More Respect for President Clinton

[footballhenry]

I must say that I am impressed with Bill Clinton since he left office. As many know I never cared for him as president, but I must say for the most part he has been very gracious and mature since leaving office. I heard his indepth interview on FOX NEWS (yea guys the extreme nazi conservative network)!! From what I have seen, read, and heard Bill Clinton and both Bush's (Dubya and H. Bush) have very good friendly relationships. Cant say the same about Carter, but Clinton has impressed me and I do have more respect for his philsophy (as he said it in the interview). He dissapproves of the extremism in the democratic party while of course having gripes about the religious right. All-in-all I must say, whether I like to or not, he makes a very very good former president....


*DISCLAIMER*This thread is not started to incite rage, offend anyone, or to 'flame' others:)

[prophet]

He is a good actor... i'll give him that
;)

[jenmdixon]

Originally posted by footballhenry
From what I have seen, read, and heard Bill Clinton and both Bush's (Dubya and H. Bush) have very good friendly relationships.

From what I have read, over time, the former and current Presidents form a bond due to the office that they held and the pressures that were unique to the position. This is not to say that they ALL form the bond - but most do. Who else on the planet would understand the pressure that they are under but someone who was in the exact same boat?

[ntotoro]

Originally posted by footballhenry
*DISCLAIMER*This thread is not started to incite rage, offend anyone, or to 'flame' others:)

Then why do you lead in with...


I heard his indepth interview on FOX NEWS (yea guys the extreme nazi conservative network)!!


From what I have seen, read, and heard Bill Clinton and both Bush's (Dubya and H. Bush) have very good friendly relationships.

You, know... it is possible for people with wildly different political views to be very good friends otherwise. Just because they are on two different sides of the fence politically doesn't mean they don't like each other very much as human beings or friends. My fiance and I are perfect examples. She has friends back home in Buffalo who are politically even farther apart than we are and enjoy a perfectly fine marriage.

Hell, as difficult as it may be physically to look at him, check out James Carville and his wife Mary Matalin. Two different viewpoints, but a successfull marriage as well as friendship.

Nick

[Fred Jones]

Clinton was not as bad as the right made him out to be. Besides his lack of moral character, which was a big issue of course, he got a lot done as president.

[RyansRangers]

I am offended and full of rage over this thread

[Riggo-toni]

The Clinton-Gingrich years 95-99 produced the best domestic policies of any government era in my lifetime. I couldn't care less about cigars and stained dresses. Unfortunately, his presidency will be forever marred by his refusal of the 98 Sudanese offer to not only hand over Bin Laden, but also files on all of Bin Laden's associates and visitors during his time in the Sudan. He was too blinded by his naive devotion to legalities and his pipedream of a peace process to recognize the need to combat terror. I've no doubt Clinton himself deeply wishes he could do that one over.

[Joe Sick]

Originally posted by Riggo-toni
The Clinton-Gingrich years 95-99 produced the best domestic policies of any government era in my lifetime. I couldn't care less about cigars and stained dresses. Unfortunately, his presidency will be forever marred by his refusal of the 98 Sudanese offer to not only hand over Bin Laden, but also files on all of Bin Laden's associates and visitors during his time in the Sudan. He was too blinded by his naive devotion to legalities and his pipedream of a peace process to recognize the need to combat terror. I've no doubt Clinton himself deeply wishes he could do that one over.

I thought the Sudanese "offer" story was debunked? And it was supposed to have happened in 1996...

"On July 20, ABC radio host Sean Hannity thrice repeated the false claim that former President Bill Clinton refused a 1996 offer from Sudan to hand Osama bin Laden over to the United States. Hannity has previously propagated this claim, for which the 9-11 Commission found "no reliable evidence to support."

"We have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200407230005

So you must be a big fan of Clinton now, since you don't have that holding you back! ;)

I think the ex-presidents just sit around and talk about golf. That something everyone can agree on. Now watch this drive!

[Thiebear]

I heard on several occasion in Clintons own voice at the speech he was giving at the time why he didnt accept the offer.. How you can debunk his own speech is beyond me for the moment.

And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again.

They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan.

Spin it any way you want but that above in yellow sure sounds to me that "HE DID NOT BRING HIM HERE" because blah blah blah..
Which means HE HAD THE CHANCE TOO....

[Matador36]

Originally posted by footballhenry
I must say that I am impressed with Bill Clinton since he left office. As many know I never cared for him as president, but I must say for the most part he has been very gracious and mature since leaving office. I heard his indepth interview on FOX NEWS (yea guys the extreme nazi conservative network)!! From what I have seen, read, and heard Bill Clinton and both Bush's (Dubya and H. Bush) have very good friendly relationships. Cant say the same about Carter, but Clinton has impressed me and I do have more respect for his philsophy (as he said it in the interview). He dissapproves of the extremism in the democratic party while of course having gripes about the religious right. All-in-all I must say, whether I like to or not, he makes a very very good former president....


*DISCLAIMER*This thread is not started to incite rage, offend anyone, or to 'flame' others:)

I thought it said: "He dissapproves of the extremeskins" :laugh:

Now that would have incited rage

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally posted by Joe Sick


I thought the Sudanese "offer" story was debunked? And it was supposed to have happened in 1996...

"On July 20, ABC radio host Sean Hannity thrice repeated the false claim that former President Bill Clinton refused a 1996 offer from Sudan to hand Osama bin Laden over to the United States. Hannity has previously propagated this claim, for which the 9-11 Commission found "no reliable evidence to support."

"We have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200407230005

So you must be a big fan of Clinton now, since you don't have that holding you back! ;)

I think the ex-presidents just sit around and talk about golf. That something everyone can agree on. Now watch this drive!

Definitley had many chances to get him

I dont feel like detailing them, but after reading Ghost Wars by Steven Coll my opinion of Clinton in forgien affairs and counter terrorism, and the many blown chances in the late 1990s to give Al Qaeda a fatal blow, because of buercratic inertia in the Clinton White House

[redman]

All I'll say is don't underestimate the desperation of the man to (re)define his legacy. I missed the interview, but any overarching philosophy that he professed in that interview was - I'm sorry- absolutely not in evidence when he was actually in office. That's part of the man's fatal flaw.

[Riggo-toni]

Originally posted by Joe Sick


I thought the Sudanese "offer" story was debunked? And it was supposed to have happened in 1996...


Well, I was watching a documentary of Bin Laden on TV last night, and they interviewed 2 people who were acting as intermediaries between the Sudanese gov't and the US to carry out the transfer. The woman involved stated that the Sudanese had compiled the names and vital intelligence info on everyone who had entered Bin Laden's compound while he was in Sudan. They were so eager to improve relations with the US, that they offered us not only Bin Laden, but all the files on his visitors. We would've had essentially a directory of every major player in Al Quaeda.
I also remember an interview on Hillary when she was asked why we turned down the Sudanese offer to hand over Bin Laden, and she said stuff like, "we didn't feel we had enough evidence to convict him...911 changed everything, etc." Never did she deny it happened, which I'm certain she would have if such an event were, as you claim, apocryphal.

[gbear]

How many of the Right would have been argueing rule of law had Clinton done what you now sugest in hindsight? Seems like a damned if you do, damned if you dont from this hindsight perspective. How many on the right would have said "No respect for rule of law in defining 'is', and no respect for rule of law grabing a man we can't convict..."

Coming from the camp that wonders how we hold people without trials in Guantanamo, I can certainly understand Clinton's reluctance to proceed without enough evidence to try/convict Osama. Last thing we need is people asking about double jeopardy later on.

[footballhenry]

Originally posted by ntotoro


Then why do you lead in with...





You, know... it is possible for people with wildly different political views to be very good friends otherwise. Just because they are on two different sides of the fence politically doesn't mean they don't like each other very much as human beings or friends. My fiance and I are perfect examples. She has friends back home in Buffalo who are politically even farther apart than we are and enjoy a perfectly fine marriage.

Hell, as difficult as it may be physically to look at him, check out James Carville and his wife Mary Matalin. Two different viewpoints, but a successfull marriage as well as friendship.

Nick

actually the nazi term to FNC was a joke (tongue in cheek) as I watch it all the time. just in case people havent noticed from my posts, i am conservative:D

oh, and just so theres no confusion, i am impressed with clinton since he LEFT office however I will never be satisfied with his performance in office, most importantly the way he handled threats and terrorism..

[ntotoro]

Originally posted by footballhenry
actually the nazi term to FNC was a joke (tongue in cheek) as I watch it all the time. just in case people havent noticed from my posts, i am conservative:D



Ahhh... my fault. Sarcasm is often easily lost on this wacky invention of Al Gore's... :laugh:

Nick

[CrazyJoe92]

Clinton is the best plus buch is a cowboys fan. dont let him fool you

[jbooma]

You do know President Clinton is still in office. I believe somewhere in NY now :D

[footballhenry]

Originally posted by jbooma
You do know President Clinton is still in office. I believe somewhere in NY now :D


haha, o yeah....as much as I dont want Hillary in the whitehouse it peaks my curiousity as to how Bill would react and handle himself

[Larry]

Originally posted by footballhenry

haha, o yeah....as much as I dont want Hillary in the whitehouse it peaks my curiousity as to how Bill would react and handle himself

I'm afraid to find out. For multiple reasons.

And I wish he'd just "handle himself".

[footballhenry]

Originally posted by Larry


I'm afraid to find out. For multiple reasons.

And I wish he'd just "handle himself".

honestly, i think im too afraid to find out as well. too many unknowns and risks for another clinton to hold the highest position in the land

[redman]

Originally posted by footballhenry
. . . too many unknowns and risks for another clinton to hold the highest position in the land Monica's arse was the highest position in the land? :confused:

[footballhenry]

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Originally posted by redman
Monica's arse was the highest position in the land? :confused:


:laugh: to some