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ujmodi
June-11th-2005, 09:55 PM
Interesting

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Paul Tagliabue has always been optimistic about his NFL Europe baby – warts and all.

Even as the overseas league bled money from the pockets of NFL owners over the last decade, Tagliabue championed it as a monumental step toward globalization. And every time the enterprise seemed a step from oblivion, the NFL commissioner shepherded it to safety at the last moment.

After World Bowl XIII this weekend – a game that essentially concludes the two-year NFL Europe extension Tagliabue brokered in 2003 – he'll once again attempt to shelter it from extinction. For those of you who believe he won't be able to save the hemorrhaging entity one more time, don't be so sure.

To the surprise of many, NFL Europe had a 19-percent spike in average attendance over last season's figures (from 15,932 per game in 2004 to 18,965 this season). That represents the largest single-season increase in the history of the lukewarm league, which has become a farm for roster trimmings that occasionally squeezes out an NFL star. But whether that will be enough to convince owners to approve yet another extension for the league remains to be seen. The NFL is expected to vote on a continuance of NFL Europe in October.

"It's too soon to project what's going to happen," said an NFL source closely tied to European football operations. "The financial issues sit with [owners]. You've got to look at what our [league] is getting out of it with development. Right now it's not a lot, [because of teams] keeping the talent home over the summer. Personally, I think the offseason work (minicamps, workouts and the specialized training) is just as beneficial, maybe more beneficial, than sending them to play in Germany. … At least when you work with players here, you know they are learning in your system.

"Unless you're talking about roster exemptions or practice squad players, it's not all it's cracked up to be. Whether that's worth the money I don't know."

The league essentially exists because of Tagliabue, who created it with visions of developing massive worldwide interest in the NFL. But since the venture began in 1991, those aspirations have been mostly a pipedream.

The league's popularity has grown slowly abroad, but beyond Germany – where five of the six current NFL Europe teams reside – franchises have been busts. Only Amsterdam has been able to keep its team afloat, and it ranked last in average league attendance this year (12,877).

All the while, NFL owners have waited patiently to see the fruits of globalization, a fortitude that seemed to have run out in 2003. Owners appeared ready to sink the league that year, but Tagliabue cobbled together exactly the 24 votes needed to get NFL Europe extended two more seasons – his second successful rescue of the league.

In the early 1990s, Tagliabue scuttled seven North American teams in NFL Europe, which was then known as the World League of American Football. The World League, which also featured franchises in the United States, looked dead when it went on a two-year hiatus in 1993. Tagliabue changed the makeup of the league, making it an all-European entity, and summoned it back to life in 1995.

Since then, the NFL has strategically played up European success stories like quarterbacks Kurt Warner, Jake Delhomme and Brad Johnson. Yet the league hasn't produced a significant "star" since Kansas City Chiefs kick returner Dante Hall played for the Scottish Claymores in 2001. Instead, Europe has become a testing ground for fringe players, many of whom land at the bottom of NFL depth charts and then slowly work their way into contributing roles. And while the league is happy to point out statistics – like the 83 former NFL Europe players on playoff rosters last season – some wonder whether similar progress can't be made working at practice facilities during the offseason.

Whatever the case, the developmental aspect of the league won't be the primary issue come October's vote. Finances will be king – specifically, whether the league can ever turn a profit.

While it's not known exactly how much the NFL loses by keeping European operations going, the deficit in 2004 was believed to have been around $20 million. Split among 32 owners, that might seem like a drop in the bucket. But considering the current arguments over revenue-sharing, it's easy to see why Tagliabue might have trouble retaining the necessary 24 votes to extend the life of the league.

One interesting twist lies in the timing of the upcoming vote. When the NFL went into Europe in 1991, some business analysts theorized the venture would take 15 to 20 years before it could develop into a success. Now the owners find themselves at a crossroads. Is this season's 19-percent attendance jump the first glint of an investment finally taking root? Or is it an aberration for a league bound to struggle for an overseas embrace, much as Major League Soccer has struggled in the U.S.?

We know how Paul Tagliabue would answer that question. In a few months, we'll find out if NFL owners agree with him.

WIND SPRINTS


We sought out some thoughts this week from an AFC scout on NFL Europe's offensive MVP – Houston Texans quarterback Dave Ragone. The former Louisville product completed almost 63-percent of his passes for 1,746 yards, 13 touchdowns and two interceptions. He was far and away the best quarterback in the league this year.
"He's got some [toughness]. That's something he hasn't been able to show [in the NFL] without the game snaps," the scout said. "He still doesn't throw down the field well enough. That's always going to be a negative about him. I can't say much about his decisions. The game speed is totally different.

"Mechanically, he doesn't have to do anything as fast as he would in the NFL. That always makes it hard to define a [NFL Europe] quarterback, because they aren't making throws against a defense that has that speed. It's not even close. … I think he's going to get a chance to start some [NFL] games but it won't be in Houston. He's never going to threaten [Texans starter] David Carr."


The NFL will hold this year's supplemental draft on July 14. The final players who have applied include USC defensive tackle Manuel Wright, Kentucky linebacker Chad Anderson and Clemson wide receiver Roscoe Crosby.
Anderson had his most productive year in 2003, when he had 125 in tackles, but he struggled last year and eventually had his time with the Wildcats curtailed by academic problems. Crosby was a freshman All-American at Clemson before he left the school to play baseball for the Kansas City Royals. None of the three players is expected to go higher than the fourth round of the supplemental draft.

Don't blame agent Drew Rosenhaus for the behavior of Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor.
Word is that Taylor has been making all of his ludicrous decisions – like blowing off Washington coach Joe Gibbs for months – on his own. That would go a long way toward explaining why Rosenhaus has refused to say anything about his client this offseason. In fact, there are rumblings that Rosenhaus has been just as perplexed by Taylor's actions as everyone else, and that he had been fervently trying to get him to talk with Gibbs – a line of communication Rosenhaus finally accomplished this week.

And kudos to the Redskins for finally suspending Taylor after his latest alleged brush with the law, in which police accused him of pulling a gun on people he believed had stolen some of his property. For all the people who scream about Kellen Winslow Jr. and Terrell Owens, Taylor has deserved to get ripped far more than them.



Showing us that he truly is a changed man, Randy Moss said this week that Kerry Collins is a better quarterback than Daunte Culpepper. That should place him in the company of whoever thought Ryan Leaf had an edge over Peyton Manning.

Kyle Turley … blah, blah, blah. Maybe he should focus on getting his next job rather than ripping St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz.

Don't be shocked that Mike Tice isn't ready to cut Onterrio Smith loose from the Minnesota Vikings. After all, he doesn't have to. With Smith out for the year, Tice has draft pick Ciatrick Fason ready to slide into Smith's spot.
Tice won't have to tinker with the running back glut of Michael Bennett, Mewelde Moore, and Moe Williams until next offseason. By then, there may be a broader trade market for a player like Bennett. And choosing Smith over Bennett one year from now would be about par for the course considering Tice's decision making.

bubba9497
June-11th-2005, 11:25 PM
For all the people who scream about Kellen Winslow Jr. and Terrell Owens, Taylor has deserved to get ripped far more than them.

being accused isn't the same as actualy being guilty...:rolleyes:

Yusuf06
June-12th-2005, 12:03 PM
Oh, and I suppose O.J. and Jacko are innocent too huh Bubba??

It wouldn't surprise me if Taylor is found innocent or if the charges are greatly reduced because that's how our justice system "works". However the fact remains that Taylor is guilty of being a headcase and may cause problems again down the road.

Blondie
June-12th-2005, 12:09 PM
Remember, in the justice system, being found "Not Guilty" is NOT the same as being innocent.

Blondie

jrfriedm
June-12th-2005, 12:23 PM
For all the people who scream about Kellen Winslow Jr. and Terrell Owens, Taylor has deserved to get ripped far more than them.

:confused: What Taylor has done is complete idiocy, and he deserves all the bad publicity he's getting, however; to say he deserves to get ripped more for a guy who doesn't know how to ride a motorcycle and does so anyways and gets him injured for the entire season and locker room cancer is just ridicules

Fred Jones
June-12th-2005, 12:25 PM
Innocent or guilty, Taylor is not acting in an appropriate manner. Hanging out with the wrong people, exposing himself to the wrong situations and displaying a lack of respect to the skins organization tells me he has some issues he needs to solve.

And Blondie, if you are jumping on the Bubba philosophy that Taylor is just misunderstood, I disagree with you as well.

As I explained to Bubba, Taylor was not just sitting on a street corner minding his own business when all the events took place. He put himself in a situation and took actions that broke the law. Whether he actually pulled the gun out, whether any shots were actually fired or whether the victims are also suspects in the theft of his two ATV's does not change that fact that he put himself in a situation he had no business being in. This article just continues to provide more information that Taylor needs to get his life together. He is obviously going down a dark path and needs some help to get back to the light. I hope he gets it.

If this article is true, I have to give Rosenhaus a little credit for finally getting Taylor to talk to Gibbs. Taylor still has a respect issue, however.

Reaganaut
June-12th-2005, 12:40 PM
Taylor is far worse than Winslow or Terrell Owens in this respect. His only chance is if he manages to pull a Ray Lewis and that is pretty unlikely. Ray has something special and Taylor doesn't have that. He's on the team, but he's not a Redskin to me. People will keep apologizing for him, but I really don't want him no matter how good a player he is. Gregg Williams doesn't need stars to make his defense work. Taylor is a distraction. I'd rather have smooty back and pierce than Taylor. As far as I'm concerned I hope they throw the book at him.

ujmodi
June-12th-2005, 07:06 PM
What I found more interesting about this article was that the notion that Rosenhaus is the driving force behind Taylor's refusal to talk to Joe Gibbs was debunked. Taylor's behavior this offseason outside of the arrest, is still bewildering to me, especially if this is true.

tex
June-12th-2005, 07:11 PM
First time hearing Taylor has been suspended.

skinsfan12
June-12th-2005, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by tex
First time hearing Taylor has been suspended.

It wasn't really a suspension. Coach has just changed ST's status from "unexcused" to "excused".

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skinsfan12
June-12th-2005, 07:24 PM
here's the WP article mentioning the "excused" absence

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060600999.html

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TheLongshot
June-12th-2005, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Reaganaut
Taylor is far worse than Winslow or Terrell Owens in this respect. His only chance is if he manages to pull a Ray Lewis and that is pretty unlikely. Ray has something special and Taylor doesn't have that. He's on the team, but he's not a Redskin to me. People will keep apologizing for him, but I really don't want him no matter how good a player he is. Gregg Williams doesn't need stars to make his defense work. Taylor is a distraction. I'd rather have smooty back and pierce than Taylor. As far as I'm concerned I hope they throw the book at him.

:doh:

Sorry, but I can't rank what Taylor has done (or not done) above Winslow, who has perhaps ruined himself as a player, and may never live up to his potential. I'm sorry, but when your livelyhood depends on your body, and you are recovering from an injury, you don't do :pooh: like that.

In the end, it looks like this is likely to blow over. It doesn't mean that Taylor's behavior will be excused or forgotten. What it does mean is that he's going to play for us this year, and hopefully, he has learned a lesson. I much rather have Sean on our team than some other team, because no matter his behavior off the field, on the field he is the real deal.

Jason

dallasfan
June-12th-2005, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by jrfriedm


:confused: What Taylor has done is complete idiocy, and he deserves all the bad publicity he's getting, however; to say he deserves to get ripped more for a guy who doesn't know how to ride a motorcycle and does so anyways and gets him injured for the entire season and locker room cancer is just ridicules

So what if Taylor is found guilty? That's a mandatory 3 year sentance.

bubba9497
June-12th-2005, 11:09 PM
I guess I need a :fortune:

because I want to know "everything" that happened, even though I wasn't there, never met him, and only read sketchy one sided details...... :rolleyes:

Fighting for old D.C.
June-12th-2005, 11:55 PM
originally posted by jrfriedm
What Taylor has done is complete idiocy, and he deserves all the bad publicity he's getting, however; to say he deserves to get ripped more for a guy who doesn't know how to ride a motorcycle and does so anyways and gets him injured for the entire season and locker room cancer is just ridicules

What Taylor did was a criminal act. He pulled a gun on someone. Last time I checked that was sort of serious stuff.

Winslow made a bad personal decision. Not at any point did he pull a deadly weapon on another human being. Same with Terell Owens.

To say that Owens and Winslow deserve to be ripped more than Taylor is just idiotic if you ask me. Taylor is the criminal, not Owens and Winslow.

Sometimes you have to take off your burgandy and gold colored glasses to see the world straight.

HailSkinz1
June-13th-2005, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by Reaganaut
Taylor is far worse than Winslow or Terrell Owens in this respect. His only chance is if he manages to pull a Ray Lewis and that is pretty unlikely. Ray has something special and Taylor doesn't have that. He's on the team, but he's not a Redskin to me. People will keep apologizing for him, but I really don't want him no matter how good a player he is. Gregg Williams doesn't need stars to make his defense work. Taylor is a distraction. I'd rather have smooty back and pierce than Taylor. As far as I'm concerned I hope they throw the book at him.

Well said! I completely agree!

H

TheLongshot
June-13th-2005, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by Fighting for old D.C.

What Taylor did was a criminal act. He pulled a gun on someone. Last time I checked that was sort of serious stuff.


And as of now, we don't have the details as to why this happened. He may have had a good reason, he might not.

In any case, he did make a dumb decision, but probably not one that will have him see a jail cell. The fact that no one was seriously hurt in this, and the fact that pro athletes get passes for this kind of stuff (right or wrong), I don't think this will end up affecting him that much.

Meanwhile, who knows if Winsow will ever play again. If he doesn't, will he be able to make something of himself, particularly since most of his life has been about football? That's also a question.

Jason

Disco Dave
June-13th-2005, 12:57 PM
Didn't Florida just passed a law awhile back that if you felt like your life was in danger that you could shoot to kill? If so, Taylor could say that his life was in jeopardy and he pulled his gun to nullify that.

fansince62
June-14th-2005, 06:52 AM
bubba is right...too many uninformed critics.......pipe down until all the facts are in.....one is given to wonder, at times, how many of our virtuous posters have themselves violated the law (say....drug laws or driving while intoxicated, for instance)......but never felt any onus for their behavior. let's see how this plays out first.

we know the facts in Winslow's case: and he is definitely sitting on the sidelines this season for very poor judgment....