The Skins could possibly Sweep the Eagles this year.

[Clinton Portis]

Yeah, I said it.

Its possible. But before anyone throws me into the fire, I want to explain my logic, short and simply.

We almost beat the Eagles last year with a 30th ranked Offense. It was a close game.
This year, if we can pull the same, or maybe even do better, I believe we can beat the Eagles in our first game. This first game is really the only game that matters.

When is the next Eagles game? Week 17? Won't the Eagles be resting all their starters? I would think so. This will make the game alot easier on us, and pretty much guaruntee a win by us.

Now I know this sounds oh so homerish, but its possible. All we have to do is when the first game against them, and if we don't MASSIVLY underacheive in week 17, we should come out with a win.

Let me throw something else in there. Weeks 15-17 are all division games!!!
So we defintily have to step it up there. But I believe we can come out of that series at least 2-1. If not 3-0. I don't see the Cowboys or Giants being real threats this season, even though we F up on the damn girls every time. :doh:

But that streak right there really makes or breaks our season. Picture if we're 7-6. (hard to picture, I know :laugh: )
We can either A) Win All Three, go 10-6.
B) Lose all 3, go 7-9 C) Lose Two But Win 1, going 8-8 D) We can win Two but lose 1, going 9-7.

Looking at that scenario, this season its almost an absolute nesscity we WIN THESE DIVISION GAMES.

HAIL TO THE SKINS! :dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck

[bubba9497]

I think it can happen

[Da_Truth]

Anything is possible :D

[Truant]

It can happen, but I'm not going to concede that the Eagles will have a first round bye locked up by week 17. Hopefully we'll be fighting for the top of the NFC East.

[GIBBS4PREZ]

I don't see the Giants or Cowgirls as threats every year but more times than not they beat us. But I do think this year we will have a 4-2 division record. Of course it's possible to win all 6 games but I feel we will split with the Girls and Eagles

[skinshog]

Originally posted by GIBBS4PREZ
I don't see the Giants or Cowgirls as threats every year but more times than not they beat us. But I do think this year we will have a 4-2 division record. Of course it's possible to win all 6 games but I feel we will split with the Girls and Eagles

This is my assesment as well. A lot of this depends on the CB play of Rodgers and the production of Ramsey. I'm excited about our division games this year because Gibbs got his feet wet last year, and this team and these coaches have a big chip on their shoulder that they are really going to want an knock off, especially in the NFC East.

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by Clinton Portis
When is the next Eagles game? Week 17? Won't the Eagles be resting all their starters? I would think so. This will make the game alot easier on us, and pretty much guaruntee a win by us.

No, it will be the Skins resting all their starters in week 17 :D

[Warhead36]

I don't want to beat the Eagles if their resting their starters because that means their already in the playoffs.

We will sweep them, and our backups will beat their starters in Week 17. ;)

[Jay Master Jay]

One game at a time every year as a true fan I think we're going 16-0 and win the super bowl. I would be happy with sweeping the Cowgirls and making the playoffs this year.

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by Warhead36
I don't want to beat the Eagles if their resting their starters because that means their already in the playoffs.

We will sweep them, and our backups will beat their starters in Week 17. ;)

oh the joy of beating the eagles to win the NFC East..... :fingersx:

[tr1]

The chances are better if TO is on the theam, but yeah, it could absolutely happen either way. Philly's O-Line is suspect on the run, and if Trotter's knee doesn't last, the defense can be had by the run.

[HeHateMe]

And Dallas can go 16-0.:D

[Hooper]

I actually like our chances against the Eagles better than our chances against the Cowboys. We seem to match up better against them, especially when Taylor is on the field -- he totally took TO out of both games.

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by Hooper
I actually like our chances against the Eagles better than our chances against the Cowboys. We seem to match up better against them, especially when Taylor is on the field -- he totally took TO out of both games.

He got into TO's head with that forearm shiver....gotta love it!

[Hooper]

Yeah. That forearm shiver is probably why TO is going to sit out this year -- dude is plain scared of the ATV Avenger.

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by HeHateMe
And Dallas can go 16-0.:D






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[Stone Cold]

we could possibly go 16-0 and win the sb or go 0-16...i could possibly be president, or possibly be the next skins starting qb.

not trying to rain on your parade, but yes, the possibilities are endless! :)

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by Hooper
ATV Avenger.

now that's funny

[Higgs44]

I would take a win vs them in wek 17 when they are resting there guys and WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!:point2sky

[truskinsfan18]

Originally posted by Stone Cold
we could possibly go 16-0 and win the sb or go 0-16...i could possibly be president, or possibly be the next skins starting qb.

not trying to rain on your parade, but yes, the possibilities are endless! :)

ACtually, dont you have to be 35 to be president?:)

[authentic]

to be honest, i love your enthusiasm regarding the Eagles but , please lets beat Dallas first... personally, my eyes are on week 2.

[fwo40]

Originally posted by authentic
to be honest, i love your enthusiasm regarding the Eagles but , please lets beat Dallas first... personally, my eyes are on week 2.

Close...but let's beat the Bears first, the optimism that has us sweeping the Eagles is proped up on the principle that long shots can happen.

Well if they can happen for us, they can certainely happen against us....

All I want right now is a week 1 win..every year we seem to get ahead of ourselves as Skins fans, and every year we get the let down.

So take em one at a time.

[trimee]

Originally posted by Hooper
Yeah. That forearm shiver is probably why TO is going to sit out this year -- dude is plain scared of the ATV Avenger. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Joey T]

Key to our season:

Barring major injuries to the starters; is the play of PR and Carlos Rodgers. I feel all the other pieces are in place. Even the return of the SMERFS:laugh: :cool:

We match up well with the igs and gmen; not well with the girlz.
If Parcells goes to a 3-4 D, maybe we have a better matchup vs. the girlz. Portis has the speed/power to run up the gut. All he needs is a slight seam, then gone............bye, bye......... :cool:

PS. If PR fails, maybe the rookie can give our O a jump start. He's mobile and accurate ala Joey T.

[MidwayMonster31]

Beat up the division and get in to the playoffs that way.

[AngusinFlorida]

Yeah, just what he said. If we can beat up the NFC East then good things will come.

[HeHateMe]

Originally posted by bubba9497







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My thoughts exactly when I read the first post. ;)

[QBkilla56]

When was the last time we beat the eagles?

[Luca Brasi]

Originally posted by QBkilla56
When was the last time we beat the eagles?

2001- Marty's year. Arrington shadowed McNabb all game. It was close, but they didn't have an answer for our D.

[Clinton Portis]

Its a new year. Forget our past 10 years. This is JOE JACKSON GIBBS era now....

We're not the same loser, doormat Skins. :eaglesuck:

Its 1-1, or 2-0. Either way Eagles we're comin for you.

[jpillian]

ATV Avenger -- classic! Bang -- I see fresh fodder. :cheers:

[Dallsux]

Originally posted by Clinton Portis
Yeah, I said it.

Its possible. But before anyone throws me into the fire, I want to explain my logic, short and simply.

We almost beat the Eagles last year with a 30th ranked Offense. It was a close game.
This year, if we can pull the same, or maybe even do better, I believe we can beat the Eagles in our first game. This first game is really the only game that matters.

When is the next Eagles game? Week 17? Won't the Eagles be resting all their starters? I would think so. This will make the game alot easier on us, and pretty much guaruntee a win by us.

Now I know this sounds oh so homerish, but its possible. All we have to do is when the first game against them, and if we don't MASSIVLY underacheive in week 17, we should come out with a win.

Let me throw something else in there. Weeks 15-17 are all division games!!!
So we defintily have to step it up there. But I believe we can come out of that series at least 2-1. If not 3-0. I don't see the Cowboys or Giants being real threats this season, even though we F up on the damn girls every time. :doh:

But that streak right there really makes or breaks our season. Picture if we're 7-6. (hard to picture, I know :laugh: )
We can either A) Win All Three, go 10-6.
B) Lose all 3, go 7-9 C) Lose Two But Win 1, going 8-8 D) We can win Two but lose 1, going 9-7.

Looking at that scenario, this season its almost an absolute nesscity we WIN THESE DIVISION GAMES.

HAIL TO THE SKINS! :dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck


Actually, I'm gonna go a step further & say that we can sweep the Division this season.

:eaglesuck The Eagles I think have seen their best seasons come & go. I don't see them resting starters at the end of next season. I think they will be scrapping for every win they can get. So, I fully expect McNothinginthetrophycase to still be playing in week 17. Now, we may be resting OUR starters, but that is highly unlikely with Gibbs. Still, we'll probably beat them both times...badly, I might add.

:dallasuck Dallas is Dallas, but having the first game in Dallas for the first time in what, a decade? should help our cause towards the end of the season. Having the 2nd Dallas game at home, when the game really matters & the 12th Man can really help support the team, should push us thru a win.

:gaintsuck The Giants? Are the Giants still in the NFL? Hmm...

;)

[jtyler42]

I think we will go 3-3 in the division possibly 4-2...

We will sweep the G-men, split w/the Cowboys and possibly split w/the Iggles we are on their heels...

[budski]

Originally posted by jtyler42
I think we will go 3-3 in the division possibly 4-2...

We will sweep the G-men, split w/the Cowboys and possibly split w/the Iggles we are on their heels...

Agree, think that everyone in the division will split the games.
Eagles could slip this year a little bit. Donot expect them to dominate as in the past. If the skins take dallas in week two they will gain alot of confidence.

[Renegade7]

Of course it's possible, but is it likely? Um, no. The Eagles just went to the super bowl, and with most of that team still intact (ya TO is coming back, don't be fooled by the contract mumbo jumbo) then no, there won't be any sweep on either side. If Ramsey keeps himself together we should split. At best, honestly, we're going to split with them. I mean, give them some credit, they're good. :2cents:

[Clinton Portis]

Well I fully agree that we'll split. I'm just saying a sweep is more likely to occur this year because our game is in week 17.

However, as many members have carefully noted, they might not do as wll next year, and maybe in week 17 they won't be resting. If their not resting, I think a split is fair enough.:eaglesuck

[SkinsFanMania]

The most important thing is the improvement of the divisional record overall.

[OWUeagleMD]

The NFL is the best league in the world because everyteam (essentially) can semi-legitimately hope for a SB in week 1. Anything can happen.

I feel objectively though, it would be more likely for the Eagles to sweep the Skins (based on recent history).

While your offense will almost certainly improve greatly from the 30th ranking last year, you can't assume the defense will pick up where it left off. I think Carlos Rogers will be a great player, and Fred Smoot was very overrated, but he is still a rookie CB. Antonio Pierce may have been the best player on the D side last year, and he is gone as well.

Do I think the Skins D will be very good again? Yes. But I also think they may have overachieved a little, suffered some losses, and may be due for a step backwards.

[nneece]

I might win the Powerball lottery too. Anything is possible. Dream on, jaded Skins fans. Let's let the season start and see what we got.

[jschlesi]

Lets beat the Cowboys before we worry about the Division Champs

[SkinsFTW]

The Redskins could do it but I expect a split with the Eagles. I will be very happy if we beat them twice and a third time in the playoffs though.

[VCorleone]

I read the optimism in this thread and wonder where it comes from.

Your quarterback situation will cause many a sleepless night in DC this next year. I don't agree with the assessment that your offensive line is stellar. As mentioned in another thread.

The WR corps is mediocre, and if Moss can't stay healthy, it drops drastically.

The defense, which seems to be a given on this site, ignores the fact that most teams didn't see your team as a powerhouse at quarterback. They load up on the running game and weather the storm defensively.

I don't believe after the first quarter of the season you guys faced a serious game plan other than to contain Portis. Which means teams played it safe during the week versus the Skins and didn't take risks.

Thus your vaunted defense is more smoke and mirrors. Just like the Cowboys vaunted defense two years ago.

While I believe your team will be scrappy, I just don't see them posting more than a half dozen wins at best.

The possibility of you sweeping the Eagles is slim. Counting on a result which would put your team in contention for a play-off spot with three games left is homerish.

Take off the burgundy glasses and name the playmakers on your team.

There is your answer.

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by VCorleone
I read the optimism in this thread and wonder where it comes from.

Your quarterback situation will cause many a sleepless night in DC this next year. I don't agree with the assessment that your offensive line is stellar. As mentioned in another thread.

The WR corps is mediocre, and if Moss can't stay healthy, it drops drastically.

The defense, which seems to be a given on this site, ignores the fact that most teams didn't see your team as a powerhouse at quarterback. They load up on the running game and weather the storm defensively.

I don't believe after the first quarter of the season you guys faced a serious game plan other than to contain Portis. Which means teams played it safe during the week versus the Skins and didn't take risks.

Thus your vaunted defense is more smoke and mirrors. Just like the Cowboys vaunted defense two years ago.

While I believe your team will be scrappy, I just don't see them posting more than a half dozen wins at best.

The possibility of you sweeping the Eagles is slim. Counting on a result which would put your team in contention for a play-off spot with three games left is homerish.

Take off the burgundy glasses and name the playmakers on your team.

There is your answer.



:laugh: you'll see

maybe you need to take off your

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/bubba9497/91ca9428.jpg

it will be an eye opening experience

[VCorleone]

If I were an Eagle fan, I might agree.

This isn't about my team. It is about the lack of top flight talent on your team.

I am a firm believer that a team has to possess a core of role players which feed off the talent of playmakers.

I look down your roster and wonder who those players might be.

Certainly Portis has a shot at that role. But his job is tied to the production of the quarterback. And I subtract the rookie and the old man as possible answers here.

That leaves Ramsey. And while I have a generally higher opinion of him than some on this board, I still believe he has two distinct problems.

One is with an iffy offensive line. I read that if the tackles are healthy, they are the best in the business. I am not surprised by this revelation, because it is so homerish. But anyone looking at Samuels and thinks he rates at the top is ignoring his lackluster efforts.

He doesn't give up sacks. At least not last year. Jansen is the better of the two. But his skill set does not pull the pair up to the apex of the league's tackle tandems.

The second issue that faces young Mr. Ramsey is the WR corps.

Dyson has 2325 yards in seven years. That's a little over 300 yards a year. Gardner has posted about 750 yards per season in his career. McCants has had four years to post a total of 687 yards.

Patten is listed on nfl.com as the starter across from Moss. He has been in the league 9 years and averages about 450 a year. He posted 800 last year with the World Champs. But he doesn't seem to possess the type of ability to cause defensive coordinators to worrry much.

Moss seems to be the one receiver who other teams should fear. He is coming off of his second best season as a pro with 838 yards. However, he was on a play-off team with Penningtoin throwing him the ball. He also had the league leader in rushing in Curtis Martin.

I wonder if he can be as effective on a team that does not possess solid play from both the runningback and quarterback position? Not that Portis cannot be greatness. But he will be the only consistent aspect to your offense. Which means another year of stacking the lines and playing to stop the run.

Your tight end position has a toal of 304 yards for their careers. Witten, of the Cowboys, had three times thatr last year alone.

Which takes us back to Ramsey. He has to play, and with confidence behind a questionable offensive line, and pass to a receiving corps that truly doesn't have a number one receiver. And almost no true pass catching from the TE position which is the outlet for the quarterback in most systems.

The taking of Campbell has to cause some sort of looking-over-the-shoulder for Ramsey. How that effects his play is anyone's guess. I think he is mentally tough as well as physically tough. But he is on an island because of the lack of real playmakers on offense your team lacks.

So looking at your schedule you have the Bears on opening day. That bodes well because I believe you guys are better than they are. However, if you cannot stop Benson, who I also think will be a terrific back in this league, it may be a long day.

But I project a win.

Your second game is on the road on Monday night at Dallas. Now I do not hold to the curse. I think each game has no link to history, and it can be won by either team. But I just don't see you winning this game. I believe that team has shorn up their defensive line and secondary. And if you can't score more than 17 points, you will not win this game.

While I read here how your guys are licking your chops to meet Bledsoe, I think he carves up your defense. Early in the season with fresh legs and arms, he will be protected enough to make the plays neccessary.

Then you get Denver and that is a loss in my books.

Then the Seahawks and you are 1-3.

You will bring yourselves back to .500 by beating both the Chiefs and 9ers.

The next five are against the Giants, Eagles, Bucs Raiders, and Chargers.

You may be one game over .500 before four straight losses. That puts you at 4-7.

Rams, Cardinals, Giants, Cowboys and Eagles wrap up your season.

You may win two of those.

Final season w/l - 6-10. If you can take two out of the last five.

This is just my opinion. It isn't worth the bandwidth it used to post this.

But it is as likely as the 2000 yards for Portis and the predictions I read here.

Maybe more so.

[bubba9497]

:rolleyes: when I have the time I'll enlighten you.

[Thiebear]

Certainly Portis has a shot at that role. But his job is tied to the production of the quarterback. And I subtract the rookie and the old man as possible answers here


His job is tied to the qb.. he had Brunel and Ramesy coming in later and was 8th overall with 1300+ yds... (30th Ranked offense)
yep... you nailed that one..

[VCorleone]

Actually I did. Because Portis couldn't lift the offense past 30th with his efforts.

Which is exactly what i said.

Thanks for the validation.

[Thiebear]

Originally posted by VCorleone
Actually I did. Because Portis couldn't lift the offense past 30th with his efforts.

Which is exactly what i said.

Thanks for the validation.

So now your changing your statement to now make it he needs to pull the offense as opposed to a superstar..
Sooo now that hes here 2 years and will be running his routes that he was comfortable with and Ramsey taking the snaps from training camp forward wont increase anything... gotcha...


I'd be happy with a spit with each team myself.... baby steps...

[VCorleone]

I suggest you reread what I said. I think Portis is a good backl. But defenses will not respect your passing game with ramsey under center and a group of #2 receivers.

Portis cannot carry the load by himself. Because you truly don't have any other weapons.

Ramsey needs tools to work with. And since he has a solid running game, if the line can open holes against 8 man fronts. he will still struggle with a poor passing game because of a questionable line play and poor receiving corps.

This is not a shot at either Portis or Ramsey.

It is the players that surround them that will fail.

Having Portis, and projecting him as a Playmaker - and I begrudgingly do that - you still need playmakers in the passing game for a young quarterback to excell.

Let's be clear on this. I like Ramsey. I sort of like Portis. But the rest of the offense isn't good enough to help that tandem to succeed.

I stand by the 6-10.

[Walking Deadman]

That's the trick isn't it......
until we get a pass game going, team will always put 8 in the box to stop Portis/Betts.

However,
if we get the pass game going some team will get seriously burned.

You suggest that we don't have a #1 WR, and I would agree with you. However, we had a #1 WR for the last 2 years and our pass game struggled.

I'm happy with what we have and we'll see if it's enough to win the 3-4 games that we should have won last year changing a 6-10 record to a 9-7 or 10-6 record.

[Walking Deadman]

Originally posted by Hooper
Yeah. That forearm shiver is probably why TO is going to sit out this year -- dude is plain scared of the ATV Avenger.

Yep, sounds like a new member of the Justice Guys......

[VCorleone]

I would factor in the rookie season of Ramsey, and the HUGE mistake of signing Brunell and forcing him to fit your system, as the culprit. Moreso than Coles not succeeding.

I think Coles is a true talent with absolutely no heart. So that, in and of itself, is one reason your number one receiver couldn't scare schoolgirls away from the ice cream truck.

But what you essentially had at quarterback, married with a porous offensive line, had as much to do with your results as anything Coles did or did not do.

I wouldn't downplay extenuating circumstances which played a much larger role in your #30 ranking than what you are suggesting.

The real bummer for you guys is that your number one draft choice next season will be lining up with Denver. So if you do end up with my predicted results, you will not gain a great deal by inserting another playmaker into either offense or defense for your team from the first round.

At some point the management of the Redskins organization needs to think longer term than just today.

That hasn;t been evident in the recent history of your franchise.

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by VCorleone
I suggest you reread what I said. I think Portis is a good backl. But defenses will not respect your passing game with ramsey under center and a group of #2 receivers.

Portis cannot carry the load by himself. Because you truly don't have any other weapons.

Ramsey needs tools to work with. And since he has a solid running game, if the line can open holes against 8 man fronts. he will still struggle with a poor passing game because of a questionable line play and poor receiving corps.

This is not a shot at either Portis or Ramsey.

It is the players that surround them that will fail.

Having Portis, and projecting him as a Playmaker - and I begrudgingly do that - you still need playmakers in the passing game for a young quarterback to excell.

Let's be clear on this. I like Ramsey. I sort of like Portis. But the rest of the offense isn't good enough to help that tandem to succeed.

I stand by the 6-10.

How quickly Dallas fans forget about the Patriots. Quick....name the #1 receiver on that squad! Deon Branch, you say? Quick...how many games did he play last year!

Oh, but next you'll say that Patrick Ramsey is no Tom Brady. And yes, I agree with you. But I for one think he is going to surprise a lot of people this season. Nobody thought Drew Brees was going to produce the way he did this past season. Nobody. Not saying Patrick is going to do the same thing, just saying you cannot predict it either way. Plus, with Patrick in as the starter, the points per game was 20.4. That is +5 from the season average. Now, with Pat solidified as the starter, plus speedier receivers, plus Jansen returning and a new Center, and one year for Gibbs to rework the offense, you really think its going to be as bad as last year? If so, you're a troll or just have an inability to process information logically.

Not to mention Gibbs is adding stretch plays for Portis which, in case you aren't familiar, are the type of plays he ran in Denver when he averaged 1500+ yards a season. And if 1315 yards is his worst season as a Redskin, hey, I'll be happy with that.

Your argument about the defense being smoke and mirrors is foolish, and sheds light on your trollish nature. Teams were "playing it safe" on offense to just "weather the storm"? Please. That is the most ridiculous football "related" comment I've ever heard in my entire life. Gregg Williams proved last year that he can take any group of players and turn them into a top 5 defense. He did in Tennessee, he did it in Buffalo, and he did it here. And he'll do it again this year. Did you know, week 17 against the Vikings, 3 of 11 opening-day starters were on the field? And they still maintained the #1 NFC defensive ranking. Yeah, smoke and mirrors. Right.

As far as Bledsoe is concerned, dude is a statue. He is going to be sacked so many times against the Skins I have a hard time imagining that he is going to do any carving. And when he does throw, he'll constantly be worried about the sack which will lead to interceptions, the same thing that happened to Vinny last year. Except that this year, the Skins will have an offense. And remember (there are video clips here (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95567) if you don't remember) that even with our putrid offense, the referees won the game for Dallas in the first matchup. So, I'll even guarantee that the streak is over week 2. Like to put a donation on it? I already have. (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97522&perpage=15&display=&pagenumber=10)

:dallasuck

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by VCorleone
I would factor in the rookie season of Ramsey, and the HUGE mistake of signing Brunell and forcing him to fit your system, as the culprit. Moreso than Coles not succeeding.

I think Coles is a true talent with absolutely no heart. So that, in and of itself, is one reason your number one receiver couldn't scare schoolgirls away from the ice cream truck.

But what you essentially had at quarterback, married with a porous offensive line, had as much to do with your results as anything Coles did or did not do.


Actually, Coles is a true-talent with a bum toe. His toe has needed surgery for two seasons now, and he is not the same receiver with the injury. He refused to get surgery with the skins, and it was obvious that he had lost a step this season. He caught the ball 90 times! He just didn't have the breakaway speed to get anything done.

And you mention the "pourous" offensive line. Well, the biggest problem last year was the center position. Guess what the very first offseason move by Gibbs was....Casey Rabach from the Ravens! Whether or not he's going to be able to shore up the position remains to be seen, but he definitely filled in admirably for the Ravens last season, and Lewis didn't skip a beat.


I wouldn't downplay extenuating circumstances which played a much larger role in your #30 ranking than what you are suggesting.

The real bummer for you guys is that your number one draft choice next season will be lining up with Denver. So if you do end up with my predicted results, you will not gain a great deal by inserting another playmaker into either offense or defense for your team from the first round.

At some point the management of the Redskins organization needs to think longer term than just today.

That hasn;t been evident in the recent history of your franchise.

Ahhh...hello, the drafting of Jason Campbell was a move focusing on the long term. You're insane if you think he's going to start this season. As far as draft picks, lets review. Last season, the Skins had 15 UDFA's, all of whom contributed in some way, one of whom was signed away by the Giants, because he performed so well. Are number one pick in 2001, Rod Gardner, has chronically underachieved. Our number one pick in 2002, Ramsey, has shown signs of brilliance, but this year is the real test for him, 2003 no first rounder, 2004 Sean Taylor who is off allegedly pointing guns at people. And most of those UDFA's are on defense, and its ranking was #3 in the NFL. I think we're okay with that. Don't forget Garnell Wilds, an UDFA who covered Randy Moss way better than either of the Dallas starting CBs did!

But hey; you're entitled to your opinion. But why don't you put your money where your mouth is? (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97522&perpage=15&display=&pagenumber=10)

[VCorleone]

I don't recall ever suggesting Campbell was going to even see the field this season. So your acrimony is misplaced, as is your accusation.

The real problem is Campbell is three years away from addressing a need your team, has today.

And there is a strong chance he doesn't even play the position that needs addressing.

You haven't got a starting defensive lineman that can manufacture sacks on a consistent basis.

If glaring needs were actually addressed beyond the cornerback you chose, a defensive lineman and a guard would have been my choices.

Not wasting a pick, and mortgaging the future on a player who won't be productive for three seasons.

And while I will suggest Gibbs is looking with one eye toward the future. The cap ramifications along with your #1 choice next year going to Denver is a mighty steep price to pay for three years down the line.

You need help now. Sound help that is replacing worn-out pieces and overpriced pieces with rookies who will play for several years before asking for the world.

Not signing high priced FA that will eventually be cut. The day is coming, and it is just around the bend when you will be forced to play players who should be back-ups as starters.

I know you will call this theory inaccurate. But you are feeling the pinch already.

It's more than drafting Campbell that I am speaking about when commenting on the future. You need the rookies that will be the core of your franchise to be drafted now. play now at a price you can afford now. Not trade away an almost certain top pick for a guy that will not break a sweat on gameday unless he stands in the sun.

But I bet you knew that.

And as for the gauntlet you tossed.

Betting doesn't prove anything other than one person was lucky and the other foolish.


You hold on to your money. Unlike your franchise.

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by VCorleone
I don't recall ever suggesting Campbell was going to even see the field this season. So your acrimony is misplaced, as is your accusation.

The real problem is Campbell is three years away from addressing a need your team, has today.

And there is a strong chance he doesn't even play the position that needs addressing.

Okay, wait, you just posted that the organization needs to start thinking for the long term, and now you're talking about addressing needs today? Get your argument straight man!


You haven't got a starting defensive lineman that can manufacture sacks on a consistent basis.

If glaring needs were actually addressed beyond the cornerback you chose, a defensive lineman and a guard would have been my choices.

Well shoot....we're talking to a bonafide GM here fellas! Good to know your opinion on the subject, because obviously you have all the answers :doh: . CB was the most glaring need with Smoot's departure. There are several young DE's on the roster that are going to shock people this year, mark my words. Remember these names: Chris Clemons and Demetric Evans. And remember to stop by during the season so I can give you a nice "I told you so." Gregg Williams is one of the best defensive minds in the game today; I trust his opinion a lot more than my own and definitely a lot more than yours. As far as guard, Randy Thomas is solid if not spectacular, and Derrick Dockery has improved every season he's played. The true weakness of our line was at the center position, not the guard position as you suggest.


And while I will suggest Gibbs is looking with one eye toward the future. The cap ramifications along with your #1 choice next year going to Denver is a mighty steep price to pay for three years down the line.

You need help now. Sound help that is replacing worn-out pieces and overpriced pieces with rookies who will play for several years before asking for the world.

Not signing high priced FA that will eventually be cut. The day is coming, and it is just around the bend when you will be forced to play players who should be back-ups as starters.

In case you hadn't noticed, which obviously you haven't :doh: , the Skins have done the exact opposite this offseason; they've refrained from signing the aged, high-price FAs that you speak of. Which by the way, your beloved Cowturds seem to be stockpiling all of a sudden. Bledsoe is 33, Keyshawn is 33, Ferguson is 30, Glenn is 33, and Rivera is 33. Who is signing all the aged, overpriced free-agents again? Not to mention Dallas invested a whole lot of money into Anthony Henry, an unproven CB at best.


I know you will call this theory inaccurate. But you are feeling the pinch already.

It's more than drafting Campbell that I am speaking about when commenting on the future. You need the rookies that will be the core of your franchise to be drafted now. play now at a price you can afford now. Not trade away an almost certain top pick for a guy that will not break a sweat on gameday unless he stands in the sun.

But I bet you knew that.

And as for the gauntlet you tossed.

Betting doesn't prove anything other than one person was lucky and the other foolish.


You hold on to your money. Unlike your franchise.

As far as the foundation, read my previous post again. We had 15 UDFA's on the roster last season, all of whom contributed. Antonio Pierce was an UDFA. The Cowboys just went out and did the same thing the Skins used to do. What about their core, huh? Care to comment?

As far as your theory.....all I can say is that I'm glad you aren't in charge of who wins and loses football games. Just make sure to come back around midseason when the cowboys are 2-6 and the Skins are around 5-3, 6-2.

And are you saying that you are either lucky or foolish? I'm saying you are foolish; and I'm willing to back it up.

[TCR]

Originally posted by jrockster77


How quickly Dallas fans forget about the Patriots. Quick....name the #1 receiver on that squad! Deon Branch, you say? Quick...how many games did he play last year!

Oh, but next you'll say that Patrick Ramsey is no Tom Brady. And yes, I agree with you. But I for one think he is going to surprise a lot of people this season. Nobody thought Drew Brees was going to produce the way he did this past season. Nobody. Not saying Patrick is going to do the same thing, just saying you [b]cannot predict it either way. Plus, with Patrick in as the starter, the points per game was 20.4. That is +5 from the season average. Now, with Pat solidified as the starter, plus speedier receivers, plus Jansen returning and a new Center, and one year for Gibbs to rework the offense, you really think its going to be as bad as last year? If so, you're a troll or just have an inability to process information logically.

First of all it's not just about Brady being that good (IMO, is not even as good as his hype), it's the Patriots' OL that enables him to do what he does (personnel and scheme). You are putting a lot of stock in a guy that suffered one of the worst injuries a big man can suffer (Jansen's achilles rupture). If he struggles or suffers a set back (which is a distinct possibility) who do you have behind him (on the depth chart)? The same thing with Brees, the Chargers have one of the best OL's in the league. I'll admit that you guys have some good starters on that line, but what about depth?


Not to mention Gibbs is adding stretch plays for Portis which, in case you aren't familiar, are the type of plays he ran in Denver when he averaged 1500+ yards a season. And if 1315 yards is his worst season as a Redskin, hey, I'll be happy with that.

In case you did not notice the defenses he faced in Denver pretty much BLEW. Plus with teams moving to the 3-4, stretch plays will be run down by the linebackers. The best way too run against the 3-4 is up the middle.


Your argument about the defense being smoke and mirrors is foolish, and sheds light on your trollish nature. Teams were "playing it safe" on offense to just "weather the storm"? Please. That is the most ridiculous football "related" comment I've ever heard in my entire life. Gregg Williams proved last year that he can take any group of players and turn them into a top 5 defense. He did in Tennessee, he did it in Buffalo, and he did it here. And he'll do it again this year. Did you know, week 17 against the Vikings, 3 of 11 opening-day starters were on the field? And they still maintained the #1 NFC defensive ranking. Yeah, smoke and mirrors. Right.

Parcells also knows a thing or two about defenses, and look what happened when teams exposed our lack of talent last year. This year teams are going to know what to expect from Williams as he has basically the same squad. Also, if teams really do not respect your offense they are not going to open up their playbook, they are going to do what needs to be done to win the game (which essentially skews the statistics). They will play conservative ball and let their defense essentially win the game.


As far as Bledsoe is concerned, dude is a statue. He is going to be sacked so many times against the Skins I have a hard time imagining that he is going to do any carving. And when he does throw, he'll constantly be worried about the sack which will lead to interceptions, the same thing that happened to Vinny last year.

Any team that has Patrick Ramsey as their QB has absolutely no right to throw stones at other teams concerning quarterback mobility! In a foot race, neither of our quarterbacks could outrun a turtle... seriously!

Another thing, do not underestimate our OL this year. Not only do we have a good group of starters (save RT), including 3 Pro Bowlers, but we've also got some quality depth along the line. Plus we will be getting back Dan Campbell, one of the best blocking TE's in the league.



Except that this year, the Skins will have an offense.

You hope. Your starting QB has never played a snap of official football with either of his 2 top receivers.

Will your offense be improved this year? I'd say yes, but do what degree will take time to play out. Saying your offense is going to break out this year is a tad premature IMO.


And remember (there are video clips here (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95567) if you don't remember) that even with our putrid offense, the referees won the game for Dallas in the first matchup.

I've just got one thing to say about that...:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[lionel]

Originally posted by VCorleone
I don't recall ever suggesting Campbell was going to even see the field this season. So your acrimony is misplaced, as is your accusation.

The real problem is Campbell is three years away from addressing a need your team, has today.


Your post has a buss**** logic in it.

Previously you strongly claimed Redskins' management does not care about future. This claim strongly implied and suggested that the Campbell pick is for today, for this season. The accusation to you is well justified and true.

The real truth is: your have a different view of the future for skins from the Redskins front office, and you think you are smarter than them. The front office does care about the future for the skins that why they took Campbell. Your false claim does not have any support. I am not against any cowgirl fans coming here to design the future for the redskins, but not in the way you did here.

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by TCR
Parcells also knows a thing or two about defenses, and look what happened when teams exposed our lack of talent last year. This year teams are going to know what to expect from Williams as he has basically the same squad. Also, if teams really do not respect your offense they are not going to open up their playbook, they are going to do what needs to be done to win the game (which essentially skews the statistics). They will play conservative ball and let their defense essentially win the game.

The one thing I have to say about this is that because of the defense the Redskins were in a lot of games last year. And it wasn't because of a vanilla playbook or anything like that. Was Dallas doing "simply what it took" in the last few seconds of the week 16 victory? Hell no, they opened up and were firing bombs! That loss is squarely on the shoulders of the offense, who couldn't get a first down to save their lives. As far as the first loss, watch the clips again. The camera doesn't lie.




Any team that has Patrick Ramsey as their QB has absolutely no right to throw stones at other teams concerning quarterback mobility! In a foot race, neither of our quarterbacks could outrun a turtle... seriously!

Hey, I never said Patrick Ramsey was Steve Young. He is lead-footed to be sure, and has a tendency to hold onto the ball a bit too long, similar to Bledsoe. I was referring to the fact that Washington has a blitz-happy defense, and Bledsoe will probably be eating a lot of turf in week 2. That's all I'm saying. You can agree or disagree, its up to you.


Another thing, do not underestimate our OL this year. Not only do we have a good group of starters (save RT), including 3 Pro Bowlers, but we've also got some quality depth along the line. Plus we will be getting back Dan Campbell, one of the best blocking TE's in the league.

Well, Flozell Adams is an average to solid left tackle (certainly no better than Samuels), Rivera is 33 and health has got to be a question for an olineman that old, Larry Allen is still a force, but his days have got to be numbered. Plus he's had pretty chronic injuries the past few seasons, hasn't he? Who is the 3rd pro-bowler besides Rivera and Allen?


You hope. Your starting QB has never played a snap of official football with either of his 2 top receivers.

Will your offense be improved this year? I'd say yes, but do what degree will take time to play out. Saying your offense is going to break out this year is a tad premature IMO.

It is premature, but it is not totally baseless. I (among many others here) have pointed out the statistical differences in offense over the first 8 games and the last 8 games. I'm not going to repeat them again, but they show a definite improvement. What that says to me is that Gibbs was adjusting his schemes, and Ramsey solidified the QB position. Plus, in interviews Gibbs and Portis have said that he averaged 5 yards a carry when they ran the stretch plays more often. The Chicago game is a good indicator. He ripped off like 6 or 7 15-17 yard runs. And also keep in mind Ramsey does not have to be Peyton Manning for the Skins to have succes. He just needs to be a solid starter and not make stupid mistakes. Plus, while no one other than Skins fans respect him as much as we do, Joe Gibbs is a winner, and will bring this franchise back into prominence. Mark my words!


I've just got one thing to say about that...:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hey, its over. But seriously, check out the clips again and tell me I'm wrong.

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by VCorleone
I read the optimism in this thread and wonder where it comes from.

Your quarterback situation will cause many a sleepless night in DC this next year. I don't agree with the assessment that your offensive line is stellar. As mentioned in another thread.

Hardly, People seem to forget Ramsey's season under Spurrier before getting hurt was pretty darn good... it wasn't production but the lack of protection that did him in... a problem not going to happen under Gibbs. Ramsey's forte is the deep pass, with the over all upgrade of speed at the WR position is playing into his strengths.


Originally posted by VCorleone

The WR corps is mediocre, and if Moss can't stay healthy, it drops drastically.

Last season The Skins were playing without any real receiving threat Coles went from a blazer to a possession wr due to his toe injury, Gardner was a waste, he dropped more than he caught, and over 55% of his catches happened in just two games... he was a ghost the rest of the season.

Also you going to see a influx of talent from Jacobs, who last season was basically a rookie learning the system and didn't play any offense until the last few games, you have Cooley who should make a huge jump at H-Back after a stellar rookie season (37 catches, 6TD's) and will also be aided by the WR speed. Royal was getting some passes at the end of the year and also should contribute more this season... though TE is not a big ball catching position under Gibbs. If Dyson can make the team and regain some of his ability from 3 years ago.... that is just gravy.



Originally posted by VCorleone

The defense, which seems to be a given on this site, ignores the fact that most teams didn't see your team as a powerhouse at quarterback. They load up on the running game and weather the storm defensively.


Yeah and the Skins still got over 1300 yards from Portis (in 15 games), and Betts had a big game against the Vikes at the end of the year... fighting for a playoff spot. If the passing game improves even a little (and it will more than that) Portis may see some record breaking numbers in the Skins record book.

Plus the best run blocker on the team Jansen, is healthy and we upgraded the weakest link at center with Rasbach... The Skins have three guys who can easily go to the pro bowl in Jansen, Thomas, and Samuels... Dockery has talent, and should improve with Rasbach on his right.


Originally posted by VCorleone

I don't believe after the first quarter of the season you guys faced a serious game plan other than to contain Portis. Which means teams played it safe during the week versus the Skins and didn't take risks.

Thus your vaunted defense is more smoke and mirrors. Just like the Cowboys vaunted defense two years ago.

That is utter nonsense, The Skins faced several teams still in the playoffs races, and as well as division foes with pride on the line.

The defense, was good scheme and coaching... not smoke and mirrors.. They lead the league in fewest points given up, and finished #3 overall, #1 in the NFC with many of the starters out much of the the year. So not only will we have guys like Lavar, Daniels, Barrow, Bowen, Lott all coming back, we have probably the best seasoned backups in the NFC and confidence in their ability.




Originally posted by VCorleone

While I believe your team will be scrappy, I just don't see them posting more than a half dozen wins at best.

The possibility of you sweeping the Eagles is slim. Counting on a result which would put your team in contention for a play-off spot with three games left is homerish.

Take off the burgundy glasses and name the playmakers on your team.

There is your answer.

Again it's not us with the blinders on..We could have ... should have beaten the Eagles in DC, and the first game was not the blowout the score indicated, it was 7-6 in the 4th when the Skins offense got a ton of penalties, and missed a couple scoring opportunities, and then the Eagles got a big PI to open up the lead in the fourth.

If the Skins offense added just 6 pts a game avg. last season (not an impossible goal) we would have finished in the playoffs. Not to mention 4 games altered by questionable calls that lead to major points being added or subtracted from the scoreboard... that doesn't happen very often... much less 4 times in the same season..... We have improved in the areas we where lacking, and have the same defense, almost with many starters returning off IR....

Play makers? It all begins up front and we improved easily with Jansen returning and Rasbach, You have Portis, and Betts, WR Moss, Jacobs, Patten, Cooley at H-Back

And Ramsey will be just fine

Who wouldn't be optimistic

[jrockster21]

Hey Bubba -- why do you keep calling Rabach Rasbach??

Great post, by the way. I think he tucked his tail and ran though, because he got

:owned:

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

ramsey actually is just mobile enough. He sometimes takes the wrong angles in his moves, but anyone who saw him against NYG run around the backfield until completing a 2 pt conversion to McCants OR watched him scramble against NYJ OR watched him even last year run by a free safety knows he can run a little bit.

He is WAY more mobile than Drew Bledsoe. Ramsey can actually, ROLL OUT. Bledsoe is pocket-bound.

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin
ramsey actually is just mobile enough. He sometimes takes the wrong angles in his moves, but anyone who saw him against NYG run around the backfield until completing a 2 pt conversion to McCants OR watched him scramble against NYJ OR watched him even last year run by a free safety knows he can run a little bit.

He is WAY more mobile than Drew Bledsoe. Ramsey can actually, ROLL OUT. Bledsoe is pocket-bound.

Yeah, I remember that game-saving scramble in the 4th quarter against the Jets. It was opening day 03, right? Good stuff. I wouldn't call Ramsey mobile, but he can get it going when he has to. Bledsoe is a statue, especially when compared to the speed today's guys have.

[VCorleone]

Originally posted by jrockster77


Okay, wait, you just posted that the organization needs to start thinking for the long term, and now you're talking about addressing needs today? Get your argument straight man!

I believe my comments are about not taking a QB and trading away your first round pick next year. If you follow the logic, you will not see Campbell on the field his rookie season unless the unthinkable happens.

While you may make the claim that Gibbs is thinking about the future with Campbell, he is also sacrificing the future with moving a first round pick and wasting another first round pick.

Your team has been comprised with FA at the sacrifice of draft picks. You now have again moved out picks that are at the top of the round to bring in a player that will not be a foundation player this year or the next.

My argument is straight. Thanks.


Well shoot....we're talking to a bonafide GM here fellas! Good to know your opinion on the subject, because obviously you have all the answers :doh: . CB was the most glaring need with Smoot's departure. There are several young DE's on the roster that are going to shock people this year, mark my words. Remember these names: Chris Clemons and Demetric Evans. And remember to stop by during the season so I can give you a nice "I told you so." Gregg Williams is one of the best defensive minds in the game today; I trust his opinion a lot more than my own and definitely a lot more than yours. As far as guard, Randy Thomas is solid if not spectacular, and Derrick Dockery has improved every season he's played. The true weakness of our line was at the center position, not the guard position as you suggest.

So I will ignore the acrimony here and point straight to something you obviously missed.

Now this is what I said. Notice the bolded area.


If glaring needs were actually addressed beyond the cornerback you chose, a defensive lineman and a guard would have been my choices.

Note that I said beyond. In this sentence it means I agree with the selection. But I would not have taken a QB, but concentrated on linemen on both sides of the ball.

And I find your rebuttal a bit confusing when you use words like...solid but not spectacular and has improved every season he's played which are code words for not there yet to me.

By the way, you said
There are several young DE's on the roster that are going to shock people this year, mark my words.

Interesting your opinions are the only ones worth a hang here. And that your unheralded defensive linemen will shock some people.

To me this is another code phrase for...I can't really substantiate this, but am tossing it out anyway.

And earlier...


Good to know your opinion on the subject, because obviously you have all the answers

But if you would have taken the time to read all my posts in this thread, you would have come across this.


This is just my opinion. It isn't worth the bandwidth it used to post this.

So your assertion that I feel I have the answers is bogus. I am stating my opinion why I think your team will again be an also-ran.


In case you hadn't noticed, which obviously you haven't :doh: , the Skins have done the exact opposite this offseason; they've refrained from signing the aged, high-price FAs that you speak of. Which by the way, your beloved Cowturds seem to be stockpiling all of a sudden. Bledsoe is 33, Keyshawn is 33, Ferguson is 30, Glenn is 33, and Rivera is 33. Who is signing all the aged, overpriced free-agents again? Not to mention Dallas invested a whole lot of money into Anthony Henry, an unproven CB at best.[\Quote]

I always love coming to this site and debating football with folks like you. The insults fly hot and heavy because...well, I am not sure why you feel the need.

I digress.

You are tossing around the draft picks which will help you overcome the cap problems you will have. You are feeling those problems this season and next year is when you guys will really be in the soup.

I know, you have it nutted. You guys have the cap all figured out. But spending like there was no tomorrow, then trading away top picks will not get you back to the play-offs.

Something tells me you will ignore this part, or make one of the pattened King's X comments, which means you have your fingers crossed it won't happen.

But every move this off-season indicates the Redskins cap inflexibility. You are dumping players and salaries and not replacing these people with youth.

It's your ship. I am only responding to the arguments here.

[Quote]As far as the foundation, read my previous post again. We had 15 UDFA's on the roster last season, all of whom contributed. Antonio Pierce was an UDFA. The Cowboys just went out and did the same thing the Skins used to do. What about their core, huh? Care to comment?

Love to. We have added age. But for every old guy we signed, we also added a rookie or young player.

Bledsoe, Rivera, Ferguson, Allen, Johnson, Glenn, Glenn, Glover are all older players. I suspect Allen and Rivera, as well as Ferguson and Glover to still have productive years after another couple of season.

But the only real chance this team is taking is on Rivera and Ferguson. Because of signing bonuses.

Aaron Glenn was structured on a one year deal. So worst case scenario is he walks after this season or is injured and we eat his salary this year.

Allen, Johnson, Terry Glenn, and Glover are all close to the ends of their contracts and thus don't cost us a great deal. If they fall, we don't eat cap.

However, we added Ware, Spears and Canty to the defensive line.

Pettitti to the offensive line. And are getting back Rogers, a rookie offensive linemen from last year, as well as Peterman from the same draft.

We added Berauilt and Kevin Burnett. A safety and Linebacker who will be a factor in this teams future.

Barber, a runningback with much potential. And Ratliff, another DT.

We also added henry to the secondary. A fifth year player.

We addressed needs with youth.

So while you accurately point out that the Cowboys have played in the older market. What you neglected to mention was the 8 draft choices we had. And some youth we added through free agency. Some think we came away with four players with first round talent. It remains to be seen.

But you can bet dollars to donuts that any member on this board would swap our free agency and draft for yours straight up right now.


As far as your theory.....all I can say is that I'm glad you aren't in charge of who wins and loses football games. Just make sure to come back around midseason when the cowboys are 2-6 and the Skins are around 5-3, 6-2.

And are you saying that you are either lucky or foolish? I'm saying you are foolish; and I'm willing to back it up.

I stopped being foolish when I hit the ground in Vietnam, my friend. Making a bet doesn't mean you have balls or a lick of sense. It merely means you are chest thumping on the internet.

And while your prediction has as much chance to be reality as mine. Looking at the rosters and seeing what you have versus us surely looks like we are moving in the right direction.

I suspect we will be 5-3 at the turn with the possibility of 6-2. I don't believe the Chargers have a defense that is a world beater.
Abnd that is the swing game here. I suspect a loss to the Eagles, Oakland, and possibly San Diego.

That means we beat NY, Wash, Seattle, Az, San Fran.

I also predict wins over Detroit, Denver, NY, Kansas City, Carolina, and St Louis.

That is 11-5.

But as a consolation, we lose in your house.

This is all predicated on health, by the way.

[bubba9497]

That is 11-5.

:thud: you're joking ......right?



:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[VCorleone]

Not at all. Fact is I suspect this schedule to be cake.

As of this date.

I believe in Dallas, your team will still be trying to find its sea legs. Win.

San Fran will be a walk. They undoubtedly will be the worst team in all of pro football. Win.

I think Eli will not be the golden boy this season for the Giants. Not yet. And I am not sure I buy into him ever being greatness. Win.

We play at seattle. But they don't really do anything for me. They are one bad season away from Homgren being ousted. Win.

Az will be tougher than people suspect. But we will beat them. Win.

That is five wins in the first half of the season. We have a bye the next week.

Detroit is on a short week, but they haven't put it together yet. Our house, our game. Win

Then Denver on Thanksgiving. This could go either way. But denver will be coming off a home gane against the Jets. I think that factors in. Again, our house, our game. Win.

At the Giants. We have 11 days to prepare. Win.

Kansas City did nothing to fix their porous defense. Win.

At Carolina. This might be tough. But I think we are on the stretch run and need this more than they will. Win.

Rams. They are old and they will be out of the play-off race by this time. Win.

So the swing games come down to this.

San Diego. We have a shot, but they are pretty good. I counted it as a loss, but it could be a win.

Denver. I gave us the win but it could be a loss as well. But they are in our stadium on a very short week.

Carolina. I suspect this game will be very tight. But I wouldn't be much of a fan if I didn't believe in our team.

health dictates everything here.

If we are healthy this time of year we could end up 12-4.

A major turnaround. I don't believe the team can do that. But who knows.

Bledsoe is the key here. He stays upright and healthy and uses his head, anything is possible.

Including 9-7.

[bubba9497]

The problem with your logic (:rolleyes: ) is it is YOUR team that will be needing to find it's sealegs.

You have made some wholesale changes on both offense and defense, and are relying on some OLD veterans to contribute at previous levels... not easy to do especially in a new system right off the bat.

Your defense is going to a 3-4 and is much different than what most of your players are used too... so there will be some adjustment period to get the flow naturally. Plus you will be expecting rookies to contribute on D....on a new scheme, so it's not like one rookie coming in on a veteran, seasoned defense... but 3 or 4 rookies coming in on a new defense that was pretty weak last season.

On offense you have Bledsoe, who has a great arm when he has time.... but your line is not that good anymore... and is getting older by the minute. Your big addition is a 33 year old guard who's play has slipped the past couple years, and had back surgery recently... not a great sign. Plus veteran QB's coming in starting on a new team don't have a great deal of success right away. Add the fact that your starting WRs that are closer to getting social security than TD's. You do have talent in Witten (best TE in the NFC in my opinion) and a good RB with Jones... but if the passing game struggles... and it will the first part of the season... Defenses will stack the line.

You'll probably get better as the year goes on.. but the first half of the season is going to be long & difficult. I don't think you'll be 0-8 but I wouldn't be surprised if you start out with only a win or two the first 8-9 games.

Plus The eagles defense will still be pretty good, as well the Skins (and who should be improved overall) and the Giants far from a playoff threat, still will play tough against Parcels.

If the ball bounces like for us last year and you do not get some calls, or breaks or have some key injuries.. you may finish below last season... but I see 6-10 to 8-8 for the boys.


Sep 11 @San Diego 4:15pm - loss
Sep 19 Washington 9:00pm - loss
Sep 25 @San Francisco 4:05pm - win
Oct 2 @Oakland 4:15pm - loss
Oct 9 Philadelphia 4:15pm - loss
Oct 16 N.Y. Giants 1:00pm - win
Oct 23 @Seattle 4:05pm - loss
Oct 30 Arizona 1:00pm - loss
Week 9 BYE
Nov 14 @Philadelphia 9:00pm - loss
Nov 20 Detroit 1:00pm - win
Nov 24 Denver 4:15pm - loss
Dec 4 @N.Y. Giants 1:00pm - toss up
Dec 11 Kansas City 4:15pm - loss
Dec 18 @Washington 1:00pm - loss
Dec 24 @Carolina 1:00pm - loss
Jan 1 St. Louis 8:30pm - toss up


3-13 to 5-11.... may get some luck and get one or two luck wins (like last season) and go 7-9

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by bubba9497
The problem with your logic (:rolleyes: ) is it is YOUR team that will be needing to find it's sealegs.

You have made some wholesale changes on both offense and defense, and are relying on some OLD veterans to contribute at previous levels... not easy to do especially in a new system right off the bat.

Your defense is going to a 3-4 and is much different than what most of your players are used too... so there will be some adjustment period to get the flow naturally. Plus you will be expecting rookies to contribute on D....on a new scheme, so it's not like one rookie coming in on a veteran, seasoned defense... but 3 or 4 rookies coming in on a new defense that was pretty weak last season.

On offense you have Bledsoe, who has a great arm when he has time.... but your line is not that good anymore... and is getting older by the minute. Your big addition is a 33 year old guard who's play has slipped the past couple years, and had back surgery recently... not a great sign. Plus veteran QB's coming in starting on a new team don't have a great deal of success right away. Add the fact that your starting WRs that are closer to getting social security than TD's. You do have talent in Witten (best TE in the NFC in my opinion) and a good RB with Jones... but if the passing game struggles... and it will the first part of the season... Defenses will stack the line.

You'll probably get better as the year goes on.. but the first half of the season is going to be long & difficult. I don't think you'll be 0-8 but I wouldn't be surprised if you start out with only a win or two the first 8-9 games.

Plus The eagles defense will still be pretty good, as well the Skins (and who should be improved overall) and the Giants far from a playoff threat, still will play tough against Parcels.

If the ball bounces like for us last year and you do not get some calls, or breaks or have some key injuries.. you may finish below last season... but I see 6-10 to 8-8 for the boys.


Sep 11 @San Diego 4:15pm - loss
Sep 19 Washington 9:00pm - loss
Sep 25 @San Francisco 4:05pm - win
Oct 2 @Oakland 4:15pm - loss
Oct 9 Philadelphia 4:15pm - loss
Oct 16 N.Y. Giants 1:00pm - win
Oct 23 @Seattle 4:05pm - loss
Oct 30 Arizona 1:00pm - loss
Week 9 BYE
Nov 14 @Philadelphia 9:00pm - loss
Nov 20 Detroit 1:00pm - win
Nov 24 Denver 4:15pm - loss
Dec 4 @N.Y. Giants 1:00pm - toss up
Dec 11 Kansas City 4:15pm - loss
Dec 18 @Washington 1:00pm - loss
Dec 24 @Carolina 1:00pm - loss
Jan 1 St. Louis 8:30pm - toss up


3-13 to 5-11.... may get some luck and get one or two luck wins (like last season) and go 7-9

O.K. I think I get it..... The Skins will dominate and sweep the Boys "this year."...... "This time" you'll have it together and be ready for us. Furthermore, the Boys will suck this year and the Redskins (who've improved significantly in all three phases) will be great under Gibbs second year!? The Redskins are improving while the Boys are on the downfall!? Does that pretty much sum it up Bubba? We will win 3 games this year vs. NYG, SF, and Detroit? Good stuff Bubba-- @least your consistent! :cheers:

[Cycopath]

Originally posted by Hooper
Yeah. That forearm shiver is probably why TO is going to sit out this year -- dude is plain scared of the ATV Avenger.

i don't know why we are so sure taylor will be on the field this year. it seems like he will be spending a few years playing streetball with the fellows in florida state pen

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by VCorleone


I believe my comments are about not taking a QB and trading away your first round pick next year. If you follow the logic, you will not see Campbell on the field his rookie season unless the unthinkable happens.

While you may make the claim that Gibbs is thinking about the future with Campbell, he is also sacrificing the future with moving a first round pick and wasting another first round pick.

Your team has been comprised with FA at the sacrifice of draft picks. You now have again moved out picks that are at the top of the round to bring in a player that will not be a foundation player this year or the next.

My argument is straight. Thanks.

Actually, you failed to address the fact that Washington led the league in undrafted FA's, all of whom contributed significantly. You forgot to mention that the Skins' linebacking core is arguably one of the deepest and best units in the league. And its young. While there are definitely some big contracts in there, Arrington and Washington leap to mind, there are plenty of UDFA's there that are being groomed to be eventual cheap replacements if the aforementioned contracts become to cumbersome to carry.

So yes, there is age on the Skins, but no more than the Cowboys. And the cowboys have age at key positions where the Redskins have younger players. Quarterback and receiver immediately jump to mind. But I've got news for you; its the era of free-agency and every team signs FA's. But the Skins are doing it differently; focusing on younger players and UDFAs. You call it mortaging the future, but a lot of the free-agents we signed this past year are on the cheap and are the same age as a lot of the draft picks in this years draft! If a quarter of the UDFA's work out, it will still be a super bargain.


And I find your rebuttal a bit confusing when you use words like...solid but not spectacular and has improved every season he's played which are code words for not there yet to me.

Ahh, go back and read my post, would you? I clearly wrote solid if not spectacular. Very different meaning than that which you imply. Nice try though. And what is wrong with an olineman improving every year he plays? I mean, if you would rather have a player who is on the decline every year he plays, well, I guess that's your perogative. He's obviously a starting-caliber guard, or else he would be on the bench. And he's getting better every year. So, I'm kind of lost on your argument there.


By the way, you said

Interesting your opinions are the only ones worth a hang here. And that your unheralded defensive linemen will shock some people.

To me this is another code phrase for...I can't really substantiate this, but am tossing it out anyway.

Well, the reason I threw their names out there is because they showed flashes this past season. So no, its not unsubstantiated. It is a bit of a projection on my part, but so are most of your arguments. So are all of the arguments about how next season will potentially go. So I don't see the problem here, unless you are just trying to troll and poke holes in an argument with insults.


But if you would have taken the time to read all my posts in this thread, you would have come across this.

Funny how you critic me on not reading your entire post, but you blatantly misquote me. Funny.



Love to. We have added age. But for every old guy we signed, we also added a rookie or young player.

As have the skins.


Bledsoe, Rivera, Ferguson, Allen, Johnson, Glenn, Glenn, Glover are all older players. I suspect Allen and Rivera, as well as Ferguson and Glover to still have productive years after another couple of season.

But the only real chance this team is taking is on Rivera and Ferguson. Because of signing bonuses.

Aaron Glenn was structured on a one year deal. So worst case scenario is he walks after this season or is injured and we eat his salary this year.

Allen, Johnson, Terry Glenn, and Glover are all close to the ends of their contracts and thus don't cost us a great deal. If they fall, we don't eat cap.

However, we added Ware, Spears and Canty to the defensive line.

Pettitti to the offensive line. And are getting back Rogers, a rookie offensive linemen from last year, as well as Peterman from the same draft.

We added Berauilt and Kevin Burnett. A safety and Linebacker who will be a factor in this teams future.

Barber, a runningback with much potential. And Ratliff, another DT.

We also added henry to the secondary. A fifth year player.

We addressed needs with youth.

Funny how all your new acquisitions are going to come in and instantly fix all your problems. Sure, maybe one of your first rounders will make a significant impact right away, but both? Not bloody likely. There is always the chance at a bust, especially at the DL and LB positions. Funny how the youth the Cowboys added will make them jump from 6-10 to 11-5, while the Redskins are stuck at 6-10 still. Funny how all the games that the Skins are going to "struggle" with are going to be a walk for the Cowboys. You're predictions are completely homerish and baseless. Both the Cowboys and Skins were 6-10 teams last year. And without game-changing bogus penalties, the Skins would have been 7-9 while Dallas was 5-11. So all of a sudden Seattle doesn't impress you when they play Dallas, but the Skins will get killed. Seriously, are you honestly going to say that Dallas is that much better than Washington?


But you can bet dollars to donuts that any member on this board would swap our free agency and draft for yours straight up right now.

:laugh:

I can guarantee you that I can find over a 100 people who would tell you take that trade and shove it where the sun don't shine. I can find more than that who are completely happy with our free-agency and draft. Count me among them. In fact, I'll start a poll when I'm finished with this post, and we'll see. Want to make it official? I'll bet more people (by the end of the week) will have said no than yes. I know you have this ridiculous aversion to betting, but I'll put up $50 towards Extremeskins.



I stopped being foolish when I hit the ground in Vietnam, my friend. Making a bet doesn't mean you have balls or a lick of sense. It merely means you are chest thumping on the internet.

And while your prediction has as much chance to be reality as mine. Looking at the rosters and seeing what you have versus us surely looks like we are moving in the right direction.

I suspect we will be 5-3 at the turn with the possibility of 6-2. I don't believe the Chargers have a defense that is a world beater.
Abnd that is the swing game here. I suspect a loss to the Eagles, Oakland, and possibly San Diego.

That means we beat NY, Wash, Seattle, Az, San Fran.

I also predict wins over Detroit, Denver, NY, Kansas City, Carolina, and St Louis.

That is 11-5.

But as a consolation, we lose in your house.

This is all predicated on health, by the way.

Chicago: Rex Grossman has a long way to go. Benson may or may not be a great runner in this league, but either way, the Redskins were #2 in the league in rushing defense last season, and the majority of the pieces are still in place, neutralizing that factor. Muhammed is good, but how good can he be with Grossman throwing to him? Plus, Springs will have him on lockdown. Win.

Dallas: Even if you ignore the improvements that the Skins have made on both sides of the ball, and take all things being equal, then the law of averages states that this thing is going to turn around. This is the year. Gibbs is back, and he has instilled a passion back into this team that hasn't existed the previous 4-5 years. The Skins will dominate this game, imho. The Dallas CB's will not be able to keep up with the new Sins wideouts, and CP and Betts are going to have a field day. Plus, the Skins defense is going to be all over Bledsoe all day, and he will have at least 2 interceptions and be sacked 7-10 times. He may not even finish the game. Win.

Seattle: The Hawks may be without Alexander for this one, and they lost their best defensive players in Lucas and Okeafor to free-agency. Wistrom has never lived up to potential there. On offense, their pass-happy system will get shut down if no Alexander is available. Plus, its in DC which has [b]the best 12th man in the league :point2sky . Win.

Denver: This can go either way. I tend to tip the scales to our defense again. Plummer is just not good enough to do much against our defense. The run defense will be tested for sure, but I think they're up to the challenge. Portis will be aching to prove Shanahan wrong, and I predict a huge game from him. Win.

Kansas City: Another test for the defense. But if the offense (Skins) is clicking by this game, they should be able to score a lot of points on KC. This could actually turn out to be a shootout. Win.

San Francisco: Win. Nuff' said.

Giants: This will be a repeat performance of the second game last season. Eli will either have found his stride or will still be stumbling at this point. If its the latter, it will be ugly in NY. If its the former, then it will be a tight game. Win.

Philly: These games are always tight, and while I strongly feel that we're going to split with Philly this season, I'll give this one to them.

That's 7-1, but 1-3 of those games are really close. So anywhere from 5-3 to 7-1 is not out of the question.

Just my opinion.

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by THEHEREAFTER


O.K. I think I get it..... The Skins will dominate and sweep the Boys "this year."...... "This time" you'll have it together and be ready for us. Furthermore, the Boys will suck this year and the Redskins (who've improved significantly in all three phases) will be great under Gibbs second year!? The Redskins are improving while the Boys are on the downfall!? Does that pretty much sum it up Bubba? We will win 3 games this year vs. NYG, SF, and Detroit? Good stuff Bubba-- @least your consistent! :cheers:

I think Dallas has a shot at 9-7, but 7-9 or 6-10 are more reasonable. You're relying on a lot of old guys and rookies to have this dramatic turnaround that VC is implying will happen. I'll put money on it (in the official wager thread (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97522)) that Dallas won't win more than 8 games.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by jrockster77






Funny how all your new acquisitions are going to come in and instantly fix all your problems. Sure, maybe one of your first rounders will make a significant impact right away, but both? Not bloody likely. There is always the chance at a bust, especially at the DL and LB positions. Funny how the youth the Cowboys added will make them jump from 6-10 to 11-5, while the Redskins are stuck at 6-10 still. Funny how all the games that the Skins are going to "struggle" with are going to be a walk for the Cowboys. You're predictions are completely homerish and baseless. Both the Cowboys and Skins were 6-10 teams last year. And without game-changing bogus penalties, the Skins would have been 7-9 while Dallas was 5-11. So all of a sudden Seattle doesn't impress you when they play Dallas, but the Skins will get killed. Seriously, are you honestly going to say that Dallas is that much better than Washington?



:laugh:

I can guarantee you that I can find over a 100 people who would tell you take that trade and shove it where the sun don't shine. I can find more than that who are completely happy with our free-agency and draft. Count me among them. In fact, I'll start a poll when I'm finished with this post, and we'll see. Want to make it official? I'll bet more people (by the end of the week) will have said no than yes. I know you have this ridiculous aversion to betting, but I'll put up $50 towards Extremeskins.



Dallas: Even if you ignore the improvements that the Skins have made on both sides of the ball, and take all things being equal, then the law of averages states that this thing is going to turn around. This is the year. Gibbs is back, and he has instilled a passion back into this team that hasn't existed the previous 4-5 years. The Skins will dominate this game, imho. The Dallas CB's will not be able to keep up with the new Sins wideouts, and CP and Betts are going to have a field day. Plus, the Skins defense is going to be all over Bledsoe all day, and he will have at least 2 interceptions and be sacked 7-10 times. He may not even finish the game. Win.



I know it's the offseason and all but seriously, looking @ the schedule and predicting wins should be just for fun only. A serious debate about this is just silly for countless reasons. FA and the draft can be somewhat of a crapshoot however, 99% of NON Cowboys or Skins fans who are knowledgeable of the game would say the Boys had the better off-season. Also, lets kill the notion that the Cowboys are simply doing what the skins "used" to do. The highlight of our offseason was the Boys DRAFT for starters. Honestly, no FO with brains wants to manage an off-season and cap like the skins under Danny. I mean, all homerism aside, c'mon! As far as the big Monday nighter, I guess the smack has already begun. Both sides are confident as usuall but I don't think the Skins will simply come in and dominate? The game will be the Boys season opener and on Monday night against a team that we always get up for. I expect an all out war and may the best team win. The law of averages theory is interesting. Funny thing is last year was really the year to defeat the Cowboys. First game, no Julius Jones... Eddie George starting tailback... a 41 year old starting QB... avg @ best starting second corner--goes down early in the game (season ending injury)---- team still shaken from future HOF starting safety career ending injury-- Second Game--- Boys defense was really exploited the second half of the season... no Terry Glenn, No Dan Campbell... What I'm saying is that facing the Boys will be ALOT tougher this year.. even given our transition.

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by THEHEREAFTER


I know it's the offseason and all but seriously, looking @ the schedule and predicting wins should be just for fun only. A serious debate about this is just silly for countless reasons. FA and the draft can be somewhat of a crapshoot however, 99% of NON Cowboys or Skins fans who are knowledgeable of the game would say the Boys had the better off-season. Also, lets kill the notion that the Cowboys are simply doing what the skins "used" to do. The highlight of our offseason was the Boys DRAFT for starters. Honestly, no FO with brains wants to manage an off-season and cap like the skins under Danny. I mean, all homerism aside, c'mon! As far as the big Monday nighter, I guess the smack has already begun. Both sides are confident as usuall but I don't think the Skins will simply come in and dominate? The game will be the Boys season opener and on Monday night against a team that we always get up for. I expect an all out war and may the best team win. The law of averages theory is interesting. Funny thing is last year was really the year to defeat the Cowboys. First game, no Julius Jones... Eddie George starting tailback... a 41 year old starting QB... avg @ best starting second corner--goes down early in the game (season ending injury)---- team still shaken from future HOF starting safety career ending injury-- Second Game--- Boys defense was really exploited the second half of the season... no Terry Glenn, No Dan Campbell... What I'm saying is that facing the Boys will be ALOT tougher this year.. even given our transition.

It is for fun, totally. Offseason predictions are worth nothing.

I would disagree with the Danny comment; while I don't really like him as an owner, I do believe he is a cap wizard. And this season they are doing things right under the influence of Joe, so I'm starting to gain more of a liking of Dan. I think a lot of teams would love Dan as an owner and cap wizard...the Skins have supposedly been in cap hell the past 5 seasons, and have made it work every year. Besides, every team has cap problems eventually, contracts just have to be re-worked. Plus, that is a big reason why they are picking up so many UDFA's the past few years, for cap relief.

Next year will be interesting; Lavar and Samuels are going to count something like 25% of the Skins cap. We'll see how that plays out. But you have to look at someone like either Manning brothers, or Vick, to see huge contracts that dictate a huge chunk of their teams' cap, and you can see that it is workable.

Anyway, I always predict a win against Dallas ;) . And its funny how you say last year was the year to beat them; we did beat them in the first game for all intents and purposes. Putting all homerism aside, you have to admit that the game would have gone a lot differently if those two PI calls were made the way they were supposed to be made. Click here to refresh your memory. (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88913)

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by jrockster77


I think Dallas has a shot at 9-7, but 7-9 or 6-10 are more reasonable. You're relying on a lot of old guys and rookies to have this dramatic turnaround that VC is implying will happen. I'll put money on it (in the official wager thread (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97522)) that Dallas won't win more than 8 games.

This just in: every team relies on the right MIX of seasoned experienced veterans, primed young vets, and rookies. This seams to be this boards rallying cry: that Dallas expects a stellar draft to come in and contribute? Duuuh? Will the team have to gel... sure but we'll be fielding a far superior team to last years. Dallas is still only two years removed from a 10-6 record and the #1 Defense. I think Parcells realizes his mistakes from last year.

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by THEHEREAFTER


This just in: every team relies on the right MIX of seasoned experienced veterans, primed young vets, and rookies. This seams to be this boards rallying cry: that Dallas expects a stellar draft to come in and contribute? Duuuh? Will the team have to gel... sure but we'll be fielding a far superior team to last years. Dallas is still only two years removed from a 10-6 record and the #1 Defense. I think Parcells realizes his mistakes from last year.



:doh: dream on dude, keep ignoring the obvious.... at least your consistent:cheers:

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by THEHEREAFTER


This just in: every team relies on the right MIX of seasoned experienced veterans, primed young vets, and rookies. This seams to be this boards rallying cry: that Dallas expects a stellar draft to come in and contribute? Duuuh? Will the team have to gel... sure but we'll be fielding a far superior team to last years. Dallas is still only two years removed from a 10-6 record and the #1 Defense. I think Parcells realizes his mistakes from last year.

Two things:

1) The point is with the old guys and rookies in there, there is no guarantee that the team will be far superior to last year's team. Switching to the 3-4 will take time. Plus, there is no guarantee that Bledsoe has anything left; and if he is terrible, who do you have left? Henson? Please. And Julius Jones has to prove that he is durable enough to last the entire season. If either he or Bledsoe go down, I think the Cowboys are in a world of hurt.

2) Why is it such a valid reason to say "Parcells realizes his mistakes from last year", but Cowboy fans balk whenever Skins fans say that a second year under Joe Gibbs will make a huge difference? Gibbs is a hall of fame coach and a proven winner. A second year under him will have an equal if not greater impact than Parcells realizing his mistakes from last season.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by jrockster77


It is for fun, totally. Offseason predictions are worth nothing.

I would disagree with the Danny comment; while I don't really like him as an owner, I do believe he is a cap wizard. And this season they are doing things right under the influence of Joe, so I'm starting to gain more of a liking of Dan. I think a lot of teams would love Dan as an owner and cap wizard...the Skins have supposedly been in cap hell the past 5 seasons, and have made it work every year. Besides, every team has cap problems eventually, contracts just have to be re-worked. Plus, that is a big reason why they are picking up so many UDFA's the past few years, for cap relief.

Next year will be interesting; Lavar and Samuels are going to count something like 25% of the Skins cap. We'll see how that plays out. But you have to look at someone like either Manning brothers, or Vick, to see huge contracts that dictate a huge chunk of their teams' cap, and you can see that it is workable.

Anyway, I always predict a win against Dallas ;) . And its funny how you say last year was the year to beat them; we did beat them in the first game for all intents and purposes. Putting all homerism aside, you have to admit that the game would have gone a lot differently if those two PI calls were made the way they were supposed to be made. Click here to refresh your memory. (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88913)

Most Dallas fans are still upset about the 94' Championship game against the 49'ers in which we felt that Deion intefered with Irvin during a critical part of the game. I've decided to let it go though, tough as it is. The 49'ers were just slightly better that day and we dug too deep of a hole to win. I don't have the energy to make excuses forever. Putting all homerism aside, I think the game would have gone differently had those two calls gone the other way. Thing is though, I don't think either one of those calls absolutely MADE the game. I really do think the Boys were a little bit sharper that night and played better as a team. You all didn't "realize" @ that point how bad Brunell was, and he really stunk it up until the O really picked it up when down 14-3 and 21-10 in comeback mode. You guys had several dropped passes, could not score from the 1, not to mention you benefited from a couple bad calls. I just think it makes you guys look bad because you guys always seem to have a convinient excuse year after year... but this is your board and majority RULES... c'mon what fun would life be if you didn't hear an opposing point of view huh?:rolleyes: ;)

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by THEHEREAFTER


Most Dallas fans are still upset about the 94' Championship game against the 49'ers in which we felt that Deion intefered with Irvin during a critical part of the game. I've decided to let it go though, tough as it is. The 49'ers were just slightly better that day and we dug to deep of a hole to win. I don't have the energy to make excuses forever. Putting all homerism aside, I think the game would have gone differently had those two calls gone the other way. Thing is though, I don't think either one of those calls absolutely MADE the game. I really do think the Boys were a little bit sharper that night and played better as a team. You all didn't "realize" @ that point how bad Brunell was, and he really stunk it up until the O really picked it up when down 14-3 and 21-10 in comeback mode. You guys had several dropped passes, could not score from the 1, not to mention you benefited from a couple bad calls. I just think it makes you guys look bad because you guys always seem to have a convinient excuse year after year... but this is your board and majority RULES... c'mon what fun would life be if you didn't hear an opposing point of view huh?:rolleyes: ;)

Trust me, I love arguing so I welcome opposing points of view. It only makes me look smarter when I prove you wrong ;)

There is no possible way to predict how the game would have gone if those two calls had gone the correct way, but it was a potential 14 point swing. If the Cowboys don't get the ball on the 1 yard-line, chances are the #3 defense in the league would have forced a punt. If the Skins get the ball on the 1 yard-line, they would have at least come out of there with a field goal. That is a 10 point swing right there, but with momentum, I think they would have scored a TD. That makes the game 17-14. So, who knows from there? But it would have been a totally different game at that point!

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by jrockster77


Two things:

1) The point is with the old guys and rookies in there, there is no guarantee that the team will be far superior to last year's team. Switching to the 3-4 will take time. Plus, there is no guarantee that Bledsoe has anything left; and if he is terrible, who do you have left? Henson? Please. And Julius Jones has to prove that he is durable enough to last the entire season. If either he or Bledsoe go down, I think the Cowboys are in a world of hurt.

2) Why is it such a valid reason to say "Parcells realizes his mistakes from last year", but Cowboy fans balk whenever Skins fans say that a second year under Joe Gibbs will make a huge difference? Gibbs is a hall of fame coach and a proven winner. A second year under him will have an equal if not greater impact than Parcells realizing his mistakes from last season.

1) Vaid points but I think that it's hard to argue from a pure "talent" standpoint that Dallas has not improved drastically. I would be highly dissapointed if Dallas did not win more than six games. I mean, we could go on forever with the glass half empty/full scenarios but I would argue that Bledsoe has plenty left at age 33 plus he has a relationship with Parcells. Heck they even went to a SB together :). In Bledsoe, I see a classic pocket QB who yes, has his flaws but is very capable given a strong running game, a good defense, and protection. I believe he led Buffalo to a 9-2 record down the stretch with McGahee back. If Bledsoe goes down, we could either sink to our doom or witness our future take over (Brady, B. Roth). This is the magic of the unknown? Some Boys fans even think that Bledsoe will @ some point, be relieved by yet another young QB (Brady, Lossman). Yes, JJ has to prove that he can endure an entire season which is why Parcells drafted Marion Barber in the 4rth and aquired A-Train through FA.

2.) I do believe that Gibbs will do better in his second year. He is a HOF coach and nobody can deny his genius. Difference is his layoff is far longer than Parcells and he has to fight against a longer culture of losing and FO mistakes in Washington. Parcells took a losing team to 10-6 his first year. The guy has made a living turning around franchises. He got caught off guard last year and has worked tirelessly to correct this. The 3-4 will be a slow transition but this IS Parcells. This is what he's done his entire career save the last two in Dallas. I also have a theory that the pressure is on Gibbs moreso given his legend in D.C. I mean, we all know the standard that he set for this franchise during his first stint here.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by jrockster77


Trust me, I love arguing so I welcome opposing points of view. It only makes me look smarter when I prove you wrong ;)

There is no possible way to predict how the game would have gone if those two calls had gone the correct way, but it was a potential 14 point swing. If the Cowboys don't get the ball on the 1 yard-line, chances are the #3 defense in the league would have forced a punt. If the Skins get the ball on the 1 yard-line, they would have at least come out of there with a field goal. That is a 10 point swing right there, but with momentum, I think they would have scored a TD. That makes the game 17-14. So, who knows from there? But it would have been a totally different game at that point!

Exactly, my point. Too many variables to say if A and B happen.. Redskins win. Because if A and B happen.. then X,Y,Z may happen and so on. I mean, one of those I'm not gonna lie, I would be livid if those calls had gone against the Boys but I think most of your talk stems from a lopsided rivalry. Cumatively, this has to be frustrating.. so I do understand.

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by THEHEREAFTER


Exactly, my point. Too many variables to say if A and B happen.. Redskins win. Because if A and B happen.. then X,Y,Z may happen and so on. I mean, one of those I'm not gonna lie, I would be livid if those calls had gone against the Boys but I think most of your talk stems from a lopsided rivalry. Cumatively, this has to be frustrating.. so I do understand.

Nice jab............jerk. ;) ( <---- notice the winking smiley before you get offended :) )

It is frustrating to have lost 13 of 14 or whatever the streak stands at right now. Which is going to make the sweep this year so much more rewarding! :D

[bubba9497]

Do boyz fans realize their savior QB, who had better WR, OL, and RBs in Buffalo.....put up simular or worse #'s than Vinny last year...:laugh:

#18. Drew Bledsoe BUF 2932 450 256 20 16 69 76.6

#11. Vinny Testaverde DAL 3532 495 297 17 20 53 76.4

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by bubba9497
Do boyz fans realize their savior QB, who had better WR, OL, and RBs in Buffalo.....put up simular or worse #'s than Vinny last year...:laugh:

#18. Drew Bledsoe BUF 2932 450 256 20 16 69 76.6

#11. Vinny Testaverde DAL 3532 495 297 17 20 53 76.4

Sometimes numbers lie, sometimes they don't. All I know is that Bledsoe has a relationship with Parcells and Terry Glenn ALREADY, and led Buffaloe to an impressive 11 game run to end the season. I would take JJ before McGahee and I think the Dallas O-Line and WR's are just as reliable as Buffaloes. One number that jumps out to me is Bledsoe's TD/INT ratio.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by jrockster77


Nice jab............jerk. ;) ( <---- notice the winking smiley before you get offended :) )

It is frustrating to have lost 13 of 14 or whatever the streak stands at right now. Which is going to make the sweep this year so much more rewarding! :D

No offense taken :laugh:. I could tell immediately from your tone that I could have a discussion with you. It sounded like a smart comment but I was serious. The current state of the rivalry has Skins fans cornered and ready to attack and say anything. I will enjoy future discussions with you the Tuesday morning after the Boys win again :cool: .

[illone]

Eh, one week at a time.

That said, I'm putting $500 on the Skins in week 1.

:D

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by THEHEREAFTER


No offense taken :laugh:. I could tell immediately from your tone that I could have a discussion with you. It sounded like a smart comment but I was serious. The current state of the rivalry has Skins fans cornered and ready to attack and say anything. I will enjoy future discussions with you the Tuesday morning after the Boys win again :cool: .

Well, when you're done with that dream discussion and then wake up to the realization that Boys got spanked, then I'll enjoy the discussion with you. ;)

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by VCorleone
But you can bet dollars to donuts that any member on this board would swap our free agency and draft for yours straight up right now.

Well, VC, I may very well take your bet now. So far 60+ people on this board have said they wouldn't swap offseasons with Dallas. (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104487)

I gave the poll 7 days, and I'm positive I'll get my 100 people that disagree with you before Saturday.

:owned:

[jschlesi]

Jeez-- wasn't it a few weeks agow I remember all of us talking about how smart our brethren skinzoids were and how this site separated itself from the normal banter.
Now I see this thread is still lingering and refusing to die.
Lets win on Sunday before we talk smack on Monday......