Are the skins hated in the NFL?

[Bigredskin77]

I have read a post earlier that was talking about Champ Bailey being overrated in the Nfl. Well he was torched by atleast four recievers last year witch is way to many. Then some idiot said that he would take bailey over any of the redskins corners that they have now. Its like we are hated against becuase if Art Monk had played for the Dallas Cowboys he would be in the hall of fame right now becuase they are pushing Micheal Irvin to be in and he is not nowhere ArtMonk on the all time recieveing list and i dont want to hear no B.S. about him being a play maker and changing the game. Now dont get me wrong, the redskins are not the only team hated against. The patriots are another team, the have 3 titles and people still call them a fluke champion. Its like people dont care or remeber when the redskins where winners. If the redskins start beating the cowboys every year then no one would care about this rivalry. If you dont believe me it happened before in the 80's we would get the best of the cowboys and then all of a sudden everyone was rooting for the giants to beat us every time. I can only think that only the redskins negatives are recognized and when they do good no body cares. Are the skins hated.

[LiveStrongSkins]

I believe theres a grey cloud over the skins. No redskin fan would ever stop loving the redskins over this, but alot of people want to see us fail because of our owner. The whole "buying" a superbowl and "renting" players. In my opinion i feel we have an owner who is really eager to win and will do anything to get there. Guys like that however, have a bulls eye on their chest from the rest of the media.

[Bigredskin77]

But this has been going on way before Snyder even owned the skins

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I haven't heard anyone call the Patriots fluke champs. If anything I've gotten tired of everyone always talking about the Patriot Dynasty (not saying they aren't but shut up about it already).

[Bigredskin77]

When the superbowl ended there was people talking about the reason they won was becuase Mcnabb was sick and Owens was not one hundred percent

[skinstzar]

I think there is definetly some latent hatability factor with the Burgundy and Gold. I travel a lot for business and whenever I find myself in a conversation about the redskins the overwhelming sentiment is distaste. I always ask why and it usually has to do with Mr. Snyder. He is thought of much Like Stienbrenner. Too me that is just fine. I have a deep rooted hatred for 31 other teams in the NFL. I have a reason to hate each one of them and that will never change.

[DC]

Winning always tends to change the way people feel about an organization...Bengals, Patriots of the past, Tampa...ect

Don't tell me show me...when we win they will come!!!!!:point2sky

[Kilmer]

Well whether we like it or not...Preston Marshall was a racist and the PI folks think our mascot and name are racist too.

That generates a little negativity.

[MCnDaHouse]

I agree that winning would solve a lot of those problems. People love a winner (and some love to hate a winner). A lot of people jump on the bandwagon of winners and love to kick losers.

MC

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by skinstzar
I have a deep rooted hatred for 31 other teams in the NFL. I have a reason to hate each one of them and that will never change.

I have a deep rooted hatred for 30 other teams; I LOVE the skins, and my second favorite team is whoever is playing the Cowgirls. :)

[pennywise]

It does not have anything to do with the rest of the league, nor is there a "conspiracy".

Redskin fans are perhaps the most passionate (read: homer) in the league and there is more than a little misinterpretation up and down the line.

I am not one to buy into conspiracy theories, thus I think the NFL world does not revolve around the Burgundy and Gold, nor do NFL executives, referees or pundits spend their time wondering how they can screw Washington next.

It all comes down to execution on the field.

[E-Dog Night]

Snyder obviously has alot to do with it. Let's face it -- we all (almost) were ready to hang him from the nearest tree until he signed Gibbs. And everyone else hated him for being young, rich, and trying to buy a Super bowl.

The you've got the racist mascot thing. No matter how you slice it, "Redskins" comes off as racist to a bunch of people.

So we're easy to hate. Whaddaya gonna do.

[jimster]

Originally posted by Bigredskin77
But this has been going on way before Snyder even owned the skins

Yep.



Originally posted by LivestrongSkins
The whole "buying" a superbowl and "renting" players. In my opinion i feel we have an owner who is really eager to win and will do anything to get there. Guys like that however, have a bulls eye on their chest from the rest of the media.

you mean like just like Denver's owner?

in 2000 when we had the highest payroll, guess who had the 2nd highest? - The Superbowl Champ Ravens.

Denver was over cap in '98 and only lost a 4th round draft pick as a penalty.


People didn't like Cooke, people don't like Snyder, people didn't like us when we were winning, people don't like us when we're losing. - who cares.

I think the media really latched on the hate wagon when Snyder bought the team and now it's just a standard method of operation.

[stram22]

It seems like the media is having a good time with us right now. They'll change their tune if we win.

Around the league I don't think there is hatred (other than that stemming from people who believe the media).

It doesn't seem like players, coaches, knowledgeable fans throughout the NFL have any more hatred for us than they do for other teams.

[Flowtrain]

Originally posted by BornASkinsFan83
I haven't heard anyone call the Patriots fluke champs.

Then I guess you've also never heard of the "Tuck Rule"?

http://uhavax.hartford.edu/CALVANIO/d1121pats.jpg

[PleaseBlitz]

I think most of the bias stems from Danny's treatment of the media. He hates the Post so he uses Redskins.com as an outlet for team news (scoops) so the Post writers dont show the love that the home town paper should. Danny or Vinny also snubbed Pastabelly about the Gibbs news, now Lenny holds a HUGE grudge. Other members of the media automatically take the side of other media guys, so most of the news put out about the skins is negative.

Im fine with that, but yes, i think most football fans around the league dislike the Skins, just like most fans around the league dislike the Cowboys (americas team my ass) and the Raiders. Take a look at the owners for those 3 teams.

HOWEVER, that being said......i HOPE all other fans around the league HATE the Skins. They are MY team, and when they win, I want other fans to cry.

[Beaudry]

To the original sentiment: No, you are just paranoid. Dallas fans will also tell you how the Cowboys get screwed for hall of fame voting. They have their cases, just like we have ours. The Patriots get so much credit that it falls out their pockets. You find the one or two people who say they got lucky. That doesn't mean that very many people agree.

Any current negativity is a result of Snyder, fair or not.

Also, Champ was a pretty damn good corner here. He also did it without shooting at people. Not as good as the hype, but definately "good". Had a down year in Denver, but then Portis had a down year here.

[Bigredskin77]

Bailey down year got him a pro bowl, Portis down year got him a label named Bust

[jimster]

Originally posted by Beaudry

Also, Champ was a pretty damn good corner here. He also did it without shooting at people. Not as good as the hype, but definately "good". Had a down year in Denver, but then Portis had a down year here.


yeah, a lousy 1300 yards in 14 games. What a bum.

Champ declared himself to be the best corner in the league. Well, if he was the best corner in the league opposing teams wouldn't have thrown his way as much as they did, and did so successfully.

We don't have any current players here accused of shooting at anyone either.

[Woofer]

Originally posted by Bigredskin77
I have read a post earlier that was talking about Champ Bailey being overrated in the Nfl. Well he was torched by atleast four recievers last year witch is way to many. Then some idiot said that he would take bailey over any of the redskins corners that they have now. Its like we are hated against becuase if Art Monk had played for the Dallas Cowboys he would be in the hall of fame right now becuase they are pushing Micheal Irvin to be in and he is not nowhere ArtMonk on the all time recieveing list and i dont want to hear no B.S. about him being a play maker and changing the game. Now dont get me wrong, the redskins are not the only team hated against. The patriots are another team, the have 3 titles and people still call them a fluke champion. Its like people dont care or remeber when the redskins where winners. If the redskins start beating the cowboys every year then no one would care about this rivalry. If you dont believe me it happened before in the 80's we would get the best of the cowboys and then all of a sudden everyone was rooting for the giants to beat us every time. I can only think that only the redskins negatives are recognized and when they do good no body cares. Are the skins hated.

Is this English?

:jk:
:laugh:


There has always been a certain amount of disrespect for the Redskins. Even in the 70's and 80's.
It's worse now (or at least seems worse) because of the internet and 15000 sports channels. None of whom actually have their own opinion. They (the media) hear someone else's opinion (which was gotten from yet a third party) and try to put their own "unique" spin on the subject.

It's all hogwash, and the sooner we all learn to tune it out, the better off we'll all be.

[Redfaced21]

Originally posted by Bigredskin77
I have read a post earlier that was talking about Champ Bailey being overrated in the Nfl. Well he was torched by atleast four recievers last year witch is way to many. Then some idiot said that he would take bailey over any of the redskins corners that they have now. Its like we are hated against becuase if Art Monk had played for the Dallas Cowboys he would be in the hall of fame right now becuase they are pushing Micheal Irvin to be in and he is not nowhere ArtMonk on the all time recieveing list and i dont want to hear no B.S. about him being a play maker and changing the game. Now dont get me wrong, the redskins are not the only team hated against. The patriots are another team, the have 3 titles and people still call them a fluke champion. Its like people dont care or remeber when the redskins where winners. If the redskins start beating the cowboys every year then no one would care about this rivalry. If you dont believe me it happened before in the 80's we would get the best of the cowboys and then all of a sudden everyone was rooting for the giants to beat us every time. I can only think that only the redskins negatives are recognized and when they do good no body cares. Are the skins hated.

It's because of the racial history behind the redskins. Well even the name is racist to a degree. I think the skins were the last NFL team to include black players whereas the cowboys were one of the first so they gained the minority crowds.

[fmorris]

Originally posted by Kilmer
Well whether we like it or not...Preston Marshall was a racist and the PI folks think our mascot and name are racist too.

That generates a little negativity.

Actually it's stunning that this generates as little negativity as it does.

I don't think many of todays fans are well versed in league history, to even know about Preston Marshall. If we took an honest poll (even on this site) I'd be surprised if 60% even knew who he was. Though I'd be happy if I was proven incorrect.

I'll go out on a limb and say that most folks (those honestly interested in football), could care less about the mascot. The PI folks will continue to do what they do, with those things that they do it with. :cry: Just like they've always done.

People like to hate stuff, and we'll have our haters with or without Danny. But he's a good target for the press to have fun with.

It's going to be real interesting, the popular opinion, if and when we start getting really good!

:)

[pennywise]

Originally posted by Beaudry
To the original sentiment: No, you are just paranoid. Dallas fans will also tell you how the Cowboys get screwed for hall of fame voting. They have their cases, just like we have ours. The Patriots get so much credit that it falls out their pockets. You find the one or two people who say they got lucky. That doesn't mean that very many people agree.

Any current negativity is a result of Snyder, fair or not.

Also, Champ was a pretty damn good corner here. He also did it without shooting at people. Not as good as the hype, but definately "good". Had a down year in Denver, but then Portis had a down year here.

I agree completely. Good post.

[AzSkinsFan63]

Originally posted by Kilmer
Well whether we like it or not...Preston Marshall was a racist and the PI folks think our mascot and name are racist too.

That generates a little negativity.

Yeah Preston Marshall was such a racist he went and named his team a racist name so that he could root for them to win. Then they created a racist song singing praise to his racist team.

makes sense to me....

[NYFootballGIANTS]

As a fan of a different team, I'd like to add my opinion on the matter. I agree that it is paranoid to think that everyone hates you. Fans of 31 other teams hate your team just like you hate theirs. Every fan is going to dislike all other teams. I don't believe the Redskins are singled out by other fans.

Of course you're going to feel slighted by the media because the media does not seem to do justice to the team in your eyes. When the media does not live up to a fan's expectations (which are always going to be high for their own team) then the common belief among those fans is going to be that there is injustice against their team. I have been on other message boards and it always seems to apply for every team.

Winning is definitely the solution to all the media problems. When the Redskins put up a winning record then the media will acknowledge the team.

[Thinking Skins]

People have probably lost a lot of money betting on the Skins. And thats a reason to get pissed off.

[Darth Tater]

Originally posted by ChocolateCitySkin
I think most fans don't like how obsessive and homerlike skins fans are... I think its schweeet. Besides, the wizards didn't get any respect until 3/4 through the season.
I've gotten feedback from fans of other teams who rate the Redskin fans as being among the biggest *******s. I take this as affirmation that the Redskin fans tend to be very passionate. My best friend (a die-hard Skins fan, also) always complained about how fans of other teams would 'lord it over us'. When we started winning so much under Joe Gibbs, he did the same thing to fans of other teams. I noticed a lot of fans do the same thing. People love winners but when a winner falls, they love to hate them.

[mooby]

sometimes i feel like being a redskins fan isn't worth all the trouble. i go to other boards and whenever anyone even mentions the redskins, it's like every fan of every other team unites to make the redskins fan shutup. i haven't heard anyone gloat about how awesome the redskins fans are, all i've heard is optimism about next season. nobody likes us, but we are diehard. people ask me how i can root for the redskins in games because of our bad records the past few years. and then when i start hearing rumors that my fav player (lavar) might get traded to another team a couple years from now i feel like just giving up. but i too have that unrelenting optimism that next year will be better.

[amaprius]

My father is a Niner fan. I am a rabid Skins fan. I stay quiet during games because he tries to bait me by saying nasty things about the Skins(and I refuse to get thrown out of my parents house....it is gorgeous). Even if the Skins arent playing that the Niners or it is the bye week, he and his friends will bash the Skins. They love to hate the Redskins. There are alot of people out there like that. The media is full of them. Hold it! I swear I hear Peter King right now! Nope. Just another Whiner fan....Oops! I meant Niner fan.

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by stram22
It seems like the media is having a good time with us right now. They'll change their tune if we win.

Around the league I don't think there is hatred (other than that stemming from people who believe the media).

It doesn't seem like players, coaches, knowledgeable fans throughout the NFL have any more hatred for us than they do for other teams.

Or make excuses for the other teams we beat.

[themurf]

All it takes is one quick glace at an article from Peter King (Sports Illustrated) or Len Pasquarelli (ESPN.com) to see the Redskins get no love. Neither wastes an opportunity to kick the 'Skins.

It's even worse on TV, when all of the talking heads from the "Worldwide Leader in Sports" line up to trash Washington's favorite team.

Throw in all that air time for Brian "I'm The Smartest Man On the Planet, Just Ask Me" Billick on Comcast Sportsnet and we can't even get love locally.

[fmorris]

Originally posted by themurf
All it takes is one quick glace at an article from Peter King (Sports Illustrated) or Len Pasquarelli (ESPN.com) to see the Redskins get no love. Neither wastes an opportunity to kick the 'Skins.

It's even worse on TV, when all of the talking heads from the "Worldwide Leader in Sports" line up to trash Washington's favorite team.

Throw in all that air time for Brian "I'm The Smartest Man On the Planet, Just Ask Me" Billick on Comcast Sportsnet and we can't even get love locally.

**The Love is overrated. I could personally do without it, however, it is nice to have the benefit of the doubt sometimes.

Fans from other teams (and sometimes us for that matter) along with the media buy into a scenario(sp?) where a team in decline, stays in decline, where an owner doesn't learn from past mistakes, where a coach should be able to wave his hall of fame wand and make things better...IN ONE SEASON, or he must, by all reputable accounts, and backed up by latest polls, and experts in high football places, be washed-up.

Oh F'in please.

That's why I love this place. We, for the most part, don't buy into the negative hype, and we have cats like Om to set the record straight. Hail Extreme Skins!!:cheers:

[Beaudry]

Originally posted by jimster



yeah, a lousy 1300 yards in 14 games. What a bum.

Champ declared himself to be the best corner in the league. Well, if he was the best corner in the league opposing teams wouldn't have thrown his way as much as they did, and did so successfully.

We don't have any current players here accused of shooting at anyone either.


Portis had a down year for us. That is not disputable and is a matter of fact. 1300 yards and 7 TD's is a lousy year for Portis.

Champ made the Pro-Bowl because it's harder to judge cornerbacks. You can look at the numbers Portis put up and compare it to fellow running backs. Defensive production is based less on numbers like sacks/tackles/ints. Champ made the pro-bowl every other year, so of course he makes it on name.

Ok, nobody shot at anybody. Somebody just chased somebody down firing the gun in the air. MUUUUUUCH better. Yup, ideal citizen we have roaming our secondary now. :rolleyes:

[jimster]

Originally posted by Beaudry



Portis had a down year for us. That is not disputable and is a matter of fact. 1300 yards and 7 TD's is a lousy year for Portis.

Champ made the Pro-Bowl because it's harder to judge cornerbacks. You can look at the numbers Portis put up and compare it to fellow running backs. Defensive production is based less on numbers like sacks/tackles/ints. Champ made the pro-bowl every other year, so of course he makes it on name.

Ok, nobody shot at anybody. Somebody just chased somebody down firing the gun in the air. MUUUUUUCH better. Yup, ideal citizen we have roaming our secondary now. :rolleyes:

So when you remove your exaggerated drama, Portis was the 2nd leading rusher in the NFC in 2004 in 14 games, playing in a tougher division defensively, as opposed to his first two years when he played in a defensively weak division, facing KC, San Diego and Oakland twice a year.

Sean Taylor also was not accused of firing a gun either, and was only accused by two criminals. - Not that that excuses the fact he wasn't with the rest of the team as me and everyone else would have preferred, and this never would have happened.

[Beaudry]

Originally posted by jimster


So when you remove your exaggerated drama, Portis was the 2nd leading rusher in the NFC in 2004 in 14 games, playing in a tougher division defensively, as opposed to his first two years when he played in a defensively weak division, facing KC, San Diego and Oakland twice a year.

Sean Taylor also was not accused of firing a gun either, and was only accused by two criminals. - Not that that excuses the fact he wasn't with the rest of the team as me and everyone else would have preferred, and this never would have happened.

I don't want to make you look like a bigger fool that you already are, but here are the Portis stats (please explain to me how this is not a 'down' year):

2002 16 12 273 1508 5.5 15
2003 13 13 290 1591 5.5 14
2004 15 15 343 1315 3.8 5

He had MORE attempts, LESS yards, LOWER average, LESS TD's. Just give up now and save yourself a little dignity.

[Jay Master Jay]

Why should we be hated?? Were sorry and haven't won anything in a long time. We were hated in the late 80's and early 90's with the fight song and kicking all that *****. Right now were the laughing stock of the league but not for long.:point2sky :helmet: :2cents:

[jimster]

Originally posted by Beaudry


I don't want to make you look like a bigger fool that you already are, but here are the Portis stats (please explain to me how this is not a 'down' year):

2002 16 12 273 1508 5.5 15
2003 13 13 290 1591 5.5 14
2004 15 15 343 1315 3.8 5

He had MORE attempts, LESS yards, LOWER average, LESS TD's. Just give up now and save yourself a little dignity.



Yes, he had fewer yards than his previous two seasons, but I thought you were insinuating last year was a failure. 1300 yards is not a failure.

Let's not get into name calling here just because we have a misunderstanding, and I do not believe I've lost a shred of dignity, so sorry to disappoint you.

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Beaudry



Portis had a down year for us. That is not disputable and is a matter of fact. 1300 yards and 7 TD's is a lousy year for Portis.

Champ made the Pro-Bowl because it's harder to judge cornerbacks. You can look at the numbers Portis put up and compare it to fellow running backs. Defensive production is based less on numbers like sacks/tackles/ints. Champ made the pro-bowl every other year, so of course he makes it on name.

Ok, nobody shot at anybody. Somebody just chased somebody down firing the gun in the air. MUUUUUUCH better. Yup, ideal citizen we have roaming our secondary now. :rolleyes:

Bullets, spit... what's the difference

[Rocky21]

Are the Redskins hated? I don't necessarily think so but I do have friends that don't like the Redskins and they say the reason they don't is Dan Snyder.

I know. I know. Time to get some new friends. :cool:

[PleaseBlitz]

I think ALL teams are hated. Maybe hate is too strong a word, but I hate the Cowboys, I hate the Eagles, I hate the Giants, I hate the Steelers, I hate the Bears, I hate the Bills, I hate pretty much all other teams besides the Skins with a little love for say, the Packers and teams with Mountaineers on them. So if i intensely dislike pretty much every team, you gotta figure every fan for every other team has a little hate for the skins.

[Dallsux]

Originally posted by Bigredskin77
Are the skins hated.




Yes.



As for the rest of your post....wow. Grammar not a big thing in your house, huh?

;)

[budski]

Heres the deal they hated us like someone mentioned before in the late eighties and early nineties.
Same coach now as back then...
its is only a matter of time till the *****kicking begins again like 2 months or something and the hatred will really begin.
They are just warming up.

[ryerye05]

as long as we start winning we will be better respected

[dfbovey]

Putting aside the homer glasses for a minute, you can't really blame the media all that much for the negative attention the organization has been getting over the past several years. Much of it is well deserved.

However some of it is BS, especially the crap that comes from Len Pasquarelli since he takes it to a personal level most of the time.

Since the early 90s, the team has been in disarray and made several blunders. It'll take a few years of winning to get the media off our backs.

[Warhead36]

Who gives a ****?

They can kiss our asses after Gibbs and Snyder hold up a Lombardi Trophy.

[kingchris626]

we're hated in California. That's for sure

[budski]

He hate me.