Uh oh, Nunyo.....Rogers has bone bruise

[andyman]

Rogers has a bone bruise, not stress fracture. During exams related to bruise it was discovered he had at some time suffered a stress fracture, but it has no bearing on his current situation.

[bird_1972]

Originally posted by andyman
Rogers has a bone bruise, not stress fracture. During exams related to bruise it was discovered he had at some time suffered a stress fracture, but it has no bearing on his current situation.

Very nice, but isn't that the nasty injury that kept Barrow off the field the entire season last year?

[Makaveli]

so this is good news right? :)

thanks for the info

[tr1]

Originally posted by bird_1972


Very nice, but isn't that the nasty injury that kept Barrow off the field the entire season last year?

They thought Barrow had knee tendinitis that turned out to be rouch cartilage that got cleaned up...

[Parlett316]

o snap

[wskin44]

Originally posted by andyman
Rogers has a bone bruise, not stress fracture. During exams related to bruise it was discovered he had at some time suffered a stress fracture, but it has no bearing on his current situation.

Where's Art? Another one for the Nunyo files.

[iheartskins]

And the score remains:

andyman 131.5 v. Nunyo 0*

*Similar to QB rating, there's a mercy rule in reporting rating such that no scores come up below 0.

[TXREDSKINS44]

Thanks for the update Andyman!!

[SkinsGuy]

Originally posted by bird_1972


Very nice, but isn't that the nasty injury that kept Barrow off the field the entire season last year?



I thought it was Arrington who had the bone bruise.

[SKINtil8tin]

You have to be kidding me. Doesn't Nunyo check and re-check these stories before he prints them. Two words - IRRESPONSIBLE and JOURNALISM.

[Art]

Very good to know. Great news. Too bad we can't get the news from the newspaper :).

[Truant]

That sounds much better than a stress fracture. Thanks for the scoop.

It'll be nice to have QBs try to test Rogers thinking that he's hobbled early in the season. Keep him in that boot!!

[dfbovey]

Originally posted by SkinsGuy




I thought it was Arrington who had the bone bruise.



Correct. Arrington had the bone bruise and Barrow had tendinitis. Both injuries wound up turning into something else though.

[GoSkinsGo]

Wow, thanks andyman. I guess Nunyo doesn't visit Redskin Park at all...

[ntotoro]

Andyman...

Did Rogers ever know that he had a stress fracture at one time in the past? As hard as it might seem for that to go unnoticed, my Grandpop once had a heart attack and didn't even know until he was asked about it when he had an MRI once.

Nick

[Om]

The press is reporting Rogers "may miss the start of training camp," andyman.

Do you know/can you say if this is as accurate as the stress fracture report?

[denverdan]

Great news, I thought Nfl network were the first to report this wrong.

[ross3909]

Saying it is a bone bruise, how long will it take to come back from something like that. I imagine it is very painful.

[Beaudry]

I found this on the IntraWeb. I'm not a doctor, this isn't related to athletes, and this may have nothing to do with the Rogers, but:

Bone bruises can often take 3 months or more to fully heal.

I don't know. Maybe it takes 3 months for old people. I think these things can vary quite a bit.

I love Extremeskins scooping the WP again. Andyman rules.

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by SkinsGuy




I thought it was Arrington who had the bone bruise.

it was LaVar

[Hooper]

So is this good news or bad news?

[REDKORN]

I got the perfect cure for the injury. Pour some Robitussin on his foot. :laugh:

[Om]

Not all bone bruises are created equal. This is one we'll just have to follow as actual news comes along ... and andyman either confirms or denies. :)

If you're looking for a silver lining here ... the "good" news is that this takes a bit of pressure OFF Rogers early in his rookie campaign. Of course, that's coming from a guy who generally does NOT think rookies should be anywhere near the field--especially in a starter's role--on teams with serious playoff hopes. I'd like to think Rogers, during the length of the season, will be worked in slowly, and MAYBE, assuming he's a quick study, assume a starter's role sometimes in the second half ... but I'm in no hurry to have him being counted on as a big contributor early.

I know many think first rounders should play immediately, but I disagree--at least not on teams that expect to win early. I'd much rather have him eased in slowly behind a vet like Harris, and play ONLY when he's proven he's better than Harris both in terms of good plays he WILL make, and more importantly, in bad plays he WON'T.

While it would be nice to get him some playing time in preseason, and then in nickel packages once the early part of the season rolls around, I won't fret too much that he's NOT getting that until maybe the first four games are done.

Assuming he has to be eased into action come training camp, he'll have the benefit of getting all the classroom and mental rep time, without the pressure of the media and fans screaming and hollering to get the kid in there.

Unless this bone bruise ends up keeping him sidelined through camp and some or all of the preseason games, I'm going to assume he's smart enough to use that time to listen, watch and learn.

*

If anyone has any sow's ears, feel free to send them to me. :)

[Ignatius J.]

It's pretty mediocre news.

The stress fracture is bad, because these things can sometimes never heal correctly and be a detrimental factor through the coarse of the career. If we knew about the stress fracture I don't think he would have been drafted in the first round unless it was clear that he played on it well for a while.

It's always tough to tell though. The bone bruise is a more immediate concern because it will keep him sidelined. If not dealt with correctly it could linger into a season long injury.

[Clutch03]

Originally posted by REDKORN
I got the perfect cure for the injury. Pour some Robitussin on his foot. :laugh:

No Robitussin won't work ... you need Tusin!!

[Pocono]

Originally posted by denverdan
Great news, I thought Nfl network were the first to report this wrong.

The NFL Network first revealed the severity of Rogers's injury during a broadcast yesterday. According to the network, doctors discovered the stress fracture -- which may have been a pre-existing injury -- after examining Rogers's foot. The 5-foot-11, 199-pound cornerback is expected to have his foot reexamined this week.

The Redskins did not provide an update of Rogers's injury yesterday, and his agent, Todd France, could not be reached for comment.

[TaylorPickSix]

i just hope this doesn't mean our first round pick is going to wind up being a nother Toevernius.

[wskin44]

Originally posted by ntotoro
Andyman...

Did Rogers ever know that he had a stress fracture at one time in the past? As hard as it might seem for that to go unnoticed, my Grandpop once had a heart attack and didn't even know until he was asked about it when he had an MRI once.

Nick

I have a brain malfunction and don't even know about it. ;)

[ibrahim]

So what it is now is worse than what we initially thought the injury was? or is it the other way around. It sounds like the bone bruise is worse than the stress fracture, so this is bad news right?

[illone]

Originally posted by wskin44
I have a brain malfunction and don't even know about it. ;)


We've all known about it for some time. Where have you been?


;)

[andyman]

CARLOS ROGERS INJURY UPDATE



ASHBURN, VA – The Washington Redskins today clarified newspaper and broadcast reports that defensive back Carlos Rogers was being treated for a stress fracture in his ankle suffered during a recent workout at Auburn University.



Rogers, the team’s 2005 first-round draft pick, has a first-degree sprain and a bone bruise in his ankle. He is expected to be in a boot and on crutches for two weeks and in a hard bottom shoe for another two weeks. The injury occurred while Rogers was working out at Auburn prior to the team’s June mini-camp.



During his treatment an old stress fracture was revealed, but it is not the primary concern since it had not caused any previous problems.



The team’s main concern is that Rogers’ bone bruise not develop into a non-displaced fracture, which is why he is in the boot and on crutches.



The team expects him to be limited in the early portion of training camp that opens August 1.

[sweet daddy]

Ok....check my post and count the number of times I said that there was more to the story than Barrow having knee tendonitis....Not to pat myself on the back....just pointing this out as I got blasted for it...

Now about Rogers. A bone bruise and a stress fracture are obviously very different. A bone bruise is medically called a contusion and is just bone marrow edema at the site of injury.
A stress fracture is an actual break (really a microfracture) that is not apparent on initiall radiographs. It only becomes apparent once the healing process begins....then you see the new bone forming around the fracture and it has a typical radiographic appearance...therefore you know it is a stress fracture and not an acute fracture...stress fractures usuall complelty heal with out residual radiographic signs...unlike true complete fractures where the bone will usually remain somewhat deformed after it heals...

Now with that knowledge you can see that it would be difficult to look at a radiograph or an MRI and say that this person had a stress fracture in the past. Because they usually heal. You don't put a boot on someone with just a "bone bruise". But you would put a boot on a someone with a stress fracture.

If rogers has a boot on then he probably has a stess fracture...it may not be radiographically aparent at this time.

[chow184]

to clarify the injuries to other skins players

LA-torn knee cartelidge,to be specific, the meniscus

Mike Barrow-scar tissue was acting up from a previous injury


both LA and Barrow are well on their way on the road of revovery

[sweet daddy]

let me also say this....I suppose if a stess fracture was at the very end stages of healing you would see a small amount of extra bone at the fracture site and could deduce that (if it was at the typical site) that this was a healing and almost healed stess fracture...in this instance the patient would not be currently experiencing pain at that site.

Once again it is unusual to immobilize somone with a bone contustion...It would have to be the worst of the worst bone contusions.

[big z]

Originally posted by Clutch03


No Robitussin won't work ... you need Tusin!!


:laugh:


thanks for the info to both Andyman and SweetDaddy. :thumbsup:


as long as he'll reach 100% sometime in the early part of the season? i'll be happy. but it still sucks.

[Warhead36]

I had a bone bruise a few weeks ago. I wrapped it up, put it in ice, it healed completely in about two weeks. Before it healed, I limped around while I walked, hell I even had to hop up and down the stairs, but now I'm just as good as I was beforehand.

So it's good to know Rogers will be okay. Not that I was worried or anything before.

[Monkart]

Thanks for the info guys, hopefully a bone bruise on the ankle is not as bad as on the knee like LaVar's.:cheers:

[flexxskins]

Originally posted by sweet daddy


If rogers has a boot on then he probably has a stess fracture...it may not be radiographically aparent at this time. Just curious, but could'nt the boot be on because of the "first-degree sprain" that andyman's article mentioned?

[e16bball]

Originally posted by sweet daddy
Ok....check my post and count the number of times I said that there was more to the story than Barrow having knee tendonitis....Not to pat myself on the back....just pointing this out as I got blasted for it...



I'm just wondering, why did you think it was not tendinitis?

[stevenaa]

"The team’s main concern is that Rogers’ bone bruise not develop into a non-displaced fracture, which is why he is in the boot and on crutches."

This seems to answer the boot question, but what does it mean. How does a bone bruise turn into a non-displaced fracture? I would assume the concern is that the area where the bone was impacted could be weakened and end up fracturing. Is this correct?

[Blade]

Originally posted by stevenaa
I would assume the concern is that the area where the bone was impacted could be weakened and end up fracturing. Is this correct?

Correct... the bone will be weakened by the bruise and by the inflammitory healing process, making it more likely to be fractured.

[SkinsFanMania]

Originally posted by andyman
Rogers has a bone bruise, not stress fracture. During exams related to bruise it was discovered he had at some time suffered a stress fracture, but it has no bearing on his current situation.

No this is what Arrington had.

[bird_1972]

Took me a while to respond...

Thanks for the info guys. Arrington = bone bruise, Barrow = tendonitis. Got it.

:)

[riggins44]

Originally posted by REDKORN
I got the perfect cure for the injury. Pour some Robitussin on his foot. :laugh:

No,no, no...don't you know that WD-40 will fix anything. A friend of mine's mother sprays it on her shoulder for arthritis.

So spray the foot with WD-40 and wrap up in up in duct tape and he'll be good to go. :laugh:

[red zone]

Originally posted by sweet daddy
Ok....check my post and count the number of times I said that there was more to the story than Barrow having knee tendonitis....Not to pat myself on the back....just pointing this out as I got blasted for it...

Now about Rogers. A bone bruise and a stress fracture are obviously very different. A bone bruise is medically called a contusion and is just bone marrow edema at the site of injury.
A stress fracture is an actual break (really a microfracture) that is not apparent on initiall radiographs. It only becomes apparent once the healing process begins....then you see the new bone forming around the fracture and it has a typical radiographic appearance...therefore you know it is a stress fracture and not an acute fracture...stress fractures usuall complelty heal with out residual radiographic signs...unlike true complete fractures where the bone will usually remain somewhat deformed after it heals...

Now with that knowledge you can see that it would be difficult to look at a radiograph or an MRI and say that this person had a stress fracture in the past. Because they usually heal. You don't put a boot on someone with just a "bone bruise". But you would put a boot on a someone with a stress fracture.

If rogers has a boot on then he probably has a stess fracture...it may not be radiographically aparent at this time.

Lot's of nice medical lingo Sweet Daddy. However, I think you left out the the sprained aspect of Roger's ankle. Many a sprain has been booted.

Don't let me rain on the conspiracy though.
:2cents:

[red zone]

Lot's of nice medical lingo Sweet Daddy. However, I think you left out the the sprained aspect of Roger's ankle. Many a sprain has been booted.

[Jarvman]

Originally posted by riggins44


No,no, no...don't you know that WD-40 will fix anything. A friend of mine's mother sprays it on her shoulder for arthritis.

So spray the foot with WD-40 and wrap up in up in duct tape and he'll be good to go. :laugh:

Duct tape rules !

[bird_1972]

Originally posted by sweet daddy
Ok....check my post and count the number of times I said that there was more to the story than Barrow having knee tendonitis....Not to pat myself on the back....just pointing this out as I got blasted for it...

Now about Rogers. A bone bruise and a stress fracture are obviously very different. A bone bruise is medically called a contusion and is just bone marrow edema at the site of injury.
A stress fracture is an actual break (really a microfracture) that is not apparent on initiall radiographs. It only becomes apparent once the healing process begins....then you see the new bone forming around the fracture and it has a typical radiographic appearance...therefore you know it is a stress fracture and not an acute fracture...stress fractures usuall complelty heal with out residual radiographic signs...unlike true complete fractures where the bone will usually remain somewhat deformed after it heals...

Now with that knowledge you can see that it would be difficult to look at a radiograph or an MRI and say that this person had a stress fracture in the past. Because they usually heal. You don't put a boot on someone with just a "bone bruise". But you would put a boot on a someone with a stress fracture.

If rogers has a boot on then he probably has a stess fracture...it may not be radiographically aparent at this time.

Daddy,

r u an orthopod?

[HOF44]

Is Rogers agent the same Todd Franz that was our safety a year or two ago????

Good for him if he is. Always seemed like a good guy.

HOF44
BOB

[riggins44]

Originally posted by bird_1972


Daddy,

r u an orthopod?

I think he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express....:laugh:

[sweet daddy]

You guys are correct..."sprained" ankles often are treated with a boot...especially if the MRI showed an injury to a collateral ligament. I really thought the debate was between a bone contusion and a stress fracture.

I am not an orthopod...I am a Musculoskeletal Radiologist...so I know a lot more about the diagnosis of sports injuries than the treatment...I also stayed at a holiday inn express last night.

I never thought Barrows injury was simply tendonitis because it just doesn't take that long to heal....unless you continue to stress it to early....and he clearly had plenty of lay off...I mean he layed off enough to get atrophied muscles in his leg....

[Storm]

not sure how this is good news. He only had a stress fracture before, now he has a bone bruise too.

[Walking Deadman]

Glad to know people thought the Tussin joke by Chris Rock was hilarious also.

Rub the Tussin in.....Rub it in good.

[Woofer]

I'm so confused!

[Sonny Joe Hog]

Originally posted by riggins44


No,no, no...don't you know that WD-40 will fix anything. A friend of mine's mother sprays it on her shoulder for arthritis.

So spray the foot with WD-40 and wrap up in up in duct tape and he'll be good to go. :laugh:

Spray Windex on it! That is the true cure-all. And, of course, wrap it in duck tape.

[Mooney]

Originally posted by Jarvman
Duct tape rules !



West Virginia sheet metal.

[autographcollector]

Robitussin does the trick every time...

[Shotgunner]

Sounds like he should be ok for training camp, I hope.:doh:

[Thinking Skins]

I may be late posting this, but I kinda think Nunyo should be given some slack on this story.

I mean, I thought he was just going by the story originally reported by the NFL Network.

Of corse we want to et the CORRECT story, but this is one mistake that I can understand cause it was done in this big rugh of everybody trying to be the first to report it.

Its not like him working all week on a story and still getting no quotes or naming players wrong or not giving correct stats.

I'm mad at the original source for this one, not the third party delivery-man.

[SkinsNatsFan]

Originally posted by blakman211
I may be late posting this, but I kinda think Nunyo should be given some slack on this story.

I mean, I thought he was just going by the story originally reported by the NFL Network.

Of corse we want to et the CORRECT story, but this is one mistake that I can understand cause it was done in this big rugh of everybody trying to be the first to report it.

Its not like him working all week on a story and still getting no quotes or naming players wrong or not giving correct stats.

I'm mad at the original source for this one, not the third party delivery-man.

But again, the difference is that he writes for the Washington Post, not the local high school paper.

What I would expect would be that the original source got it wrong and the Post investigated and got the actual facts.

Instead the Post has a guy who investigates by watching TV, and his editors not only allow him to do this, they run with the story.

Sensational? Print it.

Facts? Um, I guess they're ok, but there's no phone down here in mom's basement and it's nice and cool so I'm not leavin' to check it out. The TV is a reliable source.

[TK]

Don't let this be the source of your "sources". :)


























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[Dallsux]

Originally posted by andyman
Rogers has a bone bruise, not stress fracture. During exams related to bruise it was discovered he had at some time suffered a stress fracture, but it has no bearing on his current situation.



:jump: :jump: Sweet. Glad to hear it isn't serious.

[Dallsux]

Originally posted by blakman211
I may be late posting this, but I kinda think Nunyo should be given some slack on this story.

I mean, I thought he was just going by the story originally reported by the NFL Network.

Of corse we want to et the CORRECT story, but this is one mistake that I can understand cause it was done in this big rugh of everybody trying to be the first to report it.

Its not like him working all week on a story and still getting no quotes or naming players wrong or not giving correct stats.

I'm mad at the original source for this one, not the third party delivery-man.


It's still irresponsible journalism. At this point, Nunyo has used his "secret" & "super-secret" sources to try to break stories & so often, he gets the details messed up. "Stress fracture" vs. "bone bruise" are 2 totally different things & even though you are blaming the "source" & not the delivery man, the delivery man should have checked his facts again before running with it. Nothing he (Nunyo) says at this point will get by without much scrutiny &/or criticism. He did that to himself.