Comparing QB's (NFC EAST)

[G-Prime]

How do you guys think the QB's in the NFC will stack up against each other.. Obviously McNabb is the man right now.. But can Bledsoe get the Dallas offense back on track behind their ancient oline? Does anyone think that Eli will shake off the rookie mistakes and become Peyton Manning v2.0? Or do you think behind a much improved Redskins Oline, the implimentation of the shotgun and zone blocking for Portis, that Patrick Ramsey will be able to seperate himself among the other QB's in the division?

My QB ranking.

1. McNabb
2. Ramsey
3. Bledsoe
4. Manning

That's how I see it.. Yeah bledsoe is going to be behind an old line but they are experienced. Bledsoe's stats from last year aren't all bad. So we know he can perform behind questionable blocking.

I look for Manning to improve considerably but that still puts him at the bottom of the list. However he'll get plenty of help from Tiki Barber.

Ramsey has the most going for him. The system is being built around him.. Adding the shotgun, and formations designed to get the ball down field. But with options for him under coverage to goto for a quick 5 yards. The running game should also be improved and with the speedy receivers and the return of Jon Jansen, it will be hard for teams to stack 8 in the box to stop portis. This will open up things for both Portis and Ramsey..

I predict a great year for Ramsey..

[Warhead36]

1. McNabb

And thats really it. Too many ?'s surrounding the others.

[Loki]

I have to go with experience and those who have established theirselves:

1. McNabb
2. Bledsoe
3. Ramsey
4. Manning

Ramsey has a good chance for a breakout year and I think that Bledsoe's better years are behind him. Don't sleep on baby Manning......:helmet:

[ntotoro]

Originally posted by Warhead36
1. McNabb

And thats really it. Too many ?'s surrounding the others.

I agree with this post.

We have a QB who hasn't answered every question about his ability and consistency, Dallas as a QB on his way to the glue factory and New York has one who has made it on his name so far. Philly is the only team with an established QB. He does have shortcomings, but he's still the best of the bunch so far.

All we can do is hope Patrick can put it all together.

Nick

[bnacpa]

Taking off my homer glasses I would have to say that until proven otherwise, I think Ramsey is at the bottom or near the bottom of the list. Our O-Line has been horrible for 3 years straight. The last two were disgusting in terms of sacks allowed. Until the unit shows that they can really do a better job of pass protecting, then we will still struggle with the QB play.

With that said, seeing that Ramsey is much more relaxed and confident is a great sign, but he still needs to bring it on the field on gameday.

Mc Nabb is the king of the mountain until dethrowned, but he will be much less effective without Owens. Bledsoe is getting old and may be losing his stuff, but he is still much much more effective than Brunell at this point in their respective careers and Parcells specifically knows how to get the best out of him.

Eli is the wild card here. Towards the end of last year he started to show some real signs of promise for the future, but we don't know if he has the work ethic or the leadership skills of his brother or his father. If he does, then this year he will continue to develop strong and become the value that the Giants placed in him. If not, he will become one of the biggest QB busts in the history of the draft ... but currently that belongs to us with Heath Shuler.

That is why our division is interesting this year. Currently I would rank everyone as follows:

McNabb
Bledsoe
Ramsey
Manning

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by ntotoro


I agree with this post.

We have a QB who hasn't answered every question about his ability and consistency, Dallas as a QB on his way to the glue factory and New York has one who has made it on his name so far. Philly is the only team with an established QB. He does have shortcomings, but he's still the best of the bunch so far.

All we can do is hope Patrick can put it all together.

Nick

Agreed..

Though questions for the redskins will be answered this year.. Ramsey has been given every chance to make this team his. They are changing a lot in scheme to help make him successful.. If he doesn't get it done this year, there are no excuses.

[Drex]

As others have stated,

1. McNabb
2. Bledsoe
3. Ramsey
4. Manning

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Drex
As others have stated,

1. McNabb
2. Bledsoe
3. Ramsey
4. Manning

Not being a homer I just feel Ramsey is going to perform a lot better this year.. We all know he has the physical tools, he just needs to make quicker desicions. He's basically being handed success on a silver platter, the only question in my mind is will he take advantage of it. It's up to him really.

Admittedly I battled back and forth about putting Bledsoe at 2 and Ramsey at 3 but I just think Patrick is going to perform a bit a better..

Heck if memory serves PR had a better QB rating then Bledsoe did last year, and last year we were aweful.

[Mugsy27]

If not, he will become one of the biggest QB busts in the history of the draft ... but currently that belongs to us with Heath Shuler.

no..that currently belongs to the charges and ryan leaf.

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Mugsy27


no..that currently belongs to the charges and ryan leaf. :laugh:

[Soliloquy]

Shuler can't be a complete bust. He beat Dallas. :D

[bnacpa]

Bledsoe didn't have the tools that he will have in Dallas last year.

For Ramsey to really shine, he will have to start doing things that I haven't seen him do too much of so far ... such as throwing the ball to a location that the receiver ends up in, instead of throwing the ball to a receiver once he arrives. That is the biggest issue with his game so far, is that he waits until the receiver is there and the secondary is already catching up so either there is a pick, a batted ball, or if a catch, hardly and yards after the catch. Some of the issues were our receivers not getting a lot of separation, but some of the problems were on the QB holding onto the ball too long. If he has mastered that over the offseason, then I think he has a chance to really shine.

I think that Bledsoe is a class act and I think he will do well under Parcells because he is hungry. He did great in Buffalo his first year there when he was trying to prove that he wasn't washed up from New England. He will try and prove the same here.

But if the O-Line can't perform better, then we are going to get killed. I am a huge Bugel fan, but I was shocked that our O-Line was a horrible as it was last year under his coaching. And what does it say about depth if the whole line goes to crap because one player goes down? We need to have better depth there so that if someone goes down our whole season doens't go with it.

[bnacpa]

I don't know how I forgot about Ryan Leaf ... I definitely stand corrected

[bnacpa]

However, if we keep this in the division ... then it has to be Shuler

[Fifty Gut]

1) McNabb
2) Bledsoe
3) Ramsey
4) Manning

[Skindrodamus]

1. McNabb (by far)

2. Ramsey (to to step up in new offense)/Manning ( has to step up with another year, better targets)/Bledsoe ( has to prove he has a few years left with the Boys)

I believe as of right now they are all in about the same boat under McNabb and only the first part of the season will tell who came out most prepared to make everyone jump up and notice them.

I am of course hoping the Ramsey can get out to a quick, big start and catch the leagues attention.

[Mugsy27]

However, if we keep this in the division ... then it has to be Shuler

nope...then it would be the cowboys...and the return of ryan leaf!! :laugh:

[Chachie]

1. McNabb
2. McNabb
3. McNabb
4. Bledsoe
5. Ramsey and Manning

Bledsoe absolutley has to be ranked above Ramsey because he's got the experience and has been to the playoffs alot.

Eli started to show some nice things at the end of last season.

Patrick Ramsey is my BOY, but he does need to have a huge season to begin climbing the ranks in any comparison to other QBs. A few nice games and alot of potential get you nowhere when you are in the same division as Donovan McNabb.

[Art]

I'd put Ramsey third, behind Bledsoe, because where Bledsoe has not been that good the last few years -- save his new offense in Buffalo beginning -- he has played 16 games and demonstrated the ability to be productive.

Ramsey has moments you like to think can translate into greater performance, but, he's not had to be the primary signal caller for 16 games yet. He's not shown he can take the beating and the grind of a full year yet.

Now, Ramsey's performances expand out to surpass Bledsoe's 2,800 or 2,900 yard seasons, but, until he plays 16 (or most games) and has a year that does, I won't put him ahead of a solid veteran.

Now, Bledsoe has some adjustment and learning to do which will hurt him some but also make him look a lot better early than he's been the last couple of years. The change will make him appear to be a better player this year is my guess. Kind of like how the year in Buffalo at the beginning was his best year in seven.

[Henry]

I agree with the rest of you on this. QB is an easy position to rank in this division:

1. McNabb
2-4. Everyone else (though I'd agree Bledsoe's a very distant 2nd ... so distant it's practically irrelevant.)

Heaven help us when we get to the RB thread though. :)

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Henry
I agree with the rest of you on this. QB is an easy position to rank in this division:

1. McNabb
2-4. Everyone else (though I'd agree Bledsoe's a very distant 2nd ... so distant it's practically irrelevant.)

Heaven help us when we get to the RB thread though. :)

On it

[Walking Deadman]

Mcnabb...clearly #1, he only struggles in the playoffs/SB when he faces the best (or much better) D's in the league.

Also 2-4 (?????)

Bledsoe has a talented NFL history, but can he and Parcells do it again, or is Bledsoe another Vinny T.? Mobility will be an issue, not his arm.

Ramsey also has an arm, but accuracy and reading D's are his biggest issue. PR is tough, a leader and plays with alot of heart.
To me he reminds me alot of Brett Farve in character and ability.
Hopefully Gibbs can get him to reach his potential, but we don't know.

Manning has the pedigree and appeared to gain some grasp of the system by the end of the season. Will he be his brother (nobody in my op. will be P. Manning)? Probably not, but if he hits the books like his brother and gets more experience this year....he could be clearly a solid QB and even better in 2006.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Bledsoe doesn't have Moulds any more.

[[[ghost]]]

Originally posted by Loki
I have to go with experience and those who have established theirselves:

1. McNabb
2. Bledsoe
3. Ramsey
4. Manning

Ramsey has a good chance for a breakout year and I think that Bledsoe's better years are behind him. Don't sleep on baby Manning......:helmet:


hate to say it, but he's right. maybe next year, it'll look a bit different

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull
Bledsoe doesn't have Moulds any more.

No he has Jones.. which is not bad either

[Art]

Originally posted by Gothtimus


No he has Jones.. which is not bad either

You making a joke?

He HAD Henry and McGahee.

A 1,400-yard back his first year, a 1,300-yard back his second year, then an 1,100-yard back in 11 starts his third year in Buffalo. It's hard to take seriously a suggestion Bledsoe is stepping up in the world with Jones at this point. So, again, were you making a joke? :).

It would almost look to me that Bledsoe has weaker receivers and runners now in Dallas while also having a defense that isn't as good as the one he just had. Not sure he's improving his position in life going to Dallas.

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Art


You making a joke?

He HAD Henry and McGahee.

A 1,400-yard back his first year, a 1,300-yard back his second year, then an 1,100-yard back in 11 starts his third year in Buffalo. It's hard to take seriously a suggestion Bledsoe is stepping up in the world with Jones at this point. So, again, were you making a joke? :).

It would almost look to me that Bledsoe has weaker receivers and runners now in Dallas while also having a defense that isn't as good as the one he just had. Not sure he's improving his position in life going to Dallas.

Of course I'm not joking.. Julious Jones is a good running back. he might not have 1400 hundred yards but that's irrelevent. Defenses will need to respect him. He got injured last year, if he hadn't of gotten injured he would of had a pretty good year. He'll have a good year this year. I have to ask if you are joking if you don't think this kid is talented?

[Art]

Originally posted by Gothtimus


Of course I'm not joking.. Julious Jones is a good running back. he might not have 1400 hundred yards but that's irrelevent. Defenses will need to respect him. He got injured last year, if he hadn't of gotten injured he would of had a pretty good year. He'll have a good year this year. I have to ask if you are joking if you don't think this kid is talented?

I don't know how talented he is, though, talent is something in abundance in the NFL. Production is pretty crucial. When someone comments he doesn't have a good receiver like Moulds anymore, for you to comment that he has Jones, a running back, it would suggest you are unaware he had BETTER, more productive running backs in Buffalo so he's certainly not upgrading yet.

Jones could be great and become the key to Bledsoe being very good again. But, your reference to him in reply to someone talking about a receiver he might lack suggests you already put him above more proven players Bledsoe already has at the running back position.

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Art


I don't know how talented he is, though, talent is something in abundance in the NFL. Production is pretty crucial. When someone comments he doesn't have a good receiver like Moulds anymore, for you to comment that he has Jones, a running back, it would suggest you are unaware he had BETTER, more productive running backs in Buffalo so he's certainly not upgrading yet.

Jones could be great and become the key to Bledsoe being very good again. But, your reference to him in reply to someone talking about a receiver he might lack suggests you already put him above more proven players Bledsoe already has at the running back position.

Not to mention I avoided mentioning Johnson and Glenn, two very servicable WR.. Not Moulds calibur anymore but still good players.. My comment wasn't merely pulled from a position stand point and it was a generalization about Jones not being bad either. In all honesty I think Jones will be what carries that team

[VaSkinsNut]

1. McNabb

And thats really it. Too many ?'s surrounding the others.


Quoted for truth. Its McNabb and the rest. Nobody else is impressive. Ramsey hasn't proved anything yet, Bledsoe was cut for a reason, and Manning was as bad as any rookie QB getting playtime last year.

[redskin-one]

1) McNabb
2) Ramsey/Manning
4) Bledsoe

I think Bledsoe lost it. He isn't nearly the qb he was before his injury a few years ago.

[Mugsy27]

frankly...im shocked by the lack of love for Brunell...



























j/k

[Symbol]

Let's see, mine would have to be:

1) P.R.
2) Patrick Ramsey
3) Patrick
4) Ramsey

This is how I see it. You could argue over #'s 1 and 2, but this is how I see it.

[Nomadskin11]

Originally posted by Warhead36
1. McNabb

And thats really it. Too many ?'s surrounding the others.

Yep.

That being said...

Patrick Ramsey #1 in this poll after the season!!

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by Nomadskin11


Yep.

That being said...

Patrick Ramsey #1 in this poll after the season!!

:point2sky

[THEHEREAFTER]

Originally posted by Gothtimus


Ramsey has the most going for him. The system is being built around him.. Adding the shotgun, and formations designed to get the ball down field. But with options for him under coverage to goto for a quick 5 yards. The running game should also be improved and with the speedy receivers and the return of Jon Jansen, it will be hard for teams to stack 8 in the box to stop portis. This will open up things for both Portis and Ramsey..

I predict a great year for Ramsey..

Ramsey has the most going for him? How? McNabb is a perennial pro-bowler coming off a SB year playing with arguably the best supporting cast in the division?

I'm sure every teams coaching staff is doing it's best to put their QB in a position to win and the shotgun was invented a long time ago. Other teams in the division are already using it? I don't see how this is part of Ramsey's analysis.

1. McNabb (I really don't like McNabb's game but I can't deny his production. Great mobility.. Rocket Arm.. and has the best WR maybe in the league.)

2. Bledsoe (experience and rejoining BP and a good supporting cast give him the nod)

3. Manning-- (very talented and I like his mechanics... I like his supporting cast and he just seems to have "it." I was alot more impressed with Manning vs. Ramsey going against Dallas in our last two games.

4. Ramsey--- I'm not trying to bash Ramsey. He could easily move up on this list but based on what I've seen ALREADY this is where I rate him. I think moving up to select Campbell is an indication of how Gibbs must feel as well. He has weapons but lacks a solid go to #1 type of guy. The job is his and the pressure is squarely on his shoulders.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

Manning definitely deserves to be at the bottom of this list. He hasn't done anything yet in the NFL. As to those with questions about his work ethic. From what has been in the media here in New York, he works just as hard as his brother in learning the game and studying film. They say he has been at it almost every day this offseason. The true test will begin in three weeks when camp opens up.

[TaylorPickSix]

Originally posted by Warhead36
1. McNabb

And thats really it. Too many ?'s surrounding the others.
Agreed.

[PapaDRoc]

1. McNabb: Clear-cut best QB in NFC East

2. Ramsey: Has questions surrounding him, give him the homer pick over Manning. Could also be #3.

3. Manning: Also has quesitons surrounding him. Could be #2. IMO, will show improvement from last year because of more experience in the system, plus better supporting cast (Burress).

4. Bledsoe: Questions surrounding him. Not much of an improvement from Testreverde. I see Ramsey and Manning having better seasons.

[HeHateMe]

Although PR may have a better future, theres no way you can put him above Bledsoe right now.

[OldTownFan]

McNabb is a great game changing quaterback, but he is not a Tom Brady in the clutch, of course, when your undefeated in playoff games, who else is..?

Bledsoe would not have been available to begin with for Dallas, if he was still worth his salt, he's old, and though wise, he has not comanded an impressive offense in several seasons now.

Eli Manning is not Payton, and when your older brother is Payton Manning, you may never be close to his level, and I think Eli is going to fall into this category, he may have a good or very good season or two in his career, but I highly doubt he regularly, season in and out puts up the kind of numbers that his older brother does. I've also heard he was a typical college drunk at Ole Miss, something I have never heard about Payton at Tennessee.

Patrick Ramsey is without question the biggest wild card here, potentially, he can be competing with Donovan McNabb as the most effective NFC East quaterback, however, he can also play average ball and compete with Eli Manning and Drew Bledsoe.

If your a cowboys fan, you can't really feel great about an old quaterback like bledsoe, he's obviously not a rebuilding or long term solution. New York is not going to be great until they get rid of that dick coach of theirs...I can't imagine a 23 year old starting quarterback likes the marine sargent either, simply because, how did you feel about those types when you were 23?

But back to Ramsey, this is his year to either step up, or fade away, he's at a fork in the road, and its here and now, no excuses, he gets injured, too bad, he doesnt have any option but to step up and perfrom in his fourth year now....

[flashback]

Originally posted by Gothtimus


Not being a homer I just feel Ramsey is going to perform a lot better this year.. We all know he has the physical tools, he just needs to make quicker desicions. He's basically being handed success on a silver platter, the only question in my mind is will he take advantage of it. It's up to him really.

Admittedly I battled back and forth about putting Bledsoe at 2 and Ramsey at 3 but I just think Patrick is going to perform a bit a better..

Heck if memory serves PR had a better QB rating then Bledsoe did last year, and last year we were aweful.

Not hating on you, Goth-dude, but your memory serves... poorly.

Ramsey's rating last year was 74.4, Bledsoe put up a 76.6.

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by THEHEREAFTER


Ramsey has the most going for him? How? McNabb is a perennial pro-bowler coming off a SB year playing with arguably the best supporting cast in the division?

I'm sure every teams coaching staff is doing it's best to put their QB in a position to win and the shotgun was invented a long time ago. Other teams in the division are already using it? I don't see how this is part of Ramsey's analysis.

1. McNabb (I really don't like McNabb's game but I can't deny his production. Great mobility.. Rocket Arm.. and has the best WR maybe in the league.)

2. Bledsoe (experience and rejoining BP and a good supporting cast give him the nod)

3. Manning-- (very talented and I like his mechanics... I like his supporting cast and he just seems to have "it." I was alot more impressed with Manning vs. Ramsey going against Dallas in our last two games.

4. Ramsey--- I'm not trying to bash Ramsey. He could easily move up on this list but based on what I've seen ALREADY this is where I rate him. I think moving up to select Campbell is an indication of how Gibbs must feel as well. He has weapons but lacks a solid go to #1 type of guy. The job is his and the pressure is squarely on his shoulders.

I was referring in means of success. He's been given everything he needs to succeed. That wasn't a knock on the talent of the other QB's. It was actually maybe a little shot at Ramsey. As any excuse for lack of performance should not be tolerated this year.

Sorry for the misunderstanding

[G-Prime]

Originally posted by flashback


Not hating on you, Goth-dude, but your memory serves... poorly.

Ramsey's rating last year was 74.4, Bledsoe put up a 76.6.

heh, now you've done it!, you went and made me go looking for stats =).

Patrick Ramsey - 74.8
Drew Bledsoe - 76.6

So yep you were right, Drew squeeks over Patrick just a little bit..

That damn Giants GAME!! :laugh: