Oh I hate to be a I told you so but

[hands11]

for all of you that thaught I was so nuts, time to eat crow.

I was talking about getting ride of either Gil or Hughes going into last season for several reasons, and this was one of them.

Larry was going to come due and we could have gotten something for him last year. Now if this deal is true, we get nothing.

I thought Larry and Gil were to much the same style player and we needed a real PG. Larry was more likely to go because Gil was signed long term.

Oh when are youll ever going to learn.

Anyway, to everyone who said I was nuts, stupid, crazy, blah blah blah.

Time to eat crow.

[PapaDRoc]

You're crazy.;)

[hands11]

Originally posted by PapaDRoc
You're crazy.;)

Like a Fox :laugh:

[LiveStrongSkins]

Looking back... it woulda burned us at the time but it sure looks smart now :laugh:

[tundey]

No you are still crazy. Just because Larry left via FA doesn't mean EG got rid of him because of your reasoning. If Larry had left 2 years down the road, would you have claimed to be right?

Tundey
Originally posted by hands11
for all of you that thaught I was so nuts, time to eat crow.

I was talking about getting ride of either Gil or Hughes going into last season for several reasons, and this was one of them.

Larry was going to come due and we could have gotten something for him last year. Now if this deal is true, we get nothing.

I thought Larry and Gil were to much the same style player and we needed a real PG. Larry was more likely to go because Gil was signed long term.

Oh when are youll ever going to learn.

Anyway, to everyone who said I was nuts, stupid, crazy, blah blah blah.

Time to eat crow.

[Spaceman Spiff]

larry, i kind of understand...getting rid of gil? you'd be a fool

[LiveStrongSkins]

Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
larry, i kind of understand...getting rid of gil? you'd be a fool

Agreed. Anyone who would even think about trading away a player who at 23 is already a franchise player is lacking proper brain cells. Most guys at 23 are just starting to come into the league, arenas has already made the all star team and carried the team on his back through long stretches of the season. If the wizards ever got rid of arenas that would be the darkest day in franchise history.

[Renegade7]

The man made all-defensive team and still got lite up and ate up by Wade. Hughes can go, man. No way you pay 12 million dollars to a player that prone to being destroyed by someone in your own division. No way do you keep him with so many other holes to fill and players to resign. He's almost like the wizards' version of Fred Smoot. Shame we didn't get anything for him, but there's nothing any of us can do about it now.

[Alvin_Walton40]

I will take the playoff season we just had. We wouldn't have gotten there w/o Larry. Short term thinking yes, but well worth it.

[Gamebreaker]

You are under the assumption we got rid of Hughes, which is far from the truth. EG wanted Hughes back, but he wanted too much money and went elsewhere. Now how can you hate to be a "I told you so" when so obviously jumped the gun on this entire thread! hahahaa

[BayouBrave86]

Alright hands, try and call what the Wizards will do for the rest of the offseason.

[hands11]

Originally posted by tundey
No you are still crazy. Just because Larry left via FA doesn't mean EG got rid of him because of your reasoning. If Larry had left 2 years down the road, would you have claimed to be right?

Tundey


No

Because that wasnt what I was projection or suggesting.

What just happened was. Including the year that it happened.

Besides, you have 60 posts. I doesnt look like you were around last year at this time when we were dicussing all of this so how about keep your nose out of this. I dont think I was talking to you.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Originally posted by Gamebreaker
You are under the assumption we got rid of Hughes, which is far from the truth. EG wanted Hughes back, but he wanted too much money and went elsewhere. Now how can you hate to be a "I told you so" when so obviously jumped the gun on this entire thread! hahahaa

Yeah, but EG was wise enough not to overpay for him, which some people think the Cavs did for hughes. More money than Gil? no way.

Hands, lay off the new guy, it doesn't matter if he was here or not, he's got his right to his opinion. You don't have to be a grumpy knowitall all the time ;)

[hands11]

Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
larry, i kind of understand...getting rid of gil? you'd be a fool

Well at the time things looked different.

Besides, I was just saying between the 2 of them one was going to not be here because they both were to similar in a lot of way, most of which was both wanted ot be the star guard.

Gil hadent broken out like he did this year but the arguement was its easier to get ride of Hughes and we needed to trade something to get something. That something I wanted was a star forward,

I didnt dream EG was going to be able to do that by trading Stack.

Things worked out ok in my book. Well move on from here.

We rolled the dice that we would be able to resign him but we didnt. Thats ok.

[RWJ]

Maybe we trade Brown and next year's 2nd round pick to the Suns for Johnson?

[hands11]

Originally posted by Gamebreaker
You are under the assumption we got rid of Hughes, which is far from the truth. EG wanted Hughes back, but he wanted too much money and went elsewhere. Now how can you hate to be a "I told you so" when so obviously jumped the gun on this entire thread! hahahaa

As usually Game, your way off.

I am not under that assumption.

Your posts about my views in wrong. Actually what your possition as your view is my view. Actually its obvious that the true that EG wanted him back. So did I, but not for that money.
I already posted that.

I never did understand any of your replays to my posts.

Still dont.

[hands11]

Originally posted by BayouBrave86
Alright hands, try and call what the Wizards will do for the rest of the offseason.

I just posted this somewhere else so here it is.

I know what Im good at and I know what Im not good at.

Im better at evaluating the talent I see often. I know our guys well but I dont watch the who NBA as closely. I know some players but not all these players that are being tossed around.

I do read up on them as they are mentioned but Im still learning about them.

There are people on this board that know a lot more players then I do. EG knows who they are better then I do.

Id be fine if we keep what we have for one more season before doing anything big. If EG wants to add a small piece, Id feel good about that. I dont think we need any blockbuster stuff. Well at least I dont want to see a multi player deal. If you can get something for Kwame 1 to 1 ok. I start to like it less if we loose Hayes or Jefferies. Id even be ok with Kwame returning for a 1 year deal but that sounds less and less likely from what Im reading.

So, Id be ok with doing nothing. Id also be ok with a less major addition or something bigger if it comes 1 on 1 from Kwame.

But honestly, I leave this to EG. I trust what he will do. I also think there are other on this board that know more players then I do so I have no strong prediction moving forward.

I would guess EG will bring in someone to challenge Hayes for the 2. We already have someone to challeng Jefferies, we just drafted him.

With all our hurt players returning and with so many young players growing, I want to keep it stable one more year before trading, etc players away.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff


Yeah, but EG was wise enough not to overpay for him, which some people think the Cavs did for hughes. More money than Gil? no way.

Hands, lay off the new guy, it doesn't matter if he was here or not, he's got his right to his opinion. You don't have to be a grumpy knowitall all the time ;)

whhhoop

come on people. tongue and cheek.

[Gamebreaker]

Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff


Yeah, but EG was wise enough not to overpay for him, which some people think the Cavs did for hughes. More money than Gil? no way.

Oh, most definitely. I was just saying that EG's decision was purely financial, and had nothing to do with Larry's shortcomings.

[Gamebreaker]

Originally posted by hands11


As usually Game, your way off.

I am not under that assumption.

Your posts about my views in wrong. Actually what your possition as your view is my view. Actually its obvious that the true that EG wanted him back. So did I, but not for that money.
I already posted that.

I never did understand any of your replays to my posts.

Still dont.

It's actually quite simple, Hands.

You said in your first post that we should eat crow because you predicted we would "get rid" of Hughes. These are your exact words:

I was talking about getting ride of either Gil or Hughes going into last season for several reasons, and this was one of them.

For us to actually get rid of him, we would not have wanted to come back, we would not have offered him a lucrative contract, these are not the actions of a team that is trying to get rid of a player.

You may have been correct that Hughes would not stay with this team, but your reasoning wasn't. Absolutely nothing to call the board out on. :)

[jbooma]

Originally posted by hands11
for all of you that thaught I was so nuts, time to eat crow.

I was talking about getting ride of either Gil or Hughes going into last season for several reasons, and this was one of them.

Larry was going to come due and we could have gotten something for him last year. Now if this deal is true, we get nothing.

I thought Larry and Gil were to much the same style player and we needed a real PG. Larry was more likely to go because Gil was signed long term.

Oh when are youll ever going to learn.

Anyway, to everyone who said I was nuts, stupid, crazy, blah blah blah.

Time to eat crow.

if we got rid of them last year then we wouldn't have made the playoffs and had the best season in wizards history the last 25 so years, so you need to continue to eat your crap opps meant crow :laugh:

[hands11]

Originally posted by Gamebreaker


It's actually quite simple, Hands.

You said in your first post that we should eat crow because you predicted we would "get rid" of Hughes. These are your exact words:

For us to actually get rid of him, we would not have wanted to come back, we would not have offered him a lucrative contract, these are not the actions of a team that is trying to get rid of a player.

You may have been correct that Hughes would not stay with this team, but your reasoning wasn't. Absolutely nothing to call the board out on. :)

Wow, Amazing. You are the only thing quite simple here.

Let me explain real slow so you can follow.

Yes, from that perspective in time the English language requires that I describe things a certain way.

At that time I was saying it, last year. The right way to describe what I was suggesting we do would be for us " to choose to "get ride" of one of them " before we where in the situation where Hughes would leave even if we wanted him to stay and in leaving we get nothing in return because he was a UFA.

My reasoning was exactly correct and it is what happened.

And Im not calling out the "board" only bone heads like you who couldnt see what was likely to happen and scoffed at a reasonable plan of action at the time, calling it crazy.

--


I "was" talking about getting ride of either Gil or Hughes going into last season for several reasons, and this was one of them.

( the whole post is at the beginning so you cant take one sentence out and twist it to try to show your view.
--
"was" as in, past tense. I had talked about ( getting ride of ) as in - at that time neither could leave so we "would ( past tense ) have ( had ) to get (ride of ) one of them while we could have still gotten something for one of them.

Hughes was the more likely candidate to go. Read what I wrote for once.

EG kept Hughes because he is amazing. EG didnt have to dangle Hughes because he did what I was suggesting ( get a vet Forward ) only he used what none of us dreamed possible to do it, he used ****house.

In doing so he bought a year to see not only what Larry could do but the opprotunity to resign him.

But the point stands as I was making these suggestion before the AJ trade as a way of getting an AJ knowing Hughes would be a UFA. This when people like you jumped on me saying it was stupid and seeing what has just happened is the fact to support it was a very viable way to grow the team.

EG did it a different way and rolled the dice. I think he is doing fine and totally support his choices.

[hands11]

Originally posted by jbooma


if we got rid of them last year then we wouldn't have made the playoffs and had the best season in wizards history the last 25 so years, so you need to continue to eat your crap opps meant crow :laugh:

You cant prove that even if it looks that way.

Who know what would have happen with him not here or with the player he would have brought in return.

Thats a silly arguement.

[Gamebreaker]

You know what, I'm going to take the high road and not even respond to obviously a flammatory post intended to start something. I didn't take anyone's words and twist them, I quoted you word for word and somehow you try to claim differently. Everything you CLAIM you were trying to say in your first post wasn't even there, so am I suppose to be a mind-reader?

Whatever. Whether you answer or not doesn't matter to me. This was a perfectly fine discussion until you started name-calling like a 5 year old, act your age...for once.

[triple6mafia]

larry's value last year was nothing compared to what it is now. And i would have rather had this happen and been through the playoffs then experience another "rebuilding" year with young players.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Gamebreaker
You know what, I'm going to take the high road and not even respond to obviously a flammatory post intended to start something. I didn't take anyone's words and twist them, I quoted you word for word and somehow you try to claim differently. Everything you CLAIM you were trying to say in your first post wasn't even there, so am I suppose to be a mind-reader?

Whatever. Whether you answer or not doesn't matter to me. This was a perfectly fine discussion until you started name-calling like a 5 year old, act your age...for once.

Its ground hog day. I walked this path with you to many times.
You make the same misunderstanding and twists. Even when its all there is black and white you say up is down and down is up, then the same exit strategy each time.

I guess it was asking to much to you to admit my view was valid over a year ago when you acted the same way you are now. But now we have more facts to support my view and you still cant see it.

Whatever. Go Wiz.

[hands11]

Originally posted by triple6mafia
larry's value last year was nothing compared to what it is now. And i would have rather had this happen and been through the playoffs then experience another "rebuilding" year with young players.


Hey, things worked out ok the way it happened. Im cool with that.

Keep in mind, I was making these suggestion prior to the AJ deal.
When we got AJ for Shack it was less urgant to move Hughes but the underling reasons was still there.

EG is a great GM. Rolling right along.

[skinsarethebest]

Actually, I had an inkling that hughes might be gone as I watched him play during the playoffs -- in my mind, he was the opposite of Arenas -- far from clutch, and even more selfish, much more selfish than Arenas, in terms of not sharing the ball than his teammates -- if even I, a casual observer, noticed this, I think it probably wasn't lost on Wizards management either

[jbooma]

Originally posted by hands11


You cant prove that even if it looks that way.

Who know what would have happen with him not here or with the player he would have brought in return.

Thats a silly arguement.

Yes you can just look at past history. The reason why the wiz were so good last year because Hughes and Arenas had a year under their belts.

You remind me of Jay Mariotti, just talking out loud on a lot of things you have no clue on and then when you get one you tell everyone I told you so :laugh:

Plus aren't you the one screaming for EJ's job all last year, when he was one of the best coaches there was, just didn't have much to use.

[herrmag]

Originally posted by hands11
for all of you that thaught I was so nuts, time to eat crow.

I was talking about getting ride of either Gil or Hughes going into last season for several reasons, and this was one of them.

Larry was going to come due and we could have gotten something for him last year. Now if this deal is true, we get nothing.

I thought Larry and Gil were to much the same style player and we needed a real PG. Larry was more likely to go because Gil was signed long term.

Oh when are youll ever going to learn.

Anyway, to everyone who said I was nuts, stupid, crazy, blah blah blah.

Time to eat crow.

You're right. By keeping him last year, we only got to see what this town hasn't seen in a long time; the second round of the playoffs. If you hate to say "I told you so", then DON'T.

[Sebowski]

Originally posted by Alvin_Walton40
I will take the playoff season we just had. We wouldn't have gotten there w/o Larry. Short term thinking yes, but well worth it.

I agree completely.

Actualy winning a playoff series did more for this team than what you would have gotten for Hughes.


I REGRET NOTHING!!!!!!!:point2sky

[hands11]

Originally posted by jbooma


Yes you can just look at past history. The reason why the wiz were so good last year because Hughes and Arenas had a year under their belts.

You remind me of Jay Mariotti, just talking out loud on a lot of things you have no clue on and then when you get one you tell everyone I told you so :laugh:

Plus aren't you the one screaming for EJ's job all last year, when he was one of the best coaches there was, just didn't have much to use.

Thats obserd and no I wasnt the one calling for EJ head.
So you are wrong on that count and also wrong that I just toss a bunch of ideas in the air and call out when I am right about one. I cant help it Im right a lot of the time. Dont be a hater because of that.

As for EJ. I was the one who accurately could see both his strength will admitting he had some short comings. Short coming that were both annoying and that cost us games. But I said we should keep him. He is growing and getting better. I said, he gets at least through this past year and 1/2 through this coming year to show what he can do. At that point we will know if he should get a longer term contract. See that we made the playoffs and won some games. I would very very suprised if he didnt get all of next season. EG is still evaluating him. He has to show he can make adjustments and not be married to this Prinston offense. He also has to prove he can design, teach or hire someone who can, DEFENSE.

Yes, Hughes had a lot to do with us winning but we won without him also. I was a huge Hughes fan. I only wish he could have been more of the team player. He would have been even better.

Its hard to say what would have happen because it wasnt just Hughes in or Hughes out. There were other injuries that effected team play such as AJ, Etan, Hayes, Jefferies, Kwame, Dixon, Blake.
Lots of other injuries. There is no way of actually proving what would have happened becuase it didnt. Its all just spectulation.
It was a great season though.

So lets move forward with what we have. Ill continue to make accurate predictions as a see them, then boast about them when Im right so you can tell me I wasnt, change my view 180 degrees, and make up opinions for me.

[da#1skinsfan]

Alright genius. The only reason Im even posting on this is to show how much of a toolbag you really are. Do you not have anything better to do than go on an internet forum and brag to people you dont know about how you thought we should trade Larry last year because he wouldnt resign? NO ****. This is 2005, theres a 50/50 chance the player bolts...whoever offers the cash gets the guy. You really made a shocking prediction there!

Anyway, I got into a discussion with you about Larry not long ago. Heres some excerpts oh so wise one.

Originally posted by hands11
But Larry, he can play his whole game no matter whos on the court with him. Thats a star.

Good prediction. He really shut down Miami huh!? And for the record, Larry ranked 17th in PPG in the playoffs, and Gil had more steals than the oh-so-great defender.

Originally posted by hands11
Hes committed to this team and its players.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight!

Originally posted by hands11
He fills the stat line

Ranks #18 in the NBA in Points Per Game(21.2)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(2.91)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(220.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Steals(96.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover(1.28)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Triple-doubles(1.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(3.75)
Ranks #14 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(22.15)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(28.55)

FG% 3% FT% RB AST ST PTS
.437 .337 .773 5.90 5.4 2.91 21.2


My response:

Originally posted by me
And cmon man, your stats are through not EVEN half a season. Talk to me at the end of the year and lets see if those rankings are the same. If they are, then great, I agree, he had a hell of a year. But he still makes intangible mistakes....this is a team sport, you cant paint a picture of a players success solely based on #'s. Especially #'s through 30some games.

Yours:

Originally posted by hands11
Agreed. Lets look at his stats after the all star break cuz, they have only been going up. He started slow. His stats are actually low compared to were I think they will end up.

OK, so lets see where those stats ended up:
PPG - #14 (although he technically didnt play enough games to be officially ranked, so im not sure where he really is)

Steals - #1

Freethrows - #23

Total Steals - #3

Steals per turnover - #4

(efficiency per 48 min and steals per 48 i couldnt find so i omitted)

Triple Doubles - Tied for 7th with a ton of other players with ONE

Efficiency - #18

So, Nostradamus.....lets just reiterate:

Originally posted by hands11
Agreed. Lets look at his stats after the all star break cuz, they have only been going up. He started slow. His stats are actually low compared to were I think they will end up.

And what do we have? His stats went up in ONE category, and its not even officially ranked because he didnt play enough games. Good job buddy! Way to make an accurate prediction!!!

We could go on and on. Bottom line, youre a dick. Im upset at myself for taking the 10 minutes it took to compile this information out of my life, but its literally unbelievable to me how one guy really thinks he needs to prove to the internet world of people he doesnt know, how basketball saavy he is, when his own words contradict himself.

To summarize...

Larrys numbers did not get better through the season.

Larry turned out to not be a team player.

Larry cannot perform against anyone in the league.

And you do not know everything.

And you should be the one "eating crow"

Later buddy.

For the record, my argument was that we shouldnt pay him big money. It looks like, while you didnt agree, Ernie Grunfeld, Abe Pollin, etc etc...well, they all did. More insight from Hands11 is what we all need!!!

[hands11]

Ahh, Looser . Time to look in the mirror dude.

http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=87792&perpage=15&display=&highlight=Points%20Per%20Game21.2&pagenumber=2

Yeah, lets take a few lines out of everything that has been posted to try to make your stupid point. Please.

First off, I stand by everything I posted in this thread.

Also, Larry got INJURIED. Hello. He missed about 20 something games right when he was in the middle of these rising stats.

Most people would agree he deserved to be an NBA all star but he got hurt.

Besides that, he did finish with his points up, and #1 in steals.
Number of triple doubles ?

Here are the players ahead of him and in line with him. Pretty good company.

1. Jason Kidd (New Jersey Nets) 8
2. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers) 5
3. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers) 4
3. Chris Webber (Philadelphia 76ers) 4
5. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics) 2
5. Damon Stoudamire (Portland Trail Blazers) 2
7. Mike Bibby (Sacramento Kings) 1
7. Baron Davis (Golden State Warriors) 1
7. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves) 1
7. Larry Hughes (Washington Wizards) 1
7. Andre Iguodala (Philadelphia 76ers) 1
7. Steve Nash (Phoenix Suns) 1
7. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat) 1

The 2 players with 2, each played 80 games. 20 something more then Larry. Hmmm, can you spell NBA STARS.

Nice try but I dont think your post does much.

Hey, no one bitched more about Larrys ball hogging down the stretch then me and Mad. At the end of the season, even with his stats I thought they should bring him back if they keep his money in line with Gils and AJs. Somewhere around 10-13M a year would have been far. I would have perferred no more then Gil.

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

I havent seen anyone say we didnt keep him based on talent.
It was about the money. Well, the money is about ABE. I said as much. We could have kept him if Abe would spend more. We are in the middle of the pack regarding salaries.

Is Jamison worth 2005 $13,843,157 $15,101,626 $16,360,095

More then we could have gotten Larry for ?

http://www.nba.com/wizards/stats/2004/index.html

We have Gil on the cheap because we signed him before he broke out.

Yeah, Larry sucked in the playoffs. He was to self reliant and hungry for his first playoff visit with this team. I was all over him for doing this. Guess what, Gil didnt post great numbers either.

I think he would have corrected that coming into next season having gotten there and wanting to go deeper, and having his future mapped with this team.


But none of this has anything to do with why I was calling some people out. It was because of the reaction I got from them when I suggested a year and a half ago that we consider moving Larry to get a player like AJ because we needed a Vet F more then a SG and Larry contract was coming due. Never mind. I keep forgetting to ignore people like you.

[da#1skinsfan]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Keep on justifying your idiocy.

I pointed out some point blank statements you made where you were wrong. Theres no backing out of that one. The whole point of this thread is that youre so basketball smart, you know the future, you know whats going to happen with the team, you predicted this would happen...well why didnt you predict his season ending stats Nostradummy?

Funny, Im the loser, Im the idiot, when you started a thread to tell people who dont like you (who dont really know you if I may add), that you know everything. Said people who dont like you begin to blast you, 30 vs 1 in this thread, and you love it.

Sounds to me like a classic case of someone with nothing better to do than argue with people he doesnt know. Me on the other hand, well my friend, like I said, I spent too much time on this already...you've shown everyone youre an ass and Ive confirmed you didnt predict ****, which is what this entire community has also verified in this thread.

Im done, I dont really care which way you take it, I just think youre lame and couldnt help myself. Later buddy!

[Chachie]

Originally posted by tundey
No you are still crazy. Just because Larry left via FA doesn't mean EG got rid of him because of your reasoning. If Larry had left 2 years down the road, would you have claimed to be right?

Tundey



:laugh:

I gotta agree with this guy, Hands. You can't claim swami at this point.:)

[Bugs']

Since this is the thing with hands11.....he speculates about anything and ever scenerio that one is bound to be true now and again.....

And be honest hands11, you love to say, "I told you so".....


;)

[jbooma]

Originally posted by Bugs'
Since this is the thing with hands11.....he speculates about anything and ever scenerio that one is bound to be true now and again.....

And be honest hands11, you love to say, "I told you so".....


;)

Bingo, and then cries when we prove him wrong :laugh:

[TODD]

Options going into '04-'05:

a) Wreck team chemistry established through offseason workouts and prior seasons by trading the guy who was our 1b offensive option for some power forward.

b) Kept Larry Hughes (who ended up having an All-Star season and led us to round 2)

Which power forward hands? Had you given a legitimate option or trade deal that could have feasibly worked out, then maybe you would have "called it". Guess what? You didn't call anything.

Should the Redskins have traded Smoot before the season because he was going to "come due" (whatever that means)?

You can't in hindsight say we should have traded Hughes before the season. He was a top 15 player in the NBA last year. He was our best defensive player. He was a top 5 NBA defender. It would have been smart to trade him if we were 12th in the East in February again. We weren't, and EG made a fantastic decision to keep LH for the '04'-'05 season. That's why you post on here, and EG works in the FO.

[hands11]

Originally posted by da#1skinsfan
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Keep on justifying your idiocy.

I pointed out some point blank statements you made where you were wrong. Theres no backing out of that one. The whole point of this thread is that youre so basketball smart, you know the future, you know whats going to happen with the team, you predicted this would happen...well why didnt you predict his season ending stats Nostradummy?

Funny, Im the loser, Im the idiot, when you started a thread to tell people who dont like you (who dont really know you if I may add), that you know everything. Said people who dont like you begin to blast you, 30 vs 1 in this thread, and you love it.

Sounds to me like a classic case of someone with nothing better to do than argue with people he doesnt know. Me on the other hand, well my friend, like I said, I spent too much time on this already...you've shown everyone youre an ass and Ive confirmed you didnt predict ****, which is what this entire community has also verified in this thread.

Im done, I dont really care which way you take it, I just think youre lame and couldnt help myself. Later buddy!

First, your wrong about the whole point of this thread. It was first off, in fun. A tongue and cheek chest thumping mostly. It wasnt targeted at the whole board but just about 3 people who I was going back and forth with about this point.

The ending year stats predection I addressed.

As for you being a looser. I say that because you are the one being so angry about this whole thing. Hey, I have tried to mend to many fences on this board between folks that were bickering for me to be lectured by you about knowing and not knowing people here and how to get along. It always comes back to fun and were all Wiz fans here.

Actually I prefer to agrue with people I do know.

As for you spending to much time on this thread. I do agree there. I dont think you were one of the people I was even talking about. I dont recall you in the banter about this issue over a year ago. Not sure why you got involved to begin with.

It seem hipocritical that your talking about not knowing people yet you can call me an A hole. You dont know me. And Im sure if you did, you wouldnt be calling me that.


Anyway, I only started calling you names because you started in on me and I know it would get your goat. I guess that wasnt such a nice thing to do.

If you dont want to agrue with someone, why start in halfway down a thread like this..... You start in by calling me a toolbag. I didnt start in on your that way....

Alright genius. The only reason Im even posting on this is to show how much of a toolbag you really are. Do you not have anything better to do than go on an internet forum and brag to people you dont know about how you thought we should trade Larry last year because he wouldnt resign? NO ****. This is 2005, theres a 50/50 chance the player bolts...whoever offers the cash gets the guy. You really made a shocking prediction there!

Anyway, I got into a discussion with you about Larry not long ago. Heres some excerpts oh so wise one.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Chachie



:laugh:

I gotta agree with this guy, Hands. You can't claim swami at this point.:)

Et Tu Brutus :laugh:

Originally posted by tundey
No you are still crazy. Just because Larry left via FA doesn't mean EG got rid of him because of your reasoning. If Larry had left 2 years down the road, would you have claimed to be right?

Tundey

Not you Chachie.

I didn't say EG got ride of him so this post doesnt even make sence.

I said, "I" suggested EG would have traded him over a year ago to get a player like AJ because "I" didnt see how we would be able to get an AJ without giving something up. I though adding a vet leader like an AJ was more important.

EG is GOD. He did it using Craphouse as bait. This was beyond what my tiny brain could have imagined possible. Once that happened, the main problem was addressed. At that point in time, the only reason you would have moved Hughes was, contract coming do and "if" EG would have concluded a pro style PG was more import to this team then waiting to see if Gil could be a PG. Hey, I would have to give some serious thought to, would I have traded Hughes for someone like Nash. Would the team be better off ?

The point was " over a year ago " in that time frame, in that context, trading Hughes for an AJ was a valid option. Part of the reason it was valid was him coming due this year. Part was him and Gil ball hoging to much so we never would get a post game developed.

I saw 2 needs we had at the time and though you have to give somethng to get something. Since Hughes contract was coming due, I was just suggesting we use him as bait while we can to better the total team.

[hands11]

Originally posted by TODD
Options going into '04-'05:

a) Wreck team chemistry established through offseason workouts and prior seasons by trading the guy who was our 1b offensive option for some power forward.

b) Kept Larry Hughes (who ended up having an All-Star season and led us to round 2)

Which power forward hands? Had you given a legitimate option or trade deal that could have feasibly worked out, then maybe you would have "called it". Guess what? You didn't call anything.

Should the Redskins have traded Smoot before the season because he was going to "come due" (whatever that means)?

You can't in hindsight say we should have traded Hughes before the season. He was a top 15 player in the NBA last year. He was our best defensive player. He was a top 5 NBA defender. It would have been smart to trade him if we were 12th in the East in February again. We weren't, and EG made a fantastic decision to keep LH for the '04'-'05 season. That's why you post on here, and EG works in the FO.

Yeah I did actually.