Lets not forget another option is PG

[hands11]

A few of us liked the idea of bringing in a pure PG who is experienced such as a J Kidd to run the show for a few years and teach Gil the ropes if he was to stay a PG or maybe just put him at his nature possition and leave him there.

Gil can light it up as a 2.

We could bring in a true PG who can score but he doesnt have to put up 20+ if he can run the team.

This could be what EG does.

[Destino]

The problem with that is that we lost a major scoring option, and we can't replace that with a passer. If we go that route then we need to pick up a scorer up front. I don't see Jeffries, Haywood, Ruffin, Thomas, or Blatche putting up a reliable 15 a game if needed.

[Warhead36]

I think Haywood will break out this year and have a stat line in the 15 ppg 10 rpg range. He had a monster playoffs and is only getting better.

[mad4comp]

Originally posted by Destino
The problem with that is that we lost a major scoring option, and we can't replace that with a passer. If we go that route then we need to pick up a scorer up front. I don't see Jeffries, Haywood, Ruffin, Thomas, or Blatche putting up a reliable 15 a game if needed.

Haywood is good only when a PG/SG drives and dishes off, and most of the time hughes just decided to drive and do everything by himself.

Get a true pg and Haywood/Kwame will get plenty of touches and increased scoring as a result.

That makes up for some of the pts put up by Hughes, so if we could get Mobley as well as say....Antonio Daniels to come off the bench that would be better than having hughes. So we dont need to get a good scorer up front but I'd take Shareef if we cant get Mobley.

PG - Arenas - 25 ppg
SG - Mobley - 18 ppg
SF - Jamison - 20 ppg
PF - Brown - 10 ppg
C - Haywood - 15 ppg

Bench:
Daniels - 12 ppg
Hayes - 10 ppg
Dixon (if we keep him) - 10 ppg
Jeffries - 6 ppg
Etan/Ruffin - 5-10 ppg

:cheers:

I'd say thats a better lineup than what we had last season. For defensive lockdowns we can have both Daniels and Mobley out there.

[Destino]

Originally posted by mad4comp


Haywood is good only when a PG/SG drives and dishes off, and most of the time hughes just decided to drive and do everything by himself.

Get a true pg and Haywood/Kwame will get plenty of touches and increased scoring as a result.

That makes up for some of the pts put up by Hughes, so if we could get Mobley as well as say....Antonio Daniels to come off the bench that would be better than having hughes. So we dont need to get a good scorer up front but I'd take Shareef if we cant get Mobley.

PG - Arenas - 25 ppg
SG - Mobley - 18 ppg
SF - Jamison - 20 ppg
PF - Brown - 10 ppg
C - Haywood - 15 ppg

Bench:
Daniels - 12 ppg
Hayes - 10 ppg
Dixon (if we keep him) - 10 ppg
Jeffries - 6 ppg
Etan/Ruffin - 5-10 ppg

:cheers:

I'd say thats a better lineup than what we had last season. For defensive lockdowns we can have both Daniels and Mobley out there.

I have a problem with the idea that we have to rely on two players that can't create their own shot to supply the reliable scoring we lost. I understand that your forwards and centers rely greatly on your PGs ability to drive and dish but Haywood can be good or almost completely invisible. Far too inconsistent for me to say, "hey no problem we'll just get Haywood to score more." That will be an option after he does it and proves that he's that type of player.

As for Kwame, I'm sorry I just don't buy it and I don't think the coaches do either. He has potential but until we are talking about what he has done and not what he might do, Kwame isn't a solution to anything at all. I'm not convinced this kid is even good to have on the roster at all, he takes way too much attention away from the teams goals and is surrounded by negativity.

We need a guy that can score on his own that can step up his game when Arenas is injured or having a bad game.

Also your numbers show that the wizards will be scoring 131 point per game with 40+ coming from the bench on average.

[mad4comp]

Mobley can up his game at anytime and can create his own shots, you ever see him play?

BTW those ppg are for season averages not per game (so its not guaranteed that they will score those given pts per game).

[Gamebreaker]

Originally posted by Destino


I understand that your forwards and centers rely greatly on your PGs ability to drive and dish but Haywood can be good or almost completely invisible. Far too inconsistent for me to say, "hey no problem we'll just get Haywood to score more." That will be an option after he does it and proves that he's that type of player.



Haywood would score more consistently if he's fed the rock on a consistent basis and on the court more, he only averages 27 minutes a game. Every time I saw him in the game last season he was making a difference, especially on offense. But Hughes and Arenas didn't trust him enough to give him the ball all the time, or anyone except for themselves and Jamison for that matter.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Destino
The problem with that is that we lost a major scoring option, and we can't replace that with a passer. If we go that route then we need to pick up a scorer up front. I don't see Jeffries, Haywood, Ruffin, Thomas, or Blatche putting up a reliable 15 a game if needed.


Well, it look like we replaced Hughes with a SG/SF so this is mute.

The point would have been to get a PG how scored a little less, 10 PPG but who ran the team where those player you meaned would indeed score more. The overall team would be more balanced.

Thomas and Haywood can easily score 10-15 each a game.
Jefferies needs to prove it but he can also.
Ruffin gets you garbage points mostly.
Blatche will be able to eventually, just depends when.

We will add someone else who can score some inside.

But with Gil, Butler and AJ you already have 3 scorers.
Haywood is your post presence who can score.
There is only one ball so I dont see where a scoring PF is that needed with this line up.

Mostly I want to see us play better team ball. I hope we keep a good chemistry.

[hands11]

Originally posted by Gamebreaker


Haywood would score more consistently if he's fed the rock on a consistent basis and on the court more, he only averages 27 minutes a game. Every time I saw him in the game last season he was making a difference, especially on offense. But Hughes and Arenas didn't trust him enough to give him the ball all the time, or anyone except for themselves and Jamison for that matter.

exactly

[chrisavery72]

Originally posted by hands11


exactly
right.

[Sebowski]

Does Gil want to play 2?
If he does, then we should bring in Bevin Knight or Dan Dickua. I think they are both FA's.

[amaprius]

PG Gil/Atkins/Fitch
SG Butler/Taylor
SF AJ/JJ/Hayes
PF Marshall/Ruffin/D.Brown
C Haywood?/PJR/Thomas

I think Dixon might be gone ...Peeler might go too leaving opennings for Damone Brown and Donnell Taylor and Hayes is a tweener so he can cover both 2 and 3. Thomas may be traded for a second round pick or cut so they can sign a quality C.
I would like to sign Blatche and Jamal Sampson and send them to NBDL. Sampson has a great pedigree....He will be a steal for someone I think.

[hands11]

Originally posted by amaprius
PG Gil/Atkins/Fitch
SG Butler/Taylor
SF AJ/JJ/Hayes
PF Marshall/Ruffin/D.Brown
C Haywood?/PJR/Thomas

I think Dixon might be gone ...Peeler might go too leaving opennings for Damone Brown and Donnell Taylor and Hayes is a tweener so he can cover both 2 and 3. Thomas may be traded for a second round pick or cut so they can sign a quality C.
I would like to sign Blatche and Jamal Sampson and send them to NBDL. Sampson has a great pedigree....He will be a steal for someone I think.

D Brown didnt show well in summer league. He has a long way to go to even make the 13-14 slot. I woudnt count him in at this point.

Same for Ramos.

I would be surprised to see Etan go. He has been injury prone so EG may want to cut bait but I dont know. Anything is possible.
But he is a big strong dude and we are short on that right now.
He is also a captain and add coninuity.

My first choice wouldnt be to change so many pieces all at once.

We have a playoff team last year. We lost Hughes so he needed replaced. Kwame even though he played limited minutes was a big athletic player on the roster, so I guess we need to replace that. I also thought we were short a big who could shot from the outside. That may be Marshal. Only I didnt see this big as a starter but a reserve.

Now we have added back up PG so Blake is on the blocks. I didnt want to see that. I wanted to see Blake one more year. He was hurt most of last year and has show good play when healthy and given minutes.

Well, the ball is rolling. I know we were forced to do some of this but I wanted to bring back as many of the team as we could and now its looking like we there may be more players leaving then I hoped for. Its a little unnerving. I fear we are letting go of some good talent and we may change the continuity to much.

This team had a good personality.

[chrisavery72]

I think they will keep Blake. EG and Eddie saw something in this kid and he is a pure PG. Something Eddie can use to change the tempo in a game.

[amaprius]

I think if we take a step back by getting the players in place for the long term we will be set for many years to come. Go after SAR/Walker and Marshall and Curry and Kaman and send Blatche to NBDL and sign Fitch, Taylor and get Butler and Atkins then we will be set for 10 years of playoffs.

[hands11]

Originally posted by amaprius
I think if we take a step back by getting the players in place for the long term we will be set for many years to come. Go after SAR/Walker and Marshall and Curry and Kaman and send Blatche to NBDL and sign Fitch, Taylor and get Butler and Atkins then we will be set for 10 years of playoffs.

I think EG just may go all out. I would have liked to see us keep the team together one more year but EG can just as well do a make over.

A lot of players didnt get a healthy last year to prove what they could do but all have shown short comings they may never get over so EG may just put a team together with skills he has seem players already do.

If this is his logic ( I honestly dont know ) then
He could honestly move anyone short of Gil, Haywood, Jamison, Butler

Players less likely to be moved.

Jefferies because he is only 2 mil and he still has a lot of upside if he works on his offense this summer. Hes 6-10 230 young, can dribble well enough to bring the ball up, and he can defend. He can shot from 3 but hasnt much and he can drive and finish though he needs to do it more. Its worth another year to see what he does.

Etan 6-10 260. EG matched a contract to keep him so he must have thought he was worth it. He has his limitations. Hes not a very good leaper to dunk but seems to get up to block a shot which he does well. He has a post game that was coming around late in the year. He also can hit a 10 ft from the top of the key. But he keeps getting injured. We still need the size and some continuity. He was a captain.

Jarvis Hayes $2,011,080 I dont know. Hes good insurance for the SG/SF in case of injury but Im not sold on him. He needs to show a lot more aggressiveness this summer if hes around to do it.

Thats pretty much it. Any one else can be moved. So you have a starting line up. Everyone is an expendable bench player so EG could do anything, who knows.

Gilbert Arenas G 6-3 191
Caron Butler SG/F 6-7 217
Antawn Jamison F 6-9 230
Jared Jeffries F 6-10 230
Brendan Haywood C 7-0 266


Chucky Atkins PG 5-11 160 ( he could even get repackaged )
Jarvis Hayes G-F 6-7 220
Etan Thomas C 6-10 260

Guys that will stick around but may not play.

Andray Blatche F 6-11 235
Peter Ramos C 7-3 275


Who know catagory.
Blake. Its getting crowded at PG, specially if one of these summer players works out. Chucky is short at 5-11 160. Blake is 6-3. 172. He added some muscle last summer. He could be an extra 3 shooter. Hes as good a Chuckie is. The kid really only has one year under his belt. His second year he was hurt. He shows some talent. With added muscle and another year under his belt, we may want to keep him if it doesnt cost to much. He just may grow into something nice at the PG.

Dixon. Who knows. Talented Gs are easier to find then bigs. Sure its nice to have him around but we may not have room. Dixon is kind of man without a possition. At his size he really needs to be a PG. If Blache sticks around SF, so Hayes will play the 2nd SG and Atkins is your 2nd PG, so its crunch time for someone. Atkins, Blake, Dixon, Hayes ?


Summer League guys who can make the team or at least be the 13-14 players.

Gerald Fitch 6-3 188 44.0% 44.0% 72.7% 24.0 min 13.4 pts
Hiram Fuller 6-9 240 22.0min 60.0% FG 7.3 Rbs 7.5 pts

I think Fuller may make it if we loss Ruffin or he could just beat Ruffin out in camp.

[hands11]

:laugh:

[hands11]

Originally posted by hands11



Well, it look like we replaced Hughes with a SG/SF so this is mute.

The point would have been to get a PG how scored a little less, 10 PPG but who ran the team where those player you meaned would indeed score more. The overall team would be more balanced.

Thomas and Haywood can easily score 10-15 each a game.
Jefferies needs to prove it but he can also.
Ruffin gets you garbage points mostly.
Blatche will be able to eventually, just depends when.

We will add someone else who can score some inside.

But with Gil, Butler and AJ you already have 3 scorers.
Haywood is your post presence who can score.
There is only one ball so I dont see where a scoring PF is that needed with this line up.

Mostly I want to see us play better team ball. I hope we keep a good chemistry.

We'll it actually looks like we did both. We got the PG I was talking about and replace Hughes with Butler who is a SF/SG.
I think we will start him at SG with Gil at PG to start the season.
Then we can bring in Daniels and go with Dan, Gil, Butler

[amaprius]

Originally posted by hands11


We'll it actually looks like we did both. We got the PG I was talking about and replace Hughes with Butler who is a SF/SG.
I think we will start him at SG with Gil at PG to start the season.
Then we can bring in Daniels and go with Dan, Gil, Butler

I think we may get Fitch. I dont think it is a huge priority since all we are looking for is a 3rd string guy...The big debate is how we are going to handle the PF/C situation. I have no interest in who is going to be our third PG. He will basically be a waterboy and benchwarmer anyway.

[arenasisgod]

Originally posted by amaprius


I think we may get Fitch. I dont think it is a huge priority since all we are looking for is a 3rd string guy...The big debate is how we are going to handle the PF/C situation. I have no interest in who is going to be our third PG. He will basically be a waterboy and benchwarmer anyway.

Fitch signed with the Heat. Wiz might've slipped on that one...

[amaprius]

Gotta hand it to Fitch....If you are going to be 3rd string somewhere be third string on the team that will win at least the next 3 championships.

Cleveland and the Spurs will be competitive but no one is beating Shaq, Wade, Walker, Haslem and Williams w/Zo, Jones, Posey, Simien, Barron, and Fitch coming off the bench.

Of course LeBron may make me eat my words very soon.

[hands11]

Originally posted by hands11


I think EG just may go all out. I would have liked to see us keep the team together one more year but EG can just as well do a make over.

A lot of players didnt get a healthy last year to prove what they could do but all have shown short comings they may never get over so EG may just put a team together with skills he has seem players already do.

If this is his logic ( I honestly dont know ) then
He could honestly move anyone short of Gil, Haywood, Jamison, Butler

Players less likely to be moved.

Jefferies because he is only 2 mil and he still has a lot of upside if he works on his offense this summer. Hes 6-10 230 young, can dribble well enough to bring the ball up, and he can defend. He can shot from 3 but hasnt much and he can drive and finish though he needs to do it more. Its worth another year to see what he does.

Etan 6-10 260. EG matched a contract to keep him so he must have thought he was worth it. He has his limitations. Hes not a very good leaper to dunk but seems to get up to block a shot which he does well. He has a post game that was coming around late in the year. He also can hit a 10 ft from the top of the key. But he keeps getting injured. We still need the size and some continuity. He was a captain.

Jarvis Hayes $2,011,080 I dont know. Hes good insurance for the SG/SF in case of injury but Im not sold on him. He needs to show a lot more aggressiveness this summer if hes around to do it.

Thats pretty much it. Any one else can be moved. So you have a starting line up. Everyone is an expendable bench player so EG could do anything, who knows.

Gilbert Arenas G 6-3 191
Caron Butler SG/F 6-7 217
Antawn Jamison F 6-9 230
Jared Jeffries F 6-10 230
Brendan Haywood C 7-0 266


Chucky Atkins PG 5-11 160 ( he could even get repackaged )
Jarvis Hayes G-F 6-7 220
Etan Thomas C 6-10 260

Guys that will stick around but may not play.

Andray Blatche F 6-11 235
Peter Ramos C 7-3 275


Who know catagory.
Blake. Its getting crowded at PG, specially if one of these summer players works out. Chucky is short at 5-11 160. Blake is 6-3. 172. He added some muscle last summer. He could be an extra 3 shooter. Hes as good a Chuckie is. The kid really only has one year under his belt. His second year he was hurt. He shows some talent. With added muscle and another year under his belt, we may want to keep him if it doesnt cost to much. He just may grow into something nice at the PG.

Dixon. Who knows. Talented Gs are easier to find then bigs. Sure its nice to have him around but we may not have room. Dixon is kind of man without a possition. At his size he really needs to be a PG. If Blache sticks around SF, so Hayes will play the 2nd SG and Atkins is your 2nd PG, so its crunch time for someone. Atkins, Blake, Dixon, Hayes ?


Summer League guys who can make the team or at least be the 13-14 players.

Gerald Fitch 6-3 188 44.0% 44.0% 72.7% 24.0 min 13.4 pts
Hiram Fuller 6-9 240 22.0min 60.0% FG 7.3 Rbs 7.5 pts

I think Fuller may make it if we loss Ruffin or he could just beat Ruffin out in camp.

Give a brother some love...:D

[amaprius]

Why?....
I am not that type of guy...
Even if I live in San Francisco....

[hands11]

Originally posted by amaprius
Why?....
I am not that type of guy...
Even if I live in San Francisco....

dude, you are weird.

:doh:

[amaprius]

No just very silly

[hands11]

I think EG just may go all out. I would have liked to see us keep the team together one more year but EG can just as well do a make over.

A lot of players didnt get a healthy last year to prove what they could do but all have shown short comings they may never get over so EG may just put a team together with skills he has seem players already do.

If this is his logic ( I honestly dont know ) then
He could honestly move anyone short of Gil, Haywood, Jamison, Butler

Players less likely to be moved.

Jefferies because he is only 2 mil and he still has a lot of upside if he works on his offense this summer. Hes 6-10 230 young, can dribble well enough to bring the ball up, and he can defend. He can shot from 3 but hasnt much and he can drive and finish though he needs to do it more. Its worth another year to see what he does.

Etan 6-10 260. EG matched a contract to keep him so he must have thought he was worth it. He has his limitations. Hes not a very good leaper to dunk but seems to get up to block a shot which he does well. He has a post game that was coming around late in the year. He also can hit a 10 ft from the top of the key. But he keeps getting injured. We still need the size and some continuity. He was a captain.

Jarvis Hayes $2,011,080 I dont know. Hes good insurance for the SG/SF in case of injury but Im not sold on him. He needs to show a lot more aggressiveness this summer if hes around to do it.

Thats pretty much it. Any one else can be moved. So you have a starting line up. Everyone is an expendable bench player so EG could do anything, who knows.

Gilbert Arenas G 6-3 191
Caron Butler SG/F 6-7 217
Antawn Jamison F 6-9 230
Jared Jeffries F 6-10 230
Brendan Haywood C 7-0 266


Chucky Atkins PG 5-11 160 ( he could even get repackaged )
Jarvis Hayes G-F 6-7 220
Etan Thomas C 6-10 260

Guys that will stick around but may not play.

Andray Blatche F 6-11 235
Peter Ramos C 7-3 275


Who know catagory.
Blake. Its getting crowded at PG, specially if one of these summer players works out. Chucky is short at 5-11 160. Blake is 6-3. 172. He added some muscle last summer. He could be an extra 3 shooter. Hes as good a Chuckie is. The kid really only has one year under his belt. His second year he was hurt. He shows some talent. With added muscle and another year under his belt, we may want to keep him if it doesnt cost to much. He just may grow into something nice at the PG.

Dixon. Who knows. Talented Gs are easier to find then bigs. Sure its nice to have him around but we may not have room. Dixon is kind of man without a possition. At his size he really needs to be a PG. If Blache sticks around SF, so Hayes will play the 2nd SG and Atkins is your 2nd PG, so its crunch time for someone. Atkins, Blake, Dixon, Hayes ?


Summer League guys who can make the team or at least be the 13-14 players.

Gerald Fitch 6-3 188 44.0% 44.0% 72.7% 24.0 min 13.4 pts
Hiram Fuller 6-9 240 22.0min 60.0% FG 7.3 Rbs 7.5 pts

I think Fuller may make it if we loss Ruffin or he could just beat Ruffin out in camp.

not to bad as predictions go

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/hiram_fuller/index.html?nav=page

[amaprius]

Thank you.....you are right......I was pretty good.....
If we had gone after Kaman, Walker/SAR, etc we would have been set.....
Now our magic number is 2....If we lose 2 games we will not have as good a record as last year and just barely competing for the playoffs and I have had that feeling since last summer....At one point, that FA period made me think we werent going to the playoffs this year.....If we lose momentum right now we still might make it into the lottery.
Start praying for the playoffs people!

Quite truthfully that was pretty accurate....
It is too bad they took your advice.
You should have put Players likely to be moved instead of "less likely" and not included Haywoodnt in your untouchables, then maybe they would have gotten off their tushies and done something good for this team.

[Warhead36]

I think Haywood will break out this year and have a stat line in the 15 ppg 10 rpg range. He had a monster playoffs and is only getting better.

:laugh: