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gridironmike
July-27th-2005, 02:00 PM
Let me say that I am still a fan of Steve Spurrier's, I wish that he had been able to do more/better, and was really suprised when he left (although I like the replacement ;) ). I really didn't know he had a beef with Snyder. Read on.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2117412

Updated: July 27, 2005, 9:59 AM ET
Ol' Ballcoach ready to stir up SEC once again

By Gene Wojciechowski
ESPN.com

COLUMBIA, S.C. -- The University of South Carolina charter plane is scheduled to leave here Wednesday at 1 p.m. and land in Birmingham less than two hours later. That's when The HBC and his small Gamecock entourage will make their way to the Wynfrey Hotel, site of the annual pigskinpalooza known as SEC Football Media Days or, as some are calling it: Return of the Visor.

Some things just don't seem right: Hooters waitresses wearing cardigans ... french fries dipped in yogurt ... Steve Spurrier in the NFL. This -- The Head Ballcoach returning to the league and college game he once ruled -- seems right. That's because Spurrier and Saturdays in the SEC go together like Ohio State and investigations.

Nearly 700 media credentials have been issued for the three-day football fest, which is more than were issued for the SEC championship game and only about 100 fewer credentials than were issued for last January's national championship in the Orange Bowl. Those were actual games. This is a dozen coaches wearing suits, droning on about their two-deep depth charts.

But Spurrier will liven things up. He always does.

"I don't have any profound words of wisdom or predictions for the [media]," said Spurrier, as he sat in a restaurant booth Monday evening, just hours removed from attending the funeral of a University of Florida friend. "They may be a little disappointed. I'm going to say we're going to have a competitive team. What our record is, who knows?"

I've listened to Spurrier before at these SEC preseason gigs. I'll take the over on profound, on predictions, on moments when Spurrier won't be able to press his own mute button. That's why there won't be an empty seat in the hotel auditorium when Spurrier arrives for his late-afternoon session. That's why 20 sports talks shows have reserved space on Radio Row, the long hallway just a few steps from the Wynfrey's registration desk.

When Spurrier ended his self-imposed one-year stay on Elba and replaced a Lou Holtz regime that had atrophied and resorted to NCAA rules cutting, it was as if the SEC suddenly chugged a case of Red Bull. Now there are so many storylines this week that you need a valet parker for them all.

Not only do you have Spurrier's return after a confusing, dysfunctional two-year tenure with the Redskins, but you have Urban Meyer replacing Ron Zook at The HBC's old dynasty -- Florida. You have Les Miles replacing Nick Saban at LSU, Ed Orgeron replacing David Cutcliffe at Ole Miss, and Tennessee's Phillip Fulmer almost replacing Auburn as the person/rival Alabama fans would most like to see hideously scarred by a lava flow (Fulmer, among others, ratted on 'Bama to the NCAA, and the testimony became public).

But make no mistake: Spurrier is the SEC Media Days headliner. He's the reason why South Carolina's leading newspaper, The State, runs a daily "Countdown to the Spurrier Era."

Until Monday evening, the last time I saw Spurrier was in April, the week of the Masters. Back then he still didn't completely know his way around Carolina's Williams-Brice Stadium, but he knew more than $3 million worth of donations had streamed in since he took the job.

He gave me a tour of the new football facility attached to one end of the concrete stadium. He showed me the football-only weight room, the sprint track, the state-of-the-art film rooms. But there was an awkward silence when he stopped at the sparse trophy case, which featured hardware from a 2001 Outback Bowl victory.

"Outback Bowl, that's about it," said Spurrier, who won a national championship, seven SEC titles, and 122 games during his 12-year stay at Florida. "Yep, Outback Bowl."

His third-floor office, which overlooks the field, had been aired out to rid the place of Holtz's pipe smoke. On a shelf in back of his desk was his original Florida helmet (a MacGregor model) from his days as a Gator star, as well as helmets from all of his playing/coaching stops (San Francisco 49ers, Tampa Bay Bucs, Tampa Bay Bandits of the USFL, Duke), except the Redskins. Spurrier would rather sing "Rocky Top" than acknowledge his employment experience with Redskins owner Daniel Snyder.

He pulled out a blue-and-white seersucker outfit and said he was going to wear it on the sidelines one day. He clicked on a battery-operated mascot doll called, "Little Cocky," and happily watched as it strutted and played the school fight song. He pointed toward the empty stadium and said he was going to have the place painted, that he wanted to make South Carolina "a cool school ... get a buzz going about it."

The buzz will reach critical mass the moment he steps foot into the Wynfrey and becomes close, personal friends with the army of waiting minicams. And just wait until the Gamecocks' Sept. 1 season opener against Central Florida, or the Sept. 10 game at Georgia, or the Oct. 29 visit to Tennessee (he loves to push Fulmer's buttons), or the Nov. 12 game against Meyer and the Gators.

Spurrier turned 60 in April (as part of his birthday present, staffers arranged a call with one of his longtime favorites, John Wooden), but looks 50. He follows the advice of Satchel Paige, who once said something to the effect: How old would you act if you didn't know how old you were?

Once again, free of the 12-20 Redskins experiment, Spurrier doesn't know how old he is.

"I feel rejuvenated," he said at dinner's end. "I feel a lot like my first year at Florida in 1990."

That was the year the Gators finished 9-2 and ranked 13th in the polls. Do that this year at Carolina and the Outback Bowl hardware is going to have to find a new home.


Gene Wojciechowski is the senior national columnist for ESPN.com. You can contact him at gene.wojciechowski@espn3.com.

Truant
July-27th-2005, 02:05 PM
hmm... i don't know how much of that is just the writer slanting things that way.

Spurrier had success at every other program, so I could see why he wouldn't want to remember his biggest failure.

terpfan
July-27th-2005, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by Truant
hmm... i don't know how much of that is just the writer slanting things that way.

Spurrier had success at every other program, so I could see why he wouldn't want to remember his biggest failure.
Yeah, I think that may be the case as well. He would have to be pretty full of himself if he honestly thought hte whole thing was Snyders fault.

ntotoro
July-27th-2005, 02:25 PM
He came here and failed because of his shortcomings once he reached the NFL level. I'd try to forget it, too.

Nick

thinker
July-27th-2005, 02:48 PM
Frankly I don't think Spurrier was treated badly at all by any one. He was paid famously for two years to give his fun 'n gun a try in the NFL; He was given most every player he wanted to get (exception being the Danny Wuerful deal); He was given football control, such as he wanted it. AND he couldn't cut it. AND he knew it. That's why he quit. I sincerely doubt Danny would have fired him that year and don't think he pressured him to quit. He would have had to make adjustments to his coaching staff if he had stayed - but most pitiful losing coaches do have to submit to coaching changes.

In the end, in his heart he saw that he was not cut out for the NFL. Surprise!! You actually DO have to work all night most nights. You actually do have to game plan. You do have to develop new plays and schemes EVERY week. You can't out recruit your opponents like in college. I have no problem with Spurrier because in the end he saw he wasn't right for the job and didn't force Danny to fire him and didn't try to force millions in a settlement for him to leave. He was a real man and took responsibility for his own shortcomings and said it wouldn't be right to pay me when I couldn't get the job done.

As far as the statements by the reporter, I think he superimposed his assumptions about how terrible of an owner Danny is onto Spurrier's leaving. Whether Danny is a bad owner or not though, Spurrier can't be unhappy with him because he got every chance to succeed and couldn't.

Zuck
July-27th-2005, 02:50 PM
What would he put up?

Highlights of his first preseason game.

TheSteve
July-27th-2005, 03:17 PM
Remember Osaka.

boobiemiles
July-27th-2005, 03:28 PM
Spurrier should have tried to win football games, and not try to show the rest of the NFL what a genius he wasn't. What a joke. A grown man doesn't understand what the game was really about, pathetic.

Hoyaparanoia
July-27th-2005, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by boobiemiles
Spurrier should have tried to win football games, and not try to show the rest of the NFL what a genius he wasn't. What a joke. A grown man doesn't understand what the game was really about, pathetic.

Thatz not a very good thing to say about the ole Ball Coach.

Posse81
July-27th-2005, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by TheSteve
Remember Osaka.

:laugh:

ccsl2
July-27th-2005, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by boobiemiles
Spurrier should have tried to win football games, and not try to show the rest of the NFL what a genius he wasn't. What a joke. A grown man doesn't understand what the game was really about, pathetic.


I think if Spurrier was surrounded by the right staff (i.e people not the same age as most of the players on the team or younger), he could have succeeded...I sure as hell would have rather have had his offense in 2004 than we had last year.

ccsl2
July-27th-2005, 03:49 PM
"5 AND 11...NOT VERY GOOD...WELL THAT IS BETTER THAN SOME TEAMS I GUESS!"

CLASSIC SPURRIER QUOTE

4thStBully
July-27th-2005, 04:25 PM
i think he didnt have what it takes to succeed in the NFL and i also feel that his departure from the Skins was cowardly.

i forget exactly what jansen said about him but it was something along the lines of he didnt even have a gameplan...totally unacceptable.

TimFolk
July-27th-2005, 04:35 PM
He was comparing his last season to gibbs last year on espn couple minutes ago.

BG
July-27th-2005, 05:50 PM
Christ, I've read worse coming from SC local papers. There are some serious homers who think SOS is going to get them to a bowl while under SERIOUS investigation and already punished for several violations.

I feel for Steve. I think he is getting himself into a bad situation.

Now he had some help with the FO of the Skins, but granted, everyone can use mroe help. More players. In Florida, players flock to UF. It is one of, if not, the best football states for talent in the country. I am not downplaying what he accomplished there, but he's REALLY going to have to "coach 'em up" this time around.

That article blew donkey balls btw...

Yomar
July-27th-2005, 05:56 PM
Excerpt from an article sourced below:

So on Jan. 14, 2002, 10 days after resigning from Florida, Spurrier took the leap to the Washington Redskins. The day he accepted the job, he said, "I'm intrigued to see if my style of coaching would be successful in the NFL."

It took him just two seasons to learn the answer.

The plays drawn up by Spurrier that were magic in college didn't work as well in the NFL. Unlike college where he recruited players to fit his system, players that stayed at least three seasons, he discovered he didn't have the same kind of control in the free agent- happy NFL .

"Our first year wasn't bad," Spurrier said. "We were 7-9; we thought we strengthened our team with some free agents. Some of them got hurt; some of them didn't play very well."

Still, Spurrier had hoped to give this NFL thing a go. He had signed a five-year contract, and a deal is a deal.

Until ...

"At the start of the second season, we were putting a team together, and the owner picked the quarterbacks," Spurrier said. "That's when I knew this ain't going to work. It also happened with a couple of other players. As a coaching staff, we didn't pick the team. We lost that argument and did the best we could."

In his last season, 2003, which ended with a 5-11 record, the Redskins' worst since 1994, Spurrier and vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato didn't see eye-to-eye on personnel. Spurrier refused to play several high-profile free agents.

Also, Spurrier wasn't happy that owner Dan Snyder agreed with Cerrato in the '03 preseason when the Redskins cut quarterback Danny Wuer ffel, Spurrier's Heisman Trophy-winning QB on the '96 Florida national championship team. Spurrier signed Wuerffel in '02 as a backup to teach his system to starter Patrick Ramsey.

One day after the '03 season ended, Spurrier resigned and started a 10-month hiatus.

"I thought maybe I'd coach in the NFL five or six years and that would be the end of my coaching career," he said. "But after a couple of years, I knew I needed to get out. In a way, maybe it was sort of what management wanted, me to bail out. It was time for me to move on.

"I only blame myself for coaching the way I did. I got away from things that I'd done in the past.

"I haven't worried about that (the Redskins) since I left."

Spurrier didn't know how long he'd be out of coaching, but he knew his next stop would be a return to college.

"I wanted to get back to college ball because it's fun for me to watch a young player develop," Spurrier said. "And most college kids don't have all the answers, so they listen more to you than NFL players. I just missed coaching the team and being in charge."

Time in NFL gave coach perspective -- Spurrier returns to college game with vigor


Ron Higgins
rhiggins@commercialappeal.com
25 July 2005
The Commercial Appeal
Copyright (c) 2005 Bell & Howell Information and Learning Company. All rights reserved.

gridironmike
July-28th-2005, 12:47 PM
I figured it was a little bit of "journalistic liberty," but wasn't sure if I'd missed something.

jbooma
July-28th-2005, 12:52 PM
If Spurrier had a good veteran QB I think he would have been ok. It was obvious he did not look Synder playing GM and getting him players.

He also made another comment later saying in college your AD or president is not at your door all the time unless you are getting investigated :laugh:

grego
July-28th-2005, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Yomar
[B]"At the start of the second season, we were putting a team together, and the owner picked the quarterbacks," Spurrier said. "That's when I knew this ain't going to work. It also happened with a couple of other players. As a coaching staff, we didn't pick the team. We lost that argument and did the best we could."

In his last season, 2003, which ended with a 5-11 record, the Redskins' worst since 1994, Spurrier and vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato didn't see eye-to-eye on personnel. Spurrier refused to play several high-profile free agents.



2 things here...he says the owner picked the QB's- if i'm not mistaken, dan sided with vinny on the backup, not on a starter...right? even so, when he came in, i recall he said he didnt want to handle managing the team, just the coaching aspect. either way, that just doesnt sound right. he still had all his gators here- minus one. and they were ALL awful.

second point- what high profile free agents did he not play?

at least he says at the end of the article that he blames himself, but thats after he seems to offer several excuses for his failure.

hmmm.

BG
July-28th-2005, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by grego


2 things here...he says the owner picked the QB's- if i'm not mistaken, dan sided with vinny on the backup, not on a starter...right? even so, when he came in, i recall he said he didnt want to handle managing the team, just the coaching aspect. either way, that just doesnt sound right. he still had all his gators here- minus one. and they were ALL awful.

second point- what high profile free agents did he not play?

at least he says at the end of the article that he blames himself, but thats after he seems to offer several excuses for his failure.

hmmm.

I think one reference was to Bruce Smith, but this "I couldn't pick my players" from the other article is complete crap.

He did say he didn't want to handle personnell issues. He wanted his type of players, but didn't want to do the legwork. Vinny and Dan did what they could.

Furthermore, he didn't even want that responsibility at Fla.! He had a personell guy there too!