Gardner traded to the Panthers(the he's gone Merge mix)

[Westbrook36]

Undisclosed draft pick.

[Skins4SB]

The guy on the intro of Sports Center said we sent Gardner to the Panthers for an undisclosed draft pick. Gardner must pass his physical for it to go through.

[Rdskns2000]

This was just announced at the beginning of the 6pm SportsCenter.

Not even on the website yet. They say it's contigent on Gardner passing a physical!

[terpfan]

Sweet, a draft pick is better than releasing him. :cheers:

[Jody]

He'll pass..............and he's gone.

[RunPortisRun]

I saw that too.

[footballhenry]

I just watched the video of it on Redskins.com. Not much info as of yet....

[jwpanic]

his doctor is reporting he has a 50/50 chance of passing his physical:D .

[luckydevil]

Wow, we got a pick. :D

[dreamingwolf]

its about time

[skns4life]

Originally posted by jwpanic
his doctor is reporting he has a 50/50 chance of passing his physical:D .

:doh: :doh: :laugh: these just never get old

[dreamingwolf]

and the flood gates have opened :silly:

[DonMagicJuan]

what did we get for him?

[Westbrook36]

Conditional 7th rounder and two delicious Arby's roast beef sandwiches is the rumor. :D

Man, I hate Carolina getting stronger. They are the competition in the NFC this year.

[RedskinzOwnU]

AMAZING! Huge for the redskins FO. I dunno how they did it, but thats VERY impressive. eat it fatsquarelli.


I think we're rising the rankings fast for "best offseason" with this move.

[Jody]

So, what's he worth? A 3rd maybe a 2nd round pick.

[DonMagicJuan]

7th rounder? man, atleast we get something out of him...

but a 7th rounder? JEEZ...i hope its a 4th rounder atleast

[forbeskin]

http://www.redskins.com/

Trade is pending according to redskins.com

[Jody]

Originally posted by Westbrook36
Conditional 7th rounder and two delicious Arby's roast beef sandwiches is the rumor. :D

Man, I hate Carolina getting stronger. They are the competition in the NFC this year.

I don't see him making them stronger. Just a little more iffy.

[warren]

Originally posted by jwpanic
his doctor is reporting he has a 50/50 chance of passing his physical:D .



bahahahaah

K, let's move on now and forget about him!

[Skins4SB]

I am just glad we got something in return for him. Bye Gardner.

[skns4life]

no way that we get anything higher than a 4th...

[RedskinzOwnU]

On another note, I've been waiting about 6 months to see this headline in the forum. I'm glad I finally saw it, and it was legit.

[docdru]

Hell yea!! Pastabelly and all those other haters can SUCK IT!!! MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[forbeskin]

hmmm....Quizno's......Chicken Carbonara

[bubba9497]

poor Lenny P. he wanted a release soooooo bad :laugh:

[Arsenic]

Well, that should put the Panthers right up there with the Vikings as Super Bowl contenders #2 , and #3, behind the Eagles.:doh:

[Westbrook36]

Originally posted by bubba9497
poor Lenny P. he wanted a release soooooo bad :laugh:

Turns out he was as wrong as you contending so strongly that the Skins would get a 2nd for him. ;)

[ciresolstice]

Good! something is better than nothing when most thought he'd just be released with no compensation.

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by Westbrook36


Turns out he was as wrong as you contending so strongly that the Skins would get a 2nd for him. ;)


nope, because Gardner sabatoged many potential trades before the draft that where reported to be as high as a third/second rounder.

besides we don't know what Carolina offered :)

[SamSneed36]

hes gonna turn into randy moss down there like everyone else we trade

[ciresolstice]

Originally posted by SamSneed36
hes gonna turn into randy moss down there like everyone else we trade


^^^ please stop..that's not the right attitude to have. Is it the Skins fault the dude had cocentration issues and dropped alot of passes..easy passes? Had one 1k season to my knowledge. If he plays well so be it, but it didn't work out here.

[TaylorPickSix]

yay

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by Jody


I don't see him making them stronger. Just a little more iffy.


He'll definitely make them stronger, for about, eh...8 games?

[ATLANTASKINSFAN]

Nice job FO. Glad to see we got something for him. We took a lot of heat for holding him so long. I guess someone in the front office kknew what they were doing.

:logo:

[RedskinPride27]

On Comcast Sportsnet, they said Gardner would be traded for a draft pick or draft picks, so it could very well be more than one pick. But the only definite is that the trade doesn't involve any current Carolina player.

[KingTaylor22]

Yes... Finaly gone. Man what a relief.

[jrockster21]

Originally posted by ATLANTASKINSFAN
Nice job FO. Glad to see we got something for him. We took a lot of heat for holding him so long. I guess someone in the front office kknew what they were doing.

:logo:


Yeah, imagine that....the Redskins FO knew what they were doing!! Has anyone else noticed the flying pigs everywhere? ;)

[DSF]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2118118

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

After months of waiting for a deal, patience finally paid off for the Washington Redskins on Wednesday evening, as ESPN.com has confirmed the team has agreed to a trade sending wide receiver Rod Gardner to the Carolina Panthers for a draft choice.

Without the trade, Washington would have released Gardner, a former first-round choice (2001), but a player who no longer fit into coach Joe Gibbs' plans. The draft choice that the Redskins will receive, presumably in 2006, was not immediately known.

The deal is contingent upon Gardner passing a physical examination, and it is scheduled to be administered Thursday.

Washington had made its intentions with Gardner known early in the offseason, when it granted permission for agent Joel Segal to seek potential trade scenarios. The Redskins also excused Gardner from all their offseason workouts.

By dealing Gardner, the Redskins recoup his $2.097 million base salary, which was the highest on the team, and will use that savings to help sign its 2005 draft choices. It had been rumored for much of the offseason that Carolina, which was forced to release star wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad for cap considerations in February, was interested in adding Gardner.

A former Clemson star, Gardner, 27, started all 16 games in each of his four seasons in Washington, catching 227 passes for 2,997 yards and 22 touchdowns. His best season was in 2002, when he posted 71 receptions for 1,006 yards and eight touchdowns.

A big, physical receiver, and a prototype No. 2 wideout, Gardner has experienced some problems with inconsistency in the past, but was still regarded by several franchises as a quality player. Gardner became expendable in Washington when the Redskins traded for wide receiver Santana Moss and signed unrestricted free agents David Patten, Kevin Dyson and Jimmy Farris.

[authentic]

Good ridince #87 Rod (original 50 cent) Gardner, have fun droping passes in Carolina

[bubba9497]

it reads like Lenny doesn't like eating crow

(one of a few thing he doesn't like to eat)

[authentic]

with this, we can finally sign Rogers and Campbell.. season 2005 her we come!!

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Maybe the Panthers only have game film on him from that 2001 game when he caught two bombs from Tony Banks to beat them...

Seriously, I'm glad we were able to get SOMETHING for him. I would bet it's a 5th or 6th round pick.

[kingchris626]

I don't care what any of you guys say. He's a good receiver and he's going to do good there. They're a good team. I hate to see him go.

[authentic]

Originally posted by bubba9497
it reads like Lenny doesn't like eating crow

(one of a few thing he doesn't like to eat)

:laugh:

[sammino]

I have not posted in months but today is a day of celebration 50/50 is finally gone!!!! There is a god!!! :point2sky :laugh: :dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck

[3CardMonte]

we have the greatest front office ever! That should stop any talk of a GM

[Skins4SB]

Will there be anymore number swapping now? Maybe Thrash will get #87 now.

[HeHateMe]

Conditional 6th rounder.

Anything better and I'll be shocked.

[TaylorPickSix]

yaaaaaay let's all get krunk thanks to 50/50!
so anything further on what the pick was? i'm thinking 6th but i have hopes that we might somehow have gotten a 5th.

[KingTaylor22]

I hope we atleast get a 5th. After all people were willing to give a 4th for him back around draft time.

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by Skins4SB
Will there be anymore number swapping now? Maybe Thrash will get #87 now.


could be

Thrash will get #87, Moss taking #83, and Dyson #89

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Originally posted by kingchris626
I don't care what any of you guys say. He's a good receiver and he's going to do good there. They're a good team. I hate to see him go.

I have no doubt that he can contribute on a good team. They have Smith and Colbert in addition to 50/50 now.

He did fine for us at times too. I hope he does well when it doesn't negatively impact us.

[TODD]

I don't see how this is being accoladed as a great move...? We originally hoped for a 3rd or a 4th, but ended up with a conditional low round pick.

I kind of hoped Rod would stay in our absence of a big target, but good luck to him in Carolina, he should do fine there.

[Skins4SB]

Originally posted by bubba9497



could be

Thrash will get #87, Moss taking #83, and Dyson #89

Skins store is already selling #89 Moss jerseys. I think Thrash will be the only that changes if anyone does.

[TheREALJBird]

Originally posted by kingchris626
I don't care what any of you guys say. He's a good receiver and he's going to do good there. They're a good team. I hate to see him go.

if you switch the word "good" with the word "mediocre", I think you hit the nail on the head

[Skinned]

George Michael on NBC just said that it will be a late rounder, probably a 6th. Don't know if he is just speculating or has a source.

[authentic]

i'm waiting what the media will say about this.. maybe that "today is an extension of the turmoil that the Redskins been experiencing in the offseason. with the departure of Coles, Smoot and Pierce, the Redskins have taken a major step back in trading Rod Gardner. The Redskins are now projected to finish 4-12 this season"..

i can hear it coming

[cowboykilla]

Clearly not a consistent WR, but when he's hot, he will win a game for you.

He would have single handedly won the home Dallas game this past year if it wasn't for the refs.

But I think most of you guys have the idea. Inconsistency kills at the WR spot. Doens't do much for chemistry with a QB.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Originally posted by cowboykilla
Clearly not a consistent WR, but when he's hot, he will win a game for you.

He would have single handedly won the home Dallas game this past year if it wasn't for the refs.

But I think most of you guys have the idea. Inconsistency kills at the WR spot. Doens't do much for chemistry with a QB.

You summed it up very well. At season's end (assuming he doesn't get hurt) he'll have decent numbers. However, odds are that'll be due to 3 monster games and a bunch of average/below average games.

Our offense is better off with some consistency (even if we're consistently average) each and every week.

:2cents:

[ArmchairRedskin]

Where's Andyman with the inside scoop?

[Jimbo]

I'll throw in my guess that it's a 6th rounder that could be worth a 5th rounder based on performance. I wish it were higher. :(

[stupidsuck]

woohoo, this is fantastic to get anything in return.....I can't believe people were talking 3rd rounder or even 2nd rounder for this guy earlier in the offseason.

[Truant]

AT LAST!!

We recoup money, get someone out who doesn't want to be here and save some face by not having to outright release him.

Like it or not, we are a better TEAM without him.

[Higgs44]

Always good to get Picks for guys your getting rid of:point2sky

[illone]

i skimmed the thread but didn't see....

Do we know for sure what exactly we DID get for him?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Originally posted by illone
i skimmed the thread but didn't see....

Do we know for sure what exactly we DID get for him?

No, we're all just speculating. It says "undisclosed" draft pick.

[kappaluvacee]

Originally posted by bubba9497
it reads like Lenny doesn't like eating crow

(one of a few thing he doesn't like to eat)
Lenny likes eating whatever he gets his hands on.

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

Well, I'm just glad we got something for him. Plus we save some money? And you guys thought we were just going to lose out completely.

[illone]

Originally posted by TD_washingtonredskins


No, we're all just speculating. It says "undisclosed" draft pick.


Sounds good.

Let's turn this into a prediction thread, then.

I'm going with a 3rd rounder;)

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Originally posted by illone



Sounds good.

Let's turn this into a prediction thread, then.

I'm going with a 3rd rounder;)

I like your spunk kid...but I'd be shocked if it's higher than a 5th.

[GSF]

Rod is good for a few spectacular catches a season. Cowboykilla is right that he was awesome in the first pukes game last year. His problem, aside from the drops, was he didn't run good routes and had a hard time getting open. He also would never come back to the QB on busted plays. I used to go crazy watching Rod just standing there waiting for the ball.

I actually think he'll be a decent #2 for Carolina, but I'm glad to see him go. Gibbs is getting rid of all of the bad attitudes 1 by 1.

You also have to give Gibbs credit for being patient in dealing with Gardner. Everyone kept saying we wouldn't get anything for Rod b/c everyone knew we didn't want him, but Gibbs knew that somebody would need help bad enough to not let Rod make free agency. Even a low pick, I'm guessing it will be a 5th or 6th, is much better than nothing. Good job Gibbs!

The real question now is who will be the big receiver, Dyson or McCants. One of those guys won't make the squad. I'm pulling for McCants. I still think he has a lot of potential.

[Joey T]

Originally posted by bubba9497
it reads like Lenny doesn't like eating crow

(one of a few thing he doesn't like to eat)

Haven't you heard. Crow is excellent when served in a Teriyaki sauce. I can see Pastabelly licking his lips at the chance.:doh:

[mookie0720]

Now here's a good move by the front office!

[skinsfan12]

me thinks 'tis a win-win

I suspect that the undisclosed picks (that's right, more than one) are 5th and 7th rounders. This is great since we were on the verge of getting absolutely nothing for him.

.

[nace14]

does anybody know what carolina's draft picks look like for next year? do they have a pick in every round? do they have any double picks in a round?

[APBT]

Wish we could have traded him to the Saints for AZ- Hakim, but am pleased to know he will not grace the dance floors of the D.C. night clubs the night before a freakin game..

[Duke]

So, now we have only two big WRs in McCants and Dyson, if the latter makes the cut.

Our depth at WR would be (let's say Gibbs keeps 6); Moss, Patten, Jacobs, Thrash, Brown and either McCants or Dyson?

Do we lack of size?

[mooby]

nah. but im finally glad we got rid of mr. drop it like it's hot. and as an added bonus we got a draft pick for him too.

[Joey T]

Originally posted by Duke
So, now we have only two big WRs in McCants and Dyson, if the latter makes the cut.

Our depth at WR would be (let's say Gibbs keeps 6); Moss, Patten, Jacobs, Thrash, Brown and either McCants or Dyson?

Do we lack of size?

Remember the Smerfs?:laugh:

[Jay Master Jay]

We may something happen I'm impressed with our FO we got something for nothing.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally posted by Duke
So, now we have only two big WRs in McCants and Dyson, if the latter makes the cut.

Our depth at WR would be (let's say Gibbs keeps 6); Moss, Patten, Jacobs, Thrash, Brown and either McCants or Dyson?

Do we lack of size?

With the contact rules I do not think size is as much of an issue anymore with a WR corps.

As long as it remains emphasized I think a quick speedy WR corps is key

[skinsfan12]

Originally posted by nace14
does anybody know what carolina's draft picks look like for next year? do they have a pick in every round? do they have any double picks in a round?

Looks like Carolina has a pick in each round and two picks in the seventh round.

Link (http://www.panthers.com/news/newsroomNewsDetail.jsp?id=18555)

.

[Rypien 91]

See ya....:ciao:

[KDawg]

I'm gonna be honest. I've had a rough as hell day... It has flat out sucked, from waking up up until 7:45PM...

When I read that not only is Rod Gardner gone... but we actually got a draft pick for him... We got a draft pick... for 50/50... My day is suddenly on the up and up.

[Bang]

Quoting Pasquarelli,

"Gardner became expendable in Washington when the Redskins traded for wide receiver Santana Moss and signed unrestricted free agents David Patten, Kevin Dyson and Jimmy Farris."

How is it a guywho supposedly covers the NFL, and the NFC east in particular; is not aware that the Redskins very loudly proclaimed Gardner on the trade block before the Super Bowl was even played?

This guy is SO CLEARLY unprofessional in his job it is mind boggling they continue to let him write.

~Bang

[Joncevensen]

i say at least a fifth or sixth rounder that if he performs becomes a fourth, which would make r campbell trade essentially gardner a third round pick, and a first rounder for campbell.

[KDawg]

Not to mention, Bang, that Jimmy Farris was even mentioned within the quote.

[Chris Worthy]

Time to get the 1st round crew signed and get this training camp started. Best of luck to 50/50. And once again in Gibbs we Trust. He is molding his team into something special.

[Makaveli]

http://kffl.com/player/1947/nfl

Panthers | Gardner Will Cost Sixth-round Draft Choice
Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:42:19 -0700

Pat Yasinskas, of the Charlotte Observer, reports the Carolina Panthers will give up a sixth-round draft choice in 2006 to the Washington Redskins for WR Rod Gardner if Gardner passes a physical with the team Thursday, July 28. Sources also noted the compensation is also conditional on Gardner making the team's roster. The Panthers will be responsible for $2 million base salary for Gardner, who is in the final year of his initial contract.


.

[JCav06]

I hope we got a 3rd round pick for him at least. I got no real beef with 50/50 other than the fact that he dropped a lot of passes. anyways best of luck in carolina, rod.

[KDawg]

Originally posted by JCav06
I hope we got a 3rd round pick for him at least. I got no real beef with 50/50 other than the fact that he dropped a lot of passes. anyways best of luck in carolina, rod.

Read the post above yours... Being reported that it's a 6th.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Originally posted by Makaveli
http://kffl.com/player/1947/nfl

Panthers | Gardner Will Cost Sixth-round Draft Choice
Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:42:19 -0700

Pat Yasinskas, of the Charlotte Observer, reports the Carolina Panthers will give up a sixth-round draft choice in 2006 to the Washington Redskins for WR Rod Gardner if Gardner passes a physical with the team Thursday, July 28. Sources also noted the compensation is also conditional on Gardner making the team's roster. The Panthers will be responsible for $2 million base salary for Gardner, who is in the final year of his initial contract.


.

That sounds fair.

Despite him being a first-round selection only 4 years ago, when you're on verge of cutting someone loose, you shouldn't expect more than a 6th.

[evucci]

Hate to say it, but I think we're going to miss Gardner on the field. We would have been better with him opposite Moss. He did make some great catches for us, but also had WAY too many drops. I think he may have a big year for Carolina. Now we need Jacobs and McCants to step up and see what they can do. Time for the new guard to show what they're made of.

[a_good_brotha]

Originally posted by Westbrook36
Conditional 7th rounder and two delicious Arby's roast beef sandwiches is the rumor. :D

Man, I hate Carolina getting stronger. They are the competition in the NFC this year.

Competition? Carolina's the team to beat in the NFC if you ask me. They were the defending NFC champs last year until they were decimated by injuries. And even then they still almost made the playoffs despite missing something like 11 starters. They got my pick to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Originally posted by a_good_brotha


Competition? Carolina's the team to beat in the NFC if you ask me. They were the defending NFC champs last year until they were decimated by injuries. And even then they still almost made the playoffs despite missing something like 11 starters. They got my pick to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.

I do think the smart money would be on the Eagles and Panthers to meet in the NFC Championship Game. Then again, a team always comes out of nowhere lately, so I guess we'll host Carolina in January...

:D

[ryerye05]

too bad we couldnt have traded him for like a third or fourth rounder during the draft im sure his stocked dropped after we kept holding him

[Duke]

At least we got a draft pick out of Rod. The Bears and the Seahawks got nothing out of Terrell and KoRo, who even were drafted higher than Rod...

First round WR class of '01 has not panned out quite impressive, only Moss and Wayne (who, of course, are from...the "U" :laugh: ) are left standing tall.

Well done, BTW, to our FO!

[a_good_brotha]

Originally posted by TD_washingtonredskins


Then again, a team always comes out of nowhere lately, so I guess we'll host Carolina in January...

:D

I like that idea.

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by ryerye05
too bad we couldnt have traded him for like a third or fourth rounder during the draft im sure his stocked dropped after we kept holding him

blame Rod, he would not re-due his contract keeping teams from risking a high pick for 1 year

[skins84]

It was reported that there is a 50/50 chance that Rod could hold out of training camp...
:laugh:

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Originally posted by skins84
It was reported that there is a 50/50 chance that Rod could hold out of training camp...
:laugh:

I heard a similar report stating that there's a 50/50 chance Rod "catches" on with the Panthers.

:twitch:

[skins84]

Originally posted by TD_washingtonredskins


I heard a similar report stating that there's a 50/50 chance Rod "catches" on with the Panthers.

:twitch:

Comcast just reported that there is a 50/50 chance that Rod may not report to Carolina. After he "dropped" the bomb about being traded his wife wasn't very happy about the new location.

[Mad Mike]

See Ya Rod. :D

Just think. No more excessive celebrations over first downs that should be routine. AND we get a 6th round Pick? WOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

:point2sky

:D

[MikeB]

Originally posted by ciresolstice



^^^ please stop..that's not the right attitude to have. Is it the Skins fault the dude had cocentration issues and dropped alot of passes..easy passes? Had one 1k season to my knowledge. If he plays well so be it, but it didn't work out here.

It may turn out that it was the organization, or the general losing attitude that has festered here (Gibbs is slowly removing it), that contributed to his poor play. He may go down there, playing on a good young team with a good coach, and be a huge contributor. Let's face it, the attitude round here has stunk for the past 10+ years and created a lot of malcontents out of otherwise solid players.

[Andre The Giant]

We're sure as heck not going to miss all of his false start, illegal procedure and illegal formation penalties.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

Let me ask this. The 6th round pick is conditional on Gardner making the team. What stops the Panthers from cutting him, then resigning him later on so they don't have to give the Skins anything?

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan]
Let me ask this. The 6th round pick is conditional on Gardner making the team. What stops the Panthers from cutting him, then resigning him later on so they don't have to give the Skins anything?

league rules

[Andre The Giant]

Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan]
Let me ask this. The 6th round pick is conditional on Gardner making the team. What stops the Panthers from cutting him, then resigning him later on so they don't have to give the Skins anything?

They probably traded for him so they wouldn't have to sign him for market price.

[Truant]

Originally posted by Tom [Giants fan]
Let me ask this. The 6th round pick is conditional on Gardner making the team. What stops the Panthers from cutting him, then resigning him later on so they don't have to give the Skins anything?

Conditional trades happen all the time. The reason is that if they waive him, someone else can claim him on waivers.

[Andre The Giant]

Originally posted by Andre The Giant


They probably traded for him so they wouldn't have to sign him for market price.

Plus, they probably didn't want to compete for his services with other teams. If they cut him, they'd have to fight that battle.

[Woofer]

Originally posted by jwpanic
his doctor is reporting he has a 50/50 chance of passing his physical:D .

Might be more accurate to say:

"...a 50/50 chance of catching his physical."

:laugh:

[Dirk Diggler]

Let me ask this. The 6th round pick is conditional on Gardner making the team. What stops the Panthers from cutting him, then resigning him later on so they don't have to give the Skins anything?

I would think that he'd have to clear waivers first before they could sign him.

[EvoSkins]

The Skins willl get a pick no matter what if the deal goes through. I think if Gardner meets certain goals the pick could improve to a 5th rounder or better. If the Panthers cut him, he becomes a free agent and can sign with anyone.

This situation is much like how the Skins got Brunell. The Jags were going to release Brunell but the Skins traded a draft pick to the Jags instead of letting him test the free agent market. Brunell went belly up and has become a money pit. I wish Gardner luck and hope he can learn how to catch.

[Woofer]

Originally posted by evucci
Hate to say it, but I think we're going to miss Gardner on the field. We would have been better with him opposite Moss. He did make some great catches for us, but also had WAY too many drops. I think he may have a big year for Carolina. Now we need Jacobs and McCants to step up and see what they can do. Time for the new guard to show what they're made of.

Why do people say they hate to say the thing they say? Just say it.

:laugh:

I do not think we'll miss him at all!

[CTaylor42]

:ciao: Cya Rod.

I hated the way Gardner would just stand there waiting for the ball to come to him. Giving the defender a chance to step in front for the pick.

When can we get rid of this smilie? :point2sky :)

[seanyt]

Hey carolina hows S. Gilbert working out for ya, well here's Gardener too...

[autographcollector]

Originally posted by seanyt
Hey carolina hows S. Gilbert working out for ya, well here's Gardener too...

Thats a low blow ;)

[Skins11]

Originally posted by CTaylor42

When can we get rid of this smilie? :point2sky :)

I believe that's supposed to be Thrash, who wore #87 before. Gardner never really pointed to the sky, just forward on first downs.

[Walking Deadman]

I think Gardner has alot of potential,but other than year one of his career, we haven't seen much of his ability.

Maybe he'll do better in Carolina.....but his situation kind of reminds me of the Kwame Brown situation with the wizards.

[atloldskin]

We got something for Rod who was going to be cut. Great move FO. Still, the papers will say "Skins and Snyder dump former first round pick due to cap problems".

[Skins11]

Originally posted by goskins

Maybe he'll do better in Carolina.....but his situation kind of reminds me of the Kwame Brown situation with the wizards.


True... but on a MUCH smaller scale. Plus, we actually robbed the Lakers on that trade.

Gardner and Brown incidentally both have been pros for the same amount of time. During these four years, Gardner has been a hall of famer in comparison to Kwame. :laugh:

I think Gardner will do better than Kwame. Gardner has already done much better in the past.

[trez]

Sweet. A sixth rounder. Now Gibbs can pick another fullback next year. Or maybe we can package it with our 2007 first rounder for a past-his-prime veteran. Let's not hail this as a front office coup...if they had done their homework, we wouldn't have wasted a first round pick on this bum anyway. Hell, we could have drafted Santana Moss...you know, the dude we just traded Lavaraneus Coles for while taking a 9 million cap hit. Our entire front office is a bunch of bums. And Joe Gibbs is also a bum.

[Park City Skins]

Well, this is one of those huh? moments. I was convinced that the man was simply going to be released, Extreme would say good riddance along with the few obligatory "The FO Sucks" comments and that would be that. Come home from work and the man is traded and there's a keeper of a thread for next years review. When you least expect it I guess.

[NVskinsfan]

:D :D :D

[Monte51Coleman]

Originally posted by trez
Sweet. A sixth rounder. Now Gibbs can pick another fullback next year. Or maybe we can package it with our 2007 first rounder for a past-his-prime veteran. Let's not hail this as a front office coup...if they had done their homework, we wouldn't have wasted a first round pick on this bum anyway. Hell, we could have drafted Santana Moss...you know, the dude we just traded Lavaraneus Coles for while taking a 9 million cap hit. Our entire front office is a bunch of bums. And Joe Gibbs is also a bum.

What a http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/ctauber/clown.jpg

[trez]

Monte Coleman was a bum

[Park City Skins]

Sigh. And away we go. Trez, Marty drafted Rod back when HE was the FO. The present FO had nothing to do with it and did the best they could with what they had.

[frankbones]

Originally posted by trez
Monte Coleman was a bum

You're a tool.

[Monte51Coleman]

Originally posted by Park City Skins
Sigh. And away we go. Trez, Marty drafted Rod back when HE was the FO. The present FO had nothing to do with it and did the best they could with what they had.

There you go again PCS....letting facts get in the way of a particularly inane argument. Aargh!

[TK]

Trez is bummed.

[Buford]

Not to say "I told you so"

but I've been harping for months how they were going to hold onto him until another team came calling.

I had guessed it would of taken INTO training camp when somebody else went down.

Feels good though...... we decided were he went in 05, and even if its a crappy pick.... It's still something along with that cap room.

[Park City Skins]

Whoooops. Damn. Sorry Monte51Coleman. See how I am? Can't have that around here now can we? Won't happen again. ;)

[zoony]

trez needs a hug

[Dallsux]

Originally posted by jwpanic
his doctor is reporting he has a 50/50 chance of passing his physical:D .


:laugh: nice one...:thumbsup:


By the way, :wavetowel :wave: :party:



"I'm so glad the b1tch is gone!" WOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!



Does that mean that the :point2sky smilie's number will change finally? Huh, huh, huh? ;)

[Dallsux]

Originally posted by trez
Sweet. A sixth rounder. Now Gibbs can pick another fullback next year. Or maybe we can package it with our 2007 first rounder for a past-his-prime veteran. Let's not hail this as a front office coup...if they had done their homework, we wouldn't have wasted a first round pick on this bum anyway. Hell, we could have drafted Santana Moss...you know, the dude we just traded Lavaraneus Coles for while taking a 9 million cap hit. Our entire front office is a bunch of bums. And Joe Gibbs is also a bum.


Wow...I mean, wow. You are almost too stupid for your own good.

[Higgs44]

Man im so glad we got something for him....so glad I feel like streaking through the streets of NY painted in B&G:cheers:

[SkinsForLife260]

Len is wrong in a minor stat.

"started all 16 games in each of his four seasons in Washington"

No he wasnt started in the 02 and 04 season once.

ha ha

I just wanted to prove him wrong.

[BadKarma]

not psyched so much about the pick as much I am about the cap savings and the cancer out of the clubhouse.

[Dallsux]

Originally posted by Higgs44
Man im so glad we got something for him....so glad I feel like streaking through the streets of NY painted in B&G:cheers:


I'd pay pretty good money to see that too...if I had it. ;)

[zoony]

I'll pay money NOT to see it, thank you...

[Dexter's Better]

I hope its an incentive based pick on play time and performance.

[Craig]

Originally posted by RedskinzOwnU
AMAZING! Huge for the redskins FO. I dunno how they did it, but thats VERY impressive. eat it fatsquarelli.


I think we're rising the rankings fast for "best offseason" with this move.

Is this a joke?

[Leonard Washington]

i'm glad our patience did pay off---for once. gardner definately has the tools and it would be sad if he becomes an all pro down in carolina. i must admit i did like rod and i do wish him well.

[Duke]

I wa about to get a RG sig line...Too late now ;)

[DaRock]

Originally posted by Leonard Washington
i'm glad our patience did pay off---for once. gardner definately has the tools and it would be sad if he becomes an all pro down in carolina. i must admit i did like rod and i do wish him well.

More than likely he will. They have a great coaching staff and QB. They have also add Mike Wahle for their OL....Rod should def. do better in Carolina than he did here. Good luck Rod!

[ciresolstice]

Originally posted by MikeB


It may turn out that it was the organization, or the general losing attitude that has festered here (Gibbs is slowly removing it), that contributed to his poor play. He may go down there, playing on a good young team with a good coach, and be a huge contributor. Let's face it, the attitude round here has stunk for the past 10+ years and created a lot of malcontents out of otherwise solid players.


good point...but it's a test of character...it's easy to do well, and be upbeat when you're winning and all is well...but those that perservere when conditions are adverse is the test of a man.

I definitely understand what you're saying though. It's very possible he'll rebound and play very well on a new team, new city, new coach, etc etc. I just get tired of the, every time the Skins get rid of a player he goes on to have a "stellar" career elsewhere crap.

Sure it has happened, I'm sure it's happened to other teams as well. hopeully David Patten is one of them.

[Redhawk]

Originally posted by seanyt
Hey carolina hows S. Gilbert working out for ya, well here's Gardener too...

They said not too great, but Stephen Davis got 'em to the Super Bowl. :(

[bnacpa]

Originally posted by trez
Sweet. A sixth rounder. Now Gibbs can pick another fullback next year. Or maybe we can package it with our 2007 first rounder for a past-his-prime veteran. Let's not hail this as a front office coup...if they had done their homework, we wouldn't have wasted a first round pick on this bum anyway. Hell, we could have drafted Santana Moss...you know, the dude we just traded Lavaraneus Coles for while taking a 9 million cap hit. Our entire front office is a bunch of bums. And Joe Gibbs is also a bum.


I cannot believe the blasphemy that rants on in this place. Trez is 28 years old going on 12 ... what a horrible thing to say ... especially considering that the Front Office under Marty is not the same front office that we have under Gibbs. Marty called all the shots on taking Gardner over Coles. He did it partly because he loves big receivers and rumored to be to flex his muscle against Danny because he knew how much more Danny wanted Moss. Cerrato was not with the club, Gibbs and most of the current scouts were not with the club, and Danny was kept in the dark because he was proving to the media that he could be a hands off owner by letting Shottenheimer call all the shots.

Shots that included keeping Jeff George and not picking up a backup QB in the offseason until it was almost into the season and we got Tony Banks after Dallas released him. We also had our best receiver cut at the time ... Larry Centers (RB with great hands). There were other bone head moves like signing Kent Graham ... but it is all under the bridge now ... the main point is that your facts are wrong, your perception is wrong, and to call Gibbs a bum ... a HOF coach who has had 2 losing seasons in his entire career is just crazy. I hope you are slapped with the *****man clown.

[TheLongshot]

Glad to be redeemed by the FO. I said the whole time that they were going to trade him, and I was right. Just getting something for him was worth it...

Jason

[fsmoot21]

Is it really true that the only reason we couldn't deal Rod for a higher pick around draft time was because he wouldn't restructure his contract? There weren't any teams willing to trade a 4th or 5th round pick for him with his current contract?

I'm happy we got rid of him and I'm happy now that we got anything for him, but I'm not ready to say this was an "amazing" move or "HUGE" for the front office when it seems like they could have gotten something better if they pulled the trigger earlier.

Anybody have any research or thoughts on whether we could have gotten a 4th or 5th earlier in the offseason?

[ntotoro]

Originally posted by fsmoot21
Is it really true that the only reason we couldn't deal Rod for a higher pick around draft time was because he wouldn't restructure his contract? There weren't any teams willing to trade a 4th or 5th round pick for him with his current contract?


It wasn't so much the pick that was the problem. It was that 50/50 kept scuttling the deals because the teams that wanted him wouldn't fork over long-term deals with the signing bonus he thought he deserved. Most were willing to give him a 1-year "try before buying" kind of deal because he still had a year left on his rookie contract.

Nick

[monarch34]

Originally posted by bnacpa

... Danny was kept in the dark because he was proving to the media that he could be a hands off owner by letting Shottenheimer call all the shots. ... Shots that included keeping Jeff George.

Wow -- if you really think that keeping Jeff George was not purely a Danny-decision, then you are really into revisionist history. For all of Marty's faults, and for all of the talk about hands-off ownership, the decision to keep George was one that was stuffed down his throat by Danny. I have never forgiven him for that one as that saddled a very good NFL coach with a losing hand from the get go. I agree that the ownership and front office probably takes more crap than they deserve, but you are forgiving them of too much if you go this far.

[DB44]

Originally posted by jwpanic
his doctor is reporting he has a 50/50 chance of passing his physical:D .

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Do I even need to read the other 11 pages of this thread.


That just about sums it all up!

[bird_1972]

Originally posted by monarch34


Wow -- if you really think that keeping Jeff George was not purely a Danny-decision, then you are really into revisionist history. For all of Marty's faults, and for all of the talk about hands-off ownership, the decision to keep George was one that was stuffed down his throat by Danny. I have never forgiven him for that one as that saddled a very good NFL coach with a losing hand from the get go. I agree that the ownership and front office probably takes more crap than they deserve, but you are forgiving them of too much if you go this far.

Good post.

[SkinsFanMania]

wow, thats better than a ham sandwhich.

[jschlesi]

It is 50/50 whether the doctor finds something wrong with fine motor skills

[rydemps]

Originally posted by seanyt
Hey carolina hows S. Gilbert working out for ya, well here's Gardener too...

:laugh:

Maybe we can trade them Brunell too!

:ciao:

[footballhenry]

I wouldv'e preferred a bag of salt and vinegar chips but ehh, a draft pick is good:)