The best player NEVER to win a Superbowl?

[Stew]

Just another mind numbing question to throw around until Camp starts. Who is the best player to never win a SuperBowl?

[Leonard Washington]

that's tough. between barry and dan. i'll go with barry since he was never even close.

[rdsknbill]

I agree with Leonard on this one

[VaBeachSkinzFan]

Man that is close, but like everyone else I would have to go with Barry, with Dan a close second.

[illone]

Voted for Barry.

[G-Prime]

Why the hell is Andre Reed on that list?

[Stew]

I needed a decent WR that hasnt won a Superbowl. By all means, I hope we can dig up other players that arent even on this list.

[Stew]

I was unsure about Steve Largent, but i think they only went to the playoffs once, I could be wrong though.

[newskinsowner]

The answer may be a toss up between Dan and Barry but you need to take off Andre Reed and Jim Kelly and replace them with Bruce Smith and Cris Carter, and Eric Dickerson.

[jbooma]

I would have to say Dan, he has more control then anyone else. Barry had to have help from any others to even get there.

[illone]

Originally posted by Gothtimus
Why the hell is Andre Reed on that list?


I was thinking the same thing:laugh:

[Disco Dave]

I voted for Dan. Barry could have played a few more years so that drops him just below Marino IMO.

[Stew]

can I edit the thread? You guys are right though about B. Smith and C. Carter, I was just having a slow mental moment inbetween office reports. I had totally forgotten about Cris Carter, But Bruce Smith should have retired before coming to Washington.

[Drex]

As much as I enjoyed watching Barry Sanders run the football, I am going with Marino in this poll. Most years, he had the presence of no running game and no defense, but singlehandedly made the Dolphins a playoff contender.

[Disco Dave]

Honorable mention = Warren Moon

[Henry]

Marino. Did the man EVER have a running game?

[SkinsBry]

Originally posted by Disco Dave
I voted for Dan. Barry could have played a few more years so that drops him just below Marino IMO.

I agree. Dan played until his knees couldn't take it anymore. Barry walked away when he could have played more years. He could have held out for a trade to another team and I think most people would have supported him.

[Shotgun Styles]

Really no discussion here. Toss up, Marino and Sanders. Either answer is correct. Marino may get the edge, since he actually owns all the passing records and Barry quit early...

[skns4life]

Originally posted by Stew
can I edit the thread? You guys are right though about B. Smith and C. Carter, I was just having a slow mental moment inbetween office reports. I had totally forgotten about Cris Carter, But Bruce Smith should have retired before coming to Washington.

B. Smith did well here in Washington until the last two years and even then, he was the one that put the most pressure on the QB's. He had double digit sacks with us his first year...i think he had 10 or 11. And his second year wasn't that bad either. I think he was a good addition on the field and in the locker room for his leadership. Hell if it weren't for him, we would have never had the nickname 50/50 for R. Gardner!

[Stew]

I still think he should have retired before coming here. I feel he held on too long like Jerry Rice, but thats just me. 50/50 got his nickname at Clemson, he has had it since college.

[gridironmike]

Sammy Baugh.

[bnacpa]

Originally posted by Disco Dave
Honorable mention = Warren Moon

I agree ... he was an amazing QB and never got to the promised land.

[Stew]

i probably should have put Moon up there before Kelly, and a couple others before Reed. I want to start another one with the best Head Coachnever to win a SuperBowl, but i dont want to go flooding the site with threads, so maybe i can rebound from my Reed and Kelly mistake by posing that question. Any takers?

[GoSkinsGo]

Marino, you've got to feel bad for the guy.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Marino, hands down.

For as great as he was, the records he has...i mean, his career has a big blank spot for not winning a super bowl.

I don't feel bad for athletes often, but I feel bad when someone like that misses out on the championship that would complete their career.

[VaBeachSkinzFan]

Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff


I don't feel bad for athletes often, but I feel bad when someone like that misses out on the championship that would complete their career.


Like Ewing:D

[airborneskins]

Originally posted by Stew
I was unsure about Steve Largent, but i think they only went to the playoffs once, I could be wrong though.

Largent never made it to the playoffs. Unfortunately..

[skinsngibbs4life]

Originally posted by Stew
I still think he should have retired before coming here. I feel he held on too long like Jerry Rice, but thats just me. 50/50 got his nickname at Clemson, he has had it since college.

Bruce didn't want to retire untill he got that sack record though. that is why he stayed around for the extra years

[CHUBAKAH]

Dan Marino, which is a no brainer...

[bubba9497]

Billy "White Shoes" Johnson

[barefoot]

Were is Walter Payton ??

[zoony]

Barry

[bugmenot]

Originally posted by Henry
Marino. Did the man EVER have a running game?

I think i heard something like Marino has only had 3 1,000 yards during his career. i wonder if Barry and Dan would have been lights out on offense. They were succesfull without any help. THe best QB barry ever played with was Scott Mitchell. Sad, espcially since they had Herman Moore.

[KingTaylor22]

Dan Marino

[bubba9497]

Originally posted by barefoot
Were is Walter Payton ??

he won a ring with the '85 Bears

[Stew]

Archie Manning maybe?

[Thinking Skins]

Originally posted by barefoot
Were is Walter Payton ??

:doh:

[ntotoro]

Originally posted by barefoot
Were is Walter Payton ??

His name is Sweetness and he likes to dance... running the ball is like making romance.

Oh, yeah... he ain't here to cause no trouble. He's just here to do the Superbowl Shuffle.

[Thinking Skins]

I think Jim Kelly deserves some mention here. I mean, he went 4 times consecutively. Say what you want, but thats gotta hurt.

Plus he beat Dan's A S S. What more do you want. He should definately be mentioned amongst the greatest to never win one.

Here's a quick quote from

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:eakhjm401i0J:www.buffalosportshallf ame.com/Class_of_1997/Jim_Kelly/jim_kelly.html+%22jim+kelly%22+%22dan+marino%22+pl ayoffs&hl=en

"While Jim never received the acclaim accorded Dan Marino and John Elway for fourth-quarter exploits, Kelly's Bills posted a 4-2 record against Elway's Broncos, and a 15-8 mark (3-0 in the playoffs) against Marino's Dolphins. "

[johnbent]

Barry Sanders was always over-rated imo. Truly spectacular highlight reel moments. Some of the most amazing athletic feats (feets too) I've ever seen but not a player to win games with.

I remember when the Redskins used to play against the Barry Sanders Lions that I never worried. Sure, Barry was good for 1-2 80+ yard spectacular touchdown runs a game but that was it. Add those two runs to about 15-20 runs for negative carries and he would contribute about 7-14 points, 130 yards, and a whole bunch of 3 and outs.

[Thinking Skins]

nm

[Stew]

OJ never won one did he?

[ntotoro]

Originally posted by Stew
OJ never won one did he?

The California courts might disagree with that one.

[Kevin101]

barry

[LightenupSandyBaby]

I picked Dan Marino but what about adding fran Tarkenton to the poll?

[RAVENS_SUCK_HUN]

Oh no, not the Barry / running back thing again.

[Drex]

Jim Brown deserves at least an honorable mention. He's an old timer, but from what I've heard/seen, he was a beast of a running back.

[Jay Master Jay]

Jim Kelly

[Stew]

Can the poll be edited? We really should re-do this poll with better choices then I had thismorning.

[RAVENS_SUCK_HUN]

Yeah, you forgot Andre Collins or Michael Westbrook.
:laugh:

[barefoot]

Originally posted by blakman211


:doh:

I was going to say Terry Bradshaw or Joe Montana but I thought it would be to obvious. Geesh, Just trying to have a little fun. Training camp's around the corner and I'm in a good mood. ;)

edit ; took you guys forever too!!

[Griff]

Marino, hands down. The records speak for themself.

Most Seasons Leading League
Most Passes Completed, Career
Most Yards Gained, Career
Most Seasons, 3,000 or More Yards Passing
Most Games, 400 or More Yards Passing, Career
Most Consecutive Games, 400 or More Yards Passing
Most Games, 300 or More Yards Passing, Career
Most Touchdown Passes, Career
Most Touchdown Passes, Season
Most Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes, Career
Most Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes, Season
Most Consecutive Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes


http://www.nfl.com/history/randf/records/indiv/passing

[CTaylor42]

Marino

I found my self rooting for the guy near the end of his career. You have to feel for a guy that puts up those kind of numbers and never wins the big one.

[skinsfan080]

Dan Marino, none of those guys can even compare to the type of career he had w/o a Super Bowl. Kelly and Sanders would battle it out for second. Sanders never even got a sniff at it. At least Marino and Kelly had their chances.

[Willie Gault]

Gale Sayers
Dan Fouts
Archie Manning
Bo Jackson
Earl Campbell

[Willie Gault]

Tim Brown
Morten Andersen (OK, he's a kicker, but still....)
Curtis Martin

[CTaylor42]

Charley Taylor
Sonny Jurgensen

I can't leave the Skins off my list. :helmet:

[a_good_brotha]

Dan Marino

[Dickens]

This shouldn't be close. Dan Marino, hands down.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Originally posted by ntotoro


The California courts might disagree with that one.



Zing! :laugh:



Anyway, I'd go with Marino, perhaps the best pure passer the game has ever seen.

Barry shoulda stuck around. Marino toughed it out a lot longer.

[authentic]

you can't go against the man who has all of the QB records exept for most TD's in a season.. as much as i love Barry, i have to say Dan the man.

[brandies]

I'd have to go with Sammy Baugh or Jim Brown

[Riggo-toni]

What, no love for Sonny?

No way should Jim Kelly be on that list. Or Andre Reed.

Charley Taylor is better than any of the WRs listed.

[ironmic]

although he was never much of a leader Dan Marino was the best passer in the history of the NFL....(note not the best QB, but the best passer)

[scottb]

I'd have to go with Sammy Baugh or Jim Brown

Both players retired before superbowls were played. However, both lead their teams to NFL championships, which in reality is all the SB is.


Oops..I just notced you were 49. You already know this. Sorry.

[Woofer Magoo]

Jurgensen, you forgot Jurgensen!

:notworthy

[Woofer Magoo]

Originally posted by skinsfan080
Dan Marino, none of those guys can even compare to the type of career he had w/o a Super Bowl. Kelly and Sanders would battle it out for second. Sanders never even got a sniff at it. At least Marino and Kelly had their chances.

We really need a "choke" smiley.

:laugh:

[JerseyGator]

What about Fran the Man Tarkenton, who held many of the records that Marino broke? He went to three Super Bowls.

[DieselPwr44]

Is this or is this not a REDSKINS Forum??? :doh:

Sonny Jurgensen

[Thinking Skins]

Originally posted by Griff
Marino, hands down. The records speak for themself.

Most Seasons Leading League
Most Passes Completed, Career
Most Yards Gained, Career
Most Seasons, 3,000 or More Yards Passing
Most Games, 400 or More Yards Passing, Career
Most Consecutive Games, 400 or More Yards Passing
Most Games, 300 or More Yards Passing, Career
Most Touchdown Passes, Career
Most Touchdown Passes, Season
Most Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes, Career
Most Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes, Season
Most Consecutive Games, Four or More Touchdown Passes


http://www.nfl.com/history/randf/records/indiv/passing

Man forget the records. What matters is whats on the field. And Jim Kelly waxed the floor with him over and over again in the playoffs. That makes me feel like Kelly deserves it a little more.

[Walking Deadman]

Anybody say Peyton Manning yet?

Seriously, I'd say Marino slightly over Sanders.......

[redskinsfansince1973]

I will be in Canton in August,Look for the guy holding up the "WHY NOT MONK?" Banner! Hands down it's MARINO!

[Ax]

Sonny Jurgensen - The best pure passer ever. They compared Marino's quick release to the Redhead.

Charley Taylor - 'Nuff said.

Jerry Smith - In his time, his numbers had to be way up there for a TE.

Len Hauss - Still the best #56 in Redskins history. For now anyway.
Come on Spotlight!

Chris Hanburger - How many Pro Bowls?

Pat Fischer - Dynamite in a shot glass.

Kenny Houston - 'Nuff said.

Alan Page - Ditto

Jim Marshall - er um, ditto some more.

Did Irving Fryar get a ring?

[savesmootsprings]

Anthony Munoz? Did he get a ring?

[halter91]

Gotta go with Dan, If Barry would have played longer I would say him.

[TankRizzo]

Hands down Dan Marino.

[Loki]

Barry no questions asked.....

[newarkredskinsfan]

It iswithout adoubt Marino

[sjinhan]

Originally posted by johnbent
Barry Sanders was always over-rated imo. Truly spectacular highlight reel moments. Some of the most amazing athletic feats (feets too) I've ever seen but not a player to win games with.

I remember when the Redskins used to play against the Barry Sanders Lions that I never worried. Sure, Barry was good for 1-2 80+ yard spectacular touchdown runs a game but that was it. Add those two runs to about 15-20 runs for negative carries and he would contribute about 7-14 points, 130 yards, and a whole bunch of 3 and outs.

though i dont completely agree with what you are saying but if it were true... how many RBs in the league would almost guarantee the team 14 points, 100+ yards a game?

i know the knock on barry is that he isnt a short yardage RB but he never really had a line to block for him so he had no choice to run around to make something happen.


for the poll i would have go with Marino

[Matt Kyriacou]

Originally posted by Stew
I was unsure about Steve Largent, but i think they only went to the playoffs once, I could be wrong though.

Haven't read the full post yet, but where the hell is Ken Harvey? If he has been mentioned after the original post, then please accept my apologies.

[PapaDRoc]

Marino, he owns every QB record in the book, except for TD's, and Super Bowls of course.

[SamSneed36]

I wanna say sanders, I wish we couldve seen how he helped a real team that had some talent. If he had had a line and some other offensive weapons around him he coulda made all those moves on his way to the endzone more often, not just tryin to get back to the line of scrimmage

[bulldog]

Among the runners I would have to add Earl Campbell to the list with Sanders. Campbell carried the Oilers for years and they were just a half step behind the best team of the decade in the Steelers, who unfortunately for Campbell were in his division.

if Campbell and Houston had been in the NFC in the 1970's, they probably would have been in 2 or even 3 Super Bowls.

[skin_finatic]

Tough between Sanders and Marino...I voted for Barry because he wasn't even close and he was the best player to ever play his position by far IMO.

[RedskinsFanInTX]

Andre Reed? Why is he on the list?

[The extremist]

From that list, i picked Marino, but these players are also in the discussion:

O.J. Simpson
Fran Tarkenton
Dan Dierdorf (a GREAT player who had his career wasted by crap teams)
Warren Moon (my personal choice)
Bruce Smith/Thurman Thomas
Derrick Thomas
Bo Jackson

Some players on the fringe of the discussion would probably be Boomer Esiason, Bernie Kosar and Ozzie Newsome

For players still playing (and for whom time is running out), Tony Gonzalez, Curtis Martin, Tim Brown and Jerome Bettis

[Monkart]

I picked Barry, never had a supporting cast.

Then I'll have to say most the Guys on our team NOW!
hopefully that will change soon (05,06,07) any or all those years would work for me.:cool: :cheers:

[cjbrown]

O.J

[richard saunders]

Wuerfull

[prophet]

jeff george

[Chrisbob74]

Barry.

[DJCrash34]

Marino

[The Bounty Hunter #21]

Hands down its Marino

[The Bounty Hunter #21]

Barry Sanders comes in at a close second

[codeorama]

Dan Marino.
IMO, he's the greatest qb ever, period.

He never had a running game, never had a defense, teams always knew the phins were going to throw, they dropped back 7 dbs and still couldn't stop him. (only Jimmy Johnson could do that).
Its a shame that he is not considered the greatest because he was never on a great team like Montana or Unitas. Put Montana on those Dolphins teams and I doubt they'd ever make the playoffs. Marino also had more 4th quarter come backs than Montana as well.

[Thinking Skins]

You all are not giving Jim Kelly the respect he deserves.

[jimster]

Johnny Unitas wasn't too shabby

[The 6th Dirtbag]

:dallasuck Barry Sanders.

[GrimReefa]

Marino and Sanders were both top 5 players at their position ever. If they were on the same team, they would have won a few...Marino never had a RB and Sanders was always Detroit's whole offense. Ironic...

[Painkiller]

That's easy. Marino

[MiamiDolphins13]

<----Is there any question?

As a RB, while it's a great accomplishment, there is much less like pressure to win a Super Bowl. As QB's are judged on "how much did they win" and sadly Dan never got the ring, blame it on his RB's, his defenses, his coaching, injuries, heck blame it on Dan, but he never got it no matter what and thats why he's the greatest player to never win....by far.....

[Spaceman Spiff]

Can't believe it took that long for someone to bring up OJ.

[RedskinPryde]

im sayin dan cause my ignorant ass doesnt kno any of those othr dudes :(

[yank]

Must be Marino.

[diego1115]

Barry Sanders.......nuff said

[SkinsFTW]

Bruce Smith was pretty good too.

[DialSux]

got to be kidding me. no contest. i can name several other qb's who played in marino's era who were just as effective. barry was incomparable. everyone else was a barry wannabe.

[SkinsFTW]

Johnny Unitas wasn't too shabby

Wasn't he on the Colts when they won one?

Warren Moon should be on the list too.

[Hollywood2k3]

that's tough. between barry and dan. i'll go with barry since he was never even close.


I agree, can't get any plainer than that....

[gimpy007]

I would have to go with Barry Sanders for the simple fact that he never even played on a team good enough to go to the SB. At least Marino and Kelly go to go the the SB. :2cents:

[jrockster21]

Wasn't he on the Colts when they won one?

Warren Moon should be on the list too.


Yah - Unitas won a superbowl with the Colts in 1970. The best part about it? They beat the Cowturds. Yay for Johnny Unitas!!!

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt1970.htm

[PatFischer37]

how about Fran Tarkenton, OJ Simpson (on the field only please), Sonny Jurgenson, Charley Taylor, Deacon Jones, Dick Butkus, Earl Campbell, Alan Page, Gale Sayers

Your list should be restricted to the early '90's and after

[JoeJGibbs]

Voted for Marino. Barry was amazing to watch but the RB doesnt hold as much weight when winning a superbowl as QB does..imo.
As the QB you are viewed as the General/Leader of your team. When they don't win the "BIG" game they get labled, by lines like.. "he could never get over the hump.. can't win the big one...etc." There are plenty of RB's who dont have superbowl rings. But IMO there arent that many elite QB's to play and not win a superbowl. (Dan Fouts..can't think of any others right now)

[SkinsFTW]

Voted for Marino. Barry was amazing to watch but the RB doesnt hold as much weight when winning a superbowl as QB does..imo.
As the QB you are viewed as the General/Leader of your team. When they don't win the "BIG" game they get labled, by lines like.. "he could never get over the hump.. can't win the big one...etc." There are plenty of RB's who dont have superbowl rings. But IMO there arent that many elite QB's to play and not win a superbowl. (Dan Fouts..can't think of any others right now)

Dan Marino
Fran Tarkenton
Warren Moon
Sonny Jurgenson
Ken Anderson

[SKINS@THEGOALLINE]

Fran Tarkenton?

[ThornWithin]

Barry Sanders, EASY.

Clearly the most talented. :cheers:

[jimster]

Yah - Unitas won a superbowl with the Colts in 1970. The best part about it? They beat the Cowturds. Yay for Johnny Unitas!!!

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt1970.htm

you're right. - I was thinking about the one they lost to the Jets. - Before my time anyway.

[skins0128]

Dan Marino

[BlueTalon]

I was unsure about Steve Largent, but i think they only went to the playoffs once, I could be wrong though.

Twice:
1983, when they made it to the AFC finals and lost against the Raiders the same year the Redskins did; and
1984, when they lost to eventual AFC champ/SB loser Dolphins. That was our 12-4 season, the best ever.

[jthor99]

i voted barry. he ran in single back formations with not a very good line i really wish the man would of kept playing he would of broken every rushing record out there. Absoulte magician with his feet.

[Joncevensen]

want to say dan marino but barry sanders was the greatest running back of all time and i have to say he made his team better every year.

[GhostRider]

I went with Dan but Barry was right behind him.

[Shotgunner]

I met Dan at the Hall of fame, class act, he was the man for a while. :applause:

[Boss_Hogg]

Warren Moon, Chris Carter, Dan Fouts - I think he lost in a SB, Junior Seau