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bubba9497
July-28th-2005, 04:15 PM
Rosenhaus Clients Showing Up in Camps

By Mark Maske
Washington Post Staff Writer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/07/28/BL2005072800848_pf.html



All the fretting done by NFL teams and fans about whether the high-profile clients of agent Drew Rosenhaus would report to their training camps on time is turning out to be, at least so far, much worrying about nothing.

On Wednesday, two prominent players represented by who spent the offseason embroiled in contract disputes with their clubs--Green Bay Packers wide receiver Javon Walker and Indianapolis Colts tailback Edgerrin James--reported to camp on time.

Was that a foreshadowing of what will happen Monday, when wideout Terrell Owens is scheduled to report to the Philadelphia Eagles' camp? Owens has said publicly that he would report on time even if the Eagles reject his request for a new contract, although he wouldn't be happy about it. Rosenhaus has said that nothing is certain, and Owens could leave camp even if he reports.

The Eagles have rebuffed Rosenhaus's attempt to rework the seven-year, $48.97 million contract that Owens signed with the club last year. They say they have no intention of renegotiating a contract one season into a seven-year deal. Rosenhaus says that Owens has outperformed the contract and it's only fair that he be given a new deal.

But he also says that he doesn't like to have his clients hold out from training camps, and that is proving to be true. Walker had threatened to hold out if the Packers didn't rework the five-year contract that he signed with the team as a rookie in 2002. The deal included a $3 million signing bonus and a $1.3 million option bonus in 2003, and pays him salaries of $515,000 this season and $650,000 in 2006. He reached the Pro Bowl last season after amassing 89 catches for 1,382 yards and 12 touchdowns.

Walker skipped the Packers' offseason activities, leading to public rebukes from quarterback Brett Favre. But the club apparently didn't budge--although there was dialogue between the two sides within the past week and it's not clear what Packers officials told Rosenhaus--and Walker showed up Wednesday.

James reported to the Colts' camp on the heels of an offseason in which the team agreed to explore the possibility of trading him but hasn't dealt him, at least not yet. In March, James signed the one-year, $8.081 million contract that the Colts offered him by naming him their franchise player.

If Owens doesn't report to camp, he can be fined by the Eagles and he opens the possibility of the team attempting to force him to return the bulk of the $2.3 million signing bonus he received last year. Owens's contract includes a $3.25 million salary for this season.

Steelers, Ward Negotiating

The Pittsburgh Steelers, who report to training camp Sunday, are attempting to negotiate a contract extension with wide receiver Hines Ward, who has one season remaining on his current deal. It's possible that Ward, who's represented by Eugene Parker and Roosevelt Barnes, will hold out from camp if he doesn't get a new contract. . . .

Owens might show up at the Eagles' camp Monday, but defensive tackle Corey Simon might not. Simon has not signed the one-year, $5.134 million contract that the Eagles offered him by placing the franchise-player tag on him in February. The Eagles nearly traded Simon, who's also represented by Parker and Barnes, to Baltimore during the offseason, but the Ravens balked at his salary demands for a long-term contract. . . .

Another still-unsigned player with the franchise-player tag, defensive end John Abraham, might be absent when the New York Jets report today. Abraham has not signed his one-year, $6.666 million franchise-player contract offer, and wants a long-term deal with a hefty signing bonus. . . .

The New England Patriots have placed defensive end Richard Seymour on their did-not-report list. Patriots veterans are not scheduled to report to camp until today, but Seymour, coming off an injury, was to report earlier. He wants the team to renegotiate a contract that has two seasons remaining on it. . . .

Carolina Panthers officials say they don't expect tailback Stephen Davis to be ready to practice when the club opens camp Friday. Davis is attempting to work his way back from career-threatening microfracture knee surgery but apparently will open training camp on the Panthers' physically-unable-to-perform list. He could be activated from that list at any time, once he passes a physical. . . .

The Miami Dolphins and agent Todd France have temporarily halted negotiations on a contract for tailback Ronnie Brown, the second player chosen in the NFL draft in April, until they see the final version of the six-year, $49.5 million contract that the draft's top overall pick, quarterback Alex Smith, signed with the San Francisco 49ers.

Smith's deal contains $24 million in bonus money, but the Dolphins want to see how the contract is structured--and how and when Smith will receive that $24 million--before proceeding in the Brown negotiations. The club apparently had hoped, before the Smith signing, to sign Brown to a deal containing less than $20 million in bonus money. Now that figure might have to be higher, perhaps as high as $22 million.

The bonus-money total in Smith's contract is 20 percent higher than the $20 million in bonus money that last year's top overall draft selection, quarterback Eli Manning, received as part of his six-year, $45 million contract with the New York Giants. The 49ers initially maintained in deliberations with agent Tom Condon, who represents both Smith and Manning, that Smith should get a contract less lucrative than Manning's, but Condon scoffed at that notion and the team eventually abandoned that negotiating stance. . . .

The Dolphins are negotiating with free-agent safety Lance Schulters, who was released by the Tennessee Titans last month, and could complete a deal today. . . .

Manuel Wright, Miami's rookie defensive tackle who left the practice field in tears Tuesday after being sternly lectured by Coach Nick Saban, was sidelined Wednesday by an ailing back. He was examined by a doctor and could be sidelined for at least a few days.

Kansas_SkinsFan
July-28th-2005, 04:20 PM
you can add Mr. Sean Taylor to that list! Im excited finally to see this kid in pads instead of a suit!

Westbrook36
July-28th-2005, 04:22 PM
Rosenscum is giving bad advice and it seems his clients are finally going against his wishes. Remember, the ONLY way DR gets any money in the TO situation is if TO gets a new deal THIS YEAR. That's why he is pushing TO to make bad decisions. He doesn't care about Owens, Walker, or any of his clients.

He sees very clearly that the fans and the NFL are very against him. Once public sentiment is against you, you might as well just give up.

I do think it's funny how he said there was no way Walker would report with the deal he currently has and then he goes into spin control when Walker reports stating how he never likes to keep players out of camp.

Wait, Drew, didn't you say a few weeks ago they definitely WOULDN'T be coming to camp?

RunPortisRun
July-28th-2005, 04:25 PM
Sean Taylor? Oh you mean Inmate 424734

Monte51Coleman
July-28th-2005, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Westbrook36
Remember, the ONLY way DR gets any money in the TO situation is if TO gets a new deal THIS YEAR.

You sure that is true? Doesn't the agent get his percentage as the player is paid? Did P. Manning write his agent a 10 million dollar check when he signed his new contract or 3-5% of the signing bonus? What if T.O. gets a new deal next year?

Westbrook36
July-28th-2005, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Monte51Coleman


You sure that is true? Doesn't the agent get his percentage as the player is paid? Did P. Manning write his agent a 10 million dollar check when he signed his new contract or 3-5% of the signing bonus? What if T.O. gets a new deal next year?

Well, TOs current deal was negotiated by his former agent. You are right, WHEN he gets a new deal next year, Drew will get his cut.

It's interesting. TO essentially took tons of money off his own table by taking this horrid advice.

Starting next year, he will be set to receive 18 million over the next three years. You can listen to the spin all you want, but the Eagles don't cut aging players who are producing, simply for salary reasons. Its a known fact that they have/had already set the cap space aside for TO's 06-08 contracts.

All TO had to do is play like he did last year and it is almost a slam dunk he'd have made that money.

Now, there is simply no way he will be an Eagle next year. So I ask, WHERE exactly is TO going to get a deal which gives him 20 million over three years, especially after the stunt he pulled this year.

It's not going to happen.

bigcak118
July-28th-2005, 04:40 PM
Drew is not known for holding out his players.

He gets them to camp on time and teams generally like to negotiate with him. ie Redskins.

He is hated by other agents and fans.

Look at who is taking all the heat for these players threatening hold outs. It isn't the players. Drew is taking the brunt of the critisicm. That is a pretty good agent.

stevenaa
July-28th-2005, 04:48 PM
Westbrook,

Are you really trying to blame TO's behavior on DR. Give me a break. TO started this and sought an agent he felt could pull it off. This is all squarely on TO's shoulders. He's a selfish primadonna that is all about the ME.

Monte51Coleman
July-28th-2005, 04:48 PM
The reason I'm asking is because players change agents mid-stream all the time without renegotiating a new contract. I find it hard to believe that the new agents would want to wipe these guys noses and hold their hands for free until the current contract runs out.

bubba9497
July-28th-2005, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Westbrook36
Rosenscum is giving bad advice and it seems his clients are finally going against his wishes. Remember, the ONLY way DR gets any money in the TO situation is if TO gets a new deal THIS YEAR. That's why he is pushing TO to make bad decisions. He doesn't care about Owens, Walker, or any of his clients.

He sees very clearly that the fans and the NFL are very against him. Once public sentiment is against you, you might as well just give up.

I do think it's funny how he said there was no way Walker would report with the deal he currently has and then he goes into spin control when Walker reports stating how he never likes to keep players out of camp.

Wait, Drew, didn't you say a few weeks ago they definitely WOULDN'T be coming to camp?

:nono: Rosenhaus never advises to holdout, and his client history backs that up

Westbrook36
July-28th-2005, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by bubba9497


:nono: Rosenhaus never advises to holdout, and his client history backs that up

Rosenhaus also said in his book that an agent never wants to make negotiations public and through the media because it strengthens the teams resolve and turns public sentament against his agent.

Seems like he is doing lots of things nowadays which he didn't do in the past.

So, Bubba, I guess all his pandering and bravado was just a boy crying wolf?

Eagles_Legendz
July-28th-2005, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by bubba9497


:nono: Rosenhaus never advises to holdout, and his client history backs that up


Mike McKenzie?

Either way, the blame falls on both Owens and Rosenhaus shoulders. No reason to make excuses for either.

bubba9497
July-28th-2005, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Westbrook36


Rosenhaus also said in his book that an agent never wants to make negotiations public and through the media because it strengthens the teams resolve and turns public sentament against his agent.

Seems like he is doing lots of things nowadays which he didn't do in the past.

So, Bubba, I guess all his pandering and bravado was just a boy crying wolf?

he's doesn't advise it..... but who can hush up TO :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

bubba9497
July-28th-2005, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz



Mike McKenzie?

Either way, the blame falls on both Owens and Rosenhaus shoulders. No reason to make excuses for either.

advise = makes suggestion...

the client makes his OWN decisions

Westbrook36
July-28th-2005, 05:11 PM
Ok, so you are saying that the agent is giving his clients bad advice.

Um, why exactly do you have an agent again? :laugh:

That's like if my money manager gives me horrible advice on what stocks to buy and then I buy them and lose all my money. Yep, I'm the one responsible but would you call my money manager competent?

GoDannyBoy
July-28th-2005, 05:24 PM
Ask LaVar why he has an agent. A whole lot of bad juju there! The teams are getting rich, but only a few select player make a "payday." Then a number of these guys disappear afterwards.

APBT
July-28th-2005, 05:32 PM
If I were a player I would choose The Rose. I would take all the money I could get, so by the time I retire I can pay someone to play with my kids due to the fact that my injuries may hamper me from such activities.

APBT
July-28th-2005, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by GoDannyBoy
Ask LaVar why he has an agent. A whole lot of bad juju there! The teams are getting rich, but only a few select player make a "payday." Then a number of these guys disappear afterwards.

My thing with the Lavar situation is, if the Skins told him that they were going to give him 6.5 and didnt put it in his contract then shame on them.

I am also having a problem with the fact that since they didnt put it in the contract, why are they saying that he should have read the damn contract if they promised him that money anyways.

Somebody is lying and I dont think it is Lavar nor the Postons.:2cents:

Eagles_Legendz
July-28th-2005, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by bubba9497


advise = makes suggestion...

the client makes his OWN decisions


I'm not taking the blame off of Owens shoulders, simply correcting a false statement on your part.

:)

jpgirth
July-28th-2005, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by Westbrook36


Well, TOs current deal was negotiated by his former agent. You are right, WHEN he gets a new deal next year, Drew will get his cut.

It's interesting. TO essentially took tons of money off his own table by taking this horrid advice.

Starting next year, he will be set to receive 18 million over the next three years. You can listen to the spin all you want, but the Eagles don't cut aging players who are producing, simply for salary reasons. Its a known fact that they have/had already set the cap space aside for TO's 06-08 contracts.

All TO had to do is play like he did last year and it is almost a slam dunk he'd have made that money.

Now, there is simply no way he will be an Eagle next year. So I ask, WHERE exactly is TO going to get a deal which gives him 20 million over three years, especially after the stunt he pulled this year.

It's not going to happen.
It's a known fact that they would give him that money???????????
TO knows he would never have seen that money. Why do you think he is holding out. They were going to force a renogation/release on him after this year.

The eagles guarantee those three years (18million) he would shut up.

AzSkinsFan63
July-28th-2005, 08:17 PM
So ealry next offseason any threats of holdouts by a Rosenhaus Player will be completely ignored...

bubba9497
July-28th-2005, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by Eagles_Legendz



I'm not taking the blame off of Owens shoulders, simply correcting a false statement on your part.

:)


I wasn't wrong, Rosenhaus didn't advise McKenzie to hol out, that was his choice.

richard saunders
July-29th-2005, 01:44 PM
If I was Rosenhaus, I'd be doing the same thing in T.O.'s case

ccsl2
July-29th-2005, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by jpgirth

It's a known fact that they would give him that money???????????
TO knows he would never have seen that money. Why do you think he is holding out. They were going to force a renogation/release on him after this year.

The eagles guarantee those three years (18million) he would shut up.


Exactly...The Eagles already told TO that the deal is essentially a 2 year deal...Th Eagles are digging their own grave by not showing TO the money.

richard saunders
July-29th-2005, 02:14 PM
Seymour is offically a holdout....

Frankly, I think he should

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8686901

All-Pro DE Seymour not on field for Pats' first practice
July 29, 2005
CBS SportsLine.com wire reports




FOXBORO, Mass. -- Three-time Pro Bowl defensive lineman Richard Seymour skipped the opening practice of the New England Patriots' training camp on Friday, starting what could be a lengthy holdout.



Seymour's absence would further erode the core of the Patriots' defense.

A day earlier, veteran linebacker Ted Johnson unexpectedly announced his retirement, citing a series of concussions and fear of long-term damage. And last week, Tedy Bruschi said he would sit out the entire 2005 season while he recovers from a mild stroke, leaving New England without either of its starting inside linebackers from last year's championship team.

Seymour, who wants to renegotiate a contract that has two years remaining, also did not report to the team's June minicamp.

Coach Bill Belichick said after Friday's practice that he was "just concentrating on the people that are here. Coach the guys that are here."

Seymour's teammates didn't pass judgment but said they want with the team.


Bill Belichick says he doesn't want to comment on Richard Seymour's absence from training camp. (Getty Images)
"We love Seymour," safety Rodney Harrison said. "We miss him. We support him."

Quarterback Tom Brady said, "Richard's a great person. He's a great teammate. Hopefully, he's here (soon). I can't control it, so I'm just going to go out there and worry about playing quarterback."

Linebacker Mike Vrabel also refrained from taking a position on Seymour's holdout.

"I don't really have any thoughts on Richard," he said. "I can only comment on the people that are out here right now practicing."

Vrabel, though, reportedly has the kind of long-term extension Seymour is seeking, as does defensive end Jarvis Green. According to the Boston Herald, Green, who started in the playoffs last season while Seymour was injured, is getting a five-year contract worth between $12 million and $18 million. Terms of Vrabel's deal were not available, according to the Herald.

Drafted sixth overall in 2001 by the Patriots out of Georgia, Seymour was named to the Pro Bowl in two of his first three seasons. He missed the last game of the regular season and the AFC playoffs last year with a knee injury, but returned for the Super Bowl, logging two tackles, including a sack of Philadelphia quarterback Donovan McNabb.

Seymour signed his six-year, $14.3 million deal in 2001, his rookie year.

Although holdouts are common in the NFL, the Patriots have largely been spared in recent years. Several high-profile players have signed below-market deals to remain with the team, including Bruschi and Brady.

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bnacpa
July-29th-2005, 02:27 PM
TO's agent before DR also failed to send in the proper paperwork to the 49ers to get him listed as a free agent last year ... which is why the NFL got invovled and it almost went to arbitration before finally going to Philly through Baltimore ...

So I don't blame him for switching agents regardless of his Leon attitude

Westbrook36
July-29th-2005, 02:28 PM
Richard Seymour is the best all around DE in football.

richard saunders
July-29th-2005, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by Westbrook36
Richard Seymour is the best all around DE in football.

Agreed...

To me the ultimate judge of a franchise is winning Super Bowls, but....

When do we consider the "team over individual" attitude in cases like Seymour/Law/Troy Brown?

I don't like the, "The guy signed a contract/he should play it out" arguement. Just because you take a job at $10 an hourt doesn't mean you need to play that out...does it?

This is Seymour's rookie deal! The guy deserves more money. Just as Law has deserved more money the last 3 years... (I know he was franchised and he had a bad attitude).

I think Rosenhaus has more contract squabbles with teams like the Patriots and Eagles because of this reason. As long as they're making the playoffs than they can always use this "team over attitude" excuse.

To me there has to be a more happy medium for fans, players, and the team as a whole. And it's name is Dan Snyder :D