Bush, GOP Labeled 'Thieves' Who 'Need to be Locked Up'

[flyingtiger1013]

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1344556.html

Atlanta (CNSNews.com) - A featured speaker at Saturday's civil rights march in Atlanta said the Bush administration and Republican Party leaders are "thieves" who "need to be locked up" for stealing the past two presidential elections and presiding over federal budget deficits and the war in Iraq.

"They all need to be locked up because they are all criminals and they are all thieves," said Judge Greg Mathis, the star of the syndicated television program "The Judge Mathis Show."

Mathis made his remarks to an enthusiastic crowd assembled in Atlanta to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Participants are launching a two-year campaign to extend and strengthen key aspects of the act when it expires in 2007.

"It is indeed criminal to steal an election and within two years run up a federal deficit of half-a-trillion dollars, send our young people over to Iraq to die for an unjust war. What they are doing is criminal," Mathis said to loud cheers.

The march was sponsored by the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and included leaders from the National Urban League, The Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the NAACP, and the AFL-CIO.

Entertainer/activist Harry Belafonte also used charged rhetoric during the march when he referred to black members of the Bush administration as "black tyrants."

Mathis, whose speech drew the largest and most raucous reception from the crowd, also chastised the Supreme Court for its role in the 2000 presidential recount.

"[The] Supreme Court was an accomplice to the biggest election crime in history in 2000. And I call it a crime because indeed that is exactly what it was," he said to applause.

The Bush administration was equated with past policies of slavery and segregation and labeled "the enemy of our (black America's) progress" by Mathis.

"They shot and missed when they enslaved, segregated and oppressed our people. They shot and missed when they stole the past two presidential elections. They shot and missed when they denied our right to vote," Mathis said.

An extension and strengthening of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 is imperative to ensure black Americans the right to vote, according to Mathis. "The enemy of democracy continues to attack voting rights here, while they try to fight for democracy in Iraq," he said.

'Intimidation and discrepancies'Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California appeared at the march and noted that minorities may not have had full voting rights in the last two presidential elections.

"Some changes have to be made so we don't have a repeat of 2000 and 2004 where there was intimidation and discrepancies at the polls," Pelosi told Cybercast News Service during the voting rights march.

"In the state of Ohio, where they had fewer voting booths and long lines in minority neighborhoods and no lines and many voting booths in white neighborhoods, that the balance is not what it should have been," she added.

U.S. Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) echoed the accusation of many at the march that Bush was an illegitimate president.

"The last two elections were stolen. They were stolen and so we will not rest until we reclaim our democracy and this is what today is all about," Lee told the crowd gathered.

Lee also called the war in Iraq "unnecessary, immoral and illegal" and added "our nation was lied to in order to justify this invasion and occupation."

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) made it clear who the marchers were directing their anger at on Saturday.

"We are here to take on President Bush, [Vice President] Dick Cheney. We are here to take on [House Majority Leader] Tom DeLay. We are here to take on the new appointee to the Supreme Court, John Roberts," Waters said from the podium to cheers from the crowd.

'Cause Mother Earth so much pain'

Musician Stevie Wonder addressed the marchers demanding that the Voting Rights Act be extended and strengthened.

"Having to demand that we have a bill that will guarantee the voting rights of all American citizens forever is ridiculous," Wonder said. He also read the lyrics of an upcoming song to be released in September.

"At this time we have a choice to make. Father God is watching while we cause Mother Earth so much pain. It's such a shame. Not enough money for the young, the old, the poor, but for war there is always more," Wonder said.

The Bush administration was also targeted by Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), who declared that the president's "record against human rights, civil rights, economic rights, is absolutely terrible."

Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) said America was being ruled by the "Bush mentality," where "crony capitalism" was supreme.

Jesse Jackson said the Voting Rights Act extension is critical because "the same old enemies of civil rights and voting rights will always keep up their ugly activities.

"Race baiters and discriminators may go underground, but they never move out of town," Jackson said.

The organizers of Saturday's march want to strengthen and preserve Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, which maintains that states with a discriminatory past must submit all changes in voting procedures to the U.S. Department of Justice for approval in order to ensure the changes do not have racially discriminatory effects or purposes.

While the Bush administration and House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) have indicated that they would support full reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act provisions in 2007, the organizers of Saturday's march believe they must begin acting now to ensure their goals.

[E-Dog Night]

I have a question.

Why is it that republicans on this board claim that we can't believe what the "liberal media" says, because they are biased -- but then, they will post something from a religious right wing website, and expect us to take it seriously?

[skinsfan44]

Oh, those wacky liberals. :doh:

Quote from artical.....

"The march was sponsored by the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition."

Enough said.

[Destino]

No one ever said something like that about Clinton...never ever! :doh:

[sith lord]

Discredit it all you want, but what was said in the article is the truth.

[airborneskins]

I have a question.. Why can't people just wake up and realize that President Bush (whether they like it or not,) won the past 2 elections.

Another question. Why is it that Harry Belafontaine calls the Black members of the Bush administration "black tyrants?"

1 more.. Jesse Jackson said "Race baiters and discriminators may go underground, but they never move out of town." Isn't he one of the biggest racists of all? Seems kind of Hypocritical to me..

And to answer your question E-Dog, Some of your fellow lefties post stuff from truly biased pages too.

[NoCalMike]

The march was to support the extension of the "VOTERS RIGHT ACT" what is so LIBERAL about that? What various people chanted and/or happened to say is irrelevent as the purpose of the march was to extend something that is a pretty good idea to have in place.

[sith lord]

Why is there still a voter's right act? Shouldn't it be permanant by now?

[lckelsey4]

What a joke.

[Destino]

Originally posted by sith lord
Discredit it all you want, but what was said in the article is the truth. I have no doubt that it is true, I just question why known wing nuts saying things that wing nuts are known to say is news.

[Painkiller]

and the great divide between the left and the right continues to widen in this country.... :doh:

How bad will it get?

[ccsl2]

Originally posted by airborneskins
I have a question.. Why can't people just wake up and realize that President Bush (whether they like it or not,) won the past 2 elections.

Another question. Why is it that Harry Belafontaine calls the Black members of the Bush administration "black tyrants?"

1 more.. Jesse Jackson said "Race baiters and discriminators may go underground, but they never move out of town." Isn't he one of the biggest racists of all? Seems kind of Hypocritical to me..

And to answer your question E-Dog, Some of your fellow lefties post stuff from truly biased pages too.


Jesse Jackson racist...No where near a racist...Jesse Jackson an Opportunist...hell yeah

[NoCalMike]

Originally posted by Painkiller
and the great divide between the left and the right continues to widen in this country.... :doh:

How bad will it get?

I must press the question once again though, what is "LIBERAL" about wanting to extend the Voters Right Act? Correct me if I am wrong but the Consitution does not specifically address people's right to vote. Here is a link to the Voting Rights Act to see what these "Terrible liberal communists" were marching for.........


http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/intro/intro_a.htm

[Kilmer17]

Before we get deep into this debate, I think everyone should take some time to read what the Voting Rights Act does, and specifically what the Administration opposes.

[Painkiller]

What I was mainly referring to was the accusations thrown at the Bush administration. "Thieves," "they all need to be locked up," "they stole both elections" and some of the other comments made therein. I have no problem with them extending the Voting Rights Act. Why all the b.s. about Bush though?

What is Mathis referring to when he states " The enemy of democracy continues to attack voting rights here, while they try to fight for democracy in Iraq." How has the Bush adminstration "attacked" voting rights?

[ccsl2]

Originally posted by Painkiller
What I was mainly referring to was the accusations thrown at the Bush administration. "Thieves," "they all need to be locked up," "they stole both elections" and some of the other comments made therein. I have no problem with them extending the Voting Rights Act. Why all the b.s. about Bush though?

What is Mathis referring to when he states " The enemy of democracy continues to attack voting rights here, while they try to fight for democracy in Iraq." How has the Bush adminstration "attacked" voting rights?


I think Mathis was referring to some of the well reported "tactics" that were used by some folks in Florida during the 2000 elections that hindered some voters (mostly minority voters) from being able to vote. They were widely reported during the election of 2000 and some were reported in 2004 as well.

[Kilmer17]

reported and never substantiated or proven.

[NoCalMike]

Originally posted by Kilmer17
reported and never substantiated or proven.

The ratio of voting machines in certain districts has been proven I believe. Of course people who nay say, say it was simply coincidence.

Of course, how much invesitgative reporting our media still does is highly questionable.

[Kilmer17]

It also wasnt illegal.

[ccsl2]

Originally posted by Kilmer17
reported and never substantiated or proven.


You may be right Kilmer...but where there's smoke, there's fire.

[FlyinO]

Originally posted by Kilmer17
It also wasnt illegal.

So that makes it right.....:doh:

I'm tired of politicians using that line as if it makes what they did more ethical.

Bush is running this country into the ground. Who would of thought that record spending would result from a GOP admin. I was led to believe when I was younger that "conservatives" "hate" spending our money. Now I see that was just propaganda and BS. Both parties are bad for America.

[Kilmer17]

Originally posted by FlyinO


So that makes it right.....:doh:

I'm tired of politicians using that line as if it makes what they did more ethical.

Bush is running this country into the ground. Who would of thought that record spending would result from a GOP admin. I was led to believe when I was younger that "conservatives" "hate" spending our money. Now I see that was just propaganda and BS. Both parties are bad for America.

What was "wrong" about it? The law said X-Y number of voting machines needed to be used. The local precincts decided the exact number and as long as it was within X-Y it was legal. What should Bush and the GOP done differently?

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

When machines were taken off military bases, where were the cries for justice then?

But that actually happened. Most of these other allegations are not only murky but probably demonstrably false.

I recall the investigation by DOJ(before it was turned over to Bush admin) into Florida revealed nothing that constituted voter harrassment or intimidation.

Sadly, some complaints involved 'long lines.' Well, gee whiz Phil, I guess it sucks to wait considering there are people who've risked getting blown to pieces to stand in line. And the leadership of that precinct/town runs that particular site, not Republicans or whatever bogeyman is being conjured up.

[FlyinO]

Originally posted by Kilmer17


What was "wrong" about it? The law said X-Y number of voting machines needed to be used. The local precincts decided the exact number and as long as it was within X-Y it was legal. What should Bush and the GOP done differently?

Two elections, too many questions. Especially in Florida, where the prez's brother just happens to be governer.

To get to the meat of your question, as a Republic, our governments most immportant task is to make sure that the voting process is correct, transparent, and easy for us citizens. Any deviation from that, and well, just use your imagination.

[Mooka]

Originally posted by sith lord
Why is there still a voter's right act? Shouldn't it be permanant by now?

it should but its not. The "act" ends in 2007. Technically certain minorities could loose the right to vote in 2007.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Originally posted by Mooka


it should but its not. The "act" ends in 2007. Technically certain minorities could loose the right to vote in 2007.

That's really not true.

The Voting Rights Act was merely meant to enshrine in federal law the basic principles of the 14th amendment(well, included some other things also.)

By being American citizens, all people have the right to vote.

That's an email urban legend that's been spread of late and I can't believe it's maintained its wind.

[NoCalMike]

When the CEO of Diebold(which is the manufacturer of the electronic voting machines) says 6 months before the election "We are going to deliver Ohio for George Bush" I would say it is reasonable for suspicions to arise. Also Diebold officials said they didn't know how to make voting machines that can print receipts and/or copies/tickets etc....yet they also manufacture ATM MACHINES which print paper receipts.

[NoCalMike]

Originally posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin


That's really not true.

The Voting Rights Act was merely meant to enshrine in federal law the basic principles of the 14th amendment(well, included some other things also.)

By being American citizens, all people have the right to vote.

That's an email urban legend that's been spread of late and I can't believe it's maintained its wind.

Why doesn't the current Administration want it extended? I haven't read their position but according to Kilmer17, they don't.

[Gichin13]

Originally posted by E-Dog Night
I have a question.

Why is it that republicans on this board claim that we can't believe what the "liberal media" says, because they are biased -- but then, they will post something from a religious right wing website, and expect us to take it seriously?

Scaraborough I believe was running recorded snips from the speech. The guy actually said this crazy stuff. Lots of big name Dems were apparently there at the event as well.

[BlueTalon]

Originally posted by E-Dog Night
I have a question.

Why is it that republicans on this board claim that we can't believe what the "liberal media" says, because they are biased -- but then, they will post something from a religious right wing website, and expect us to take it seriously?

I heard this on CBS radio news.



Originally posted by ccsl2
Jesse Jackson racist...No where near a racist...Jesse Jackson an Opportunist...hell yeah

He's a racial opportunist.

[Thiebear]

Getting back "ON subject".
He's got the freedom of speech to say it.. anywhere, anytime.

And the Democrats/Leader that were there and didnt say it was a little overboard have their right also.. but don't be upset if its brought up during their next election...

It's outlandish things like that with the bobbleheads in the background that make them seem "tinfoilly". Just as you were saying about Rush and them in the last couple years of Clinton.

[BlueTalon]

Originally posted by NoCalMike
I think Mathis was referring to some of the well reported "tactics" that were used by some folks in Florida during the 2000 elections that hindered some voters (mostly minority voters) from being able to vote. They were widely reported during the election of 2000 and some were reported in 2004 as well.


The ratio of voting machines in certain districts has been proven I believe. Of course people who nay say, say it was simply coincidence.

Of course, how much invesitgative reporting our media still does is highly questionable.

Most of the voting irregularities in Florida took place in Democrat controlled counties. Why is it that poorly managed voting in Democrat counties is the fault of Republicans? Details, please.

[The Evil Genius]

And here I thought the main problem in Florida was the alleged purging of the voting rolls by a company (GOP affiliated, allegedly) that had bad data (i.e. they marked some eligible voters incorrectly as felons without the right to vote).


I would be more concerned with that, if true - then potential minor voting problems such as long lines.

[Cskin]

"We are here to take on President Bush, [Vice President] Dick Cheney. We are here to take on [House Majority Leader] Tom DeLay. We are here to take on the new appointee to the Supreme Court, John Roberts," Waters said from the podium to cheers from the crowd.- Maxine Waters
That's all I needed to read. The above from a woman who justified rioting and stealing because the people had no money.... immediately blaming that mere fact on someone else... even when they people she champions live in her own district. :doh:


Most of the voting irregularities in Florida took place in Democrat controlled counties. Why is it that poorly managed voting in Democrat counties is the fault of Republicans? Details, please.
Actually, it's part of the Left's game. When they don't win... it's obviously because someone else stole it from them and cheated them out of what's obviously their birth right. Couldn't possibly be that the country is waking up and realizing that Liberalism in it's extreme form.... the form holding the steering wheel... is ruining this country. Conversely, hey... I'm just as afraid of the bible thumping right.... but I'll take the lesser of two evils. :D

In a Utopia... we'd give both parties the heave ho and ban organized parties from politics. Currently, it's a two party system in which both parties choose not to allow any other party to participate. It's this two party system, you're either in or you're out, that's greased the skids to ruin in this country unless critical mass is reached and the PEOPLE finally demand their country back.

[The Evil Genius]

Speaking of Florida and voting rolls being purged...it's dated I know - but it speaks of the problems that occurred there (and I am sure, in many other states).


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/state/florida/2004-05-25-felons-purged_x.htm


Florida hoping to avoid problems as voting rolls purged of felons

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Supervisors of elections are going through the tedious process of purging felons from voting lists, hoping to avoid removing people who are entitled to vote — a problem that became a sore subject after the 2000 presidential recount.

Supervisors are reviewing thousands of names of people who may not be eligible to vote under state law because of felony convictions. But the lists they're working from contain people who have not lost their right to vote.

Some may have been charged with a felony, but not convicted. Some may have reached a plea bargain that reduced charges to a misdemeanor. Some may have had their voting rights restored by the Clemency Board.

And some may just be on the list by mistake.

"We don't think for a moment that all of those names are matches," said Secretary of State Glenda Hood.

It only took a moment for the Leon County elections office to find out that there were flaws.

"Within three minutes we identified an individual who should not be on the list. Right off the bat," said Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho. He said one of his employees knew the individual.

Supervisors of elections in all 67 counties have to go over the names one-by-one and verify that people on the list are indeed felons, that they are the same people on voting lists and that their voting rights have not been restored.

"The state has had a tough time implementing the law," said Kay Clem, the Indian River County supervisor who also serves as president of the Florida Association of Supervisors of Elections.

After the 2000 election, in which George W. Bush was declared the winner by 537 votes following five weeks of recounts and challenges, cases popped up around the state of people who were taken off of voting rolls even though they weren't felons.

A private company was hired to identify ineligible voters before the 2000 election, but the list it created contained scores of errors and elections supervisors used it to remove voters without verifying its accuracy.

Clem said she received three calls during the 2000 election from voters who complained they were mistakenly taken off voter rolls. She allowed each to vote.

"How do you make somebody prove on election day that they're not a felon?" she said. "I'd rather err on the side of letting them vote than not vote."

While acknowledging that there are still problems with this year's list, which is provided by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, supervisors say each of the counties will verify each name before removing someone from voting rolls.

"We have to do research, we have to investigate. There will be no supervisor of elections, as they did in 2000 for example, that will utilize the list exclusively to remove voters," said Sancho. "We understand now that the lists are imperfect. If the supervisor of elections can't determine that an individual is a felon with 100% certainty, they shouldn't be removed."

Clem has sent an e-mail to each of the supervisors saying that they will discuss how to handle the felons purge at the supervisors' annual conference in Key West next month.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, which criticized problems with the voting lists after the 2000 election, is monitoring this year's purge.

But Charles Evans, president of the Leon County NAACP, said the state is making a better effort to make sure mistakes aren't made.

"There is a change and there's more concern," he said. "I don't believe they want to see what happened in 2000 happen again in 2004. It would send a real bad message to everyone around the United States."

The American Civil Liberties Union, Florida Democratic Party and other groups have expressed concerns over the purge.

"That's really irresponsible on behalf of the state to send a list that they know is imperfect to the county supervisors," said Scott Maddox, chairman of the Florida Democratic Party.

[The Evil Genius]

Originally posted by Cskin


Actually, it's part of the Left's game.


And that's all I needed to read. Both parties are guilty of bitching when it doesn't go their way - and both are guilty of shouting out fraud when it comes to close and contested elections.

[BlueTalon]

Well, there's obviously a need for reform, in a lot of areas. The mess with the felon list / purging of the voter rolls is one of the main things that led to the introduction of provisional ballots. Now we have problems, such as in King County in Washinton State, where poll workers or election officials dumped the provisional ballots in with the regular ballots. Some of this was discussed in an earlier thread. Some of my recommendations:

Government issued photo ID and proof of residency to register.
Government issued photo ID to vote.
Paper ballots that are marked not punched.
Provisional ballots for people who should be registered but whose names don't show up on the rolls -- and those provisional ballots go into a locked box which is not opened until all other votes are counted.
All polls in the country open and close at the same time.
Federally approved all-purpose ballots to be used by military servicemen, which can be faxed and treated as provisional ballots.

http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1512437#post1512437

[rictus58]

[/B] [/B][/QUOTE]"Race baiters and discriminators may go underground, but they never move out of town," Jackson said.

Yup, Jesse Jackson...He's ALWAYS in town.

[chomerics]

When are you people going to realize this crap polarizes the divide in our country???

Oh yea, I'm a uniter, not a divider :rolleyes:

Yes, and I have some oceanfront property to sell you in Kansas too. :doh:


Posting this is akin to me posting a lovely piece on Fred Phelps showing the posters . . . Hey, look at how righties think!!!

It's not only un-news worthy, but it does nothing except increase the polarization of each side.

[rictus58]

Originally posted by chomerics
When are you people going to realize this crap polarizes the divide in our country???

Oh yea, I'm a uniter, not a divider :rolleyes:

Yes, and I have some oceanfront property to sell you in Kansas too. :doh:


Posting this is akin to me posting a lovely piece on Fred Phelps showing the posters . . . Hey, look at how righties think!!!

It's not only un-news worthy, but it does nothing except increase the polarization of each side.

I disagree, I feel it to be very news-worthy.
When celebrities voice opinions that comapre the Bush administration to Nazi germany, i think it should make the news. Mostly because it shows how the extreme-left is doggie paddling in the shallow end of the gene pool.
I think it is news worthy because these are the type of people Jesse Jackson associates with. The more we can get people to dislike Jessee Jackson, the better off a lot of us will be.

I agree, it polarizes the country to some extent. I think people shouldn't pay attention to something a celebrity says re: politics.

[BlueTalon]

Originally posted by chomerics
When are you people going to realize this crap polarizes the divide in our country???

Oh yea, I'm a uniter, not a divider :rolleyes:

Yes, and I have some oceanfront property to sell you in Kansas too. :doh:


Posting this is akin to me posting a lovely piece on Fred Phelps showing the posters . . . Hey, look at how righties think!!!

It's not only un-news worthy, but it does nothing except increase the polarization of each side.

News Flash: the country is already polarized. And refraining from posting something like this isn't going to make a bit of difference. Case in point: How far to the right do you think you would have moved, if these posts hadn't been here?

I find it interesting that you'd critique people here for posting and commenting, due to polarization, but you apparently give Jesse Jackson and company a pass. Do you see nothing odd or inconsistant in that?


Who is Fred Phelps?

[Thiebear]

Its not newsworthy that a guy that constantly criticizes Bush does it again.
Its not newsworthy that someone else says the scotus stole the presidency for Bush..

It is news when 4 or 5 Democratic leaders show up and participate...