And I thought our QB sucked...

[TimFolk]

...is anybody watching the Ravens game? This guy mechanics and field vision is horrible.

[redskins4life234]

if your talking about kyle boller, yes he does suck.

[TheREALJBird]

Yea I used to think that Boller could do something but i'm not so sure....I think Wright should start there instead

[RayLewis]

Boller had a better game then Wright had. Wright overthrew the TD winnin throw. Boller is bad for throwin in slants but he is a pro at the shotgun.

[TheREALJBird]

Boller had a better game then Wright had. Wright overthrew the TD winnin throw. Boller is bad for throwin in slants but he is a pro at the shotgun.

Wright is better, Boller is way inconsistent, Ravens have a lot of potential but Boller will bring them down if he can't get his act together

[stupidsuck]

I remember being at the atrocious QB display (Ravens- skins game) last year....a few Ravens fans behind me (not obnoxious people, surprisingly) totally commiserated with Brunell's struggles because they wholeheartedly admitted that Boller was garbage.

[f_trizzy]

Hey if you ever need someone to throw a pass through the uprights from a knee, Boller is your man.

I think the Ravens and the Lions are in the same boat, both afraid to admit they drafted terrible quarterbacks. Boller and Harrington have gotten more than enough chances to this point and if neither of them get their respective teams into the playoffs this year it will be time for the organizations to face the fact that they made a bad pick.

[Walking Deadman]

Boller looked horrible.
Overthrowing most plays, underthrowing when a hand is in his face. Fumbles when gets hit.

I feel sorry for Derrick Mason, the guy is such a talent and Boller has a hard time hitting him.

Plus the Ravens run game struggled (granted J. Lewis didn't play) and that is their strong point.

[Mr Platypus]

Boller did look bad. However, Ramsey looked no better. Sure...he's got a great arm and a good attitude. He makes very poor decisions and can't scramble at all.

The Skins' are going nowhere with him at the helm.

You may say, "Wait 'til the season starts." We've seen what this guy can do; I mean, can't do. He is not an acceptable NFL QB.

If I were Joe Gibbs, I certainly would not be passing inside the 20.

[RayLewis]

Boller at least gettin some better, i think within this or next year he'll get his QB rating to 80, we can probably still make playoffs and do some damage there if he only gets his rating up a little bit this year. Our Preseason is bad because our defensive starters are are strong point, and our RB, and defense didnt play much. we still should have won the game, NFL needs a rule change about illegal forward pass, they dont just charge illegal passes forward,they call almost all pitches. we would have won that game if it werent for that.

[Skins24]

You may say, "Wait 'til the season starts." We've seen what this guy can do; I mean, can't do. He is not an acceptable NFL QB.
When?

[Mr Platypus]

10 games in 2002
11 games in 2003
9 games in 2004

That's 30 games. However, for the sake of argument, how many games is an accurate barometer of a quarterback?

Further, do think this guy can take the Skins' to the playoffs?

[stupidsuck]

yea, I'm watching the replay on NFL network and I suddenly don't feel so bad about Ramsey anymore

[Mr Platypus]

Believe me, I want him to do well. However, there were a few things I noticed:

- He seemed uneasy in the pocket (i.e., patting the ball, happy feet, etc.)
- He seems to overthrow the post
- He's a little Bledsoeesque when he scrambles.

[kants1]

as a skins fan in cincinnati i am struck by the fact that the bengals are finally actually on the ascent. first,danny boy made a big mistake in letting marvin lewis get away- the draft has super for 2 straight years!!carson palmer is the real article given the fact that the O line is average. chad johnson, rudi johnson(apologies to clinton portis), houshmanzadeh and kelly washington are superior to the skill players on the skins offense. second, the skins have wasted 4 to 5 years since mr snyder took over. his ego has gotten to the skins to the current mediocre state.
i hope it is not too late for the whole organisation to admit that we need a good personnel man. joe gibbs is a great coach but his personnel moves suck-can any one say desmond howard?
go skins!!

[Skins24]

10 games in 2002
11 games in 2003
9 games in 2004

That's 30 games. However, for the sake of argument, how many games is an accurate barometer of a quarterback?

Further, do think this guy can take the Skins' to the playoffs?
That's 30 games he's been in, not played from start to finish.
Anyway, since 2004 was his first year in a real NFL system, let's focus on that. In his 7 starts:
His completion percentage = 66.58%
1313 yards (3001 yards over 16 games)
8 TDs (18 over 16 games)
6 Ints (13 over 16 games)
QB rating averages to 85.6
Not too bad for having to learn an NFL system for the first time.


An accurate barometer?
I would say it depends on the circumstances, if the team and coaches around him are good then in two years you should have a much better idea if he will be successful or not.

Do I think we can make it to the playoffs with Ramsey? Sure, why not. Us getting there will have more to do with our great defense and stellar running game than Ramsey. Ramsey doesn't have to be great for us to get there. Just look at last year, if we had just scored a few more points a game, we would have been in. All we need Ramsey to do is keep get us those few more points a game (which he showed last year in his starts that he can do).

[Mr Platypus]

According to the sites I looked at, Ramsey has started 30 games. Although, that is not really important.

I hope he does well. I'm just not counting on it.

[GSF]

Just some rediculous armchair quarterbacking going on in this thread. Here's a newflash for you fools: quarterbacking in the NFL is difficult. Actually, it's extremely difficult. Ramsey and Boller have both started about 27/28 games. That's not even 2 seasons worth, and Ramsey had the misfortune of playing half of those games in 2 totally different offenses, under 2 coaches that couldn't be more different.

There are very few guys who come out and light it up in their first few seasons. Almost all young qbs make lots of mistakes and "make poor decisions and look like they have happy feet back there". I remember Manning's first season, guys were saying he'd never make it in the nfl b/c he "made bad decisions" and threw a lot of picks. He did do significantly better in his second and third seasons, but he didn't really start lighting up the nfl until his fifth season, and this is the number 1 draft pick we're talking about here. Really, Carr and Harrington are in their make it or break it years, and they've played way more games than Ramsey and Boller.

Ramsey and Boller could be busts, or they could get good, it's too soon to say. To say that they suck, or they "don't see the field well" after a couple of preseason games is just silly.

[[[ghost]]]

at least ramsey could take a hit. boller freaks out when a man is coming at him dead on....

[chef8181]

...then wake up and look at Chicago's QB situation. Rex Groosman is out for the season for the 2nd year in a row. Who even knows whether he's any good because he can't make it to or through the season. They used four quarterbacks last year and have used at least three in six of seven seasons. So they are starting Chad Hutchinson who was 1-4 as the starter last year. And vetran Jeff Blake is backing him up. Another 5-11 year coming up.

[mark327]

According to the sites I looked at, Ramsey has started 30 games. Although, that is not really important.

I hope he does well. I'm just not counting on it.

according to nfl.com

P.Ramsey 3 seasons
25 career starts
Qb rating 74.1 pct.
passing yds 5,370
Td's 36 int's 28
att. 719 comp. 465
record W-12 L- 13

K Boller 2 seasons
24 career starts
Qb rating 66.6 pct.
passing yds 3,819
Td's 20 Int's 20
att. 648 comp. 374
record W- 14 L-10

clearly P.Ramsey is the better QB of the two . how many of Bollers wins came from the ravens defense . if i had to guess i'd say all 14 of them :laugh:

[RayLewis]

Both are really bad stats, so ramsey isnt exactly as bad as boller, but that aint sayin much.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Actually, Ramsey has 23 starts. Not 25 or 30.



When has Boller ever put together 7 games as starter averaging 80+ QB rating?

[RayLewis]

Actually, Ramsey has 23 starts. Not 25 or 30.



When has Boller ever put together 7 games as starter averaging 80+ QB rating?

Ramsy also had it easier though, after Dilfer. Boller got thrown into the best defense of alltime argueably. so he had a lot on him to suceed from his rookie year.

Ramsy came into a team with a huge fanbase but no expectations cuz they were already in their worse days and was benched a lot. its easier to play off the bench.

im not arguein that boller is better then ramsy but Boller is one of the worst QBs in NFL history, doesnt it sound really bad when your QB isnt much better then him?

[Hooper]

Boller was taken ninth overall -- I believe the Ravens traded up to get him (though I could be wrong there). Ramsey was the last pick in the first round. Ramsey's problems seem to be mental. Boller has the worse mechanics of any qb in the league. Neither inspires a lot of confidence, that's for sure.

[ouvan59]

Ramsy also had it easier though, after Dilfer. Boller got thrown into the best defense of alltime argueably. so he had a lot on him to suceed from his rookie year.

Ramsy came into a team with a huge fanbase but no expectations cuz they were already in their worse days and was benched a lot. its easier to play off the bench.

im not arguein that boller is better then ramsy but Boller is one of the worst QBs in NFL history, doesnt it sound really bad when your QB isnt much better then him?

What? Boller got thrown into the best defense of all time?? What the heck does that mean? Are you suggesting that playing against a tough D in practice actually hurt Boller? And by the way the Ravens haven't had the best D in about 5 years.

And how does getting yanked in and out of the starting job make it easier? Coming in off the bench is tougher since you don't get reps with the first team.

Ramsey has not been great but he is statistically better in every single category. The biggest complaint about the Skins passing game was that we couldn't get the ball downfield yet Ramsey's YPA was over a full half yard better than Boller's. Boller's best QB rating is worse than Ramsey's worst.

[RayLewis]

What? Boller got thrown into the best defense of all time?? What the heck does that mean? Are you suggesting that playing against a tough D in practice actually hurt Boller? And by the way the Ravens haven't had the best D in about 5 years.

And how does getting yanked in and out of the starting job make it easier? Coming in off the bench is tougher since you don't get reps with the first team.

Ramsey has not been great but he is statistically better in every single category. The biggest complaint about the Skins passing game was that we couldn't get the ball downfield yet Ramsey's YPA was over a full half yard better than Boller's. Boller's best QB rating is worse than Ramsey's worst.

what are you even discussin? i already said Ramsy was better then Boller. but it is much easier to get thrown into a team doin bad who is expected to stay bad then it is to come to a team comin off a superbowl win. Boller is worse then Ramsy and his expections are much higher. but Ramsy is nothin special either. and our defense is still the no 1 rushing defense and when your gettin no offensive productions and throwin a buncha 3 and outs and INTs on offense it dont exactly inspire your defense to do its best.

[ouvan59]

and our defense is still the no 1 rushing defense

In what world?

Pittsburgh had the number one rated run defense. The Skins were 2nd and had easily the best YPC against with a ridiculous 3.1. The Ravens were 8th giving up 25 more yards per game than the Skins and a full half yard more per carry.

[Arsenic]

Ramsy also had it easier though, after Dilfer. Boller got thrown into the best defense of alltime argueably. so he had a lot on him to suceed from his rookie year.

Ramsy came into a team with a huge fanbase but no expectations cuz they were already in their worse days and was benched a lot. its easier to play off the bench.

im not arguein that boller is better then ramsy but Boller is one of the worst QBs in NFL history, doesnt it sound really bad when your QB isnt much better then him?

When did Boller play the 86 bears? I must have missed that one.
So, there's no expectations or pressure in Washington? I've heard it all now :doh:

[RayLewis]

When did Boller play the 86 bears? I must have missed that one.
So, there's no expectations or pressure in Washington? I've heard it all now :doh:

the 2000 ravens i said argueably were best defense of alltime. i think they are but im also a ravens fan. dont get any better then Ray Lewis winnin Superbowl MVP and dominatin the giants in our first franchise superbowl.

theres expectations in washington i said. but a rookie QB comin off a superbowl with over 3 million fans wantin him to take them back and win it again. that is a hell of a lot more pressure then any Redskin has ever had.

[Clinton Portis]

Boller wasnt even around in 2001 was he?

[RayLewis]

ya i forgot he wasnt playin back then, Anthony Wright was it. but even Boller better then wright.