Ramsey DESTRUCTION threads/Just wait!

[PREDICTOR]

There are a number of threads which have popped up, touting Ramsey as the anti-christ. A few defenders come in but are immediately dismissed as homers or wishful thinkers. So I thought I would just make a statement to those haters who can't seem to control themselves.

Its ludicrous to keep comparing Ramsey to Peyton Manning of Today....or Brett Favre of today....or an entire career of Steve Young or Sonny Jurgenson, etc. Patrick Ramsey has 23 starts. 23 starts. But since you insist.

Peyton Manning in his first 32 starts had 43....Forty Three interceptions.

Brett Farve in his first 29 starts had 39...Thirty Nine interceptions.

Patrick Ramsey in his first 23 starts had 28....ONLY twenty eight.

Now compare those stats. And for those who wish to start Mark Brunell just because Patrick had 2 interceptions in a meaningless PRESEASON game...

Just keep Mannings and Farves 82 interception total in mind. Because that is over the same INITIAL 3 year period. Chew on that.

[skins1972]

There are a number of threads which have popped up, touting Ramsey as the anti-christ. A few defenders come in but are immediately dismissed as homers or wishful thinkers. So I thought I would just make a statement to those haters who can't seem to control themselves.

Its ludicrous to keep comparing Ramsey to Peyton Manning of Today....or Brett Favre of today....or an entire career of Steve Young or Sonny Jurgenson, etc. Patrick Ramsey has 23 starts. 23 starts. But since you insist.

Peyton Manning in his first 32 starts had 43....Forty Three interceptions.

Brett Farve in his first 29 starts had 39...Thirty Nine interceptions.

Patrick Ramsey in his first 23 starts had 28....ONLY twenty eight.

Now compare those stats. And for those who wish to start Mark Brunell just because Patrick had 2 interceptions in a meaningless PRESEASON game...

Just keep Mannings and Farves 82 interception total in mind. Because that is over the same INITIAL 3 year period. Chew on that.


Very well said my friend, I just hope people will give him a chance to start and let him play a full season under Gibbs.... I am also glad that we have MB as his back up when need be if at all!!! I am not worried for one second that PR will light up defenses around the league. Its just pre-season, get over it people.

[hail2skins]

How can Ramsey be the anti-Christ when I thought we all agreed last year that Brunell was the anti-Chr.......oops, since Mark is a religious guy I better not say anything too offensive!!!

[Grumpy Vet]

Start Spinner and our problems are over.

[PREDICTOR]

Start Spinner and our problems are over.

Grumpy...you say you have been a fan since 1972. You should be wishing and praying that Patrick is the answer after not having a QB for so many years.

Why do you hate Patrick so much for being an inexperienced QB and for not having arrived in the Hall of Fame after 23 NFL starts?

[inPORTISweTRUST]

Just keep Mannings and Farves 82 interception total in mind. Because that is over the same INITIAL 3 year period. Chew on that.

AMEN BROTHER, but you got one thing wrong is ramsey is the anti-christ... in the eyes of every team we are gonna play this year that hopes we dont have a viable passing threat because they know if we have viable passing threat we can win.

[Grumpy Vet]

Grumpy...you say you have been a fan since 1972. You should be wishing and praying that Patrick is the answer after not having a QB for so many years.

Yes a fan, since 1972 when I was born - 33 years ago Saturday. I've been wishing and praying for four years for Patrick to be our savior. So far, there are very few QBs I respect more for taking a punch after the suicidal Spurrier years.....but c'mon - it is Pat's time to shine and so far he's not. Sure if you take away the two INTs at the last game he was pretty good. Of course if you take away the 10 losses we had last year - we were undefeated.


Why do you hate Patrick so much for being an inexperienced QB and for not having arrived in the Hall of Fame after 23 NFL starts?

If you took from my Spinner joke that I hate Patrick - you are delusional. I want what is best for the team. I'm not convinced it is Patrick. I hope it is. I know it is not Brunell - but he's looked better than Pat.....I'm rooting for flashes of brilliance on Friday when I'm at the game - but I'd settle for no bonehead plays and even NFL QB caliber play from Ramsey. He's pissin' away his chance.

[bulldog]

Ironically, Ramsey will probably play better during the regular season when the attention will be on the TEAM winning or losing rather than watching for every minute mistake that #11 makes in an otherwise meaningless preseason game :)

[bubba9497]

Peyton Manning in his first 32 starts had 43....Forty Three interceptions.

Brett Farve in his first 29 starts had 39...Thirty Nine interceptions.

Patrick Ramsey in his first 23 starts had 28....ONLY twenty eight.

Manning = 1.34 int. per game

Farve = 1.34 int. per game

Ramsey = 1.22 int. per game

[paul55]

I'm a fan and admittedly never played football but I have learned some things about people and people in organizations not that much about football.

Joe Gibbs knows how to hire the right people and how to put people in the right surroundings to excell. The Qbs Williams,Rypien,Thiesman were not superstars but Gibbs made them winners. So he will with Pat Ramsey.

Gibbs has always had an experienced QB for backup. See brunell. He is thinking long term. See Cambell.

Just my 2 cents and many many years of people evals, Gibbs makes Ramsey a winner.

[CHUBAKAH]

Ironically, Ramsey will probably play better during the regular season when the attention will be on the TEAM winning or losing rather than watching for every minute mistake that #11 makes in an otherwise meaningless preseason game :)
Well at least we can dream.
;)

[SonnyRules]

There are a number of threads which have popped up, touting Ramsey as the anti-christ. A few defenders come in but are immediately dismissed as homers or wishful thinkers. So I thought I would just make a statement to those haters who can't seem to control themselves.

Its ludicrous to keep comparing Ramsey to Peyton Manning of Today....or Brett Favre of today....or an entire career of Steve Young or Sonny Jurgenson, etc. Patrick Ramsey has 23 starts. 23 starts. But since you insist.

Peyton Manning in his first 32 starts had 43....Forty Three interceptions.

Brett Farve in his first 29 starts had 39...Thirty Nine interceptions.

Patrick Ramsey in his first 23 starts had 28....ONLY twenty eight.

Now compare those stats. And for those who wish to start Mark Brunell just because Patrick had 2 interceptions in a meaningless PRESEASON game...

Just keep Mannings and Farves 82 interception total in mind. Because that is over the same INITIAL 3 year period. Chew on that.

Well I did chew on it for a while; long enough to look up the first three years of the QB's mentioned above.

Peyton Manning in his first 32 starts had 43....Forty Three interceptions & 85 TD's

Brett Farve in his first 29 starts had 39...Thirty Nine interceptions & 70 TD's

Patrick Ramsey in his first 23 starts had 28....ONLY twenty eight interceptions & 33 TD's

As you can see, anyone can post numbers to support thier own point of view. If you want to see even more lopsided numbers, look up Donavan McNabb or Daunte Culpepper.

I don't believe Patrick is the anti-christ; in fact, I was pleasantly surprised to see some improvement from Ramsey last week against the Bengals. He needs to show more improvement this week against Pittsburgh, and we will be fine. :2cents:

[bubba9497]

Well I did chew on it for a while; long enough to look up the first three years of the QB's mentioned above.

Peyton Manning in his first 32 starts had 43....Forty Three interceptions & 85 TD's

Brett Farve in his first 29 starts had 39...Thirty Nine interceptions & 70 TD's

Patrick Ramsey in his first 23 starts had 28....ONLY twenty eight interceptions & 33 TD's

As you can see, anyone can post numbers to support thier own point of view. If you want to see even more lopsided numbers, look up Donavan McNabb or Daunte Culpepper.

I don't believe Patrick is the anti-christ; in fact, I was pleasantly surprised to see some improvement from Ramsey last week against the Bengals. He needs to show more improvement this week against Pittsburgh, and we will be fine. :2cents:


except everyone is screaming about int.

lack of TD's is Gibbs fault ;)

[SonnyRules]

except everyone is screaming about int.

lack of TD's is Gibbs fault ;)


Looking off defenders, going through progessions, not over / under throwing receivers, and hitting the open man are things that Gibbs can't do from the sidelines. :D

[Spaceman Spiff]

I want to see more stats. Yards, ratings, TD/INT ratio, etc, etc. Oh, and won/loss records.

It's not just about the interceptions.

Edit: Didn't see sonny's post. Yes, if Ramsey had a 2:1 TD:Int ratio, I would be pretty happy.

Some people on this site are masters at spinning stats so they show in their favor. ;)

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Thank you Sonny.

The flip side of PREDICTOR's point is that anytime someone comes up with a slight criticism of PR, the pro-Ramsey people act like we're trying to have him cut. I think you'll find that most people on this board WANT Ramsey to succeed. We're willing to give him time as well. I just want to keep it objective and, if the time comes where another option gives us a better chance to win, keep that option open.

Good research...I see your point!

[bubba9497]

won/loss records.

is the most useless stat when rating a qb........ thats is a TEAM stat

[bubba9497]

Thank you Sonny.

The flip side of PREDICTOR's point is that anytime someone comes up with a slight criticism of PR, the pro-Ramsey people act like we're trying to have him cut.


actually in this thread Vice Versa :D

[CHUBAKAH]

is the most useless stat when rating a qb........ thats is a TEAM stat
OK, we'll just stick with TD passes then.
Now what?
:laugh:

[LoGiK]

Steve Spurrior was the anti christ

[Matador36]

lack of TD's is Gibbs fault ;)

...and 50/50s fault

[SonnyRules]

This might keep you busy for awhile. :laugh: Actually, all you have to do is go here http://www.nfl.com/stats (http://) and have a ball.

Peyton Manning:

Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 575 326 56.7 3739 6.50 78 26 28 22/109 42 8 71.2
1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 533 331 62.1 4135 7.76 80 26 15 14/116 56 11 90.7
2000 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 571 357 62.5 4413 7.73 78 33 15 20/131 51 8 94.7



Brett Farve


1992 Green Bay Packers 15 13 471 302 64.1 3227 6.85 76 18 13 34/208 30 9 85.3
1993 Green Bay Packers 16 16 522 318 60.9 3303 6.33 66 19 24 30/199 37 5 72.2
1994 Green Bay Packers 16 16 582 363 62.4 3882 6.67 49 33 14 31/188 44 4 90.7


Patrick Ramsey

2002 Washington Redskins 9 5 227 117 51.5 1539 6.78 62 9 8 18/132 19 5 71.8
2003 Washington Redskins 11 11 337 179 53.1 2166 6.43 64 14 9 30/206 34 3 75.8
2004 Washington Redskins 9 7 272 169 62.1 1665 6.12 51 10 11 23/137 17 2 74.8

[Spaceman Spiff]

Hey sonny, any way you can project Ramsey's stats over a 16 game season? I suck at math, I wouldn't know where to begin.

[[[ghost]]]

very nice post. states a lot about ramsey.

[arkowi]

Well I did chew on it for a while; long enough to look up the first three years of the QB's mentioned above.

Peyton Manning in his first 32 starts had 43....Forty Three interceptions & 85 TD's

Brett Farve in his first 29 starts had 39...Thirty Nine interceptions & 70 TD's

Patrick Ramsey in his first 23 starts had 28....ONLY twenty eight interceptions & 33 TD's

As you can see, anyone can post numbers to support thier own point of view. If you want to see even more lopsided numbers, look up Donavan McNabb or Daunte Culpepper.

I don't believe Patrick is the anti-christ; in fact, I was pleasantly surprised to see some improvement from Ramsey last week against the Bengals. He needs to show more improvement this week against Pittsburgh, and we will be fine. :2cents:

Well, In Favre's first 2 seasons with Green Bay, he appeared in 31 games and threw 993 attemps. In Mannings first 2 seasons with Indy he appeared in 32 he threw 1108 attemps. To put this in perspective, Ramsey has only 836 attempts since he has been in the league, 29 games. Just thought that was kind of interesting.

[bubba9497]

TD per att.


Manning 1 td per 21.3 att. first 32 games
Farve 1 td per 26.8 att. first 31 games
Ramsey 1 td per 25.3 att. first 23 games

[TheREALJBird]

all of these stats are very interesting, yet it still doesn't keep the Ramsey bashers out

[PREDICTOR]

I think the bottom line here is some of us want to have a good discussion of Patrick Ramsey and what he needs to succeed, and we don;t need the haters on this thread. If you hate Patrick Ramsey just start your own thread or go to one of the many that are already there.

By coming here you have proven my point. You guys think you aren't acting like haters and misguided fools but you are. You start every anit-Ramsey post with comments about "I don't hate Patrick, in fact I have been rooting for him.....BUT...B-U-T" ......and then you proceed to hate and try to make your point.

I keep asking all you haters and not one of you has answered me yet...so here goes again: Since you don't want Patrick Ramsey, and all you want to do is complain...please here and now tell us WHO you want to start at QB for the Redskins so we can make the playoffs this year? Can each of you do that please....without rambling on about how Patrick is not that guy because he hasn't throw 50 TD passes to Jaquez Green , Derrius Thompson, Rod Gardner, Dar McCants, and James Thrash along with the other all pro receivers on the squad for the last 3 years.

Who in the HELL is your QB guys? Stop just complaining and tell us something constructive.

[SonnyRules]

Hey sonny, any way you can project Ramsey's stats over a 16 game season? I suck at math, I wouldn't know where to begin.

Patrick's Career Stats:
G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
29 23 836 465 55.6 5370 6.42 64 33 28 71/475 70 10 74.4

First, we could only use the 23 games that he actually started. With that said his stats for a 16 game season would look something like this:

G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA TD Int Rate
16 16 461 256 55.5 2,962 11.5 18 15 72.9

[bubba9497]

G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA TD Int Rate
16 16 461 256 55.5 2,962 11.5 18 15 72.9

good enough to get in the playoffs!

[damimac1]

Keep in mind as well that unlike Manning...Ramsey was never the Redskins' GUY....They (Snyder) tried to get rid of him bf he ever took a snap and Gibbs brought in the QB that could have arguably had the one of the worst seasons of all time (Brunell) to replace him. The one year he went into as the undisputed starter was in Spurriers no blocking offense, and he threw 14td's and only 9 picls...pretty damn good for a second year qb.

[PREDICTOR]

good enough to get in the playoffs!

Certainly good enough to be a playoff QB but thats not the point. You can't really project because he has new receivers, faster receivers, and the BEST offensive line since he has been here and the best offensive scheme and a bigger faster Clinton Portis who is dying to get in there and prove he is still a 1500 yard back.

The Sky is the limit for Ramsey. The past is the past and those stats are only the past of a young QB working with inadequate tools.

[SonnyRules]

I think the bottom line here is some of us want to have a good discussion of Patrick Ramsey and what he needs to succeed, and we don;t need the haters on this thread. If you hate Patrick Ramsey just start your own thread or go to one of the many that are already there.

By coming here you have proven my point. You guys think you aren't acting like haters and misguided fools but you are. You start every anit-Ramsey post with comments about "I don't hate Patrick, in fact I have been rooting for him.....BUT...B-U-T" ......and then you proceed to hate and try to make your point.

I keep asking all you haters and not one of you has answered me yet...so here goes again: Since you don't want Patrick Ramsey, and all you want to do is complain...please here and now tell us WHO you want to start at QB for the Redskins so we can make the playoffs this year? Can each of you do that please....without rambling on about how Patrick is not that guy because he hasn't throw 50 TD passes to Jaquez Green , Derrius Thompson, Rod Gardner, Dar McCants, and James Thrash along with the other all pro receivers on the squad for the last 3 years.

Who in the HELL is your QB guys? Stop just complaining and tell us something constructive.

First of all, you are the one who started with stats; but let's be fair and show all the stats. People can read into numbers all day long and come up with a number that supports thier point of view; it's done in business every day.

Second, just because someone doesn't support your point of view, you DO NOT have the right to call them a fool or misguided. You have to appreciate and respect other peoples opinions; just like you would want your opinions respected.

Third, I believe it is reasonable to question Ramsey's ability to lead this team. Why you may ask? His past performance. Until Patrick has demonstrated in the win/loss column that he can lead this offense and win more football games than we lose; his abilities will always come into question.

Just in case you think I am a "hater" (a name that you should never be apply to a Redskin fan; save it for Cowboy and Eagle fans); I trust that Coach Gibbs has made the best decsion at the QB position by naming Ramsey as the stater. Brunell showed me enough last year and Campbell is a long way off.

This is Patrick's year to shine....if he doesn't...he's gone. It's that simple.

[AzSkinsFan63]

I think it' a culmination of factors that some fans are scared that Ramsey can't get it done.

Joe Gibbs gets Brunell and drafts Cambell. I trust Gibbs and if he questions Ramsey then I would probably go along with it if I were you. The fact is I really don't know how Gibbs feels about Ramsey but he's definitely not singing his praises. But then I don't remember Gibbs singing anyones praises until after a win.

I then read the game thread and when I hear.."he's dancing in the pocket" (A solid O-line can cure this over time) and that "he holds on to the ball too long" then it gets even me worried.

Ramsey must have heard he holds on to the ball too long how many times now? Yet he still does it. That scares me because it means he could possibly have an inability to read defenses quickly. You add the fact that when he gets the ball off quickly in the red zone and it's for 2 picks then you start to wonder a little.

threads like this make me crazy because I hope that in a few weeks people can look me up and say "See there was nothing to wory about!".

Why are fans evil if they analyze Ramsey and are a little concerned. I don't agree with the boos at Fed Ex.

I also don't agree with some fans that state we will not win with Ramsey because I still think it's way to early for that decision. but he is running out of time.

I'm personally still glad Ramsey is the starter and hope that we never see another QB in the game all season long. I hope this is his year. But..I'm worried because he is such a huge factor in the equation to get the Skins back into the playoffs.

It's nice to see Brunell playing better than last season I did get to watch the second half of the Cinci game. After what I saw the Skins look to have a solid backup this season. I'm still worried about the accuracy on the go routes from him but he was zipping the ball 40 yards easily compare to last season when it seemed like it took forever to get there.

[TheDarb]

Hater - I "hate" that term. Can't people critique a player's performance in a reasonable manner like most have done on this site without being called a hater? Ramsey has frankly been inconsistent for a number of reasons - some of which are not in Patrick's control and some of which he is responsible for. When one points out this FACT (#11's inconsistency), they are called a hater. Jeez...

[fansince62]

sonnyrules....obviously...the esteemed source of this thread has the maturity of a two year old. let it rest. as you note...either PR carries the load this season or he doesn't. Keep making your observations, as I will, and ignore the real "hater"...you know...the one who can't handle the emotional burden of an opinion different from his own!

[SonnyRules]

I think it' a culmination of factors that some fans are scared that Ramsey can't get it done.

Joe Gibbs gets Brunell and drafts Cambell. I trust Gibbs and if he questions Ramsey then I would probably go along with it if I were you. The fact is I really don't know how Gibbs feels about Ramsey but he's definitely not singing his praises. But then I don't remember Gibbs singing anyones praises until after a win.

I then read the game thread and when I hear.."he's dancing in the pocket" (A solid O-line can cure this over time) and that "he holds on to the ball too long" then it gets even me worried.

Ramsey must have heard he holds on to the ball too long how many times now? Yet he still does it. That scares me because it means he could possibly have an inability to read defenses quickly. You add the fact that when he gets the ball off quickly in the red zone and it's for 2 picks then you start to wonder a little.

threads like this make me crazy because I hope that in a few weeks people can look me up and say "See there was nothing to wory about!".

Why are fans evil if they analyze Ramsey and are a little concerned. I don't agree with the boos at Fed Ex.

I also don't agree with some fans that state we will not win with Ramsey because I still think it's way to early for that decision. but he is running out of time.

I'm personally still glad Ramsey is the starter and hope that we never see another QB in the game all season long. I hope this is his year. But..I'm worried because he is such a huge factor in the equation to get the Skins back into the playoffs.

It's nice to see Brunell playing better than last season I did get to watch the second half of the Cinci game. After what I saw the Skins look to have a solid backup this season. I'm still worried about the accuracy on the go routes from him but he was zipping the ball 40 yards easily compare to last season when it seemed like it took forever to get there.

Well said. :applause:

[SonnyRules]

sonnyrules....obviously...the esteemed source of this thread has the maturity of a two year old. let it rest. as you note...either PR carries the load this season or he doesn't. Keep making your observations, as I will, and ignore the real "hater"...you know...the one who can't handle the emotional burden of an opinion different from his own!
I'll take that advice, but I'm not going back to Bulgaria

[Spaceman Spiff]

Sonny and AzSkins, nice posts!

I'd also like to add I don't think anyone really truely HATES Ramsey. Some fans (like me) aren't confident that he has what it takes, and honestly, you have to see where we're coming from. I see where his supporters come from, they bring up valid points, but I don't agree.

That said, we're all Redskins fans and I don't think anyone is rooting against Ramsey this year, a year that shows enormous potential for our team. We as fans have a right to be critical of the way players play the game, it's that simple. Some choose not to. Whatever.

We're all Skins fans, but I'm tired of the Ramsey loving/criticizing, even though I know I've participated in my fair share.

We all know this year is important for him and everyone wants to be able to point fingers at the end of the year and say "I told you so." I'd just like it if we could all collectively shut up about it until halfway through the season or so and see where we stand. There are so many other great things going on with this team that are getting ignored because people want to skew Ramsey's stats every which way to show why he'll suck or not.

Let's take a rest.

[bubba9497]

Why are fans evil if they analyze Ramsey and are a little concerned. I don't agree with the boos at Fed Ex.

actually it's more like:

why are fans always bashed when they profess optimism in Ramsey or a winning season?

;)

to be honest, most of the concerns are exaggerated or non existent

and the biggest complaint my time here has been the lack of consistency, allow time for things & players develope... yet the first time in years we show some consistency... people ***** and moan for a quick hook :doh:

[arkowi]

I think it' a culmination of factors that some fans are scared that Ramsey can't get it done.

Joe Gibbs gets Brunell and drafts Cambell. I trust Gibbs and if he questions Ramsey then I would probably go along with it if I were you. The fact is I really don't know how Gibbs feels about Ramsey but he's definitely not singing his praises. But then I don't remember Gibbs singing anyones praises until after a win.

I then read the game thread and when I hear.."he's dancing in the pocket" (A solid O-line can cure this over time) and that "he holds on to the ball too long" then it gets even me worried.

Ramsey must have heard he holds on to the ball too long how many times now? Yet he still does it. That scares me because it means he could possibly have an inability to read defenses quickly. You add the fact that when he gets the ball off quickly in the red zone and it's for 2 picks then you start to wonder a little.

threads like this make me crazy because I hope that in a few weeks people can look me up and say "See there was nothing to wory about!".

Why are fans evil if they analyze Ramsey and are a little concerned. I don't agree with the boos at Fed Ex.

I also don't agree with some fans that state we will not win with Ramsey because I still think it's way to early for that decision. but he is running out of time.

I'm personally still glad Ramsey is the starter and hope that we never see another QB in the game all season long. I hope this is his year. But..I'm worried because he is such a huge factor in the equation to get the Skins back into the playoffs.

It's nice to see Brunell playing better than last season I did get to watch the second half of the Cinci game. After what I saw the Skins look to have a solid backup this season. I'm still worried about the accuracy on the go routes from him but he was zipping the ball 40 yards easily compare to last season when it seemed like it took forever to get there.

I'm mostly in agreement with everything here. Good points. But Brunell is not zipping anything 40 yards. His long for the preseason is 23 yards. Ramseys long is 46 yards this preseason

[RabidFan]

Pat will be fine as his confidence and our offensive chemistry grows. I am really psyched for Campbell's future too but i am a patient man and have liked Patrick since day one. I just hope he can man the ship efficiently this year and take us to the promise land as Gibbs would say....cue the Giggle :)

[SonnyRules]

Sonny and AzSkins, nice posts!

I'd also like to add I don't think anyone really truely HATES Ramsey. Some fans (like me) aren't confident that he has what it takes, and honestly, you have to see where we're coming from. I see where his supporters come from, they bring up valid points, but I don't agree.

That said, we're all Redskins fans and I don't think anyone is rooting against Ramsey this year, a year that shows enormous potential for our team. We as fans have a right to be critical of the way players play the game, it's that simple. Some choose not to. Whatever.

We're all Skins fans, but I'm tired of the Ramsey loving/criticizing, even though I know I've participated in my fair share.

We all know this year is important for him and everyone wants to be able to point fingers at the end of the year and say "I told you so." I'd just like it if we could all collectively shut up about it until halfway through the season or so and see where we stand. There are so many other great things going on with this team that are getting ignored because people want to skew Ramsey's stats every which way to show why he'll suck or not.

Let's take a rest.

It's impossible to put this to rest. Unless Ramsey goes 16-0 there will always be those who simply do not like the guy.

I was very vocal two weeks ago. I was looking for improvement and found none.

Then last week I saw some improvement against Cinncy and I finally see a reason to be hopeful. For me personally to be comfortable with Patrick; win or lose, I just need to see slight improvement and growth from one week to the next.

As I said before, This is Patrick's year regardless of the final outcome.

[SkinFaninOKC]

http://www.unsignedphotos.com/images/c04485.jpg

I am going to start calling Ramsey "Wild Thing".

Remember the scene in Major League when he got pissed at the red tag?? He went into Lou's office and went off on him. Threatening to stuff it down his f*cking throat. That what I hope Ramsey does to the league, the doubters, and the haters.

Stuff it down their f*cking throats Ramsey!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spaceman Spiff]

Ramsey = Wild thing?

"WILD THING!! YOU MAKE MY BUTT SING!!"

or

"WILD THING! YOU MAKE MY HEART SING! YOU INTERCEEEEEEPT EVERRRYTHING, GROOOOOOOVAAAAAY"

sorry, couldn't resist ;)

[Bangee7]

1st of all, I'm not a hater, but I will be honest.......
I didn't like it when we drafted Ramsey
I didn't like it when we courted Brunell
I didn't like it when we drafted Campbell

Ramsey does have a gun and guts, so that gives me hope
Brunell does look more lively this year, so that gives me hope
Campbell ....well I'm hopeful

I'm just tired of losing boys....
just give us respectable QB play - limit turnovers and control the clock
and we'll be fine.

If Ramsey gets better, then I hope we stick with him.
If not, then I hope we go with the next best option.

No matter what happens, I trust Joe Gibbs to insure the proper decision is made.
Don't always like it, but I will NEVER doubt the man.

Hail !

[whatmeworry]

Very well said my friend, I just hope people will give him a chance to start and let him play a full season under Gibbs.... I am also glad that we have MB as his back up when need be if at all!!! I am not worried for one second that PR will light up defenses around the league. Its just pre-season, get over it people.


What he said.

[Pskins]

Everyone is panicking over nothing. When gibbs and co. start running the full offense Ramsey will be fine. I think he will have a great year because of Portis' return and a greatly improved o-line.

[PREDICTOR]

Well I have to say that most of you have come here to this thread and become somewhat conciliatory. Those of you have bashed Ramsey before are at least willing to concede that he may do okay. However, that may just be because I challenged you to name the quarterback you would replace Patrick with. NOBODY did that. Nobody answered the challenge, so therefore, I can only assume you have nobody better in mind to start and play this season, than Patrick Ramsey.

I think Patrick can have that Pro Bowl type season and the Skins can go to the playoffs. I also think Patrick will be better in the 2nd half than in the first half due to more and more experience and getting to know his receivers.

I still don't think Patrick gets judged fully in the Pittsburg game. Nor the final preseason game. 100 percent effort is not given by some players in pre season games, some guys are just trying to not get injured, coaches are holding back packages, and of course the obvious, you are playing with and against guys who you won't see during the season. However, I think we would all like to see zero interceptions and ball control and scoring in the Red Zone from at least one drive with Patrick. We know he can throw the "bomb" now...so all we need in addition, is sustained drives that score.

If that happens even once this Friday...I would wager very few of you would not be on board the Ramsey train.

[318 SKIN]

Well I did chew on it for a while; long enough to look up the first three years of the QB's mentioned above.

Peyton Manning in his first 32 starts had 43....Forty Three interceptions & 85 TD's

Brett Farve in his first 29 starts had 39...Thirty Nine interceptions & 70 TD's

Patrick Ramsey in his first 23 starts had 28....ONLY twenty eight interceptions & 33 TD's

As you can see, anyone can post numbers to support thier own point of view. If you want to see even more lopsided numbers, look up Donavan McNabb or Daunte Culpepper.

I don't believe Patrick is the anti-christ; in fact, I was pleasantly surprised to see some improvement from Ramsey last week against the Bengals. He needs to show more improvement this week against Pittsburgh, and we will be fine. :2cents:

Please compare apples to apples - not first 32 starts but 1st 23 starts vs PR first 23 starts

[TD_washingtonredskins]

You guys think you aren't acting like haters and misguided fools but you are. You start every anit-Ramsey post with comments about "I don't hate Patrick, in fact I have been rooting for him.....BUT...B-U-T" ......and then you proceed to hate and try to make your point.


What you describe above is not a "hater" but an "objective fan" PREDICTOR. Objectivity is the scenario of wanting someone to succeed but knowing there are obstacles in his way and the possibility that he might not.

I will answer your question of who should be our QB by saying: Whoever Gibbs names the starter is fine with me.

Now a question to you:

What seems more level-headed to you, someone saying that Ramsey needs to improve on things or he can't be a good NFL starter or someone saying that Ramsey will, undoubtedly be a good NFL starter?

[E-Dog Night]

Manning = 1.34 int. per game

Farve = 1.34 int. per game

Ramsey = 1.22 int. per game

Excellent use of color, Bubba. Deep sky blue, Lime, and yellow in the same post...and none of it gratuitous.

You can't coach that.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Well I have to say that most of you have come here to this thread and become somewhat conciliatory. Those of you have bashed Ramsey before are at least willing to concede that he may do okay. However, that may just be because I challenged you to name the quarterback you would replace Patrick with. NOBODY did that. Nobody answered the challenge, so therefore, I can only assume you have nobody better in mind to start and play this season, than Patrick Ramsey.

I think Patrick can have that Pro Bowl type season and the Skins can go to the playoffs. I also think Patrick will be better in the 2nd half than in the first half due to more and more experience and getting to know his receivers.

I still don't think Patrick gets judged fully in the Pittsburg game. Nor the final preseason game. 100 percent effort is not given by some players in pre season games, some guys are just trying to not get injured, coaches are holding back packages, and of course the obvious, you are playing with and against guys who you won't see during the season. However, I think we would all like to see zero interceptions and ball control and scoring in the Red Zone from at least one drive with Patrick. We know he can throw the "bomb" now...so all we need in addition, is sustained drives that score.

If that happens even once this Friday...I would wager very few of you would not be on board the Ramsey train.

He's on a wait and see basis with me until a few weeks into the season...after 5, 6 weeks if its the same old Ramsey, then I'll start calling for a replacement.

I think he can do well, however he needs to stop his boneheaded plays by sept 11

[zoony]

except everyone is screaming about int.

lack of TD's is Gibbs fault ;)


BITE YOUR TOUNGUE!!!

[G-Prime]

Good post.. people seem think equate being around here for a few years with years of experience. That simply isn't the case. With Spurrier the only Patrick learned was how to take a hit.. His mechanics were flawed and his thinking was also flawed. He needs time to re-learn things.

[rebornempowered]

You can't coach that.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

[PREDICTOR]

Good post.. people seem think equate being around here for a few years with years of experience. That simply isn't the case. With Spurrier the only Patrick learned was how to take a hit.. His mechanics were flawed and his thinking was also flawed. He needs time to re-learn things.

Exactly my point and I should have added that in my original post. In fact I have been saying that in some respects last year was Patrick's rookie year. He was treated like a rookie first round pick. The veteran was chosen to start while the rookie draft pick was chosen to sit on the bench, ask questions, and then was inserted later on in the season at which time he would struiggle initially and then come on strong after a few starts.

This is exactly what happened......to Eli Manning! What a coincidence we have here. The same thing happened to Patrick Ramsey.

Those first 2 years in Spurriers system were no different than the last 2 years in Eli Mannings college career...because Spurrier inserted Ramsey into his college system. Last year was Patrick's FIRST year in a PRO offense.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Those first 2 years in Spurriers system were no different than the last 2 years in Eli Mannings college career...because Spurrier inserted Ramsey into his college system. Last year was Patrick's FIRST year in a PRO offense.

I see the parallels that you're drawing, they make sense. However, PR has played in parts of 3 NFL seasons. Regardless of the offense he's running, he's had the time and the experience to adapt to NFL defenses, the speed of the game, and pressure of being at the pro level. So, your point is accurate in terms of him becoming comfortable within one system, but he still should not be considered a second-year player since he's had a good amount of exposure to the NFL itself.

[budski]

Well,
You know they can run the ball occasionally too. Ramsey can hand off cant he?

[Skins24]

1st of all, I'm not a hater, but I will be honest.......
I didn't like it when we drafted Ramsey
I didn't like it when we courted Brunell
I didn't like it when we drafted Campbell

We should have stuck with Shane Matthews or Danny Weurffel then?

[Bangee7]

lol...no, but Brad Johnson was fine with me.

[The Bounty Hunter #21]

Everyone just has to give Ramsey a chance to mess up...right now isnt the right time to be saying those stuff, its only the pre-season. However if Ramsey looks really inconsistent and its like week 5 then I would start saying some things...Until then HAIL RAMSEY AS OUR STARTER...