Ramsey starting slow again

[jbooma]

His first pass he completes, but as Aikman said if the CB was looking at him he would have picked it off easily for a TD. Then he tries and goes deep man is open if he hits him stride another TD, however he underthrows it and is also almost picked off :doh:

Come on Ramsey lets get it going!!!!!!!!!

Clinton looks like the best RB in the leage already, he is getting huge gains on each carry :notworthy

[Dirk Diggler]

His first pass he completes, but as Aikman said if the CB was looking at him he would have picked it off easily for a TD. Then he tries and goes deep man is open if he hits him stride another TD, however he underthrows it and is also almost picked off :doh:

Clinton looks like the best RB in the leage already, he is getting huge gains on each carry :notworthy

1 for 2 is slow? um, ok. Watch the reply - Townsend is not picking that off unless he has 14 ft. arms. Don't believe everything those two idiots in the booth say.

[Art]

JB, the long pass wasn't even close to being picked off. Ramsey seemed to go very soft on that throw and it covered 50 yards. If he puts 10 more yards on it, it's a TD and he's got at least 10 more on his arm. Going to be interested to see if he starts cutting it loose again.

[tr1]

His first pass he completes, but as Aikman said if the CB was looking at him he would have picked it off easily for a TD. Then he tries and goes deep man is open if he hits him stride another TD, however he underthrows it and is also almost picked off :doh:

Come on Ramsey lets get it going!!!!!!!!!

Clinton looks like the best RB in the leage already, he is getting huge gains on each carry :notworthy

Jbooma, take a seat.

[jbooma]

JB, the long pass wasn't even close to being picked off. Ramsey seemed to go very soft on that throw and it covered 50 yards. If he puts 10 more yards on it, it's a TD and he's got at least 10 more on his arm. Going to be interested to see if he starts cutting it loose again.

I said if he hits him in stride it is a TD, also if the CB looks up it is a pick.

[Underwater Ally]

The first pass was a quick one right on the money. Sure it "could" have been picked, but the defender would have had to have guessed the play. The underthrow actually bounced off Moss' hands. If it was complete, the commentators would have commented on how it was great timing and communication. To each his own I guess.

[jbooma]

Gibbs won't like that, a pick for a TD :doh:

but someone here will blame it on Thrash, when it Ramsey should have thrown it away

[Art]

That's where Ramsey needs to take the sack.

[fuji869]

To painful to watch, much too painful! :doh:

[Park City Skins]

Interesting. Patrick threw the out, and if Thrash keeps going, DB has to climb his back to get to the ball. Wondering if Thrash was reading the blitz and instead turned right around instead of going on with pattern or confusion on the play.

[RunPortisRun]

Interesting. Patrick threw the out, and if Thrash keeps going, DB has to climb his back to get to the ball. Wondering if Thrash was reading the blitz and instead turned right around instead of going on with pattern or confusion on the play.

more excuses

[codeorama]

Ramsey is done. Past tense, team just needs to move on at this point. Hurts me to say, I've been a fan of his from day one, but this is year 4 and he's still making rookie mistakes.

[Dirk Diggler]

Let's see how he reacts. Hopefully Gibbs doesn't call 3 straight runs.

[CrossWalker]

He's gotta sit!! I have always held out hope for Ramsey, but he just doesn't have it right now. The mistakes are deadly with him, we pay with 7 like this just now.. I don't even want Brunell, but Campbell's a rookie and if Brunell could get some reps against real NFL D's maybe the shoulder is back healthy. It just makes me sick that we should have had Trent this whole time..... Sorry for the doom and gloom everybody, but this really makes my stomach hurt... :-(

[jbooma]

That's where Ramsey needs to take the sack.

or just throw it away he was outside the tackle

[yayito11]

He`s a bad bad QB...I rather see Brunnel in there..he is more experience and he doesnt make as many mistakes...nor costly as Ramsey....Enough is enough now I see why Gibbs didn`t have enough faith in him....

[Park City Skins]

more excuses

Not an excuse RPR. Trying to figure out what may have happened. What seems to be "obvious" to mmqb's such as you and I,( who have no idea what the hell we're talking about when it comes down to it), may not be so in reality. So please, knock that crap off.

[jbooma]

at least Clinton looks awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

has anyone else been a little worried that our DL is not getting any pressure

[Underwater Ally]

Interesting. Patrick threw the out, and if Thrash keeps going, DB has to climb his back to get to the ball. Wondering if Thrash was reading the blitz and instead turned right around instead of going on with pattern or confusion on the play.

I was wondering the same thing. I don't think Bugle would like the uncovered blitz either. I think there is more than just Ramsey to correct on that play.

[codeorama]

Clinton looks like the mac daddy... very impressive so far.

[Saqs]

Ramsey is done. Past tense, team just needs to move on at this point. Hurts me to say, I've been a fan of his from day one, but this is year 4 and he's still making rookie mistakes.
Moss is fast isnt he :p

[codeorama]

Moss is fast isnt he :p

I could have easily made that completion as wide open as he was... :D

[Underwater Ally]

at least Clinton looks awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

has anyone else been a little worried that our DL is not getting any pressure

Has our defense ever gotten pressure without the blitz?

[jbooma]

Moss is fast isnt he :p

WE GOT SOME YAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :point2sky

[codeorama]

WHY, do you throw a ball or run a route 2 yards short of the first down...

[tr1]

Moss over Coles anytime...

[Tulane Skins Fan]

guys, i really think thrash messed that int up. he stopped running. it looked like he was the hot route and he didnt read blitz

[Underwater Ally]

Can we at least see Ramsey play the durration of the half before making the assinine "he's done" comments?
:doh:

[Art]

guys, i really think thrash messed that int up. he stopped running. it looked like he was the hot route and he didnt read blitz

Frankly, you could be right on. If Thrash was supposed to run the out, the throw is still not advisable, but, it is understandable. Remember the coaches told us a year ago that the receivers couldn't be trusted and made everyone else look bad because of it. Now, we may never know here, and that certainly appears to be a bad play by Ramsey, but, you could see how that might have been on Thrash.

[timdaley73]

guys, i really think thrash messed that int up. he stopped running. it looked like he was the hot route and he didnt read blitz

Excuses... excuses... Stop already!! I hope Gibbs will give Brunell some reps with #1 O vs. #1 D...

[Art]

Excuses... excuses... Stop already!! I hope Gibbs will give Brunell some reps with #1 O vs. #1 D...

It may or may not be an excuse. We don't know. You might be right. You might be wrong. You just don't know that you might be wrong.

[timdaley73]

It may or may not be an excuse. We don't know. You might be right. You might be wrong. You just don't know that you might be wrong.

At least can we all agree that we would like to compare Ramsey and Brunell (Brunell playing with #1 O vs %#1 D)????

[Underwater Ally]

Excuses... excuses... Stop already!! I hope Gibbs will give Brunell some reps with #1 O vs. #1 D...

Rothlesberger's accuracy is terrible. What would you advise in his situation imdaley73???

[Dirk Diggler]

Call me nutty but I really don't see much of a difference between Big Ben and Ramsey. For that matter, I don't see much of a difference between us and the Steelers - cept for 9 wins or so.

[Park City Skins]

Not really Tim. Patrick's the starter and if the Coaches felt otherwise, ( needing to compare), Mark would be in there imho.

[neilclarke]

At least can we all agree that we would like to compare Ramsey and Brunell (Brunell playing with #1 O vs %#1 D)????

YES!!!! I AGREE!!

[project myu]

Rothlesberger's accuracy is terrible. What would you advise in his situation imdaley73???

BENCH HIM. STEElers should work out a deal on the field right now to temporarily borrow Brunell to see how he would do against Redskins 1st O.

[timdaley73]

Rothlesberger's accuracy is terrible. What would you advise in his situation imdaley73???

Sophomore slump... But, Ramsey had 4 years... I think Rothlesberger has a lot more going than Ramsey... At least he doesn't make stupid decisions and 4 INTs in a game (combined)...

[JMU1330]

I really think that Ramsey could throw 4 pics and some people would be blaming four different receivers.

[Ignatius J.]

That pick was on thrash. Thrash never looked back until it was too late. When there's a free blitzer like that, you need to have enough awareness to ralize that YOU are the hot route.

[Underwater Ally]

Sophomore slump... But, Ramsey had 4 years... I think Rothlesberger has a lot more going than Ramsey... At least he doesn't make stupid decisions and 4 INTs in a game (combined)...

:laugh: If NFL headcoaches were skins fans, no QB would last an entire season.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Excuses... excuses... Stop already!! I hope Gibbs will give Brunell some reps with #1 O vs. #1 D...

DOES NOBODY REMEMBER WHAT BRUNELL DID LAST YEAR? HE COULDNT COMPLETE A STOP PATTERN!

[Saqs]

Call me nutty but I really don't see much of a difference between Big Ben and Ramsey. For that matter, I don't see much of a difference between us and the Steelers - cept for 9 wins or so.
Hi nutty.

Ben looks to have much better pocket presence and is probably 3 times as mobile as Ramsey. Another huge difference is their accuracy tendencies. Where Ben likes to overthrow, Pat loves to underthrow which is always much more dangerous.

[TK]

Sophomore slump...
Excuses, excuses. ;)

[Underwater Ally]

I really think that Ramsey could throw 4 pics and some people would be blaming four different receivers.

I'm not looking to blame everyone except Ramsey. I merely await the coache's verdict.

[timdaley73]

That pick was on thrash. Thrash never looked back until it was too late. When there's a free blitzer like that, you need to have enough awareness to ralize that YOU are the hot route.

When will the madness STOP?!?!? So, it was also Portis' fault for having that ball go right to the defenders' hands and Ramsey throwing on his back footing....

BTW, another UNDER-THROWN BALL!! Guess Morss bailed him on that pass...

:doh:

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I'm not looking to blame everyone except Ramsey. I merely await the coache's verdict.

i agree. can we hear if gibbs says that was on thrash

[project myu]

Look, I have no doubt that at THIS point, I'd rather have Rothelisberajdfaidjfpd over Ramsey if I were to start my own franchise.

But let's not come up with BS such as considering "sophomore slump" a more valid excuse than the receiver not doing his job.

And also, whoever said Rothelisberg looks beter than Ramsey this game.. Uhh, did you not see Rothaldjfad's multiple passes that were completely dangerous, including a dropped interception? The only good thing Roth has done so far this game is that one scramble.

[timdaley73]

He Looks Horrrrrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

[Art]

Interesting how aggressive we are right now. Interesting as well we have essentially matched our offensive production of last year against the Steelers and we've got another drive or two left in the first half. Things are different, but, we're still too mistake prone.

[AzSkinsFan63]

This is the worst I have ever seen Ramsey........

He's off target as hell. Completely clueless back there..

I guess he's not handling the pressure well at all....

Pittsburgh's "D" is a good "D" though

[jbooma]

even his completed passes are not looking good, he isn't nervous is he???

[Park City Skins]

Look at the point where Moss catches the ball. See who comes in as he does. The saftey. Now, you have a db turned around but with receiver, ( many QB's underthrow in this circumstance by design because DB is not looking for ball), and a saftey rolling over, so, you underthrow to give receiver chance to catch, since he is looking for ball. Just a possibility.

[CrossWalker]

Ramsey just looks real bad. He looked like he did under Spurrier on those last few. I understand that there is pressure but he has to make a read and make someone pay for it. Again, I'm sorry for the doom and gloom but he just doesn't have it right now.

[project myu]

Look at the point where Moss catches the ball. See who comes in as he does. The saftey. Now, you have a db turned around but with receiver, ( many QB's underthrow in this circumstance by design because DB is not looking for ball), and a saftey rolling over, so, you underthrow to give receiver chance to catch, since he is looking for ball. Just a possibility.

That makes too much sense. Get out of this thread.

[Underwater Ally]

But let's not come up with BS such as considering "sophomore slump" a more valid excuse than the receiver not doing his job.

And also, whoever said Rothelisberg looks beter than Ramsey this game.. Uhh, did you not see Rothaldjfad's multiple passes that were completely dangerous, including a dropped interception? The only good thing Roth has done so far this game is that one scramble.

"Sophmore slump"? How about a one hit wonder fluke! :laugh:

Seriously, I think all the penalties are more concerning than Ramsey. If Gibbs decides that Ramsey is the problem and puts in Brunell, I'll support Mark. But lets stop whining and see how our offense works against last years best defense.

:logo:

[Park City Skins]

That makes too much sense. Get out of this thread.

Sorry. Won't let it happen again. ;)

[Underwater Ally]

This is the worst I have ever seen Ramsey........

He's off target as hell. Completely clueless back there..

I guess he's not handling the pressure well at all....

Pittsburgh's "D" is a good "D" though

Please tell me you didn't see preseason game #1
:doh:

[Underwater Ally]

Look at the point where Moss catches the ball. See who comes in as he does. The saftey. Now, you have a db turned around but with receiver, ( many QB's underthrow in this circumstance by design because DB is not looking for ball), and a saftey rolling over, so, you underthrow to give receiver chance to catch, since he is looking for ball. Just a possibility.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:notworthy

[jbooma]

Sorry. Won't let it happen again. ;)

Park I pray for all of us you are right :(

[Art]

This is an ENTIRELY different offense. We are threatening deep a great deal. Ramsey's going to miss on some of those, but, the offense is dangerous and, honestly, WE are a better team than the Steelers ON the field right now. We're kicking them around. They made a big play and fewer mistakes. That's what we lack right now. The ability to play well AND to play mistake free.

[project myu]

I've never seen people be so worried about a TWENTY-EIGHT YARD COMPLETION.

[CrossWalker]

This is an ENTIRELY different offense. We are threatening deep a great deal. Ramsey's going to miss on some of those, but, the offense is dangerous and, honestly, WE are a better team than the Steelers ON the field right now. We're kicking them around. They made a big play and fewer mistakes. That's what we lack right now. The ability to play well AND to play mistake free.

Art, that is why I have lost faith in Ramsey. It's the mistakes. I really have wanted for him to step up but he only flashes (just now to Patten) but the mistakes kill us.

[jbooma]

This is an ENTIRELY different offense. We are threatening deep a great deal. Ramsey's going to miss on some of those, but, the offense is dangerous and, honestly, WE are a better team than the Steelers ON the field right now. We're kicking them around. They made a big play and fewer mistakes. That's what we lack right now. The ability to play well AND to play mistake free.

Art is it me or do you think if we got mistake free play of our QB and some completed long balls that we could look like we did in 91.

[Art]

Art, that is why I have lost faith in Ramsey. It's the mistakes. I really have wanted for him to step up but he only flashes (just now to Patten) but the mistakes kill us.

I don't disagree with you. But, you can SEE just how clearly and completely we're put together. We have every piece. The Steelers are not even in our class on the field. They are winning because we make the big killer play you just have a hard time understanding. And THIS is the one area we haven't demonstrated ANY improvement on, so you should worry. You should also just wonder what happens if this area does improve because we're seeing a 15-1 team just getting dominated in every other way.

[Art]

Art is it me or do you think if we got mistake free play of our QB and some completed long balls that we could look like we did in 91.

It's clear, JB.

We're such a complete team. We're dangerous and physical. If we don't make the largely unforced mistake, we're in very good shape.

[Underwater Ally]

I've never seen people be so worried about a TWENTY-EIGHT YARD COMPLETION.

Seriously! We're moving the ball. Ramsey is a bit off on some of the long ones, but Pittsburg's coverage is killer. The offense is showing good balance and some success. Lets sit back and see if they can get it into the end zone. Thanks for being a voice of reason Project Myu.

:cheers:

[jbooma]

I don't disagree with you. But, you can SEE just how clearly and completely we're put together. We have every piece. The Steelers are not even in our class on the field. They are winning because we make the big killer play you just have a hard time understanding. And THIS is the one area we haven't demonstrated ANY improvement on, so you should worry. You should also just wonder what happens if this area does improve because we're seeing a 15-1 team just getting dominated in every other way.

To be fair we also don't know if the Steelers have done any gameplanning or even care about this game as much as us. I do love what I see, just wish we can get rid of the mistakes.

[TK]

Art is it me or do you think if we got mistake free play of our QB and some completed long balls that we could look like we did in 91.
Silly booma. :poke:

That's because we were mistake free in 91 with a downfield passing attack.

[bubba9497]

Ramsey definety gets better as the game goes along

[jbooma]

It's clear, JB.

We're such a complete team. We're dangerous and physical. If we don't make the largely unforced mistake, we're in very good shape.

I agree, curious if we have the depth though yet, last year it was apparent we didn't have much.

[SonnyJ]

Ramsey hasn't been awful and has done well to avoid sacks in a couple of cases. That pick was probably one that he shouldn't have released, but Thrash didn't do him any favors, either.

I can't believe people here. The Redskins are pretty well controlling the team that was the best in football for the better part of last season. If not for the pick and a long run, they would have nothing. NOTHING. The Redskins are moving the ball and stuffing them.

Yes, the mistakes are frustrating, but there are a lot of positives to take out of this game, too. Don't lose the forest for the trees.

And that was a horsecollar. Don't like the rule, but call it if it's a rule.

[jbooma]

Ramsey definety gets better as the game goes along

I agree, just wish he started hot :(

[SonnyJ]

Good throw. Let your guy make a play.

[Underwater Ally]

Touchdown Ramsey!!!! He is so going to the Pro Bowl!!!!!!!!!!

[jbooma]

Nice TD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there were 2 guys open that play :point2sky :point2sky :cheers:

[JMU1330]

Not THAT was the best drive from Ramsey all preseason. Need to see much more of that.

[TK]

Beautiful drive.

Cooley just made this team dangerous. :)

[LoGiK]

Touch Down To Cooley!! Woot

[timdaley73]

That was ALL COOLEY!! PR had Sellers wide open... Why would you risk that pass when he had other receivers WIDE open?!? Cooley literally stole that out of the defender's hands...

[BlueTalon]

Ramsey put a really nice touch on that pass. He had a smidge of luck to go with it, but still nice.

[Park City Skins]

As a QB, sometimes, maybe more, you throw the ball and let your receiver go and get it. All QB's do that. It's knowing each other that well. Terry Bradshaw, for instance, made a living at that. He knew his guys had a better than average chance at teh ball if he threw it up there.


*


NO. Not a comparison. Merely reference.

[BlueTalon]

He got lucky on the earlier sideline pass. Missed being intercepted an inch if that. But that was another pass with nice touch.

Sometimes you make your own luck.

[timdaley73]

As a QB, sometimes, maybe more, you throw the ball and let your receiver go and get it. All QB's do that. It's knowing each other that well. Terry Bradshaw, for instance, made a living at that. He knew his guys had a better than average chance at teh ball if he threw it up there.


*


NO. Not a comparison. Merely reference.

But, if you have decision problems like Ramsey, seems to me that a WIDE open receiver is a better target than throwing it into the defenders hands and have one of your guys go and get it out of there... Seems pretty easy, no???

[Underwater Ally]

That was ALL COOLEY!! PR had Sellers wide open... Why would you risk that pass when he had other receivers WIDE open?!? Cooley literally stole that out of the defender's hands...

I actually agree. I would have thrown to Sellers too. Cooley is the guy he's built a relationship with in the red zone though. But overall I think Ramsey has taken at least a small step forward tonight. Built some confidence and reduced the number of mistakes. The coaches and the game film will show where further improvement is needed. All in all I'm pleased. Now I'm curious to see what Brunell does.

[skinsmania123]

That was a great pass. No way the Defender gets it unless Cooley gives up on it.

It was beautiful drive. Patrick's stats are real good this game. Yes, his INT sucked. I know. He still needs to learn to tuck it in and go down or go throw it away. It is brain lock for some reason in that area.

Heck Ol' Ben almost got picked off twice. And he looks horrible! In fact his pre-season has been very poor.

[AzSkinsFan63]

Once Ramsey settles down he looks way better. I think it's the pressure that's getting to him myself. I think joe needs to name Ramsey the starter for week one right after this game and take it from there..

I don't care If Brunell looks good in the second half or not. He's a good backup then to have.

I vote for taking the pressure off Ramsey and go with him.

luckily GIBBS Ain't asking me..

[sweet daddy]

The defender never got his hand on the ball....it was a good pass....Sellers was not in the endzone and Cooley was...thats the reason he threw it....

[project myu]

But, if you have decision problems like Ramsey, seems to me that a WIDE open receiver is a better target than throwing it into the defenders hands and have one of your guys go and get it out of there... Seems pretty easy, no???

What about all the posts complaining about throwing to wide open targets before the first down marker?

If Sellers was stopped by a LB short of the goal line, we'd still be complaining.

But it was a TOUCHDOWN!!! How many of those did we see last year?

Let's enjoy!!! :cheers:

[Park City Skins]

You know what Tim? Another thing, as a QB, you just don't see everything. You saw Ben earlier do the same thing. Sometimes, and this may not be the case here, but keep in mind that sometimes, that view we see just isn't quite the same as the one they see on the field. An arm a shoulder, helmet, a moving body can get in the way for a brief second, and that's an eternity in the NFL.

[NOtoDC]

Whether u like it or not Ramsey's days are numbered, bring on the Rook!

[LoGiK]

#45 was soooo open I think sellers on the HB out...the linebacker stopped covering him and blitzed but Ramsey threw to Cooley in the coverage...if he threw a INT the fans would start boo-ing

[sweet daddy]

That was a great pass. No way the Defender gets it unless Cooley gives up on it.

It was beautiful drive. Patrick's stats are real good this game. Yes, his INT sucked. I know. He still needs to learn to tuck it in and go down or go throw it away. It is brain lock for some reason in that area.

Heck Ol' Ben almost got picked off twice. And he looks horrible! In fact his pre-season has been very poor.

that's right...he had a great game....save one bad throw....

[Underwater Ally]

He got lucky on the earlier sideline pass. Missed being intercepted an inch if that. But that was another pass with nice touch.

Sometimes you make your own luck.

True. Thanks for the outsider's perspective.

P.S. Do seahawks have large talons?

(Sorry, couldn't resist the Napoleon Dynamite reference) :D

[Xameil]

You all spoke WAY too early. Ramsey's final drive in the first half was perfect. GO PR!!!
Not to mention...he had the Steelers scared enough of the pass that Portis/Betts ran all over the #1 ranked defense.

Give the kid time...it's preseason still. He just needs to warm up.

[Underwater Ally]

Whether u like it or not Ramsey's days are numbered, bring on the Rook!

Um, Brunell is not a rookie...

[jbooma]

The secret is out of the bag, Howie and Jimmie both have said the Skins are loaded on the offense, they just need more consistency from Ramsey.

[bobzmuda]

Ramsey missed 2 sure TD's by underthrowing Moss and Patten, threw the pick, and almost underthrew Cooley on the TD and missed a wide open Sellars for an easy TD.

He's made some good throws, but he's not showing the improvement we need to see.

[NOtoDC]

I wasn't talking bout Brunell. Let's face it Jason is the future, at some point we have get the kid more playing time. Maybe not this yr, but we gotta get the young blood ready. Ramsey is a joke, living on borrowed time.

[Park City Skins]

Looking at the TC throw again, It would seem Patrick dropped back and saw the LB initially cover Sellars. He tailed Sellars for a couple of yards before breaking off. Cooley has his man by a step so the decision here is to look back over at Sellars, or throw it to Cooley and let him go get it before coverage is there. All that in a few seconds. Tough call. I'm thinking the coaches may work with Patrick on that one, but without knowing whether or not Sellars was the primary or just a decoy hard to say.

[jbooma]

Looking at the TC throw again, It would seem Patrick dropped back and saw the LB initially cover Sellars. He tailed Sellars for a couple of yards before breaking off. Cooley has his man by a step so the decision here is to look back over at Sellars, or throw it to Cooley and let him go get it before coverage is there. All that in a few seconds. Tough call. I'm thinking the coaches may work with Patrick on that one, but without knowing whether or not Sellars was the primary or just a decoy hard to say.

Maybe he has more faith in Cooley then Sellers, my wife was screaming the RB was open :laugh:

[Yusuf06]

Look, I think the important thing to focus on here is that Ramsey has made incremental improvement in each of the games. By the 2nd or 3rd game of the regular season he's going to be kicking some major arse.;)

[Underwater Ally]

I wasn't talking bout Brunell. Let's face it Jason is the future, at some point we have get the kid more playing time. Maybe not this yr, but we gotta get the young blood ready. Ramsey is a joke, living on borrowed time.

True about Campbell, but Ramsey is no joke. Several other teams are just waiting for us to give up on him so they can pick him up. With a name like "No to DC" I have to wonder which of those teams is yours?

[jbooma]

sort of surprised Ramsey didn't go back in the 3rd, I thought Gibbs was going to play the starters 3, guess he wants to see Mark

[Underwater Ally]

The secret is out of the bag, Howie and Jimmie both have said the Skins are loaded on the offense, they just need more consistency from Ramsey.

Yeah and I think it was Aikman (or Buck) who was bragging on our O-line. Its crow eating time comming up for the mediots!
:applause:

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Ramsey missed 2 sure TD's by underthrowing Moss and Patten, threw the pick, and almost underthrew Cooley on the TD and missed a wide open Sellars for an easy TD.

He's made some good throws, but he's not showing the improvement we need to see.

this post is straight up bull****. you guys need to get a grip. the offense looked better than it has looked since the first game of the steve spurrier era against the steelers.

stop rooting against the washington redskins qb. because that's what PATRICK RAMSEY is. he IS the qb of the washington redskins. GET OVER IT

[TheSteve]

this post is straight up bull****. you guys need to get a grip. the offense looked better than it has looked since the first game of the steve spurrier era against the steelers.

stop rooting against the washington redskins qb. because that's what PATRICK RAMSEY is. he IS the qb of the washington redskins. GET OVER IT

This is utterly amazing to me. I thought Brunell should be benched last year as early as the Dallas game, but when he was playing well and we were driving on Dallas I wasn't saying on each one of his good throws how bad they were. I was cheering like crazy because I thought the refs were going to let us play fairly and win that game. But now, when Ramsey is showing incremental improvement, his detractors are showing their true colors by spewing the same mindless vitrol as they were before.

I mean, he threw a nice TD pass, a TOUCHDOWN, and they're saying he should have dumped it off in the flat where a touchdown to Sellers, who he does not trust as much as Cooley, is not a sure thing?? PLEASE.
:doh:

[GOSKN5]

I think Ramsey looked alright. He did throw the pick but that didnt bother me as much as the two or three underthrown balls to Moss.... the pick looked like it could have really been on thrash but maybe not....

Also the throw to Cooley really was a good throw... the defender had no chance at picking it.... it could have been knocked away but not picked... thats what you do in the endzone... throw it and let your receiver make a play and with cooleys hands i would say that was a good choice.....

I also agree with the earlier post that Ramsey should be named week 1 starter after this game.... let that sink in a little and see where Ramsey goes with it..... I think if Ramsey can eliminate the mistakes he will be good.... if not great..... the underthrown balls need some work but as said before thats going to happen... i am just glad we at least threw the ball downfield..... anyway... im ready for a game that counts.... 4 pre seasons are too much...

Hail

[timdaley73]

Can you point out to me any criticism on that BEAUTIFUL drive by Brunell?!?! He makes less mistakes and bad decisions... HE GIVES US A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN!! Right now it could be 17-3 if it wasn't Ramsey ALWAYS giving the other team a chance to win or points!!

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Yeah, I agrree theSteve--Sellers is not the TE that COoley is(or should I say, receiver.)

To assume a throw to him is the same to a good throw to Cooley on the jump is idiotic.

Cooley>Sellers every single time, unless he's double covered and Sellers is wide open.

[AzSkinsFan63]

Can you point out to me any criticism on that BEAUTIFUL drive by Brunell?!?! He makes less mistakes and bad decisions... HE GIVES US A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN!! Right now it could be 17-3 if it wasn't Ramsey ALWAYS giving the other team a chance to win or points!!

I agree..we have a very very solid backup....

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Can you point out to me any criticism on that BEAUTIFUL drive by Brunell?!?! He makes less mistakes and bad decisions... HE GIVES US A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN!! Right now it could be 17-3 if it wasn't Ramsey ALWAYS giving the other team a chance to win or points!!

Um, it's all Rock and run after the catch.

How many WRs caught balls on that drive?

I'm not saying u just pass to WRs, but if we want to pass to RBs and the like, we'll just GAMEPLAN for that.

[bubba9497]

Brunell is throwing short/medium opposed to Ramsey throwing 70% deep


hmmmmmmmm

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Can you point out to me any criticism on that BEAUTIFUL drive by Brunell?!?! He makes less mistakes and bad decisions... HE GIVES US A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN!! Right now it could be 17-3 if it wasn't Ramsey ALWAYS giving the other team a chance to win or points!!

here's my criticism. its against 3rd stringers

[Park City Skins]

No criticisms of Mark. He looked good. It did appear as though Coach worked a bit of a different offense than Patrick, but he did look good.

[sweet daddy]

MB is playing well....it is just hard to quantify the 1st team 2nd team thing....

That doesn't change the fact that Ramsey had a good game.

[Saqs]

Ramsey saved his ass with that last drive. He looked good doing it too.

[sweet daddy]

Can you point out to me any criticism on that BEAUTIFUL drive by Brunell?!?! He makes less mistakes and bad decisions... HE GIVES US A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN!! Right now it could be 17-3 if it wasn't Ramsey ALWAYS giving the other team a chance to win or points!!

We tried the conservative approach last year...and you know those results.

[Xameil]

Brunell...short passes against a second string
Ramsey...long passes against the 1st ranked defense...also showing to Pitt..Redskins can throw the ball...Defense has to adjust now helps out Brunell a tad more

[mookie0720]

Call me nutty but I really don't see much of a difference between Big Ben and Ramsey. For that matter, I don't see much of a difference between us and the Steelers - cept for 9 wins or so.


I mean besides all of last season.


Nobody else besides people on this board would ever make that comparison.

[Underwater Ally]

Can you point out to me any criticism on that BEAUTIFUL drive by Brunell?!?! He makes less mistakes and bad decisions... HE GIVES US A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN!! Right now it could be 17-3 if it wasn't Ramsey ALWAYS giving the other team a chance to win or points!!

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Brunell looks good but Gibbs is running a much more conservative offense. All his passes are short to medium. Ramsey's were mostly longer high risk type passes. I'm certainly glad Brunell looks good, but stop comparing apples and oranges.

:hammer:

[jbooma]

:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:

Brunell looks good but Gibbs is running a much more conservative offense. All his passes are short to medium. Ramsey's were mostly longer high risk type passes. I'm certainly glad Brunell looks good, but stop comparing apples and oranges.

:hammer:

to be fair the first pass over 20 was dropped right on the face mask

[bubba9497]

Ramsey has improved each pre-season game, he is getting connecton with new wr.

all will be fine

[ArmchairRedskin]

Ramsey's rating for tonight is 81.25. Not too shabby.

[mookie0720]

The secret is out of the bag, Howie and Jimmie both have said the Skins are loaded on the offense, they just need more consistency from Ramsey.

They are just members of the super secret Skins media conspiracy.

Nothing that anyone involved with the game of football says about Ramsey can possibly be true (unless positive).

Only the pro-Ramsey people on this board have the right answers.

[BlueTalon]

True. Thanks for the outsider's perspective.

P.S. Do seahawks have large talons?

(Sorry, couldn't resist the Napoleon Dynamite reference) :D

Depends on the year. Hopefully this year they're big!

[Art]

They are just members of the super secret Skins media conspiracy.

Nothing that anyone involved with the game of football says about Ramsey can possibly be true (unless positive).

Only the pro-Ramsey people on this board have the right answers.

This is ridiculous. Most people here recognize the flaws in Ramsey and that he needs to improve. Those who are pro-Ramsey simply think he can emerge as a good player. Those who are against Ramsey have already made up their minds he can't be and won't hear any other information.

[bobzmuda]

this post is straight up bull****. you guys need to get a grip. the offense looked better than it has looked since the first game of the steve spurrier era against the steelers.

stop rooting against the washington redskins qb. because that's what PATRICK RAMSEY is. he IS the qb of the washington redskins. GET OVER IT

You're the one that needs to get a grip. I noted that Ramsey isn't making all the plays that are there for him. If you want to be happy that Ramsey has missed several deep TDs this season because he's getting better that's your prerogative.

I simply stated that at this point in his career Ramsey needs to be making some of these throws and start reducing THE BIG MISTAKE that he seems to continue to be making.

Nowhere in my post did I say Ramsey sucked or I wanted Brunell to start. I merely expressed my displeasure that Ramsey hasn't made the progress in those 2 areas that he should be.

Some of you folks need to chill out and understand that not everyone is either 100% pro or anti Ramsey.

[HeHateMe]

At least you all agree it was sorely underthrown.

[spiral]

I don't care what his stats are , PR missed 3 chances for TD's that any starting NFL QB should make.This game should have been a blow out. Let's stop making excuses for PR..i.e it's just preseason etc... He wasn't good tonight,or anytime this year. If we're going to challenge The Eagles for the NFC East, we sure better hope JG puts in MB.

[WVSkinsfan]

Ramsey played a good game tonight againist the #1 defense of last year and if you guys can't come out and say that he did have a good game then something is very wrong. He threw for 141 yards againist the steelers first unit defense.IMO tonights preformance WON him the starting job and I will be backing him 110% even if you guys don't.

[WVSkinsfan]

I don't care what his stats are , PR missed 3 chances for TD's that any starting NFL QB should make.This game should have been a blow out. Let's stop making excuses for PR..i.e it's just preseason etc... He wasn't good tonight,or anytime this year. If we're going to challenge The Eagles for the NFC East, we sure better hope JG puts in MB.

You sound like Jimmy Johnson!!!!! :rolleyes:

[BlueTalon]

Congrats on the win, guys!

[Yusuf06]

BOTH Ramsey AND Brunell had good games against one of, if not THE best defense in the NIFFLE. Now if I can admit that Brunell looked good, surely you Ramsey haters can admit he has improved with each game so far. If this trend continues you guys are going to have an increasingly difficult time criticizing him.

[Mooka]

I don't care what his stats are , PR missed 3 chances for TD's that any starting NFL QB should make.This game should have been a blow out. Let's stop making excuses for PR..i.e it's just preseason etc... He wasn't good tonight,or anytime this year. If we're going to challenge The Eagles for the NFC East, we sure better hope JG puts in MB.

any starter like Roethlisberger?

[Xtrmskn04]

Just got back from the game. Ramsey started out shaky. However, i am begining to think Ramsey is still thinking to much when he throws the ball. I think Musgrave has been working with Ramsey to get more air under his throws. He normally throws the ball on a rope to the receiver. This is the Ramsey we are used to. His passes to me always looked like they got there in a hurry and displayed his arm strength. Now the coaches are trying to make him throw the ball up and let the recievers run under it. However, Ramsey now has receivers who are much faster than last year. He has got to get used the speed. Santana is out running his throws every time. and then having to slow up. He just needs to stop thinking about it and let it rip. Fire the ball down the field. He certainly has the strength to do it.

[JimmiJo]

Ramsey cemented his starting job tonight, so whether or no you like it, he will be starting the first game.

However, if he does not:
- Stop turning the ball over
- Start reading defenses better
- Throw the ball in front of guys in deep routes

Then he will not make it long before MB is in.

Finally, I love when he plays like he did on the TD drive, very good. However, he has yet to show he is a good starting QB, let alone a great one. After 4 years, the time is right now to do so.

Ok, one more finally - I remember how bad he played last pre-season, but then he played better in real games. I hope it will be the same this year.

[bubba9497]

1. some routes are purposely under thrown, or overthrown away from the db and the one deep miss Moss stopped looking for a flag, could have adjusted as he did later.

2. even the greatestest of QB's only completed less than 40% of passes 30 yards or more, and very few are perfectly thrown, it is important for the WR to make adjustments, as the QB to make the throw

3. the concenus so far is Thrash made the wrong read on the Int.... but Ramsey should have thrown it in the stands.

4. Aikman was obviously impressed with Ramsey

5. Brunell throw only 1 pass for over 20 yards, none over 25.... most under 10 yards. Ramsey threw about 50-60% of his passes for 20 plus......

6. The players are looking to Ramsey as the leader, and the OL as a unit in perticular

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

JimmiJo

Quite a turnaround for you (even with your reservations) this week.

[PREDICTOR]

more excuses

Redskins win....Patrick throws more TD passes than Ben Rothlenberger....has thrown for 340 yards in the last 4 quarters...and you're still hating him.

Just for the record...perhaps the excuses are for Gibbs. I knew the Steelers were going to blitz on that play and Gibbs didn't. How did I know? Because the Steelers ALWAYS blitz on 2nd and 10 after a running play. My God it was obvious that it was coming....and Gibbs did not put anyone in the backfield to block. How stupid was THAT.

And whats up with James Thrash...Mr. semi cirle route runner playing as a starter in the first half? Whats up with that. Thrash is the 5th receiver on this team.

[Tommy-the-Greek]

I just got back from the game and some of you guys just make me laugh. Ramsey is going to lead this team into the playoffs. We just dominated one of the best teams in football. Sure we only won by 7 points, but what would the score had been if Ramsey played the entire game?

With Joe's second half adjustments and Ramsey's ability to play better as the game moves on this could have been a blow out. You also have to understand the play calling in the first half seemed to be geared towards letting Ramsey throw the ball around. If we were mixing it up a bit more this line would have totally worn down the Steeler front 7.

Our "D" dominated the Steelers and this "D" will be a top 5 "D". Our "O" line is going to be impressive as they continue to gel as a unit with every snap. Our special teams unit will be well above the league average.

If you can't see everything starting to fall into place right now your blind. We should all hold our heads up high. We have been waiting so damn long for this moment some think it's is a mirage and it doesn't exist. Well believe me it does exist and we are witnessing the start of a new Redskins dynasty.

[Xameil]

If you can't see everything starting to fall into place right now your blind. We should all hold our heads up high. We have been waiting so damn long for this moment some think it's is a mirage and it doesn't exist. Well believe me it does exist and we are witnessing the start of a new Redskins dynasty.



AMEN BROTHER!!!! :gaintsuck

[JimmiJo]

JimmiJo

Quite a turnaround for you (even with your reservations) this week.

It is what it is Ghosty :cool: