Ramsey has a "cannon"?

[B.A.M.F.]

I've been on PR side during these debates, and I still am. However I'm wondering why if he has such a strong arm he continues to underthrow his wr on the deep routes. If he ever hit these guys in stride it would be a TD. I would rather see the wr have to lay out for it than adjust back into the defenders to try and catch the ball. He has the strength...so what is the problem?

[project myu]

One of the things that people have griped about his passes was that he lacked "touch" on deep throws. I guess he's trying to work on that and because of it, it's not going as far as if he just rifled it out.

[Clinton Portis]

He can't tell depth on his throws.

Thats why he's having a hard time, he can't control his arm strengh. He doesn't know touch. His idea of touch is throwing a weak ball, i think anyone who picks up a football thinks a Fade route, or a deep streak lob, are weak throws. But they have the same zing as Bullets, but they get air under them. A duck is not a lob, Ramsey thinks that taking strength off is touch, it is not. He's slowly learning the differences.

[LoGiK]

He has a very strong arm, he just needs to try not to underthrow Moss on those deep routes

[Voice of Reason]

He has a cannon, but he's never been too great with the touch throws, as he showed tonight on those deep passes to Moss and Patten.

[RedskinDan0557]

I think that they have been getting him to work on his touch too much, and he's lost a little bit worrying about gunning it too much.

[TimFolk]

I think he is underestimating the speed of his WR's.

[garg8050]

I think what's happened is that Ramsey is trying to throw the ball with "too much" touch. Instead of firing the ball (like he's done the previous years - and often overthrown the deep ball), he's trying to put a lot of air/touch on the throws and now seems to be underthrowing the ball. He needs to find the middle ground. Given the speed at wideout, I'd rather he fired it and let Patten and Moss try to chase it down.

[DieselPwr44]

Jake Delhomme makes a living throwing like that gentlemen........

[bulldog]

he is tentative and worried about throwing INTs so he is trying to 'place' the ball in there instead of having the confidence to step into the throw.

you can't tell me that a guy that in practice can thrown a football some 75 yards (I remember Jurgensen said this a year or two ago and was amazed by it) is not capable of reaching a receiver at 30 yards.

it is all in the motion and in the mental part of the game.

Ramsey is still quite fragile. Games like tonight where he comes back from adversity to play well down the stretch are exactly what he needs.

[Art]

He's being taught to put air under the ball. His underthrown to Moss was a 50-yard-pass he hardly put any effort into. He's got a ways to go on this area before it starts looking better, but, when he gets it, he'll still have the gun when he needs it.

[B.A.M.F.]

Could it also be that he's still getting used to guys who are this FAST? Man those two can move.

[Tarhog]

You have to keep in mind, he's had very little time to get used to TWO new starting wide receivers. Anyone who thinks he lacks the arm-strength to get the ball there.....can't believe that....

In fact, in the first 2 pre-season games, he overthrew the deep ball several times. He may be trying to find his groove with Moss and Patten more than anything.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Some just don't get it. Coaches teach QB's to underthrow the ball when the reciever is streaking down the field and the DB has his back turned. Santana can adjust to the ball as he did the DB has to worry about that 4.3 speed and getting beat for a touchdown and being on ESPN.

[Phat Hog]

The British had lots of cannons...lotta good it did them! :silly:

[Leonard Washington]

Some just don't get it. Coaches teach QB's to underthrow the ball when the reciever is streaking down the field and the DB has his back turned. Santana can adjust to the ball as he did the DB has to worry about that 4.3 speed and getting beat for a touchdown and being on ESPN.

B-I-N-G-O

[kappaluvacee]

If Ramsey still has a cannon, then he should bring the powder-keg along with it and catch the burners we have in-stride. I want to see these guys truly toast the defense.

[SonnyJ]

Jake Delhomme makes a living throwing like that gentlemen........

No kidding. They showed that highlight of his TD to Smith during the game - Smith had to stop, turn, and step to the right to catch it. What did people say? Another great play by Delhomme. Ramsey does this and he is being lambasted.

People are taking reasonable critiques on Ramsey's play and turning them into ridiculous expectations. News flash: not every pass is going to be perfectly thrown in a place where defenders have no chance at it and the WR will be hit right in stride.

Sometimes you put the ball out there and trust the receiver to get the ball. It can be very effective.

[LoGiK]

Could it also be that he's still getting used to guys who are this FAST? Man those two can move.


It is important that he gets his timing down with his recievers and gets some chemistry going.

[O.S.F]

Sometimes you put the ball out there and trust the receiver to get the ball. It can be very effective.

Amen :thumbsup:

[B.A.M.F.]

No kidding. They showed that highlight of his TD to Smith during the game - Smith had to stop, turn, and step to the right to catch it. What did people say? Another great play by Delhomme. Ramsey does this and he is being lambasted.

People are taking reasonable critiques on Ramsey's play and turning them into ridiculous expectations. News flash: not every pass is going to be perfectly thrown in a place where defenders have no chance at it and the WR will be hit right in stride.

Sometimes you put the ball out there and trust the receiver to get the ball. It can be very effective.

I'm not blasting PR, I've been in his corner sinse last year. I was just concerned that he didn't seem able to launch it like before, but there are good explanations listed above. I'm hardly calling for his head.

[TheGreek1973]

Let me tell you what the problem is guys. he is trying to adjust from "my toe hurts Coles" and run half ass Gardner to rocket Moss, and F1 car Patten. Timing is still not there but we have a couple of more weeks and then look out. This was the number one D in the ENTIRE league today we made look very ordinary. Oh yea and that INT it wasn't completly Ramsey's fault. Thrash messed up the route. He didn't make the out. If he did maybe its not completed but also the DB wouldn't have a play on it.

Do you guys also realize that in 4 quarters (esential one game) against a good D in the Bengals and a great D in Steelers Ramsey has thrown for over 300 yards and 2 TDs?

Wow.

[stevenaa]

PR addressed it in the presser. On the one, he said he saw the safety coming over strong before he threw it. The other he said he couldn't judge the seperation well and unerthrew it. High risk High reward plays. Low percentage completions. You hit them and it's a hugh play. If it's picked, it will hopefully amount to a punt.

[stevenaa]

"Oh yea and that INT it wasn't completly Ramsey's fault. Thrash messed up the route. He didn't make the out. If he did maybe its not completed but also the DB wouldn't have a play on it."


That's partly correct. It's also about learning how the receivers will react when the heat is on. Some will stop like Thrash did, and others will run to the sideline. Just have to figure out what your recievers tend to do in those situations.

[RedskinPryde]

he does have a arm but i think that patrick ramsey still is nervous and he will tend to underthrow which might be worse because overthrowin means u can gettn it there but u gave too much. underthrowin means ur just not hittin it. well see that cannon problably on sept 11