Ramsey: 12/19 completing 64% for 141 1 td and 1 int, haters keep it moving!

[boobiemiles]

Without a doubt this was a good showing for Rams. Sure he threw a pick that went for six, but he made the right read on the blitz. Thrash is the hot reciever, he has to cut his route short and look for the ball. But Pitt does a great job at disguising their packages. Rams had a few good passes, but he was short on a few. He didn't over throw anybody, but he under threw a few passes. I see that he under threws when he tries to put touch on the pass. He thinks to much, and puts the ball where the player use to be, instead of where they'll be. But that's timing and he can work on that. He made some really good reads, and even when he scrambeld he kept his head up field. I was really impressed with his presents in the pocket. He escaped a Casey Hampton that came up the middle unblocked. And eventhough he didn't complete the pass, the read was right. He had single coverage on the outside. He found Moss a few times. And took what the D gave him. He may have thrown an int for six, but he redeemed himself with a drive for a FG and TD. This is a very good D. Palumalou is a really good SS, that can read the QB quickly. Rams was not locking on his recievers. You could actually see him check down. Againt one of the best D's in the league he got rid of the ball, and made some good reads. The turnovers, and short passes must stop. But he has made strides, and showed up tonight. And my nobody is talking about how long Rams holds the ball when the o-line looks like the Great wall of China. 0 sacks tonight folks. Holla

[bubba9497]

as predicted he has improved each pre-season game


he'll be fine

[Kilmer]

The only good thing Ramsey did tonight that I think keeps him the starter, is he outscored himself 10-7. He played well enough tonight to not lose his job in my opinion.

[WVSkinsfan]

Without a doubt this was a good showing for Rams. Sure he threw a pick that went for six, but he made the right read on the blitz. Thrash is the hot reciever, he has to cut his route short and look for the ball. But Pitt does a great job at disguising their packages. Rams had a few good passes, but he was short on a few. He didn't over throw anybody, but he under threw a few passes. I see that he under threws when he tries to put touch on the pass. He thinks to much, and puts the ball where the player use to be, instead of where they'll be. But that's timing and he can work on that. He made some really good reads, and even when he scrambeld he kept his head up field. I was really impressed with his presents in the pocket. He escaped a Casey Hampton that came up the middle unblocked. And eventhough he didn't complete the pass, the read was right. He had single coverage on the outside. He found Moss a few times. And took what the D gave him. He may have thrown an int for six, but he redeemed himself with a drive for a FG and TD. This is a very good D. Palumalou is a really good SS, that can read the QB quickly. Rams was not locking on his recievers. You could actually see him check down. Againt one of the best D's in the league he got rid of the ball, and made some good reads. The turnovers, and short passes must stop. But he has made strides, and showed up tonight. And my nobody is talking about how long Rams holds the ball when the o-line looks like the Great wall of China. 0 sacks tonight folks. Holla


Great post man,I agree with you 100% :applause:

[O.S.F]

I think the most hilarious things is they kept talking and analyze Patrick on Fox's pre-game, halftime and post-game.... while Big Ben is going for 5/16, and looks bad for third game in a row. Obviously, only the Redskins have a bad starting QB in the pre-season. :doh:

[bubba9497]

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/08/26/PH2005082602043.jpg

enough said

[WVSkinsfan]

I think the most hilarious things is they kept talking and analyze Patrick on Fox's pre-game, halftime and post-game.... while Big Ben is going for 5/16, and looks bad for third game in a row. Obviously, only the Redskins have a bad starting QB in the pre-season. :doh:


Well after the game when HL and JJ was really bashing Ramsey TB steped in and said Ramsey 12-19 141 yards and big ben 5-16 for 40 something yards.He then looked up to HL and JJ and said AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE. TB talked really good about PR all night long and he was the ONLY one that knew what he was talking about.

[SKINtil8tin]

OOOOO! That was a SWEET catch, Bubba!

[TheREALJBird]

Ramsey did good bottom line

[McMetal]

I hear you, but the QB rating is still troubling. I don't think that's a wholly overrated statistic.

[stevenaa]

I hope the Oline doesn't start tripping over PR's "presents" in the pocket. :)

[sith lord]

He should of had 2 TD passes.

[TheGreek1973]

I think the most hilarious things is they kept talking and analyze Patrick on Fox's pre-game, halftime and post-game.... while Big Ben is going for 5/16, and looks bad for third game in a row. Obviously, only the Redskins have a bad starting QB in the pre-season. :doh:

Dude you could not have said it better. hell if I was just a casual observer here I say the Steelers have the major problems at QB.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

He should of had 2 TD passes.

One was all his fault, the other Moss had his damn hands on(the one more the middle of the field) It was underthrown but he easily could have had that by making the same adjustment he made later.

[scruffylookin]

"Big Ben" was figured out by mid-season, right around the time Gregg Williams got a hold of him last year :D . He is way overrated and the FOX guys are giving him a pass while continuing to bash Patrick, who played much better and I do agree with Bubba, Patrick has gotten better each game whereas Roethlisburger is getting worse.

[WVSkinsfan]

I am sick and tired of reading all the bashing on PR day in and day out.I trully hope he does'nt come on here and read all BS that alot of you posters has to say.Even if he does'nt turn out to be our starter for years to come he still deserves better treatmant from ALL the Redskins fans.I trully thought we had the best fans in the nfl but I am starting to wonder if I was wrong.

The fact is we need to get behind this kid 110% and cheer for him every single game win or lose.All this bashing of him every single minute of the day is'nt making nobody look bad but your selfs and making us Skins fans look like we jerks.

The funny thing about this is all you posters that want Brunell to start was the same ones that was calling for his head and wanting Ramsey to start last year.You all need to get your heads on straight and be a true Skins fan like you should be.

Im not trying to be an ******* and make everybody mad at me but im just stating the truth.We all need to back Ramsey and the whole team up and this site will be a better place than it is now with all the arguing and trashing on Ramsey. :helmet: :logo: :dallasuck :dallasuck

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Actually WVSkinsfan, a decent number of the pro-Brunell(or if you will, those that believed Gibbs decision to be the right one at THAT time) are big Ramsey-doubters and/or haters. They also advocate a shorter lease for Ramsey, even though they were among those supporting Brunell or asking "what else do we have?"

But yeah, many of the noobs probably are of the kind you describe.

[WVSkinsfan]

Actually WVSkinsfan, a decent number of the pro-Brunell(or if you will, those that believed Gibbs decision to be the right one at THAT time) are big Ramsey-doubters and/or haters. They also advocate a shorter lease for Ramsey, even though they were among those supporting Brunell or asking "what else do we have?"

But yeah, many of the noobs probably are of the kind you describe.

Well if im wrong then I will be the first one to apolozise to everyone.The main thing that im wanting is to see everybody back up our starters(whoever that might be)and quit the arguing and start backing this team like we used to.I garrentee if everybody would then this site would be ten times better and our season would be ten times better win or lose b/c EVERYBODY would be 110% behind the Skins.

THATS ALL IM ASKING FOR!!!!!

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

WV

It's OK to be wrong. IMO, it's WORSE if someone is obstinate in the face of reality consistently and ignores the actual results from the last year than if someone just swings with emotion from one extreme to another.

But that is the name of the website, ain't it? ;)

[TheLongshot]

I thought it was funny when they started piling on Ramsey when he made the interception, but after she scored the touchdown, they kinda discounted the interception. All of a sudden, they had to say nice things about Ramsey.

I think he was helped out a lot by his receivers tonight. He certainly has a problem underthrowing deep. Hopefully, Gibbs will see what he does well right now, and focuses his game plan on that.

Jason

[WVSkinsfan]

WV

It's OK to be wrong. IMO, it's WORSE if someone is obstinate in the face of reality consistently and ignores the actual results from the last year than if someone just swings with emotion from one extreme to another.

But that is the name of the website, ain't it? ;)

I agree with you 100% man!! I just wished alot of people would see it the way you and I see it.

[roqnap1]

Ramsey will be fine...after tonight I am sure of it. However, that INT was rediculous. He obviously was flashing back to '03 and totally freaked out when he saw he was about to get crushed. Once he gets over that...we'll be complete.

[Streater101]

I've really liked what I've seen from Pat. He's showed progress in each game. I think he will continue to get better as he gains more continuity with is WR's. He could have easily had 2 TD's if he hadn't of underthrown Moss. He needs to just stop worrying about overthrowing him and just let it go, and allow Moss to go get it. There aren't many corners that are going to be able to keep up with him downfield.

[Spaceman Spiff]

He should of had 2 TD passes.


He did have two TD passes. :)

Seriously though I was pleased with his effort tonight. Yeah, a trademark bonehead throw/decision but he did more than enough to compensate for it.

Anyone else notice that some of his deep balls are underthrown? For having such a great arm supposedly, he does underthrow deep balls. Hopefully he won't be afraid to overthrow later on this season. Everyone knows he has the arm to get it over the defender and hit a receiver on the run down the field.

Also, the TD pass, he had Sellers in the flat, wide open. Did he see him or just automatically look for Cooley? I understand that he likes Cooley, but the easier pass was right there in front of him. Still, he put it where only Cooley could get it, a good throw.

I've been pretty critical of Ramsey but like I said, I was pleased with his effort. Hopefully he can build upon this and make even more progress against the Ravens next week and not be the one step forward one step backwards qb we've been used to seeing.

[Mooka]

Without a doubt this was a good showing for Rams. Sure he threw a pick that went for six, but he made the right read on the blitz. Thrash is the hot reciever, he has to cut his route short and look for the ball. But Pitt does a great job at disguising their packages. Rams had a few good passes, but he was short on a few. He didn't over throw anybody, but he under threw a few passes. I see that he under threws when he tries to put touch on the pass. He thinks to much, and puts the ball where the player use to be, instead of where they'll be. But that's timing and he can work on that. He made some really good reads, and even when he scrambeld he kept his head up field. I was really impressed with his presents in the pocket. He escaped a Casey Hampton that came up the middle unblocked. And eventhough he didn't complete the pass, the read was right. He had single coverage on the outside. He found Moss a few times. And took what the D gave him. He may have thrown an int for six, but he redeemed himself with a drive for a FG and TD. This is a very good D. Palumalou is a really good SS, that can read the QB quickly. Rams was not locking on his recievers. You could actually see him check down. Againt one of the best D's in the league he got rid of the ball, and made some good reads. The turnovers, and short passes must stop. But he has made strides, and showed up tonight. And my nobody is talking about how long Rams holds the ball when the o-line looks like the Great wall of China. 0 sacks tonight folks. Holla

I agree with most of what you say but the int was definently not the right read. He should've taken the sack.

[dreamingwolf]

I am a 100% Gibb backer, but its getting harder and harder to support Ramsey. I think its the fans fault.

Allow me to explain, remember last season when Brunell did what he did and the fans chanted for Ramsey to replace him and the fans got what they wanted. he is living with that spector that replaced him for Brunell. I think hes under the impression that if he doesnt make a play everytime he will be replaced, and thats why he throws those stupid passes. If he was secure in his job, he would just let it go and not worry but Washington fans are not so willing to let go of a quarterback controversy.

we really suck as fans also, cause we really helped the pitt fans make noise when our offense was on the field. I really hope by the time regular season rolls arround people wake up and understand the twelth man.

[NewGibbsEra]

PR's performance was AVE at best. I'll give him credit for playing against a great Defensive team, but the fact is he threw the errant int for the TD. He under threw about 4 passes.... 2 of them coulda very well easily been TD's... He still shows his read on 1 wr most of the time. His decision making is still obviously off and takes too much time....
And 2 passes Moss bailed him out big time. The one to the sidelines was way underthrown but Moss made a great adjustment and grabbed it. The other 40+ yarder by moss was ALL Moss.

Not saying he had a bad day. Hell of a lot better tehn last week, but I dont see what he did to credit him with an 'Impressive' performance. He had a solid performance compared to Ben, but thats about it. It was our D with the Solid performance as always. Ramsey has a long ways to go. Hopefully he can get a grip b4 its too late.

[NewGibbsEra]

I am sick and tired of reading all the bashing on PR day in and day out.I trully hope he does'nt come on here and read all BS that alot of you posters has to say.Even if he does'nt turn out to be our starter for years to come he still deserves better treatmant from ALL the Redskins fans.I trully thought we had the best fans in the nfl but I am starting to wonder if I was wrong.

The fact is we need to get behind this kid 110% and cheer for him every single game win or lose.All this bashing of him every single minute of the day is'nt making nobody look bad but your selfs and making us Skins fans look like we jerks.

The funny thing about this is all you posters that want Brunell to start was the same ones that was calling for his head and wanting Ramsey to start last year.You all need to get your heads on straight and be a true Skins fan like you should be.

Im not trying to be an ******* and make everybody mad at me but im just stating the truth.We all need to back Ramsey and the whole team up and this site will be a better place than it is now with all the arguing and trashing on Ramsey. :helmet: :logo: :dallasuck :dallasuck

The fact is he's a grown man... I dont think he is gonna put himself into a timeout because he heard some fans on a forum talking trash. ESPN does it enough on national t.v. I think he can handle a few online posts. :laugh:

You make him out to seem like a fruitball. :doh:

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

PR's performance was AVE at best. I'll give him credit for playing against a great Defensive team, but the fact is he threw the errant int for the TD. He under threw about 4 passes.... 2 of them coulda very well easily been TD's... He still shows his read on 1 wr most of the time. His decision making is still obviously off and takes too much time....
And 2 passes Moss bailed him out big time. The one to the sidelines was way underthrown but Moss made a great adjustment and grabbed it. The other 40+ yarder by moss was ALL Moss.

Not saying he had a bad day. Hell of a lot better tehn last week, but I dont see what he did to credit him with an 'Impressive' performance. He had a solid performance compared to Ben, but thats about it. It was our D with the Solid performance as always. Ramsey has a long ways to go. Hopefully he can get a grip b4 its too late.

Moss bailed him out big time---last time I checked, TO, et al bail out their QBs.

For godssakes--he's trying to 'touch' the passes and occasionally he succeeds in Delhommeing it.

But let's be honest, NewGibbsEra--he'll have to throw for 300 and 3 TDs with no picks(even if it's a deflected pass) to satisfy you. Every pass, every movement of his head or eye, every shift of the feet is going to be scrutinized by you people.

You are letting the perfect be the enemy of the good to gratify your own personal agenda.

[PREDICTOR]

Without a doubt this was a good showing for Rams. Sure he threw a pick that went for six, but he made the right read on the blitz. Thrash is the hot reciever, he has to cut his route short and look for the ball. But Pitt does a great job at disguising their packages. Rams had a few good passes, but he was short on a few. He didn't over throw anybody, but he under threw a few passes. I see that he under threws when he tries to put touch on the pass. He thinks to much, and puts the ball where the player use to be, instead of where they'll be. But that's timing and he can work on that. He made some really good reads, and even when he scrambeld he kept his head up field. I was really impressed with his presents in the pocket. He escaped a Casey Hampton that came up the middle unblocked. And eventhough he didn't complete the pass, the read was right. He had single coverage on the outside. He found Moss a few times. And took what the D gave him. He may have thrown an int for six, but he redeemed himself with a drive for a FG and TD. This is a very good D. Palumalou is a really good SS, that can read the QB quickly. Rams was not locking on his recievers. You could actually see him check down. Againt one of the best D's in the league he got rid of the ball, and made some good reads. The turnovers, and short passes must stop. But he has made strides, and showed up tonight. And my nobody is talking about how long Rams holds the ball when the o-line looks like the Great wall of China. 0 sacks tonight folks. Holla

Correction. Not one of the best defenses in the league. This was the BEST defense in the league last year.

[BillyKilmer]

as predicted he has improved each pre-season game


he'll be fine
He couldn't have gotten much worse

[PREDICTOR]

Ramsey struggles with the blitz. No doubt about it. He can't handle it. He has a very very difficult time with it. It makes him panic. No doubt about it. But here's the thing: I don't understand why they don't work on it in practice. They have an excellent blitzing defense...why not practice against the blitz in practice? Patrick obviously has never seen that blitz before because he just panicked. Greg Williams needs to look at some of Pittsubrg's blitz packages and throw some of these at Patrick during practice.....and I mean over and over and over until they figure what the RIGHT thing to do on these blitzes is going to be.

The same with these receivers. If they cannot recognize a blitz when it comes, then receivers like Thrash do NOT need to be on the field. And it really is that simple.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

He couldn't have gotten much worse


Yeah, he could have been like Favre or Pennington tonight.

[PREDICTOR]

Yeah, he could have been like Favre or Pennington tonight.

Thats funny, I was thinking the same thing when I saw Pennington's numbers.

[Monkart]

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/08/26/PH2005082602043.jpg

enough said

That was a sweeeet catch!!!!! :applause:

[APBT]

A Good O-line could make any QB look great.

[DieselPwr44]

A Good O-line could make any QB look great.

It's called the team-concept in football. No one looks good if the rest of the team sucks. :obvious:

[Potato Sack]

He did have two TD passes. :)

Seriously though I was pleased with his effort tonight. Yeah, a trademark bonehead throw/decision but he did more than enough to compensate for it.

Anyone else notice that some of his deep balls are underthrown? For having such a great arm supposedly, he does underthrow deep balls. Hopefully he won't be afraid to overthrow later on this season. Everyone knows he has the arm to get it over the defender and hit a receiver on the run down the field.

Also, the TD pass, he had Sellers in the flat, wide open. Did he see him or just automatically look for Cooley? I understand that he likes Cooley, but the easier pass was right there in front of him. Still, he put it where only Cooley could get it, a good throw.

I've been pretty critical of Ramsey but like I said, I was pleased with his effort. Hopefully he can build upon this and make even more progress against the Ravens next week and not be the one step forward one step backwards qb we've been used to seeing.

Yes, I saw that too. I'm glad he made a fantastic throw to Cooley, but it was still into coverage; Whereas, Sellers was WIIIIIDE open in the flat for an easy throw and an easier TD. That's the thing that's really getting me shakey about PR. Sometimes he wants to make a more difficult throw than he needs to. That's why I was hopeful when he made more checkdowns tonight. It shows you that he IS watching tape and working on his performance. It showed tonight.

[Die Hard]

As I said before, Ramsey deserves 2 full years in the offence. He should get next year as well... before we make any conclusions.

[Tommy-the-Greek]

I agree with most of what you say but the int was definently not the right read. He should've taken the sack.

I was at the game and could see the entire field. I believe Ramsey made the right read. He saw the blitz and threw to the vacated spot. The WR seeing the blitz coming from the zone he was going into should have either stopped and turned around looking for the ball or ran back to Ramsey. The Wr simply continued on his route as if there was no blitz. If he turns back to Ramsey knowing he is the hot read not only would they have defeated the blitz he could have made a huge RAC.

[Tommy-the-Greek]

On another note, I am still wondering how many points we could have scored if Ramsey played the entire game. Ramsey seems to get more comfortable as the game progresses.

I also keep dwelling on how our "D" shut down the Steelers. If you take away 2 big plays, 1 rush and 1 pass there "O" output was pathetic. This "D" will be a top 5 defense this season. Our "D" will keep us in almost every game this season. We are not going to have to score 30 points to win games, but I think this team can and will average close to 30 every game.

[riggins44]

Ramsey will be fine. With the running game hitting on all 8, this will give Ramsey
time and confidence. In the first two games we ran very little, but showed more
of our true offense.

[Bangee7]

I didn't get the game (too close to Filthy-delphia).....

what was the deal with the underthrow to Moss?
pressure? slip?

[SKINS@THEGOALLINE]

I think Patrick will do just fine if he learns to eat the ball on occassion
and suffer a loss rather than try and force the issue as he did last night.

[TheLongshot]

what was the deal with the underthrow to Moss?

It looks like he's delibratly trying to take some off to put some "touch" into his passes, and he's taking too much off. Hopefully, he'll figure it out.

Jason

[Art]

Ramsey played acceptably well, but, it's an open question as to whether he played well enough. When you have the kind of protection he had and receivers open as he had the situation is perfectly aligned for an even better performance. If Ramsey throws accurately and deep to Moss and Patten in this game, he's 14 of 19 for 280 yards and three touchdowns and we're feeling pretty damn frisky right about now.

It's why Eagles fans can be frisky.

They have turned their offense into a deep passing attack and they are dangerous. McNabb has nice loft on the ball and the receivers run under it. Here's the difference. He throws a 64-yard TD to Owens against a cover-2 defense and the ball travels about 50 or so yards in the air, yet, it arrives a hair ahead of the receiver and he runs into the end zone.

Ramsey throws a ball the same distance and it's behind the receiver.

McNabb makes quicker decisions than Ramsey. In the end, this may be what Ramsey MOST lacks.

The TD to Cooley was fine. It was thrown well enough and we scored, but, there's NO excuse for NOT putting that ball to Sellars after about a second. He walks into the end zone with it. On Cooley's other pass, he was late to and Cooley got a yard instead of 10. He was late on completions to Thrash, Patten and the long gainer to Moss as well. Some of this will be timing that he has to develop, but, he's consistently been a HAIR slow generally and he's ALWAYS been WAY slow around the goal line.

Time will tell if he can process things more quickly.

He's got the pieces to be very good.

He just has to be that.

[Neophyte]

I agree, Art. However, I would ask one question. How long as McNabb been the full time starter there with the same coaching staff?

[SamSneed36]

He did look a bit more solid, a bit more in control lastnight. He still has a few things to work on as outlined in the opening post, but the squad around him just looks so solid right now. Things are really comming along and when Ramsey gets better at throwing that long ball look out.

Anyone notice that sportscenter totally snubbed the skins? The highlights for the game consist of a slo-mo replay of Bettis straining his calf on the playaction pass. Thats it. A-holes

[Clinton Portis]

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/08/26/PH2005082602043.jpg

enough said


Look at the defender, he's like

"WTF, he caught that?"

[kharms01]

I agree, Art. However, I would ask one question. How long as McNabb been the full time starter there with the same coaching staff?
Great point! Also how long has McNabb been throwing to TO?

[Potato Sack]

It looks like he's delibratly trying to take some off to put some "touch" into his passes, and he's taking too much off. Hopefully, he'll figure it out.

Jason


Well...in the last 2 games he was overthrowing his receivers. I think he's been working on putting touch on the ball to be more accurate; However, I don't think those overthrows were as much his fault as the receiver not finishing the route. Last night, all he had to do was aim for the corner of the endzone and it would have been 6 points, easy; Moss is THAT fast.

[Potato Sack]

Great point! Also how long has McNabb been throwing to TO?


How many underthrows and balls in the ground have you seen McNabb throw? I can guarantee they are about equivalent to Ramsey's if you want to be completely honest.

[Phat Hog]

I agree with you Art. For me, it's all about decision making that leaves me a bit uneasy about PR. I see all the stats being thrown out, but there is no true measurement for his ability to make good decisions. That's what separates him from a McNabb, Pennington, Farve, etc.

We are all dependant upon PR to do well this year, so in that I am hopeful that he'll get better in that aspect quickly. If not, it's actually a good thing that Brunell is having a good preseason. A lot of folks want to call it a controversy...I call it the best QB situation we could possibly be in.

[Warhead36]

Ramsey has been progressing. I think he'll be okay. :)

[Art]

I agree, Art. However, I would ask one question. How long as McNabb been the full time starter there with the same coaching staff?

It's certainly a reasonable question. McNabb has the look of a QB who KNOWS where each of his receivers will be at all times. Ramsey does not always have the same look. That comes with time and comfort in a system which Ramsey should only now start showing signs of developing. It also can't be understated that with the speed Ramsey has at receiver now, he either has to release the ball earlier on some of those passes or throw them further :).

That will come with time too.

I'm NOT panning Ramsey at all. I just think it's not that hard to see the difference between average or a bit above average and very good or great with him. Part of me just wishes what I'm seeing wasn't pretty much the exact same things I've been seeing for years.

[JerseyGator]

Comparing his performance to Big Ben is reaching since Ben's two top RBs were out and his best receiver is rather old. I think the rookie WR Fred Gibson will do well for them this year if he plays hard.

Ramsey had good numbers but so do a lot of other bad QBs in the preseason.

[New]

The beauty of it is, it appears we have healthy, capable, veteran that is mentoring Ramsey as the backup and appears to have refound himself. I like our situation. On top of the fact that this team is going to be led by the offensive line, and Patrick and Clinton will reap the benifits without the pressure of doing it all themselves. No playoff predictions yet, but 6-10 WE ARE NOT!!! HTTR!

:dallasuck

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Comparing his performance to Big Ben is reaching since Ben's two top RBs were out and his best receiver is rather old. I think the rookie WR Fred Gibson will do well for them this year if he plays hard.

Ramsey had good numbers but so do a lot of other bad QBs in the preseason.

LOL wait, so a guy goes 15-1, has a decent backup in Willie Parker (who ran mad yards on one play) and he gets your free pass for looking lost at times, but then Ramsey's numbers are dismissed because other bad QBs get good ratings in preseason?

Pathetic.

[Neophyte]

I'm NOT panning Ramsey at all. I just think it's not that hard to see the difference between average or a bit above average and very good or great with him. Part of me just wishes what I'm seeing wasn't pretty much the exact same things I've been seeing for years.

Agreed. Whole heartedly. For the record, I did not think you were panning him. I just thought to add the point about McNabb's stable experience in the NFL vs Ramsey's unstable one as a bit of a footnote. Frankly, I think Ramsey is doing better in Gibbs system at this point in the process than McNabb was in Reid's system at the same point. Gives me great hope that we will have an even better situation with Ramsey in a few years time than Philly does right now with McNabb. :D

[TD_washingtonredskins]

LOL wait, so a guy goes 15-1, has a decent backup in Willie Parker (who ran mad yards on one play) and he gets your free pass for looking lost at times, but then Ramsey's numbers are dismissed because other bad QBs get good ratings in preseason?

Pathetic.

The reason I don't think it's fair to compare what Ramsey did to what Ben did is because I think we have a better situation than Pittsburgh. I would be very concerned if I were the Steelers right now. Sure they played a good defense, but they looked PUTRID. Parker gives you more than Bettis, so that's not a valid excuse.

I guess the point of my post is to rant about the media darling that is Big Ben. He proved nothing to me last year (other than he can minimize turnovers and hand off well). He had very little to do with their 15-1 record.

Ghost, this isn't a post directed at you, I just quoted you since you were on the topic.

I feel as if Ramsey is a better QB and I expect him to outperform Ben. Last night, our guy outclassed their guy by leaps and bounds. One mistake when he was about to be sacked...not bad at all!

[TD_washingtonredskins]

The beauty of it is, it appears we have healthy, capable, veteran that is mentoring Ramsey as the backup and appears to have refound himself. I like our situation. On top of the fact that this team is going to be led by the offensive line, and Patrick and Clinton will reap the benifits without the pressure of doing it all themselves. No playoff predictions yet, but 6-10 WE ARE NOT!!! HTTR!

:dallasuck


Agreed!

I feel comfortable when either guy is in there. And, unfortunately, most NFL teams need two QBs over the course of a season.

[LWC]

Great to see the ball move up and down the field against a top notch d.

[gimpy007]

Both PR and Brunell looked good. Sure PR he had a few missed opportunities down field. However that will come in time. The most important thing is that he continues to make better decisions then he has in the past. He looked a lot better last night then he did previously. The O' Line made a big difference. We now have a deep passing game to go with our running game. Watch out HATERS! PR will have a good year the Skins might make the playoffs in 05 as a WC and in time he and the skins will be feared again like they were in the 80's and early 90's

[ThornWithin]

12/19 is mediocre, the INT was just awful, and I didn't get to see the touchdown. The yardage is pretty nice though, something like 7 or 8 yards per attempt?

Until he has a game where he completes 75 percent of his balls and has a positive TD/INT ratio, he really hasn't showed anything. There is nothing spectacular about those numbers.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

12/19 is mediocre, the INT was just awful, and I didn't get to see the touchdown. The yardage is pretty nice though, something like 7 or 8 yards per attempt?

Until he has a game where he completes 75 percent of his balls and has a positive TD/INT ratio, he really hasn't showed anything. There is nothing spectacular about those numbers.

Nothing spectacular, no. But the Skins don't need spectacular.

BTW, good luck looking for 75% completion percentages around the NFL...

[Clinton Portis]

12/19 is mediocre, the INT was just awful, and I didn't get to see the touchdown. The yardage is pretty nice though, something like 7 or 8 yards per attempt?

Until he has a game where he completes 75 percent of his balls and has a positive TD/INT ratio, he really hasn't showed anything. There is nothing spectacular about those numbers.
Hate? :doh:

[medicio]

I managed to watch the whole game over here last night, i didn't see the first 2 pre season games only the stats and posts on this site.
With regard to PR underthrowing is it a case of him not realising how fast Moss and Patten are? or is it more him trying to get it there with more touch i mean trying to be too accurate.
Brunell did look comfortable when he came in and should have had 100% completions but he never went long most were short stuff screens etc Does anyone think he could get us back in to a game if we are 14 points down?

[skinsmania123]

The only one I respect is Terry Bradshaw. I would say the guy knows his stuff given he was one of the best. I thought it showed great humility when he spoke about his own struggles at QB before he had the support around him. It does take a team to win. Just having Clinton Portis out there helped Ramsey IMO. Betts helped a great deal as well. Our RB's are going to move this Offense this year and create the opportunities to go down field without pressing by Ramsey.

JB has never been a Ramsey fan nor a Skins fan. What do you expect from an ex-Cowpuke coach?

[[[ghost]]]

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/08/26/PH2005082602043.jpg

enough said
i must say... we have THE nicest socks EVER.

[Vladimir L]

Ramsy is impressing me more and more

[Streater101]

12/19 is mediocre, the INT was just awful, and I didn't get to see the touchdown. The yardage is pretty nice though, something like 7 or 8 yards per attempt?

Until he has a game where he completes 75 percent of his balls and has a positive TD/INT ratio, he really hasn't showed anything. There is nothing spectacular about those numbers.

His numbers were neither awful or spectacular. A 75% completion rate is a pretty lofty accomplishment, and not one that is judged as a standard. Thats like saying that DeWayne Wade won't impress me till he scores 50.

[goldenster95]

Until he has a game where he completes 75 percent of his balls and has a positive TD/INT ratio, he really hasn't showed anything. There is nothing spectacular about those numbers.

His numbers were neither awful or spectacular. A 75% completion rate is a pretty lofty accomplishment, and not one that is judged as a standard. Thats like saying that DeWayne Wade won't impress me till he scores 50.

Ummm, those numbers are pretty damn good against the best defense in the NFL last year. And you've got to be kidding about taking issue with 12/19. First off, that's more than a 60% completion percentage. And that's with a healthy dose of downfield shots.

Give me a break.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Until he has a game where he completes 75 percent of his balls and has a positive TD/INT ratio, he really hasn't showed anything. There is nothing spectacular about those numbers.

His numbers were neither awful or spectacular. A 75% completion rate is a pretty lofty accomplishment, and not one that is judged as a standard. Thats like saying that DeWayne Wade won't impress me till he scores 50.


I'm not a Ramsey fan but thats just a moronic statement.

[goldenster95]

I'm not a Ramsey fan but thats just a moronic statement.

Yeah!

[Spaceman Spiff]

Yeah!


Well it's true. I know we got into it the other night but I'm not the Ramsey basher you think I am. When I say I'm not a fan I mean I don't think he's as good as a lot of people want to believe / think he is.

But 75% completion percentage is rediculous. That doesn't happen much in a season.

[rdskn4eva]

I think the most hilarious things is they kept talking and analyze Patrick on Fox's pre-game, halftime and post-game.... while Big Ben is going for 5/16, and looks bad for third game in a row. Obviously, only the Redskins have a bad starting QB in the pre-season. :doh:


LOL!! I never thought about that but you are right!!

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[autographcollector]

The only one I respect is Terry Bradshaw. I would say the guy knows his stuff given he was one of the best. I thought it showed great humility when he spoke about his own struggles at QB before he had the support around him. It does take a team to win. Just having Clinton Portis out there helped Ramsey IMO. Betts helped a great deal as well. Our RB's are going to move this Offense this year and create the opportunities to go down field without pressing by Ramsey.

JB has never been a Ramsey fan nor a Skins fan. What do you expect from an ex-Cowpuke coach?

Bradshaw????

:puke:

[Califan007]

Until he has a game where he completes 75 percent of his balls and has a positive TD/INT ratio, he really hasn't showed anything. There is nothing spectacular about those numbers.

:laugh: :laugh:

Um, allow me...

Against the Giants in the second game:

19/22
86% completion rate
3 TDs
0 INTs


Do you even follow this team??...

I expect you to start a thread saying that Ramsey has indeed "shown you something", sir...lol ;)

Whoops...just realized you're a Cowboys fan...that explains a lot...lol

[boobiemiles]

12/19 is mediocre, the INT was just awful, and I didn't get to see the touchdown. The yardage is pretty nice though, something like 7 or 8 yards per attempt?

Until he has a game where he completes 75 percent of his balls and has a positive TD/INT ratio, he really hasn't showed anything. There is nothing spectacular about those numbers.
Child this is not Tecmo Bowl. How many QB's complete 75% of their passes?