""We felt like we had some other players that fit the role.." - Gibbs

[AlexRS]

"We felt like we had some other players that fit the role and do a lot of things for us."

Joe Gibbs on the release of McCants. He is talking about Cooley, isn't he? :laugh:

[dfbovey]

Probably. Because I haven't seen enough good things from Dyson to lead me to think he'd fill McCant's role.

[panel]

I thought he was talking about Dyson

[G-Prime]

Probably. Because I haven't seen enough good things from Dyson to lead me to think he'd fill McCant's role.

I'd like to see Brown step up and challenge for the spot, but he didn't have a good game against Pitt.

[TheDane]

I'm pretty sure he's talking about Cooley and Royal being true threats in the red zone, which was unfortunately D-Mac's game. Plus, Cooley has proven to be quite the possession receiver, which also would have been D-Mac's game as the big man.

[GURU]

Fill what role?????

Big receiver????

Where was New England's big "possession" receiver? They used their tight ends in the red zone, as did Gibbs--more often than not--his first time around.

Flat out, Gibbs is looking for receivers who work and study hard, put the team first, and run good, consistant routes. I think THAT'S the role he was talking about.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

Remember Dyson also is a great special teams player. So he fills the role of being a good size WR in a 3 or 4 WR package as well as a veteran special teams player. Sounds like that is the guy that fills McCants's role.

[Califan007]

I think he meant the role of practice slacker and part-time artist...

[AlexRS]

Fill what role?????

Big receiver????

Where was New England's big "possession" receiver? They used their tight ends in the red zone, as did Gibbs--more often than not--his first time around.

Flat out, Gibbs is looking for receivers who work and study hard, put the team first, and run good, consistant routes. I think THAT'S the role he was talking about.

GURU, you're describing the reason McCants got released - not his role. It's true, McCants does not come off as Gibbs' kind of player. However, with that quote I think Gibbs was referring to McCants' role in the offense, not his role on the team. He would not say anything negative about a released player... If he were to do that, the quote would probably be: "McCants does not put the team first, plus we now have Cooley to pass the ball to in traffic," or something like that. I really think he is referring to Cooley essentially being the big receiver for us this season.

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Taylor Jacobs?

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

Well if we're talking about a redzone threat, then it must be Cooley and Royal. Remember Royal came on strong around the end of last season. With Spurrier we didn't have a good TE, or 2 for that matter, that could get open in the redzone. We do now. Unfortunately, McCants' poor work ethic and bad attitude made him expendable now that he's not the only guy we have that will be a big target in the redzone.

[TheDane]

Taylor Jacobs?

Could be, although I'd be surprised to get that comment from Gibbs given that Jacobs hasn't played much this preseason.

Plus, I'm not sure Jacobs fits the traditional mold of possession receiver, even though at 6'0" he towers over the rest of our dwarves.

Anyway, who knows. I'm completely hypothesizing. Gibbs could be talking about Nic Clemons, who is apparently quite the painter and singer, taking over D-Mac's artsy fartsy role on the team. :whoknows:


...so I made that bit up about Clemons.

[illone]

Saw this coming for awhile. McCants likes his music more than football. I wonder if he'll miss it and wish he would have worked harder now that he's gone?!

[mookie0720]

Taylor Jacobs?

No.

And we've seen nothing from Taylor Jacobs to even think that. Hell, he's shown us LESS than DMAC.

[bulldog]

'fill McCants' role' ????? :laugh:

geez, 5 catches for 71 yards..........that's going to be REAL hard to replace :D

[kappaluvacee]

An interesting thing about all the DMAC chatter is the fact that everyone is hangin’ on Gibbs' every word about DMAC. I'm not in the meeting rooms with the WR coaches so I can't rightfully say what he does there, but I will say Joe is human like everyone else. In assessing this situation far too many people are neglecting the fact that Joe makes mistakes too, and he could be wrong about DMAC. I am sorry thing didn't work out for DMAC on his favorite team w/ his childhood hero of a coach, but I know this isn't it for his career. I consider myself a Joe Gibbs fan, but I am no longer 10 years old and maintaining a image of him that is non-taintable. I think Joe has done more for this team than the W/L column reflects, but I know Joe has made grave errors with this team too. Have we forgotten who paid Mark Brunell all that cash and stuck with him when he offered the team nothing, only to tell us this year that Mark was injured, yet he thought he was better than our current starter even with the injury. I haven't forgotten the numerous delay of game penalties, or the woeful offense that ranked 28th in the league. I, like most of you, hope for the 'Skins sake that Coach Gibbs has made huge leaps to shorten the gap between the Skins and the league’s elite, but I also realize the team is being coached by a human that is not perfect. Knowing DMAC from our days matriculating at DSU, I know that some of the comments that have been made about him are not consistent with what I know to be fact. I accept the difference in Coach Gibbs’ evaluation of DMAC and my personal evaluation of DMAC's study and work ethic as a "difference in opinion." The evaluation that coach has of DMAC, he is entitled to, but I think most fans don't have enough information to challenge what they are hearing from the club. I see a lot of that in the numerous DMAc threads that contain the "slacker / artist / idiot / non-practice players" comments. I read and watch almost every interview that makes it to the media regarding the Skins and especially the DMAC ones. I never heard Coach Gibbs say DMAC's head isn't into the game or that he is a slacker. I heard coach say "I like players that practice like they are playing the game," 'Darnerian was caught in a numbers game," and "It's hard to get Darnerian on the field because he doesn't play teams." Yesterday I heard coach say "He didn't take the amount of notes in meetings that I prefer." These are the things he is on record stating and justify his decision to go another direction, these things are not necessarily an indictment of DMAC, as they are Coaches views and I'm sure another team will challenge that assessment and give him the opportunity he didn't receive here. With that said, all I want to say to DMAC is: "Good Luck! It was great having my favorite team having a person I know personally on the team, but all good things come to an end and I hope you get the opportunity to showcase your talent somewhere. I hope you don't do it against us twice a year, but if you should I can understand because it wasn't you that made the decision that you have no value to this team. If you should go on to excel you will be the most recent addition to the growing list of 'Skins castoff's that shine in other places...Keep throwin' that 'D' in the endzone and rep DSU Bruh"

[Leonard Washington]

Probably. Because I haven't seen enough good things from Dyson to lead me to think he'd fill McCant's role.

unless that role is sitting on the bench. :laugh:

[ATLANTASKINSFAN]

Probably. Because I haven't seen enough good things from Dyson to lead me to think he'd fill McCant's role.

Filling what role? Sitting on the bench. Yeah I doubt we'll have to hard a time filling that role

:helmet:

[Leonard Washington]

An interesting thing about all the DMAC chatter is the fact that everyone is hangin’ on Gibbs' every word about DMAC. I'm not in the meeting rooms with the WR coaches so I can't rightfully say what he does there, but I will say Joe is human like everyone else. In assessing this situation far too many people are neglecting the fact that Joe makes mistakes too, and he could be wrong about DMAC. I am sorry thing didn't work out for DMAC on his favorite team w/ his childhood hero of a coach, but I know this isn't it for his career. I consider myself a Joe Gibbs fan, but I am no longer 10 years old and maintaining a image of him that is non-taintable. I think Joe has done more for this team than the W/L column reflects, but I know Joe has made grave errors with this team too. Have we forgotten who paid Mark Brunell all that cash and stuck with him when he offered the team nothing, only to tell us this year that Mark was injured, yet he thought he was better than our current starter even with the injury. I haven't forgotten the numerous delay of game penalties, or the woeful offense that ranked 28th in the league. I, like most of you, hope for the 'Skins sake that Coach Gibbs has made huge leaps to shorten the gap between the Skins and the league’s elite, but I also realize the team is being coached by a human that is not perfect. Knowing DMAC from our days matriculating at DSU, I know that some of the comments that have been made about him are not consistent with what I know to be fact. I accept the difference in Coach Gibbs’ evaluation of DMAC and my personal evaluation of DMAC's study and work ethic as a "difference in opinion." The evaluation that coach has of DMAC, he is entitled to, but I think most fans don't have enough information to challenge what they are hearing from the club. I see a lot of that in the numerous DMAc threads that contain the "slacker / artist / idiot / non-practice players" comments. I read and watch almost every interview that makes it to the media regarding the Skins and especially the DMAC ones. I never heard Coach Gibbs say DMAC's head isn't into the game or that he is a slacker. I heard coach say "I like players that practice like they are playing the game," 'Darnerian was caught in a numbers game," and "It's hard to get Darnerian on the field because he doesn't play teams." Yesterday I heard coach say "He didn't take the amount of notes in meetings that I prefer." These are the things he is on record stating and justify his decision to go another direction, these things are not necessarily an indictment of DMAC, as they are Coaches views and I'm sure another team will challenge that assessment and give him the opportunity he didn't receive here. With that said, all I want to say to DMAC is: "Good Luck! It was great having my favorite team having a person I know personally on the team, but all good things come to an end and I hope you get the opportunity to showcase your talent somewhere. I hope you don't do it against us twice a year, but if you should I can understand because it wasn't you that made the decision that you have no value to this team. If you should go on to excel you will be the most recent addition to the growing list of 'Skins castoff's that shine in other places...Keep throwin' that 'D' in the endzone and rep DSU Bruh"

i like this post. my take is that mccants just wasn't a good practice player. for whatever reason he can't get motivated enough to perform like he does in a real game. gibbs however is an oldschool coach who values practice just as much or more than game action b/c practice determines who plays in the game situations. gibbs wants to establish that there's a certain level of effort and professionalism he wants his players to exhibit at all times and he just can't have guys who doesn't meet his metric.

i'm sure will mccants will catch on somewhere. i would love to see him become a probowl level player.

also i don't think mccants said, "i refuse to play special teams". i think he has tried, but he just isn't good at it. :2cents:

[bulldog]

I am really surprised by the strength of support for a player who has produced very little on the field in four years.

Some folks seem more upset by the release of McCants than the departure of Smoot and Pierce, two players that played and started 16 games for us in 2004.

McCants didn't do anything in 2004 except ride the bench. Oops, he didn't even make it that far, being listed as inactive for 10 weeks.

Note that Gibbs statement read that it was difficult for a player to make the roster and not play special teams 'unless the player in question is a legitimate starter' in his own right.

That statement says a lot.

McCants wasn't viewed by the staff as a regular contributor. He wasn't in the running for any of the top 3 spots at WR.

So, when we are talking about who the #4 or #5 receivers on this team are going to be, I don't understand the passion in re McCants.

Dyson is certainly not a danger to come in and post a 1,000 yard receiving season for us at this stage of his career. At least from what we have seen so far.

Antonio Brown is on the team primarily as the punt and kick returner, however, he has gotten a lot more time at WR as the preseason has gone on due to better hands and route running than he had been expected to have coming from Buffalo.

But no one I think expects Brown to be a major factor at WR in 2005.

Again, McCants was lower on the totem pole than Brown. Lower than Dyson.

And yet all the tears for his release?

Are you going to cry if Brown and Dyson don't make a statement on the field in 2005?

Or are you going to admit the truth, which is these guys are backups' backups :)

and if you do realize this, I think the rhetoric should and will die down in regards to McCants :)

[One_Mic]

I dunno, maybe, Cooley is definately the best big target they have now.



But anyway, Im gonna go on record now, and retract every single negative comment that I have made about Gibbs. Im sorry, I just thought that it was all Gibbs that was the bad guy.



However, after lookin back at the last several years since danny has been here, and when they first got McCants in 2001. If you remember back, You'll remember that Danny never wanted a big receiver, he loves the little super speed guys. In fact in the 2001 draft he didnt even want Rod Gardner, he wanted Santana Moss. Which is prolly why we were able to get rid of Rod so easily this year. Now, Danny finally has his guy.

On the other hand for McCants I think he was hopin the guy would just fail, but everytime he was given a real shot he shined. Then after Osaka and seeing how good he did, I think he didnt wanna risk havin this guy look good out there, and told Spurrier to limit his play. So it seemed weird that even after a good showin in preseason, Thompson got bumped up and McCants stayed in the back of the pack.

Then we watched Spurrier's Offense struggle for the better half of 2 years. Half way through that second season It seems that he was desperate for wins and tried anything to win, he even gave Hasselbeck plenty action, and his offense took off when they went Coles, Gardner, and McCants. And back during that time it looked as if Spurrier was just under ridiculous stress, and had to deal with Danny commin down on him. Then I think that it just got to the point where he couldnt take it any more, so he quit.

I know it doesnt seem that Danny isnt really involed as much as he used to be, but I think he still has a lot more control over whats going on with the team than we think. Why do you think Marty said that he would NEVER coach for him? The only reason he came, was for the big paycheck I bet.

But anyway, back when Gibbs got here he said that McCants was like another Art Monk. I know he says he didnt sign McCants to that big contract, but he was the one that wanted him, and he was also the general manager. Not to mention that Spurrier was long gone by then. So, who signed him? Gibbs did, before he found out that he wouldnt be able to use him.

Im thinkin that after he got that contract and knew he could get a FedEX sponsership, I think Danny started tellin him what to do. How could he really argue now, hes gettin all this money, and a nice sponsership for his Nascar team. Thats why danny pays his coaches so much, so he can have control over them.

With that said, no way he could let McCants get a chance to look good. Heck, they couldnt make him look bad by playin him, so the only way to be sure was to not let him get on the field. Poor Gibbs, he has to come up with all kinds of excusses for why he didnt play him. Like I said, Im sorry for talkin negative about Gibbs.

Oh, and today, when they asked McCants what he was being cut for, he said that it wasnt the on field stuff, It was things like "not taking enough notes in meetings." HUH? Not takin enough notes? Oh and for those of you that talk about him not workin hard, did you know that in between the mini camp and trainning camp, he hired a personal trainer so he could work on his speed and his starts and all the little details where he might have lacked.

Im sorry, but Im just not buyin it. I think Danny just never wanted him or Rod in the first place. However, he had to play Rod cuz he was a first rounder and he didnt exactly catch every ball thrown his way. McCants on the other hand looked good when he was given chances in real games. And he didnt play special teams because they didnt allow him to. The guy got his 19th TD of his senior year on a kick return, so dont tell me he doesnt play special teams. But I dont blame Gibbs, hes just coverin for danny.

Gibbs, even made an excuse about him havin slow starts. Uh ok......but um hes fast down the, he ran a 4.41 going into the draft, the guy is a fast big man with good hands. So, he goes in active while you let Rod drop every single thing that comes his way? noway, somethins up, and it smells like Danny.

Im sorry to say this, but I just dont feel comfortable with Danny in the driver's seat. Luckily, if anyone should be able to over come this guy, even with his given limitations, it is Gibbs. Oh and why do you think Moss is our number 1 guy, when he was about to be dropped down to number 3 on the Jets. Basically, Danny has his boy, and we can get rid of our big guys now. Well, big WRs atleast, thank god we still have Cooley.

One more thing, McCants had nothin negative to say about Gibbs in his interview, and he wished everyone the best of luck. I think in the end Gibbs hated the way he had to treat the guy.

Whew, sorry for the long post, but I just had to get all that out. It may all just be conpiracy theory, but I think a lot of it is true. And once again, I apologize for the negative Gibbs comments, and I wish him the best of luck in the rest of his years under Danny.

:dallasuck

[bulldog]

when it comes to OFFENSE I trust the judgment of Gibbs and Musgrave a lot more than that of Marty Schottenheimer. Marty wanted the taller, more physical receivers and that is why Gardner and McCants were drafted.

Unfortunately, the CHARACTER of both players came into question, for different reasons. But in both cases it retarded their development in the NFL.

Gardner had a so-so attitude. He never seemed to improve himself from season to season. He came in and showed the same kind of inconsistency and average hands in 2004 that he showed in 2001. It appeared as if Rod was stuck in place, a guy that could be productive in spurts but was never going to improve enough to justify his place as the #15 overall pick in the draft.

McCants was in many ways the opposite. He was quiet where Rod was more outspoken. He seemed to go about his business and not make any waves, but at the same time he never seemed to show any fire towards his own career in the NFL. He never showed the kind of competitiveness which drives players to achieve in a very competitive league.

In some ways Darnerian reminded me of Westbrook in that he was playing football because he was 6'4 and could jump and it was a way to make an excellent living, more than out of any pure love for the game.

That kind of player is not what coaches are looking for. They realize that to achieve with other players who are working continually to improve, we needed the super-workers and 110% effort guys on our team.

And that's why we went out and got David Patten. The guy is a blue collar type that came into the NFL as an undrafted rookie and make the Giants active roster defying the odds. He then went on to be a productive player on the best team in the NFL over the past 4-5 years.

Now compare that history to what we have seen here the past few years.

In regards to Moss, the team saw a player that when called upon to start 16 games in 2003, put up numbers that were every bit as good as what Laveranues Coles had produced before he received a $13 million bonus from the Redskins.

Last year Moss produced an 18.6 yards per catch average on a team that made the playoffs. He ran a kick back for a touchdown in the playoffs to help his team win.

That showed his versatility.

So, why would we not want to acquire this player for Coles, who wanted out and refused to address his toe injury beyond trying to rest it in the offseason? :)

[dfbovey]

Filling what role? Sitting on the bench. Yeah I doubt we'll have to hard a time filling that role

:helmet:

You say that as if WRs who sit on the bench don't see any playing time.

Filling the role of a redzone threat or big target is the role I imagine Gibbs was talking about.

[bulldog]

Cooley fills that role for the Redskins now. In addition we have the option of using our backs as receivers down close thanks to the influence of Musgrave. We didn't have those plays in the playbook before.

[rhigh44]

I am really surprised by the strength of support for a player who has produced very little on the field in four years.

I guess that can also apply to Ramsey?

[One_Mic]

An interesting thing about all the DMAC chatter is the fact that everyone is hangin’ on Gibbs' every word about DMAC. I'm not in the meeting rooms with the WR coaches so I can't rightfully say what he does there, but I will say Joe is human like everyone else. In assessing this situation far too many people are neglecting the fact that Joe makes mistakes too, and he could be wrong about DMAC. I am sorry thing didn't work out for DMAC on his favorite team w/ his childhood hero of a coach, but I know this isn't it for his career. I consider myself a Joe Gibbs fan, but I am no longer 10 years old and maintaining a image of him that is non-taintable. I think Joe has done more for this team than the W/L column reflects, but I know Joe has made grave errors with this team too. Have we forgotten who paid Mark Brunell all that cash and stuck with him when he offered the team nothing, only to tell us this year that Mark was injured, yet he thought he was better than our current starter even with the injury. I haven't forgotten the numerous delay of game penalties, or the woeful offense that ranked 28th in the league. I, like most of you, hope for the 'Skins sake that Coach Gibbs has made huge leaps to shorten the gap between the Skins and the league’s elite, but I also realize the team is being coached by a human that is not perfect. Knowing DMAC from our days matriculating at DSU, I know that some of the comments that have been made about him are not consistent with what I know to be fact. I accept the difference in Coach Gibbs’ evaluation of DMAC and my personal evaluation of DMAC's study and work ethic as a "difference in opinion." The evaluation that coach has of DMAC, he is entitled to, but I think most fans don't have enough information to challenge what they are hearing from the club. I see a lot of that in the numerous DMAc threads that contain the "slacker / artist / idiot / non-practice players" comments. I read and watch almost every interview that makes it to the media regarding the Skins and especially the DMAC ones. I never heard Coach Gibbs say DMAC's head isn't into the game or that he is a slacker. I heard coach say "I like players that practice like they are playing the game," 'Darnerian was caught in a numbers game," and "It's hard to get Darnerian on the field because he doesn't play teams." Yesterday I heard coach say "He didn't take the amount of notes in meetings that I prefer." These are the things he is on record stating and justify his decision to go another direction, these things are not necessarily an indictment of DMAC, as they are Coaches views and I'm sure another team will challenge that assessment and give him the opportunity he didn't receive here. With that said, all I want to say to DMAC is: "Good Luck! It was great having my favorite team having a person I know personally on the team, but all good things come to an end and I hope you get the opportunity to showcase your talent somewhere. I hope you don't do it against us twice a year, but if you should I can understand because it wasn't you that made the decision that you have no value to this team. If you should go on to excel you will be the most recent addition to the growing list of 'Skins castoff's that shine in other places...Keep throwin' that 'D' in the endzone and rep DSU Bruh"

Good post, I actually know McCants too, And he truly is a good hearted, hard workin guy. I mean come on, the guy's an artist, artists tend to put a lot of emotion into whatever they do. Unfortunately, pppl on the forums just exagerate what they hear and make posts about him being lazy and all that crap. I can tell you that his main problem tho, is hes never been just an absolute "go all out," "play practice like a game," kinda guy. Ive played football myself, and I can tell you its just really difficult to really get up for practice like you get up fot a game. For one, when you practice you dont really feel that competion of the other team, and you dont feel that the game is on the line. And when you get into a game, your body tends to produce a lot more adrenaline then it would in practice. Thats why you dont feel much pain during a game, but after the game you feel like hell. Oh, and if he does get picked up by the Eagles, I say good luck to our DBs. TO put up 150 yds in one half, Imagine if they actually had another good big receiver. We could've just set ourselves up for disaster.

[illone]

I guess that can also apply to Ramsey?


:laugh::laugh:

:applause:

[bulldog]

Ramsey at least has gotten on the field and gained some experience.

I wouldn't call 8 touchdowns, 6 interceptions and a 3-2 record at the end of 2004 'no' record :)

Also I seem to remember Ramsey starting off 2003 with games of 311 and 356 yards passing.

He does have some stats to at least go back and look at.

Whereas McCants' numbers are so small that a guy like Marvin Harrison catches in 5 or 6 games the number of receptions Darnerian has posted in his career :)

[One_Mic]

I guess that can also apply to Ramsey?


Ok, so Gibbs expects everyone to look good in practice.

Why does Ramsey start again?

I went to trainning camp and I would've taken Brunell, Campbell, before starting Ramsey.

[bulldog]

so by that logic, during the 1980's you would have started Babe Laufenberg at QB during the regular season and benched Doug Williams and Mark Rypien because Babe looked better in camp? :)

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No.

And we've seen nothing from Taylor Jacobs to even think that. Hell, he's shown us LESS than DMAC.


Really? You sure?

How many games was Taylor active for last season? http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395990

How many games was McCants active for last season?
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235116

Regardless of what we think... Seems to me Taylor has shown GIBBS more than McCants.

Also, last time I checked.. Taylor Jacobs is still a Redskin :p

[One_Mic]

Ramsey at least has gotten on the field and gained some experience.

I wouldn't call 8 touchdowns, 6 interceptions and a 3-2 record at the end of 2004 'no' record :)

Also I seem to remember Ramsey starting off 2003 with games of 311 and 356 yards passing.

He does have some stats to at least go back and look at.

Whereas McCants' numbers are so small that a guy like Marvin Harrison catches in 5 or 6 games the number of receptions Darnerian has posted in his career :)


Um, in 2003 McCants had 6 TDs off of just 26 catches, and in college he had 18 TDs on 36 receptions. All he knows how to do is get in the endzone. and in 2003 not only did he have 6 TDs, but he led the team in points cuz he also had 2 two-point conversions. Not to mention that he was able to out score both gardner and coles, as the third receiver, and he only played half of the season.

[One_Mic]

so by that logic, during the 1980's you would have started Babe Laufenberg at QB during the regular season and benched Doug Williams and Mark Rypien because Babe looked better in camp? :)

no, my point was that I wouldnt be startin Ramsey, if I thought practice ment so much. Im sayin that Joe Gibbs lets the ppl start that look best in pratice. So, Im sayin how does he explain Ramsey?

And like I said earlier, I think he is just makin up excuses for Danny who never liked McCants.

[Leonard Washington]

Really? You sure?

How many games was Taylor active for last season? http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395990

How many games was McCants active for last season?
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235116

Regardless of what we think... Seems to me Taylor has shown GIBBS more than McCants.

Also, last time I checked.. Taylor Jacobs is still a Redskin :p

how many TDs does jacobs have? :laugh: i think its all about practice performance.

[bulldog]

so, you think Gibbs is really a shill for Snyder who wanted McCants off the roster for personal reasons? :laugh: :laugh:

Seriously, where do you get your information or insights from? :)

We can go into a long discussion of how the development of quarterbacks takes longer than that of almost any other position on the team, etc.... but I think that would get us nowhere because that requires rational thought and a knowledge of where 3rd and 4th year qbs around the league are vs. 3rd and 4th year receivers.

Receivers usually develop faster than quarterbacks. By the fourth year you are really looking for a guy who is ready to step up and be counted.

With quarterbacks you often still have an incomplete picture. Has David Carr proven to be an elite qb as of yet? Joey Harrington? Byron Leftwich?

No. These guys are all in varying degrees still trying to prove themselves as NFL quarterbacks.

[Leonard Washington]

no, my point was that I wouldnt be startin Ramsey, if I thought practice ment so much. Im sayin that Joe Gibbs lets the ppl start that look best in pratice. So, Im sayin how does he explain Ramsey?

And like I said earlier, I think he is just makin up excuses for Danny who never liked McCants.

i think gibbs does only play guys who look good in practice, hence why brunell started so many games. i think ramsey is an experiment to see if he performs better in games than practice. i think gibbs saw evidence of that last year. in the long term, gibbs doesn't like bad practices better games, hence the book on brunell isn't over and campbell is the qb of the future.

[One_Mic]

how many TDs does jacobs have? :laugh: i think its all about practice performance.


Xactly

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how many TDs does jacobs have? :laugh: i think its all about practice performance.

Under Gibbs? None! .... and that's the same as McCants! :laugh:

I think you're right about practice, Taylor he been getting rave reviews from the coach and staff while McCants did not.

[barefoot]

Im thinkin that after he got that contract and knew he could get a FedEX sponsership, I think Danny started tellin him what to do. How could he really argue now, hes gettin all this money, and a nice sponsership for his Nascar team. Thats why danny pays his coaches so much, so he can have control over them.

With that said, no way he could let McCants get a chance to look good. Heck, they couldnt make him look bad by playin him, so the only way to be sure was to not let him get on the field. Poor Gibbs, he has to come up with all kinds of excusses for why he didnt play him. Like I said, Im sorry for talkin negative about Gibbs.

:dallasuck

:rolleyes: I'm sitting here with my mouth hanging open, and for the life of me, I don't know what to say.

[ntotoro]

One more thing, McCants had nothin negative to say about Gibbs in his interview, and he wished everyone the best of luck. I think in the end Gibbs hated the way he had to treat the guy.


You mean keeping him on for two years even though he didn't pay attention in class?

[tr1]

Last night on George Michael, Bugel said bluntly that McCants was let go for two reasons: too many mistakes and lack of production.

[timitim]

The only the thing about McCants that was nice is the fact with the exception of Gardner last year he was one of our big receivers. Unfortunatly that was the only thing that he had going for him. I was never impressed with this performanc last year and by the sounds of things he hasn't improved all that much.

Lets face it if he was a worker and had the ability to show us and the coaches that he could be productive he would still be on the roster.

[Stew]

Comparing Ramsey and McCants is like comparing apples and oranges. Two different positions, different demands and depth at each position. Too many factors to compare the average performance of either player to each other, the common bond is that they both have been average to sub-par for Gibbs. McCants was decent two or three years ago when given the oppritunity. Gibbs obviously felt McCants didnt make the most of the chances and oppritunities that were already on the table for him, (we had no starting WR's after Coles left and we tossed Gardner under the bus) So for him to not be able to land a spot on a team that didnt have any set starting WR's HAS to say something about either his work ethic in front of the coaches, or his willingness to be a team player, or his skills. Gibbs wouldnt cut the man if he was worth keeping. McCants squandered his chance with Gibbs, Ramsey is apparently trying to make the most of the chance that Gibbs is giving him, thats the difference. :2cents: :rant: :soapbox:

[One_Mic]

Well, I guess he just didnt fit with whatever Gibbs is tryin to accomplish. But dont bet on Jacobs, or Dyson. Jacobs has been given all the chances in the world (when hes been healthy) to look good, and being a practice superstar doesnt win games for you. I just think Jacobs is injury prone, and he is constantly worried about gettin hit than he is worried about makin the catch. Id love to see the guy perform but he just hasnt come through when its actually ment anything. And Dyson hasnt done anything in 2 years, nor do I expect to keep him. Hmm, I guess Gibbs felt that McCants would be better off in a different offense that would use his abilities more.

So right now, we're just gonna have to stick with Moss, Patton, Thrash, Cooley, and possibly Brown.

[Isifhan]

All he knows how to do is get in the endzone.


Well, I guess he should have learned something else then eh? :silly:

Seriously. The man needed to practice hard. That's what Gibbs is looking for, period. McCants couldn't do that and he was shown the door. Tough love but cest la vie. All the reports you hear coming out of camp is that "David Patten has a motor, he goes full speed on every play even in practice" same with Marcus Washington, same with James Thrash. The sooner people realize that's what Gibbs is looking for the sooner they will stop questioning when someone gets cut.

[bubba9497]

No.

And we've seen nothing from Taylor Jacobs to even think that. Hell, he's shown us LESS than DMAC.

Jacobs plays special teams and excels at them, and in limited play as well Jacobs had 3X the catches

McCants role would have been ST, occasional WR.... we have a couple guys who out preformed him in that capacity.

[CEJ2200]

Remember Dyson also is a great special teams player. So he fills the role of being a good size WR in a 3 or 4 WR package as well as a veteran special teams player. Sounds like that is the guy that fills McCants's role.


I don't think Dyson will serve us well. Dyson describes himself as an average special teams player (paraphrasing Washington Times).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Dyson go before final cuts next week. He hasn't exactly contributed that much.

[Fifty Gut]

:laugh: @ the conspiracy theories in this thread

instead of the "The Man", it's "The Danny"

[jimster]

:laugh: @ the conspiracy theories in this thread

instead of the "The Man", it's "The Danny"
:laugh:


I just think Jacobs is injury prone, and he is constantly worried about gettin hit than he is worried about makin the catch. Id love to see the guy perform but he just hasnt come through when its actually ment anything.
are you talking about McCants 'coming through' on that holding call costing us that Eagles game or Jacobs playing special teams and blocking punts?



On the other hand for McCants I think he was hopin the guy would just fail, but everytime he was given a real shot he shined. Then after Osaka and seeing how good he did, I think he didnt wanna risk havin this guy look good out there, and told Spurrier to limit his play. So it seemed weird that even after a good showin in preseason, Thompson got bumped up and McCants stayed in the back of the pack.



:laugh:


So, who signed him? Gibbs did, before he found out that he wouldnt be able to use him.

Im thinkin that after he got that contract and knew he could get a FedEX sponsership, I think Danny started tellin him what to do. How could he really argue now, hes gettin all this money, and a nice sponsership for his Nascar team. Thats why danny pays his coaches so much, so he can have control over them.

With that said, no way he could let McCants get a chance to look good. Heck, they couldnt make him look bad by playin him, so the only way to be sure was to not let him get on the field. Poor Gibbs, he has to come up with all kinds of excusses for why he didnt play him. Like I said, Im sorry for talkin negative about Gibbs.



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....then I saw this

I actually know McCants too, And he truly is a good hearted, hard workin guy. I mean come on, the guy's an artist, artists tend to put a lot of emotion into whatever they do.


This is great stuff :laugh:

I almost started to think this guy was serious, then I remembered the lift on the ban.