ESPN calling out Joe Theisman

[budski]

ESPN has been all over Joe for picking the skins this year although
Mortenson said hes got them as a sleeper. Joe is supposed to be
on the dan patrick show next.
I think Joe knows something most dont.

[HapHaszard]

I suspect Joe knows something but I am not sure what. Do you think he knows Joe Gibbs? hmmm I wonder. Personally I think Joe is a year early, but what do I know, I'm in Georgia. :(

[REEM10]

Yeah Dan Patrick just fried Joe T!!

[budski]

best rb clinton portis
best defense skins.
Patrick asking questions. Joes responses.

[More Complete]

Yeah? Like what? That Joe Gibbs is Hall of Fame coach and will win no matter what?

Lots of people know that. Unfortunately, none of them are in the media. :laugh:

[Jimbo]

Here's hoping he's the NFL's Nostradamus. :cheers:

[budski]

talking abut ne and philly, looking at someone elses turn to run.
likes they way they have positioned themselves, Brunell can come in.
Gibbs second year did it for Joe why not this year.

[REEM10]

Joe T Said Portis is the best RB in the NFC and we probably have the best D!

[budski]

If Ramsey cant get it done, then Brunell can. 6 teams that can compete in the nfc with philly

[budski]

Joes is trying to show them to think out of the box of the normal teams philly, ne, etc

[bulldog]

of all the people on the networks and ESPN, Theismann is the only one other than Ron Jaworski that really knows anything about how an NFL offense works. He thinks this year's team has the back, line and receivers to make Ramsey comfortable and ultimately successful................

I don't see how that position is that assailable given some of the teams that have recently made the Super Bowl. Tampa, Carolina, Baltimore, Giants (2000). None of these teams had dominant talent on the offensive side of the ball (with the exception of Jamal Lewis) and none had a franchise quarterback.

[scruffylookin]

Here's the one problem with all these other "experts" who scoff at Joey T's prediction. They seem to assume he's making this prediction based solely on the fact he's a former Redskin QB and played under Joe Gibbs.

They fail to acknowledge that Joe has spent alot of time out at Redskin Park. He's talked to the players, he's talked to the coaches. What if Joe Gibbs...a man he respects (who doesn't.....oh wait Steve Czaban) has told Joey T that this team is going to be really really good? What if the other coaches have also confided in Joey T that they agree?

Not saying this is the case, just saying that Theismann has been out there and knows the inner workings of this team.

This of course is in stark contrast to John Riggins, who folks in the media seem to call upon to talk about the Redskins and yet he's never stepped foot inside Redskin Park. So Riggins trashes the Redskins and he's "objective" and Joey T is being a "homer"?

To quote Cyndi Lauper....."The mind boggles sometimes".

[chomerics]

ESPN has been all over Joe for picking the skins this year although
Mortenson said hes got them as a sleeper. Joe is supposed to be
on the dan patrick show next.
I think Joe knows something most dont.

I little bit of information for you guys, in 2001, he picked the Pats over the Rams in the SB. The only two pundits to pick the Pats were Joe and Wanda Sykes on HBO's inside the NFL. Theismann got laughed at then as well, but of course you read all the papers after the game and the writers were saying they thought the Pats would win :doh:

This is good karma :)

[clubisyohankovic]

To quote Cyndi Lauper....."The mind boggles sometimes".

Quite probably the first time Cyndi Lauper has been quoted on this website! :laugh:

[scruffylookin]

Quite probably the first time Cyndi Lauper has been quoted on this website! :laugh:

Hey man....I'm an originator!!!!!!! :laugh:

[RabidFan]

Feel free to quote Cyndi Time after Time :)

[bulldog]

Joe also picked the Ravens in 2000 :)

[arkowi]

Lets see...who's opinion will you take?

Joey T's who has been at every pre-season game except for the first one, at Redskins Park, at pracitices etc, and is a superbowl champion QB, and a Redskins Homer?

OR...

Fat Len P's opinion who what? watched the pre-pre-season scrimage and probably the highlights of the pre-season games channel surfing during commerical breaks on the food network? oh, and is a Steelers Homer?

[frankbones]

Feel free to quote Cyndi Time after Time :)

I mean, the girl just wanted to have some fun.

[BigDaddyShoo]

Here's hoping he's the NFL's Nostradamus. :cheers:
Joestradamus, please go forth and further spread your wisdom!

[TheREALJBird]

well, theismann wouldn't just pick the skins for no reason, and I like the reasons he stated, we'll just wait and see how it pans out....and STOP with teh lauper puns lol

[bird_1972]

Joes is trying to show them to think out of the box of the normal teams philly, ne, etc
That is a losing battle.

[Henry]

I think Joe made a seriously huge homer pick.

However, it's not like he picks the Redskins to do this well every year. And he must know he's taking a BIG risk with his credibility, being a former Skin, to go out on a limb like that. So there must be some reason beyond the fact that he used to be a Redskin. He knows Gibbs better than most, and maybe he's seen something in this team that looks ... familiar. I don't know.

But it sure does look like a huge homer pick.

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

Lets see...who's opinion will you take?

Joey T's who has been at every pre-season game except for the first one, at Redskins Park, at pracitices etc, and is a superbowl champion QB, and a Redskins Homer?

OR...

Fat Len P's opinion who what? watched the pre-pre-season scrimage and probably the highlights of the pre-season games channel surfing during commerical breaks on the food network? oh, and is a Steelers Homer?
Come on guys, it's painfully obvious that Fatty P knows more about the Skins after watching thier scrimmage than Joey T could know from being around all preseason. :doh:

I would not be surprised if Theisman was fired for picking anyone other than the Iggles to go to the Super Bowl, seeing as how the ESPN "experts" basically every year just predict the previous year's standings and then move one team in each division a spot in either direction. And then every year they are just baffled over teams like San Diego who go beyond their expectations (last year's standings) even though there's a team or two like this every year. That's funny that a guy who tries to pick this year's breakout team gets torched by the rest of the ESPN crew. Or maybe it is simply because he said Redskins?

[TheLongshot]

I don't put that much weight on Joey T's pick, because he always has a tendency to pick the skins when no one else will. It is very much a homer pick (Just like it was last year.)

Jason

[Gallen5862]

I think Joey T knows what he is saying. He has watched the practices and the games. He trusts Coach Gibbs. Yesterday Darrell Green also thought we could make the playoffs.

[theartofmonk]

I pick the 'Skinz in the big dance until Gibbs reitres (again). I've done some extensive schematic modeling (i.e., Madden 06 Franchise Mode - All Madden Level) & I'm set to meet the Colts in the Super Bowl. I've always won with the 'Skinz, though, so nevermind.

I agree with Theismann on his assessment of this year's team. I feel it in my gut. This team has serious depth to the point where injuries won't derail them. Every other team in the NFC East DECLINED in talent during the off-season. I see the playoffs as more feasible & the Super Bowl as hopeful. Ahh... I'm just a big 'Skinz homer, I can't help myself.

[GURU]

Joey T. has never been one to temper his opinion, either. Keep in mind that he's been VERY critical of the Skins, for the most part, since Snyder took over the franchise. In fact, I recall some people on this very board criticizing Theismann for his "anti-Skins" slant.

I, too, like this karma.

[skinsaddict]

Here's the one problem with all these other "experts" who scoff at Joey T's prediction. They seem to assume he's making this prediction based solely on the fact he's a former Redskin QB and played under Joe Gibbs.

They fail to acknowledge that Joe has spent alot of time out at Redskin Park. He's talked to the players, he's talked to the coaches. What if Joe Gibbs...a man he respects (who doesn't.....oh wait Steve Czaban) has told Joey T that this team is going to be really really good? What if the other coaches have also confided in Joey T that they agree?

Not saying this is the case, just saying that Theismann has been out there and knows the inner workings of this team.

This of course is in stark contrast to John Riggins, who folks in the media seem to call upon to talk about the Redskins and yet he's never stepped foot inside Redskin Park. So Riggins trashes the Redskins and he's "objective" and Joey T is being a "homer"?

To quote Cyndi Lauper....."The mind boggles sometimes".

I listen to czaban every morning, and i fully believe he knows he fudged up by burning that redskins bridge. he hasnt come out and say it, but i havent heard a peep about gibbs since he got cut off.

sucks b/c i like czaban's show. its the only sports talk show on my way to work

[bird_1972]

Is the CEO of ESPN a Cowboy fan?
:dallasuck

[drkewl]

Look at last years games and scores.... and to think we were so close in so many games when our offense was HORRENDOUS... it was hard to find an offense more inept than ours.....

If we just have an AVERAGE offense this year (not very far fetched at all) We will be in the playoffs... its that simple.

Both Dallas and NY have questions on both sides of the ball... people are 'assuming' that they may be able to pull it together..

Our D is set to be top 10 again. If our offense can just score a bit more than last year, we will be gold.

[chuff813]

Hopefuly the last...

[clubisyohankovic]

Look at last years games and scores.... and to think we were so close in so many games when our offense was HORRENDOUS...

Fans of losing teams always talk about how many close games their team lost the previous year...

[G-Prime]

Quite probably the first time Cyndi Lauper has been quoted on this website! :laugh:

Hopefully the last time as well..

[CrossWalker]

I'd say that Joey T's Redskin prediction isn't any worse than Jaws calling Brady the most mobile QB in the NFL. Just happened on NFL Match-up, Hodge almost fell out of his seat before calling out McNabb's and Vick's names. Jaws then played the Lombardi trophy card to defend his claim.

Regardless, preseason NFL predictions hold even less water that the preseason AP poll does. It's a shot in the dark and Joey T went against the grain. The Skins have a great RB, a great Defense, a very good o-line and burners at WR. "IF" they error free play from the QB all the other ingredients are in place. That is a monumental "IF" though.

[Parlett316]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/preview01/s/010903predictions.html

Only Catherine Bell has ever picked the super bowl teams and the winner. Theisman was wrong like the rest of the media.

[bubba9497]

I don't put that much weight on Joey T's pick, because he always has a tendency to pick the skins when no one else will. It is very much a homer pick (Just like it was last year.)

Jason


wrong, at times Joe is the Skins harshest critic, he just doesn't get nasty like Lenny, and Peter Queen

[arenasisgod]

Theisman is a genius of the Martin Einstein caliber



















:D

[codeorama]

I think Joe made a seriously huge homer pick.

However, it's not like he picks the Redskins to do this well every year. And he must know he's taking a BIG risk with his credibility, being a former Skin, to go out on a limb like that. So there must be some reason beyond the fact that he used to be a Redskin. He knows Gibbs better than most, and maybe he's seen something in this team that looks ... familiar. I don't know.

But it sure does look like a huge homer pick.


I'd agree if he always did it, but as you pointed out, he doesn't.
The only thing I'd say contrary is that while he does see inside redskin park and all, he doesn't see inside the other teams as much if any, so while this Redskin team may be better than last years, he may not have a fair comparison based on the competition.
And yes, he does have a lot to risk by making the pick.

Hopefully he's right... :point2sky

[posse87]

My biggest beef with the ESPN crew bashing theisman is that Michael Irvin has been doing the same thing this preseason. Irvin sounds like a total idiot and he is all over Parcells and the Cowboys jock strap. Granted a lot of people are picking the cowboys to go to the playoffs, but Irvin is annoying about it.

When is the Dan Patrick show on and where did you all see D Green talk about the skins making the playoffs?

[drkewl]

Fans of losing teams always talk about how many close games their team lost the previous year...

bottom line is the NFL today is a league of parity with few exceptions. A slight improvement can have potentially large consequences in the W-L column. I'm not saying we're definitely playoff bound, but I am saying we're no less playoff bound than teams like the cowboys.

God forbid we have a top 15 offense... then we'd challenge the Eagles, but I think thats definitely wishful thinking right now until i see otherwise on the field

[Chachie]

My biggest beef with the ESPN crew bashing theisman is that Michael Irvin has been doing the same thing this preseason. Irvin sounds like a total idiot and he is all over Parcells and the Cowboys jock strap. Granted a lot of people are picking the cowboys to go to the playoffs, but Irvin is annoying about it.

When is the Dan Patrick show on and where did you all see D Green talk about the skins making the playoffs?


Right. Which tells me it's about the coaches. Irvin is excited about Parcells having the QB/RB to make something happen. Theisman is feeling the bliss of FULL access to the Redskins' world with his old coach presiding, not to mention that Gibbs ALSO has the QB/RB that could get it done. I'm speaking more for Brunell than Ramsey though. I know Patrick can improve greatly this year, but I think only Brunell's experience would get us deep into the playoffs.

Anyway, back to JoeyT. I think both he and Micheal Irvin are drinking SPIKED Kool-Aid. I just jope Theisman can hold his liquor. :)

[Butz65]

Unfortunately Joe tends to pick the Skins to win the division or Superbowl every year. Kind of hurts his credibility.

Hope he's right!

[bulldog]

didn't Irvin predict the Skins would be 10-6 last year and make the postseason? :)

what I think Irvin goes by is the caliber of the coaching staff and his belief in their ability to get the best out of their players. I really don't have a problem with him.

he is picking Parcells this year because he realizes that Jerry Jones finally loosened the reigns and let Parcells pick the veteran free agents and have a role in the draft choices.

we will see if it pays off or not.

[Jody]

I thought Joey T. actually picked Atlanta to beat the Skins in the NFC championship game. I could be wrong. I was watching the interview, and could've swore that's what he said.

[SamSneed36]

Latley Ive been thinking about how fast our offense. One thing Gibbs said early in his return to the skins was how fast defenses are now, with all the blitzing they do and whatnot.

Our Offense has one of the fastest running backs, Cooley is fast for a TE, most of our line is fast for linemen and very good at pulling, and our WRs are the fastest in the league. I think a lot of defenses will have a tough time just keeping up with long shots down field and a sweeping darting running game. Our offense could be very effective this year

[Jon T.]

What did Theisman predict last year? My recollection is that he was lukewarm on the Skins, so this is not a homer call. Theisman is the anti-Collinsoworth. He actually knows what he's talking about.

[lumpy35]

I thought Joey T. actually picked Atlanta to beat the Skins in the NFC championship game. I could be wrong. I was watching the interview, and could've swore that's what he said.


You are right!! He picked the Skins to get to the Championship Game and lose to Atlanta. Sean Salisbury then laughed and said he would walk from Bristol to DC (for Charity), if the Skins made the SB.

[MrFrank]

WOW...

Theismann must be back on the Black Velvet and Kool Menthols diet if he thinks that the Skins are going anywhere this season.

[Park City Skins]

Wow. CoachParcells must be off his medication. :rolleyes: Has to be to start doing what got him in that outfit in the first place.

[ChocolateCitySkin]

Theisman is a genius of the Martin Einstein caliber

DUDE whats with your Gilby sig?!?!?! :laugh:

[luvdaskins]

IF IT WAS JUST BECAUSE HE PLAYED FOR THE SKINS THEN WHY DIDNT HE PICK

THEM LAST YEAR OR YEAR BEFORE THAT????


:dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck

[>>Spearhead>>]

Irvin sounds like a total idiot

Well thats because A)he is and B)most people can't understand what he is saying anyway, so its difficult to get complaints on his blabber.

I think Henry is right- Joey T has seen something that reminds him of championship football somewhere in this offseason/preseason. I too have a hard time thinking it will all end up in Detroit for us but...

Joe has been critical in the past so its definately not just a homer pick.

He is just glad McCants got cut so he doesn't mutilate his name anymore... :laugh: Good luck Demarious, I mean Danarious, or is it Darmarion......

[SkinsTillIDie]

I think this needs to be revisited ;)

And let it be known that Salisbury, apparently, said he would walk from Bristol to Washington DC only if we made the super bowl, and not just the playoffs.

You are right!! He picked the Skins to get to the Championship Game and lose to Atlanta. Sean Salisbury then laughed and said he would walk from Bristol to DC (for Charity), if the Skins made the SB.

Theisman's not looking too crazy right about now :D :D

:logo:

[Warhead36]

Reverse this thread.

Theismann should be calling out ESPN.

Especially that punk Salisbury.

[theskins]

Hey I am new to this post and all I want to say is I love the Redskins!!! I live in Texass
and all that is talked about on the sports talk shows is how the Skins swept the cowgirls this year. I am very proud to wear my Redskin colors. I have been a Skins fan for as long as I can remember. Go Skins!!!!!!

[FightForOldDC21]

ok joe is the man get off of him every1 lol

[NYSkins1]

Hahaha...this thread is awesome.

[georgiaredskin]

I believe Theismann knows the magic of this team, of Joe Gibbs, and the heart of the team. HAIL SKINS!!

I also told people, if we beat Philly this time, we will continue to win the rest.
I BELIEVE!!! :helmet: :point2sky

[Joey T]

Give it some rest and time will tell :cool:

[autographcollector]

Wakeup you all...Theismann picked us to play the ravens in the sb when we got bruce smith and dion.

[georgiaredskin]

Give it some rest and time will tell :cool:
Uh oh. Joey T speaks again............when he speaks, we listen.

[SkinsFTW]

WOW...

Theismann must be back on the Black Velvet and Kool Menthols diet if he thinks that the Skins are going anywhere this season.

Where has this guy been since week 2? :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :2cents:

[Washskins81]

A lot of people, fans of the skins or not, like to bash Theisman.......bottom line is predicting who is going to win, go to the playoffs, win the SB, etc etc etc, is like predicting the weather....you don't know for sure till the time comes.


But, looks like my man was right this year....here we are, playoff bound. And if Jimmie Johnson, Michael "Powder" Irvin, and the rest are allowed to be homers, well then so is Joey T.


Hail to the Redskins.

[5 Super Bowls]

Joe T Said Portis is the best RB in the NFC and we probably have the best D!


What about Chicago? :laugh:

[Jumbo]

Where has this guy been since week 2? :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :2cents:

Wonder what his name will be next year, unless he's planning on becoming a Lions fan :laugh:

[carter23]

What about Chicago? :laugh:

ok.. we can admit we don't have the best D in the league


but we still ruined your season on 3 different occasions :dallasuck

[Woofer Magoo]

It's funny 'cause it's true.

:laugh:

[CRED1SKNS]

You got that right!!!!!!!!

[SoCalRedskinFan]

Hey carter23! Sure is easy to shut up them cowpuke fans these days huh? :laugh: :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck

[FedEx_Skinz]

Yeah, I seen the show on Rome is Burning the day he predicted it and everyone was like nooo, no way... Good for you Joe, pick Dallas and the Giants to beat us but have us winning the Super Bowl.

[Tazhog]

We are going to the SuperBowl!!!

Bucs didn't beat us... Alstott's 2 pt conversion was not!
Bears... We beat them
SeaHawks... We beat them
Giants... enough said
Panthers... I don't see the problem

I'm not overlooking the Bucs (we need to take care of business) I'm saying it's more possible than most people realize...

[Art]

What about Chicago? :laugh:

Actually, yes, you can make a case our defense, overall, is better than Chicago's defense if you simply break down the numbers. We played EIGHT games against seven teams in the Top 10 on offense in the NFL. On average the opposition we faced averaged 308.6 yards per game. Defensively we held teams to an average of 297.9 yards a game. This is a 10.7 yards per game difference where we held teams below their norm against us.

Chicago played a FAR weaker schedule on offense. Teams they faced averaged 280.9 yards per game. Defensively the Bears surrendered 281.8 yards per game. This means the Bears surrendered almost a yard MORE per game than the average performance of the teams they faced.

Simply, the Bears got fat on bad competition, much as we did last year. They are a very good defense, but, they haven't faced the level of competition we have faced and you can certainly build a compelling case that we're a better defense than Chicago given the tremendous difference in competition.

[SkinsTillIDie]

Simply, the Bears got fat on bad competition, much as we did last year. They are a very good defense, but, they haven't faced the level of competition we have faced and you can certainly build a compelling case that we're a better defense than Chicago given the tremendous difference in competition.

Bottom line... We played a total of 6 games versus division winners. They played 2 (the minimum for any team in the league).

[Sebowski]

Actually, yes, you can make a case our defense, overall, is better than Chicago's defense if you simply break down the numbers. We played EIGHT games against seven teams in the Top 10 on offense in the NFL. On average the opposition we faced averaged 308.6 yards per game. Defensively we held teams to an average of 297.9 yards a game. This is a 10.7 yards per game difference where we held teams below their norm against us.

Chicago played a FAR weaker schedule on offense. Teams they faced averaged 280.9 yards per game. Defensively the Bears surrendered 281.8 yards per game. This means the Bears surrendered almost a yard MORE per game than the average performance of the teams they faced.

Simply, the Bears got fat on bad competition, much as we did last year. They are a very good defense, but, they haven't faced the level of competition we have faced and you can certainly build a compelling case that we're a better defense than Chicago given the tremendous difference in competition.

Good work :cheers:

[cyfar]

:laugh:5 Super Bowls


I guess you have to have something to hang on to. Cowboy's fans are hilarious. :laugh:

[s0crates]

For the record, Joe Theismann:

1982: Led the Redskins to 27-17 victory over Miami in Super Bowl XVII. He went to the Pro Bowl, and was voted to the UPI All-NFC Team.

1983: Led the Redskins to 14-2 regular season record, followed by a 51-7 rout of the L.A. Rams in the NFC playoffs. The Redskins lost to the L.A. Raiders, 38-9, in Super Bowl XVIII. Theismann was named the AP's NFL MVP, the AP Offensive Player of the Year, the Pro Bowl Player of the Game and to the All-NFL Team.

[SkinsFTW]

The bears defense causes more turnovers though so it makes up for the yards. I did notice that ours is getting a lot better at it though.

We played a complete Bears like game against the Eagles complete with the Kyle Orton impression by Brunell for much of the game.

[Giants102180]

Both Dallas and NY have questions on both sides of the ball... people are 'assuming' that they may be able to pull it together..



Giants don't have any more questions then other teams. Maybe a couple of LB's, a corner, as our young talent grows we will be better

You don't even know who your qb is next year and you don't have a first round pick. you dont know if greg williams is back. You don't know if Campbell will be anything. You don;t know what you'll do with arrington. Your cap situation stinks. Talk about questions

[SkinsFTW]

Giants don't have any more questions then other teams. Maybe a couple of LB's, a corner, as our young talent grows we will be better

You don't even know who your qb is next year and you don't have a first round pick. you dont know if greg williams is back. You don't know if Campbell will be anything. You don;t know what you'll do with arrington. Your cap situation stinks. Talk about questions

But we got Gibbs and you don't. :silly:

[HapHaszard]

But we got Gibbs and you don't. :silly:

Nuff said, LOL