Are NFL refs biased against the 'Skins?

[JimmiJo]

After Ramsey's clothes-line and non call, I say hell yes.

[BigDFan5]

no they are not biased against Washington

[DC12]

If I have to endure another year of us whining about the Ref's calls. I'm gonna puke. Well disciplined teams that play together can overcome bad calls and still win. It happens all the time. So please, can we hold off on the ref's make us lose 8 games a year schtick?

[JimmiJo]

no they are not biased against Washington

Are too.

[JimmiJo]

If I have to endure another year of us whining about the Ref's calls. I'm gonna puke. Well disciplined teams that play together can overcome bad calls and still win. It happens all the time. So please, can we hold off on the ref's make us lose 8 games a year schtick?

Did you see the play? It was to me the most egregous roughing I have seen in some time. This is about a blatent foul, and the refs not calling it, not about me whining.

[7stepdrop]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[JimmiJo]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

WE'LL SEE WHO IS LAUGHING NEXT MONDAY CLOWNEY :dallasuck

[RedskinPryde]

OMG!! seriously who the hell are payin these refs...first point...im not 100% sure but from all the time ive loved football u r NOT ALLOWED 2 NECK TACKLE A QB AND RECIEVE NO PENALTY!! ARE U KIDDING ME!?!? and also...ANYONE WHO WAS WATCHIN MUSHIN MUHAMMED COULD TELL THAT HE FUMBLED THE DAMN BALL U R KIDDING ME THIS IS A JOKE! U DONT EVEN NEED INSTANT REPLAY TO SEE THAT! I AM VERY UPSET BY THE WAY THIS GAME IS BEIN CALLED...KILL THOSE DAMN BEARS 2ND HALF!!!! :bearsuck: :bearsuck: :bearsuck: :bearsuck:

[Blondie]

WE'LL SEE WHO IS LAUGHING NEXT MONDAY CLOWNEY :dallasuck


Ignore........maybe he will go away.

Blondie

[FenixKYN]

Dude, chill out.

The refs will miss some calls, and that's just the way the games goes. You can't do anything about it.

The Redskins get plenty of "ghost" calls from the refs too, but those never seem to get mentioned.

[JimmiJo]

Dude, chill out.

The refs will miss some calls, and that's just the way the games goes. You can't do anything about it.

The Redskins get plenty of "ghost" calls from the refs too, but those never seem to get mentioned.

Please name one.

[Mister Happy]

If that was Tom Brady instead of Ramsey, it would have been a penalty.

[da#1skinsfan]

Cmon, the ratio of ghost calls to bad calls is ridiculous.

We get screwed period. The no call on the armbar, the illegal shift, the OPI...and now this bullsh*t fumble.

[JimmiJo]

If that was Tom Brady instead of Ramsey, it would have been a penalty.

If that was Brady, Manning, or Farve, he would have been ejected.

[mookie0720]

Is this same thread created every single week?

[JimmiJo]

Is this same thread created every single week?

Probably, because week after week, we are ripped off by the refs.

[mookie0720]

Probably, because week after week, we are ripped off by the refs.

That's such a loser's mentality.

Complain about the refs every single week.

If we make plays and score TD's in the redzone instead of kicking field goals then the games wouldn't be close enough to be decided by the refs.

[clubisyohankovic]

If I have to endure another year of us whining about the Ref's calls. I'm gonna puke.
:point2sky what he said.

[Woofer]

Yes, the refs are against us.
The media is against us.
There are people on this board who are against us.

:paranoid:


I can feel them watching us right now.

[ZoEd]

I've been saying for years that there is no home field advantage for the Skins when it comes to the Refs. Watch a Dallas game and see how many calls they get their way at home. You know how they review film and fine players after the games for questionable play? They should do the same thing with the Refs. They miss a blatant call like that and they shoud forfeit their pay. We never get any breaks and who said we get ghost calls must be seeing them through chemically induced eyes.

[Thiebear]

I saw some bad calls... My lil mind would have sworn Cooley was being bear hugged when they called his push off... (I'd have thought he would have had to, to get away.
(the called back td).
The WWE call was kinda lame but...
I think its more the turnovers than anything though...

The refs call on pass interference was a 90yd difference... 36 in our faver after a 54yd return on the pick.... (that was HUGE!)

[camyj15]

I saw some bad calls... My lil mind would have sworn Cooley was being bear hugged when they called his push off... (I'd have thought he would have had to, to get away.
(the called back td).
The WWE call was kinda lame but...
I think its more the turnovers than anything though...

The refs call on pass interference was a 90yd difference... 36 in our faver after a 54yd return on the pick.... (that was HUGE!)

With the Ramsey mugging coming on the heel of this play, my jerk reaction was yes. But referees tend to "respect" winners. If you are winning and have a certain style of play, to a certain extent the refs will let you get away with it. So why does a lowly team like the Bears get the advantage over the Skins? Because although the Bears are bad, the perception of the Skins is worse. I have never, in my athletics pursuits, come across a referee that is totally unbiased. When we start winning and making fewer mistakes, the calls will begin to go our way and others teams will complain of bias against them.

[JWB]

It's not about respect. It's about making a proper call. If referees are that crooked then the NFL needs a serious uphaul.

[dfitzo53]

You know how they review film and fine players after the games for questionable play? They should do the same thing with the Refs. They miss a blatant call like that and they shoud forfeit their pay.

Actually, they do that. Believe me, those refs will get chewed out by the league. The NFL does a good job making sure the best officials are on the field.

[Rypien11]

But referees tend to "respect" winners
Their job is to be unbiased in how they call a game.
The Skins have been hurt in CRITICAL times during games last year and now this year in the first one.
The same thread gets started because it keeps happening.
Can anyone really explain how Cooley pushed off and how the hit on PR was not a 15 yard penelty?

[JimmiJo]

Actually, they do that. Believe me, those refs will get chewed out by the league. The NFL does a good job making sure the best officials are on the field.

I think they get checks when they manage to burn Snyder and Washington. I think it is because Snyder is not well liked in the league, and I think it is obvious.

Now that we won the game let me say the following:

The Refs Rip Us Off Constantly!

[topdog]

The ref's job is to manage the game and to protect the QB , that was a horrendous no call 9 out of 10 ref's flag that play.I quess we will have to work our way up to receiving top tier officials to get consistent calls.You can call it whining or what ever you want but it seems that we get some really nonprofessional officiating in a couple of our games. :mad:

[JimmiJo]

The ref's job is to manage the game and to protect the QB , that was a horrendous no call 9 out of 10 ref's flag that play.I quess we will have to work our way up to receiving top tier officials to get consistent calls.You can call it whining or what ever you want but it seems that we get some really nonprofessional officiating in a couple of our games. :mad:

HEAR HEAR

[SamSneed36]

Im sure every fan in the NFL thinks the refs are biased against them, that said, so do I. Oh well, we need to be good enough to over come some bad calls, and we need to have less penalties, like the ones in the redzone that negate a TD

[jimster]

That year the refs were on strike and college refs did pre-season was the best officiating I've seen in 20 years. - and I'm not just talking about the Redskins games.

There is no doubt a problem.

...another non-call was when Muhammed caught and fumbled - they were awefully quick to call that an incomplete pass so it couldn't be challenged.

[NoCalMike]

I think it is unfair to say they are biased against TEAMS, but against Players HELL YES they are. I think Ramsey has a stigma attatched to him that he gets "beat up" by opposing defense, so when he does, the refs stand there and let it happen because that is what have grown to think is "supposed" to happen, where as a guy like Lavar LOOKS at Mcnabb the wrong way and he is called for a personal foul.

[JerseyGator]

I've seen worse roughing QB plays not called a penalty. Wuerrffel, before he was a Skin, was speared helmet to helmet (no accident) in front of the world to see. No call. He fumbled the next snap.

[dfitzo53]

I've seen worse roughing QB plays not called a penalty. Wuerrffel, before he was a Skin, was speared helmet to helmet (no accident) in front of the world to see. No call. He fumbled the next snap.

That's not really a justification for not throwing a flag on this particular play. Lance Briggs committed a blatant foul.

[NoCalMike]

I still will never forgive the refs in the Cowboys game when Roy Williams grabbed Ramsey by the waist, and hoisted him off the ground in a suplex and slammed him to the ground, which is ILLEGAL.

[NOVA2Tampa]

I think refs make bad calls against all teams...but that clothesline of Ramsey should've been a PF...that was obscene not to call that one...

:2cents:

[Fred Jones]

The problem is the refs consistenly make bad calls against the skins. I am not saying the refs have anything against the skins, but enough with the bad calls. The league should fine that guy for the clothesline.

[Trung24]

The league needs to take care of these bad calls or eventually some player is going to physically assault a ref on national tv.

[Brave]

If referees are that crooked then the NFL needs a serious uphaul.

What, exactly, is an "uphaul?" :whoknows:

Count me amongst those who think there is too much whining about bad calls on this board. When we play well we win. When we don't we lose. Today we were lucky enough to play a bad team. We didn't play well but we won.

Be happy.

[Art]

Dude, chill out.

The refs will miss some calls, and that's just the way the games goes. You can't do anything about it.

The Redskins get plenty of "ghost" calls from the refs too, but those never seem to get mentioned.

Uh, no they didn't.

[Art]

Mookie,

At some point on this board, you have to figure out it's OK to agree with Redskin fans on a topic or two you seem to consistently deny exists. The media does seem crazed with the things they say. You think it doesn't exist, when it clearly does. The refs do, seemingly every game, remove points from us or give them to the opposition. It happens.

You're a Redskin fan.

It's ok to agree.

[DieselPwr44]

Well, nothing can be done about it now, except Gibbs will probably send a tape of that to the league. What will happen?? Probably an apology to the Skins and a slap on the wrist of the Bears. In other words....the usual. :2cents:

[JimmiJo]

Did anyone hear what Gibbs said about the clothes-line? He said from where he was that was 15 yards, if he had ever seen it.

[dfitzo53]

The league needs to take care of these bad calls or eventually some player is going to physically assault a ref on national tv.

I just don't see that happening. The player would be suspended for at least a year no questions asked. Maybe even banned from the league.

[NOVA2Tampa]

I just don't see that happening. The player would be suspended for at least a year no questions asked. Maybe even banned from the league.

Yup...assaulting a ref would not be a wise career move... :stick:

[RobJanis]

No doubt the refs blew it and blew it twice. Ramsey was clotheslined and that's 15 yards. AND Cooly did not push off in the endzone. HE WAS HELD BY THE DEFENDER. At worse, we have the ball on the one. You tell me the refs did a great job.

[redskin-one]

Absolutely. What's scary is that they are not trying to hide it. And now we are playing the team the ref's truely love. :gus:

[roqnap1]

Of course, refs hate the Redskins and love Dallas, just like they hate Maryland and love Duke.

GIVE ME A BREAK! They're people...not perfect. Never have been and never will be. What's done is done...move on to planning for next week.

[Anne The Fan]

If I have to endure another year of us whining about the Ref's calls. I'm gonna puke. Well disciplined teams that play together can overcome bad calls and still win. It happens all the time. So please, can we hold off on the ref's make us lose 8 games a year schtick?


Did you see the play? It was to me the most egregous roughing I have seen in some time. This is about a blatent foul, and the refs not calling it, not about me whining.

JimmiJo, I'm pretty sure that DC12 is a Cowboys troll masquerading as a Redskins fan. He's trying to bait you; don't let him. Remember, the ignore button is your best friend during Dallas week.

Oh, and that hit on Ramsey? Blatant roughing the passer. Whoever failed to call the penalty should be reassigned to a desk job.

[JimmiJo]

JimmiJo, I'm pretty sure that DC12 is a Cowboys troll masquerading as a Redskins fan. He's trying to bait you; don't let him. Remember, the ignore button is your best friend during Dallas week.

Oh, and that hit on Ramsey? Blatant roughing the passer. Whoever failed to call the penalty should be reassigned to a desk job.

Good advice.

[Bangee7]

I thought we were treated fairly today by the refs.

[Craig]

No, they are not biased.

[gimpy007]

There were a lot of bad calls by the refs today. There were 2 obvious calls today (PR & CC) :doh: . Not borderline calls. These were obvious bad calls. The league needs to do something about this. The refs should pay a fine.

[craig19406]

Anyone who has been a fan for the past 10 years knows the refs are biased against the Skins. That "no-call" today is the kind of stuff we're forced to swallow regularly!

[FootballGuy2677]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


dude did you even see the hit? Id be worried if i were you to where i was going after i died after laughing about somthing like that...

[Bangee7]

We also received a "phantom" roughing call....I'll take it, but I thought it was
a little too nit-picky.

[frankbones]

I saw some bad calls... My lil mind would have sworn Cooley was being bear hugged when they called his push off... (I'd have thought he would have had to, to get away.
(the called back td).
The WWE call was kinda lame but...
I think its more the turnovers than anything though...

The refs call on pass interference was a 90yd difference... 36 in our faver after a 54yd return on the pick.... (that was HUGE!)

Difference being that the PI call was legit.

[7stepdrop]

WE'LL SEE WHO IS LAUGHING NEXT MONDAY CLOWNEY :dallasuck


Oh yes, we will.

I'll be here to take my medicine if you guys happen to beat us.

But you won't.

[DC12]

Oh so I'm a troll if I don't think we should cry EVERY FREAKING WEEK about ref calls? C'mon guys, have we been reduced to this? I'ts pathetic, I'm sick of these "refs made us lose the game" type BS, as you would have noticed, good teams can overcome this if they play the game the right way, ....just like we did today...and frankly I'm insulted that you guys say that about me, I guess it's wrong to express a different opinion.

[JimmiJo]

Oh yes, we will.

I'll be here to take my medicine if you guys happen to beat us.

But you won't.

I have to admit, you guys looked a lot better than we did today. Hopefully we bring our A-game. Nonetheless, you suck!

[SamSneed36]

Anyone see Bledsoe get slapped in the facemask today? That was a 15 yarder, and it looked pretty incidental, so yea, there probably should have been a penalty on the Ramsey clothesline body slam

[panel]

This is from the bears message board,

They thought the refs sucked too.
http://bears.hosttown.com/index.php?showtopic=72306

[Jimbo]

Are NFL refs biased against the Skins? I don't really think so. Are they very inept when calling Skins games? Abso-freakin-lutely

[tex]

No doubt the refs are biased against the Redskins. Since the league does nothing to correct the trouble it may be a sign of the league’s tacit approval of such.

Tied to what some see as the team’s politically incorrect name? Sometimes I wonder….

[jimster]

Do college refs have day jobs like NFL refs do? - I never see this incompetence in college games. - The NFL needs to find out what it is their secret to thenm doing their jobs properly and follow it.

[nneece]

Shut up. This smacks of excuse making. Whether calls go Washington's way or not.

[iceman330]

I have to say YES!! Last year against Dallas we had two pass interference calls that totally changed the game, one against the D and one against the O. How can a guy run into me with the ball in the air and I get called for PI? We won the game against the Packers but got the motion call on movement that we had done all year. Not to mention refs from the league watch our practices and, obviously, did not say they sawa problem.

Today, PR gets closelined with the defender in the air as he hit PR high AND pulled him to the ground by his neck. We had a recovered fumble when the receiver took a step...no catch. And the TD called back when Cooley was getting grabbed, if your watching close enough to see the push-off how do you miss the grab?

Bad calls can change the entire game; no team in the NFL can overcome the type and frequency of bad calls that we endure every game and do well.

[bubba9497]

Is this same thread created every single week?


yes, should tell you something.

Mook, when was the last time you posted ANYTHING other than some smart assed comment about the posters here? Seriously, how about post something relievant to the team, game, something????!!! You like to think you know more than others and are always "judging" what they post....show some guts and post your opinions about football for a change... it's real easy to sit back and criticize others and act superior. :rolleyes:


Were the Skins screwed on a bad call that took points of the board in a close game.... again... HELL YES, it was a terrible call against Cooley, brown was wrapped around him like a horny school boy, yet he gets a flag???? and takes away a TD????

Then the blatent clothes line, that not only took Ramsey out of the game, but gave the Bears the ball on a fumble, when it should have been 1st and goal for the REDSKINS

[Dirk Diggler]

That's such a loser's mentality.

Complain about the refs every single week.

If we make plays and score TD's in the redzone instead of kicking field goals then the games wouldn't be close enough to be decided by the refs.

Interesting logic. How about when they take a TD away from Cooley for a phantom call? That's literally a case of the refs taking points away from you. Literally. There's nothing to overcome in that instance. Or were we supposed to convert the 3rd and 20 afterwards?

Well we tried that. Then a defender close-lined Ramsey (missed call) and he fumbled. We're we supposed to overcome that missed call too?

Either you are blind, stupid, or you are just a Cowboy fan in Skins gear. Pick one.

[Dirk Diggler]

yes, should tell you something.

Mook, when was the last time you posted ANYTHING other than some smart assed comment about the posters here? Seriously, how about post something relievant to the team, game, something????!!! You like to think you know more than others and are always "judging" what they post....show some guts and post your opinions about football for a change... it's real easy to sit back and criticize others and act superior. :rolleyes:


Couldn't have said it better myself. People like this should be booted right out of their peanut gallery. :)

[ZoEd]

It is a little too late to ***** about it but it is also pretty crappy that it happens to us every week and it's obvious to everyone who watches a skins game. It has to be more than just coincidence. It makes me sick to my stomach watching Roy Williams hit people late week after week and it never gets called because he's Roy Williams. Make it a point to pay attention for him hitting players while their already on the ground.

[PapaDRoc]

If that was Brady, Manning, or Farve, he would have been ejected.

Sad, but true.

[SkinsNeverDie]

You know...i'm not trying to sound negative but when your quarterback gets closelined and you dont call it...i mean somethings a bit fishy there...Ramsey could have been seriously injured and we didn't even get a benefit from it at all.

[MikeB]

I said no, but I truly beleive that the Skins are one of, if not THE, unluckiest teams when it comes to penalties. We ALWAYS get ripped.

[Bacon]

Yes. They're a bunch a cheating retard whiner babies. :D :laugh:

[EberKain]

There were bad calls against us in every single game last year, the injustice continues.

[bubba9497]

Okay doubters, list another team that has had as many game changing penalties that took points off the board, or prevent a team from getting in scoring position they deserved, especially in close games, as the Redskins have had the past 20 games.... hell list a team who has had half as many go against them

[jrockster21]

Is this same thread created every single week?

mookie -- are you SERIOUS??? You are supposed to be a Skins fan...but the more of your posts I read, the more I think you are a Dallas fan in disguise. The play on Ramsey would have been a penalty in the WWE. It was ridiculous. The offensive pass-interference call against Cooley was RIDICULOUS. It was NOT a push-off. Period.

[AzSkinsFan63]

answer me this....

snyone remeber a game where the officiating went our way in awhile..I'm talking quite a few years now. Even games like this wher we win i'm complaining about the calls.

I watched the Cooley call on a dvd recording and it was legit. He seemed to push off. (but does anyone doubt if it wasvice versa it would have been called?).

The Ramsey PF was rediculious but I asked the question at the time since he ahd the ball should it be called?..But I got my answer in the dallas game when San Diego got called for way less. (blow to the head) and Bledsoe still had the ball.

Cowboys had 3 TD drives all extended by ticky tack calls.

those are the facts..whether or not it's bias remains to be seen but for me it's week in and week out we see this. We got the win though and in the end that's what matters for this game.

[AzSkinsFan63]

Okay doubters, list another team that has had as many game changing penalties that took points off the board, or prevent a team from getting in scoring position they deserved, especially in close games, as the Redskins have had the past 20 games.... hell list a team who has had half as many go against them

tell me about it..

the law of averges says if it's not bias we'd have a few go our way right?

ain't happening..

[NYFootballGIANTS]

No, the refs are not biased against the Redskins.

As much as you may not want to believe it, every team has a few stories where the refs made a bad call that decided a game. The refs are human as well and do make mistakes. What you have to realize is that when refs make a call, they do so knowing that one side or another is going to be upset with it. They can't please everybody.

Yes, the refs missed some obvious calls and were rather horrible. Whatever the reason for it was, it was not because of some hidden agenda against the refs. What reason do you really think that these refs could have for calling against you intentionally?

In the science of psychology, it is an accepted fact that humans generally tend to remember instances that support their ideas and superstitutions and tend to forget ones that don't. I'm positive the Redskins probably have a few instances where they got a call in their favor.

Yes, I know what your feeling, we all get annoying with ref calls. The Giants had the playoff game against the 49ers where the league had to apologize because the refs ended the game on defensive penalty while the Giants still could have won. Yes, the referees can make awful calls, but it is not because there is some conspiracy against the Skins.

[Bacon]

he offensive pass-interference call against Cooley was RIDICULOUS. It was NOT a push-off. Period.

This I agree with. At the very least it was the lamest pushoff ever. :rolleyes:

[Kelvin Bryant]

Hey, you're one to talk, O CowFan.

How many Dallas third-and-fifteen incompletions today turned into gift first downs against San Diego today courtesy of the Pokes on the field wearing stripes? Four? Five? By the end of the game, you could see the refs loosening the flags in their pockets on Cowboy third down plays so's they'd whip out of their pockets in a smooth, fluid manner...

[AzSkinsFan63]

we're not the only ones that think this...

NFL.com
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8834880

Play you might have missed
With the Chargers leading 24-21 midway through the fourth quarter, the Cowboys faced third-and-16 from the San Diego 37. Drew Bledsoe completed a short crossing pass to Terry Glenn who was only able to get eight yards before being pushed out of bounds. However, Chargers DB Quentin Jammer was called for defensive holding. About 10 yards downfield, he grabbed the jersey of tight end Jason Witten -- who wasn't even in on the play! -- and the 5-yard penalty gave Dallas an automatic first down. Six plays and over three minutes later the 'Boys were in the end zone.

End result: Cowboys 28, Chargers 24


hey the truth is the truth...

[Dirk Diggler]

I watched the Cooley call on a dvd recording and it was legit. He seemed to push off. (but does anyone doubt if it wasvice versa it would have been called?).



You might want to watch it again. He was held on the play. And then he tried to break away from the hold rather than stand there and be held. It's either a hold on the defense or a no call - plain and simple.

[AzSkinsFan63]

we're not the only ones that think this...

NFL.com
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8834880

Play you might have missed
With the Chargers leading 24-21 midway through the fourth quarter, the Cowboys faced third-and-16 from the San Diego 37. Drew Bledsoe completed a short crossing pass to Terry Glenn who was only able to get eight yards before being pushed out of bounds. However, Chargers DB Quentin Jammer was called for defensive holding. About 10 yards downfield, he grabbed the jersey of tight end Jason Witten -- who wasn't even in on the play! -- and the 5-yard penalty gave Dallas an automatic first down. Six plays and over three minutes later the 'Boys were in the end zone.

End result: Cowboys 28, Chargers 24


hey the truth is the truth...

one more thing on this play that wasn't mentioned here.

did anyone else notice that the flag came out so damn late..it wasn't until after he was out of bounds with no first down, then oops hankie! lol

[AzSkinsFan63]

You might want to watch it again. He was held on the play. And then he tried to break away from the hold rather than stand there and be held. It's either a hold on the defense or a no call - plain and simple.

well I'll watch it again but there were two pair of eyes not just mine that agreed with this assessment.

My real point is this call would have never been called against another team in the league period.


the instant replay from Fox was a joke for sure!!!!

[bubba9497]

No, the refs are not biased against the Redskins.

As much as you may not want to believe it, every team has a few stories where the refs made a bad call that decided a game. The refs are human as well and do make mistakes. What you have to realize is that when refs make a call, they do so knowing that one side or another is going to be upset with it. They can't please everybody.

Yes, the refs missed some obvious calls and were rather horrible. Whatever the reason for it was, it was not because of some hidden agenda against the refs. What reason do you really think that these refs could have for calling against you intentionally?

In the science of psychology, it is an accepted fact that humans generally tend to remember instances that support their ideas and superstitutions and tend to forget ones that don't. I'm positive the Redskins probably have a few instances where they got a call in their favor.

Yes, I know what your feeling, we all get annoying with ref calls. The Giants had the playoff game against the 49ers where the league had to apologize because the refs ended the game on defensive penalty while the Giants still could have won. Yes, the referees can make awful calls, but it is not because there is some conspiracy against the Skins.

yes every team has a few over a few years.... but name another team that has had so many over so few games?

when you have other teams fans notice it, when you have writers comment on it.... makes you wonder.

[Tmac1577]

I think that every ref in that crew should be fined 10 thousand dollars for that no call if that were sean taylor that would have done that they would have run him off the field

[McMetal]

Of course the refs give us the raw end of it...it's perfectly blatant.

Besides the brutal hit on Ramsey that went unflagged, Urlacher CLEARLY horse-collar tackled Portis later in the game with no call at all. Portis even made the flag throwing gesture to emphasize the point when he got up.

[Biscuit]

It's easier to enjoy football when you acknowledge that bad calls happen to every team and good teams overcome them

[WVSkinsfan]

The Native Americans are paying the refs to treat us this way!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :D :D

[gimpy007]

I said it before and I'll say it again... I even have a friend who is a HUGE Cowboys fan and he even admits that the refs seem to make bad calls against the Redskins and favor the Cowboys.

[roboas]

Last years greenbay game did it for me. I don't remember when the flag came out, but I imagine it was sometime between "touchdown" and washington" when portis flew into the endzone.

Does anyone think the Saints got some calls today? They really suck, and it looked to me that they got some huge calls in their favor today

[The Bounty Hunter #21]

It is true i think..

[flexxskins]

Everyone that is saying chill out, refs are going to make bad calls....I think that you guys need to stop being so naive and open your eyes. This has been going on for at least two years now.

[pR0JEkT 21]

Dude, chill out.

The refs will miss some calls, and that's just the way the games goes. You can't do anything about it.

The Redskins get plenty of "ghost" calls from the refs too, but those never seem to get mentioned.

Yes, they did miss some calls especially when Ramsy got the crap kicked out of him with that close-line I heard. Here is Ramsy on the sidelines after the hit!

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[Spaceman Spiff]

If I have to endure another year of us whining about the Ref's calls. I'm gonna puke. Well disciplined teams that play together can overcome bad calls and still win. It happens all the time. So please, can we hold off on the ref's make us lose 8 games a year schtick?


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[dreamingwolf]

who remembers the game where the ref made such a bad call against us at home, that the other refs made the ref go stand by himself on the other side of field while the rest of them discussed it. We chanted fire him and other angry things. It was so precious watching that guy just kick grass, while the other refs tried to figure out what to do about it. If I remember correctly they said he was a dumb ass, not a challenge review just damn you suck as a ref intervention.

Its about time they pony up the dough and have professional refs, whose livelyhood is to ref games.

[Jizmaglobin]

no,they aren't biased against us,they're just inept half the time.:dallasuck

[matty dread]

The refs around the league all stink, they're not just out to get the Skins.

Watch any NFL game on Sunday and you'll see plenty of bad calls and non-calls.

[Fred Jones]

I just hope we get some breaks this coming Monday. I am tired of being on the short end of the stick.

[DB44]

the cooley play was one thing. Those bad calls happen to everybody.

but when your starting qb gets the rock bottom put on him, you have to call the penalty. The colts don't win if Ray Ray puts one of those closelines on Manning at the beginning of the game.

Oh and the result of the play was a fumble, which takes points off of the board. Its just sickening to watch Patrick head bounce off of the turf.

At least good teams find a way to win.

[Kilmer17]

Yes. Not all of them, but many of them. And I can cite for you the PRECISE moment it started happening.

About 8 years ago, Snyder made a big deal about David Bostons father reffing games in the division. He felt (rightfully so) that his son being in the league, created a conflict of interest SPEICIFICALLY in NFC East games.

If there is a ref who was around when this happened, they show an obvious bias against the Skins. The 3 top offenders-

Tom White
Bernie Kuchar
Jerry Austin.

Any of them are reffing next monday, there will be at least 2 calls go against us. Book it.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

NO THEY ARE NOT

Do they miss calls? yes

They miss them for both teams we just notice the ones against us a little more and seem to be in denial when we get away with one.

[fpickering]

That's such a loser's mentality.

Complain about the refs every single week.

If we make plays and score TD's in the redzone instead of kicking field goals then the games wouldn't be close enough to be decided by the refs.


I disagree. If the terrible calls (offensive PI against Cooley and the obvious personal foul against Ramsey were called correctly then we score the TD in the redzone.)

The overwhelming amount of terrible penalties and non calls that consistently go against the Redskins are very significant. Another poster put it best....when the questionable offensive PI call on Cooley was called and then Ramsey got murdered by a clothesline to the neck and fumbled with NO CALL I said to myself, is there any other team that this would happen to?

Seriously. I don't think it is a loser mentality, I think it is reality.

[Eastlove]

Man, you guys are letting this get to personal, it's a flawed logic. You notice when the calls go against you, and don't when they do. For instances against San Diego the Cowboys had a lot of penalties go their way. However there was a blatant Horse-Collar tackle of Jason Witten that went unflagged. Now in you guys' situation I honestly think that the one horse-collar would be the call that everyone remembered and the other stuff would just be, good luck, or reasonable penalties that that a struggling defense commited.

[sknsgirl]

Is this same thread created every single week?

B/c it's true every week! OK, maybe not every week, but it does seem like the Skins get more than their share of bad calls. How many times have opposing teams been fined for plays that haven't even been penalties during the games? If it's a fine, you know it's bad. On ESPN they're talking about a fine for the clothesline (so it's more than just local complaining about the non-call). For example, on NFL PrimeTime Tom Jackson said, "Hitting the QB in the head is illegal!" But DC12 is right, good teams overcome bad calls.

[Eastlove]

B/c it's true every week! OK, maybe not every week, but it does seem like the Skins get more than their share of bad calls. How many times have opposing teams been fined for plays that haven't even been penalties during the games? If it's a fine, you know it's bad. On ESPN they're talking about a fine for the clothesline (so it's more than just local complaining about the non-call). For example, on NFL PrimeTime Tom Jackson said, "Hitting the QB in the head is illegal!" But DC12 is right, good teams overcome bad calls. It happens often enough, a few years ago Darren Woodson was fined for a helmet to helmet tackle, when he lead with his shoulder. Oh wait that's backwards, well it was still a bad call.

[sknsgirl]

Of course the refs give us the raw end of it...it's perfectly blatant.

Besides the brutal hit on Ramsey that went unflagged, Urlacher CLEARLY horse-collar tackled Portis later in the game with no call at all. Portis even made the flag throwing gesture to emphasize the point when he got up.

Yeah, I was wondering about that one (screaming about it at the game), too!

[ross3909]

We should respect these refs, it is not easy to stand up and make a blatently obvious bad call infront of tens of thousands of people who know how rediculous it was. This takes courage and fortitude especially when even the tv announcers jump in and after replay are incredulous on how wrong they are. They go through alot of ridicule to throw these games and we should respect that.

[Taylor 36]

Interesting logic. How about when they take a TD away from Cooley for a phantom call? That's literally a case of the refs taking points away from you. Literally. There's nothing to overcome in that instance. Or were we supposed to convert the 3rd and 20 afterwards?

Well we tried that. Then a defender close-lined Ramsey (missed call) and he fumbled. We're we supposed to overcome that missed call too?

Either you are blind, stupid, or you are just a Cowboy fan in Skins gear. Pick one.

He's definitely the first two.

[codeorama]

Name me a team who's fans say the refs do a good job...

[jimster]

Name me a team who's fans say the refs do a good job...


Carolina won 3 games in 2003 due to favorable ref calls, which essentially got them into the playoffs.

[codeorama]

Carolina won 3 games in 2003 due to favorable ref calls, which essentially got them into the playoffs.

Are you a Carolina fan? I bet their fans still ***** about the refs.

To say there is a conspiracy against the Redskins is laughable. Poor officiating is happening throughout the league because the refs are not full time. Each week, there are probably 25 teams complaining about bad calls.

[Dirk Diggler]

Yes. Not all of them, but many of them. And I can cite for you the PRECISE moment it started happening.

About 8 years ago, Snyder made a big deal about David Bostons father reffing games in the division. He felt (rightfully so) that his son being in the league, created a conflict of interest SPEICIFICALLY in NFC East games.

If there is a ref who was around when this happened, they show an obvious bias against the Skins. The 3 top offenders-

Tom White
Bernie Kuchar
Jerry Austin.

Any of them are reffing next monday, there will be at least 2 calls go against us. Book it.

I believe Terry McCaulay's crew has it in for us. They did that New Orleans game 2 seasons ago and I think they did the Green Bay game last season. :mad:

[Kilmer17]

I always hope for Hoculi or Grier. Those two are far and away the best in the league.

[AJWatson3]

i don't think they are biased, maybe we just get a crappy crew every game? we sure have had an unfair share of calls go against us the past few years...

[hokie4redskins]

Of course they are, it's the only way possible for the Redskins to lose.

[The President]

That's such a loser's mentality.

Complain about the refs every single week.

If we make plays and score TD's in the redzone instead of kicking field goals then the games wouldn't be close enough to be decided by the refs.

It is hard to get in to the end zone when the refs take TDs away and in other times give us crappy spots. LOOK, every time it is a close call or a questionable call it is not in the favor of the skins. Why you ask.

Answer: cuz they don't like ol Danny boy.

[cakmoney61]

I have been a Redskins fan for over 30 years and I have never seen the kind of blatant , one-sided mistakes from referees that saw last year and the first game this year. And yes some of the referees' blunders cost us games last year.

Some may say Redskins fans are experiencing paranoia, but it happens too much to this team. It didn't even out last year. Let's see if it evens out this year. After one game, however, the Redskins are again on the short end of the stick!

[Tarpon75]

I saw some bad calls... My lil mind would have sworn Cooley was being bear hugged when they called his push off... (I'd have thought he would have had to, to get away.
(the called back td).
The WWE call was kinda lame but...
I think its more the turnovers than anything though...

The refs call on pass interference was a 90yd difference... 36 in our faver after a 54yd return on the pick.... (that was HUGE!)
It was a huge call but it was legit.Had a Redskin defender held a reciever in that manner and it was called there would be no complaint on my part about a flag.The pushoff and the non call(Clothesline)were not legit.If these things were isolated incidents I could possibly understand but these type of situations have been happening too long and too frequently.

[Ball Coach]

With as much protection the QBs are supposed to receive, this was certainly one of the biggest blown calls.

[whitejimmy]

I tend to agree with those that say blaming the refs is just excuse-making. It's hard to us to be objective. Clearly, most anyone that subscribes to this site is a big homer.

However, I will agree with the conspiracy folks if ONE THING happens. Yes, there is a possbility for DEFINITIVE proof of referee bias against the Skins.

(drum roll please)

A holding call on Jon "No Thumbs" Jansen next week! Now THAT would convince me!

[grampi]

If I have to endure another year of us whining about the Ref's calls. I'm gonna puke. Well disciplined teams that play together can overcome bad calls and still win. It happens all the time. So please, can we hold off on the ref's make us lose 8 games a year schtick?

You obviously haven't seen any of the Skins/Dallas games over the last 10 years or so, or you have a very short memory. The refs literally gave Dallas one of their wins against us last year. No other team in the league gets abused by the refs as bad as the Skins.

[bigpoppa]

If that was Brady, Manning, or Farve, he would have been ejected.

I totally agree and the media would be up in arms about it but I still do not think that means we get shafted by the reff's.

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[JimmiJo]

I totally agree and the media would be up in arms about it but I still do not think that means we get shafted by the reff's.

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Well then, what do you think it means? I am not a conspriacy theorist, but I've been watching this for years.