The play Ramsey got hurt

[joef44]

After rewatching the play on tivo Ramsey again held the ball to long with out getting rid of it. I am a Ramsey supporter but he is not commanding the offense they way Brunell does. Yes he has a riffle for an arm but he just makes those dumb mistake game after game. Coach Gibbs has a problem now. Start Rmasey and wait for him to screw up again and he will unfortunately or start Brunell and totaly wreck Ramsey confidence. I am glad I do not have to make this choice. I wish we did not have to talk about this today but we are a qb away from being a very good team.

[LWC]

? I thought he got bum rushed and slammed down to the ground pretty quickly.

[Destino]

After rewatching the play on tivo Ramsey again held the ball to long with out getting rid of it. I am a Ramsey supporter but he is not commanding the offense they way Brunell does. Yes he has a riffle for an arm but he just makes those dumb mistake game after game. Coach Gibbs has a problem now. Start Rmasey and wait for him to screw up again and he will unfortunately or start Brunell and totaly wreck Ramsey confidence. I am glad I do not have to make this choice. I wish we did not have to talk about this today but we are a qb away from being a very good team.
If the line can't give your QB at the very least 3 seconds to throw the ball then the O-Line has a long way to go. Watch any of the playoff teams, unless the other team brings the house the QB's have plenty of time to throw the ball. Here we blame the QB for not running for his life well enough. Screw that.

The play that Ramsey got wrecked Jansen blocked the wrong guy. Watch it again and see for yourself, he let a guy come straight threw the middle of the line untouched. Even the announcers noticed it.

[More Complete]

He did get bum rushed and slammed quick. I know he tends to hold it longer than he should sometimes and takes hits he should not but I don't think that was the case this time. I've got it on TiVo too.

[318 SKIN]

After rewatching the play on tivo Ramsey again held the ball to long with out getting rid of it. I am a Ramsey supporter but he is not commanding the offense they way Brunell does. Yes he has a riffle for an arm but he just makes those dumb mistake game after game. Coach Gibbs has a problem now. Start Rmasey and wait for him to screw up again and he will unfortunately or start Brunell and totaly wreck Ramsey confidence. I am glad I do not have to make this choice. I wish we did not have to talk about this today but we are a qb away from being a very good team.

You are an ********* - he was in his 3rd step and the guy comes from over the top. This is not something you look for....

[DialSux]

it's kind of unreasonable to think that any o-line will protect the qb 100% of the time. sometimes, the qb needs improvise when he's pressured. ramsey hasn't improved his composure under pressure since his rookie year. i agree w/ the orig poster's assessment of ramsey. he'll turn the ball over under pressure more times than most other qb's.

[stupidsuck]

yea, Jansen had to make a decsion between 2 guys to block, he unfortunately took the outside guy which pretty much left Briggs unblocked. That play had nothing to do with holding the ball. Just about any QB takes that hit.

[Dead Money]

? I thought he got bum rushed and slammed down to the ground pretty quickly.


He did... this guy's :insane:

[joef44]

Ok I am an ********* and I am glad all of you have tivo maybe you should watch it. Yes he got bum rushed and slammed to the ground and he was in his 3 step drop but he should of got rid of it. Its the same thing for the last 4 years.

[Thiebear]

it's kind of unreasonable to think that any o-line will protect the qb 100% of the time. sometimes, the qb needs improvise when he's pressured. ramsey hasn't improved his composure under pressure since his rookie year. i agree w/ the orig poster's assessment of ramsey. he'll turn the ball over under pressure more times than most other qb's.

That play happened in under 3 seconds..
You are like a balloon, pull the lips apart and you make the same sounds....

[rdsknbill]

:doh: Some of the "analysis" on this board just boggles the mind :jerk:

[arkowi]

it's kind of unreasonable to think that any o-line will protect the qb 100% of the time. sometimes, the qb needs improvise when he's pressured. ramsey hasn't improved his composure under pressure since his rookie year. i agree w/ the orig poster's assessment of ramsey. he'll turn the ball over under pressure more times than most other qb's.

i don't think any qb would have had time to react to that hit.

[arkowi]

Ok I am an ********* and I am glad all of you have tivo maybe you should watch it. Yes he got bum rushed and slammed to the ground and he was in his 3 step drop but he should of got rid of it. Its the same thing for the last 4 years.

Yes, you are. I do have a tivo. I have watched it.

[DialSux]

ramsey ran into that clothesline like he came off the ropes.

btw, jansen did screw up. he changed his mind and went for briggs....about 1/2 second too late.

[TheLongshot]

Sure, he could have gotten rid of it...and potentially could of had it picked off because he couldn't set, and who knows where the ball would have gone...

Course, if you were talking about the first fumble, which we got back, I would agree with you. On that play, Ramsey held onto the ball too long, and should have gotten rid of it. Thing is, tho, that's the only time I think he held onto the ball too long.

Jason

[Underwater Ally]

Ok I am an ********* and I am glad all of you have tivo maybe you should watch it. Yes he got bum rushed and slammed to the ground and he was in his 3 step drop but he should of got rid of it. Its the same thing for the last 4 years.

What is the same thing for the last 4 years? Ramsey failing to get rid of the ball after 1 second in the pocket or Ramsey getting pummled by a blitz that wasn't picked up?
:rolleyes:

P.S. I don't need tivo to know that this is nonsense.

[nneece]

Ramsey has a 'riffle' for an arm. What's that? I think he has a rifle for a arm. ;)

[ExtremeSkins Staff]

You are an ********* - he was in his 3rd step and the guy comes from over the top. This is not something you look for....

These kinds of posts add nothing to the discussion and are not allowed on Extremeskins. Debates on issues are encouraged here---personal attacks are not. Avoid taking gratuitous shots at another poster in trying to make a point.

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[G-Prime]

You are an ********* - he was in his 3rd step and the guy comes from over the top. This is not something you look for....

That's kind of uncalled for. Dude is stating his opinion.. I don't agree with it but we're skins fans here, I think we can criticize with a bit more class

[Hail_to_Kessel]

? I thought he got bum rushed and slammed down to the ground pretty quickly.:helmet:

I agree; it was pretty fast. There should have been a penalty on the play though. It pissed me off that no call was made.

[Funkyalligator]

Ramsey wasn't holding onto the ball too long this game..he was a bit nervous his first few times.....and put a bit too much air under the ball and that is what led to the interception....he showed good pocket presence...stepping up to avoid the rush on several occasions and getting rid of the ball quickly....

[illone]

Should have been half the distance and a 1st down on that play. Personal foul all the way there.

[fansince62]

agree that this one was on the line. also believe that the best QBs tuck the ball and take the loss.

[barefoot]

Should have been half the distance and a 1st down on that play. Personal foul all the way there.

I can't see anyone arguing with that, unless you're wearing zebra stripes.

[Califan007]

What??....Ok, it's getting ri-gd-diculous around here when we go out of our way to fault Ramsey for that illegal clothesline hit he suffered and conveniently forget to blame the O-line...not to mention blaming it on his holding the ball too long!! Yeah, any QB in the league worth his salt always throws the ball after one or two steps backwards...it's only the worthless bums who hold onto it for three steps.

Good lord... :doh:

[DialSux]

you're right. since it was a cheap shot, it couldn't have been ramsey's fault.:rolleyes: what kind of logic is that? it's probably debatable whether ramsey put himself in the position to be sacked and whether he could have prevented the fumble by throwing it away or going down. the fact that he got hit w/ a cheap shot doesn't mean that he didn't make any mistakes.

[garg8050]

After rewatching the play on tivo Ramsey again held the ball to long with out getting rid of it. I am a Ramsey supporter but he is not commanding the offense they way Brunell does. Yes he has a riffle for an arm but he just makes those dumb mistake game after game. Coach Gibbs has a problem now. Start Rmasey and wait for him to screw up again and he will unfortunately or start Brunell and totaly wreck Ramsey confidence. I am glad I do not have to make this choice. I wish we did not have to talk about this today but we are a qb away from being a very good team.

That's nonsense. The second his back foot hit, he tried to slide up in the pocket to avoid the rush. His only option to avoid the hit would have been to continue to drop back and then sprint out to his right. In no way did he hold the ball too long. He barely completed his drop!

[SkinsNatsFan]

Yep, and those were his happy feet flying up to the sky while his head was being slammed to ground by the arm around his neck. Don't forget that the fumble was probably caused by his patting the ball.

[kharms01]

After rewatching the play on tivo Ramsey again held the ball to long with out getting rid of it. I am a Ramsey supporter but he is not commanding the offense they way Brunell does. Yes he has a riffle for an arm but he just makes those dumb mistake game after game. Coach Gibbs has a problem now. Start Rmasey and wait for him to screw up again and he will unfortunately or start Brunell and totaly wreck Ramsey confidence. I am glad I do not have to make this choice. I wish we did not have to talk about this today but we are a qb away from being a very good team.
God some people are so critical. I guess Brunell look great though. His 7o total yards and a pick that was luckily called back because of a penalty.

[Carlito Sway]

Gotta feel for Patrick - never helpful when your 'best friend' inadvertantly lets you get chopped in the throat. I still can't believe the refs took away the TD, then looked the other way on a defensive move that was banned in the 60's, *and* awarded a fumble.

I hate being the guy who complains about refs, but man, it's a tough one to swallow.

And I agree, I would hate to be making this decision. Ramsey's just plain unlucky. Held out, almost got himself traded, then had Schott, learned that system, then had Spurrier, learned that system, then had Joe, wathced him bring in a washed up Brunell from Day 1, finally learned the system (which, to my eyes, is 'don't throw picks') and watched the Skins spend a first rounder on Campbell. Ouch.

I wonder which team he'll light the NFL up with in a couple of years. It's just one of those things, ya gotta read the writing on the wall. He's never going to work out here. I can't believe I'm saying it, as I've always been a big supporter of his, but maybe the FO shoulda traded him that first summer . . .

Can the Jason Campbell era begin already? Brunell gives me the willies.

[Califan007]

you're right. since it was a cheap shot, it couldn't have been ramsey's fault.:rolleyes: what kind of logic is that? it's probably debatable whether ramsey put himself in the position to be sacked and whether he could have prevented the fumble by throwing it away or going down. the fact that he got hit w/ a cheap shot doesn't mean that he didn't make any mistakes.
Conveniently overlooking Ramsey's lack of time to do anything BUT get sacked, along with the site-wide reluctance to fault the O-line in any of this. The guy who clotheslined Ramsey had a direct clean shot, there was no time for Ramsey to "hold the ball too long"...had that been LaVar delivering that hit to Orton, nobody would have been blaming Orton for holding the ball too long...we'd all be cheering LaVar for the quick sack, and blaming the Bears' O-line for not picking up the blitz. Only when it happens to our own starting QB do we break out the stopwatches and start to analyze every 10th of a second to decipher if he could have caused the sack himself by holding the ball 3.19 seconds instead of 2.74 seconds.

This whole thread is due to preconcieved notions about Ramsey...nothing else.

[skinsmania123]

You know people have said for YEARS that Bledsoe holds onto the ball too long and he said yesterday that he has heard it his entire career. I really liked what he said during an interview yesterday.. He basically said "if no one is open I am going to hold the ball. I don't care what people say. I am the one on the field making the reads." He is damn right about that.

I am tired of the Ramsey haters on this board...I am certain other teams would love to have him. He will start in the NFL and if it is not here...and if I were him I would NOT want to be here, it will be with someone else.

And while I am at it Campbell is in no way, shape or form, ready to perform as a 1st string QB in this league. All of you Campbell supporters who want to ruin this kid too, amaze me. Let the guy develop. I look forward to seeing him in 2 years.

[gibbsteam]

Bottom line is the hit was illegal.....Patrick got assaulted...the refs played dumb...the bears got the ball.....the announcers were beside themselves.......the fans went absolutly insane.....Now the only thing left is for the NFL to call Joe and sat sorry Joe we know you lost your starting QB and there should have been a penalty....but our underpaid part time officials screwed up again.......on the bright side Joe we (the nfl) are $25,000.00 richer after the fine.

[DialSux]

Conveniently overlooking Ramsey's lack of time to do anything BUT get sacked, along with the site-wide reluctance to fault the O-line in any of this. The guy who clotheslined Ramsey had a direct clean shot, there was no time for Ramsey to "hold the ball too long"...had that been LaVar delivering that hit to Orton, nobody would have been blaming Orton for holding the ball too long...we'd all be cheering LaVar for the quick sack, and blaming the Bears' O-line for not picking up the blitz. Only when it happens to our own starting QB do we break out the stopwatches and start to analyze every 10th of a second to decipher if he could have caused the sack himself by holding the ball 3.19 seconds instead of 2.74 seconds.

This whole thread is due to preconcieved notions about Ramsey...nothing else.

perhaps...but maybe our preconceived notion about ramsey has some basis. after seeing him make the same mistakes over and over again, maybe i do tend to fault him for plays that i wouldn't have faulted qb who makes better decisions in the pocket. he's brought a lot of this on himself.

[chef8181]

There was nothing Ramesy could have done on that play he got hurt. The guy came unblocked and I won't even blame him for the fumble because when somebody is trying to take your head off you tend to drop the ball. Besides that it should have been a penalty. How the refs didn't call that is beyond me when they go out of their way to protect QBs.

You're right though we are a QB away from being a good team. And that QB is neither Ramesy or Brunell. And it certainly isn't Cambell this year.

[joef44]

Guys this is getting a little out of hand, I really want Ramsey to suceed but in my opinon and I hope I am wrong I think he needs to move on. Maybe I am wrong and he could not of gotten rid of the ball but he just makes to many mistakes in general. How many times has he driven us down the field looking great only to break my heart in the end? I guess we will find out soon enough

[skinzfan4life]

Conveniently overlooking Ramsey's lack of time to do anything BUT get sacked, along with the site-wide reluctance to fault the O-line in any of this. The guy who clotheslined Ramsey had a direct clean shot, there was no time for Ramsey to "hold the ball too long"...had that been LaVar delivering that hit to Orton, nobody would have been blaming Orton for holding the ball too long...we'd all be cheering LaVar for the quick sack, and blaming the Bears' O-line for not picking up the blitz. Only when it happens to our own starting QB do we break out the stopwatches and start to analyze every 10th of a second to decipher if he could have caused the sack himself by holding the ball 3.19 seconds instead of 2.74 seconds.

This whole thread is due to preconcieved notions about Ramsey...nothing else.


Agreed, and if you watch that play, there was no way ramsey could have done anything else. Im pretty sure any QB in the league would have gotten hit just the same in that play, Mabye they would have held onto the ball maybe not, but they would have all taken that hit. There was no time to throw that ball.

[Gamebreaker]

perhaps...but maybe our preconceived notion about ramsey has some basis. after seeing him make the same mistakes over and over again, maybe i do tend to fault him for plays that i wouldn't have faulted qb who makes better decisions in the pocket. he's brought a lot of this on himself.

So you're basically admitting that Ramsey didn't do anything wrong on that play, but you're blaming him anyway because you have a bias aganist him. Then why bother posting lies and utter crap if you aren't going to be objective?

[kharms01]

So you're basically admitting that Ramsey didn't do anything wrong on that play, but you're blaming him anyway because you have a bias aganist him. Then why bother posting lies and utter crap if you aren't going to be objective?
I SECOND THAT MOTION!