hallelujah!!!

[Renegade7]

That's what I got to say thanks to the past couple of days. I'll admit, I had a very overrated weekend, missing the skins game working and all. But to not only have them win, but the future of this franchise officially set for success, I just want to cry tears of joy. I've been tired of Ramsey, and so is Gibbs. It's time for Brunell to earn his paycheck, being a servicable veteran, and then step aside for the true future Jason Campbell. Face it, Ramsey was never in the picture. Too many turnovers at the worst possible time. Brunell is just better, and it's time to move forward. Basicly, Ramsey goes, I won't miss him. We'll be to busy moving foward to being a respectable franchise again. :D

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THANK YOU GIBBS FOR MAKING MY DAY!!!!

[Fred Jones]

So, tell us how you really feel.

[OrangeSkin]

I'm not sure what to make of the situation, but I am pleased that we now have a clear picture of the QB situation. We have a veteran for 2 years max, and our QB of the future in Campbell. Ramsey never fit in that picture, and it was obvious from day one.

[Joncevensen]

i cant believe we did this

[Clinton Portis]

Ramsey DID.

Trade him to Arizona.

So I can buy his Jersey.

[SamSneed36]

I think its the right move. Gibbs is a running coach, thats what our team is really set to do and with our speed a WR all you have to do is get the ball to them quickly, not necessarily a long pass because they can get the YAC. But what you cant do is turn it over. Ramsey just wasnt going to fit here

[Truant]

Were you this happy when Brunell couldn't get over 100 yards passing in 3 straight games?

Today we became a laughing stock again. Oh Joy!

Let's see what happens in Dallas...

[illone]

:cheers:

I'm happy too, Renegade. Here is to moving forward and not dwelling on the past, especially a Spurrier player:cheers:.

[skinsfan999]

Yeah I pretty much agree with everything you said just not as extreme LOL.

[Renegade7]

So, tell us how you really feel.

I just did. :) We're offically moving foward. :logo:

[Renegade7]

Trade him to Chicago. :)

[THEHEREAFTER]

That's what I got to say thanks to the past couple of days. I'll admit, I had a very overrated weekend, missing the skins game working and all. But to not only have them win, but the future of this franchise officially set for success, I just want to cry tears of joy. I've been tired of Ramsey, and so is Gibbs. It's time for Brunell to earn his paycheck, being a servicable veteran, and then step aside for the true future Jason Campbell. Face it, Ramsey was never in the picture. Too many turnovers at the worst possible time. Brunell is just better, and it's time to move forward. Basicly, Ramsey goes, I won't miss him. We'll be to busy moving foward to being a respectable franchise again. :D

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THANK YOU GIBBS FOR MAKING MY DAY!!!!

Wow! What a difference a year makes! Last season Brunell looked like the worst FA signing ever and young PR was the hero! Ol' Joe better hope he's right on this one... :(

[Destino]

Why did so many of you cry and moan about the media saying this exact same thing only to now openly admit it?




:doh:

[Underwater Ally]

:cheers:

I'm happy too, Renegade. Here is to moving forward and not dwelling on the past, especially a Spurrier player:cheers:.


Now all we can do is remember the past. This season is shot if Brunell starts playing like he did last year. Hell, the season is shot if he plays like he did yesterday. This is not a team that is built to compete in the NFC East.

[LoGiK]

All i have to say is thank god we drafted Jason Campbell....

[HeHateMe]

That's what I got to say thanks to the past couple of days. I'll admit, I had a very overrated weekend, missing the skins game working and all. But to not only have them win, but the future of this franchise officially set for success, I just want to cry tears of joy. I've been tired of Ramsey, and so is Gibbs. It's time for Brunell to earn his paycheck, being a servicable veteran, and then step aside for the true future Jason Campbell. Face it, Ramsey was never in the picture. Too many turnovers at the worst possible time. Brunell is just better, and it's time to move forward. Basicly, Ramsey goes, I won't miss him. We'll be to busy moving foward to being a respectable franchise again. :D

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THANK YOU GIBBS FOR MAKING MY DAY!!!!

So if I search this entire site, I won't find one post by you in support of PR being the future QB of this franchise? ;)

[Underwater Ally]

Wow! What a difference a year makes! Last season Brunell looked like the worst FA signing ever and young PR was the hero! Ol' Joe better hope he's right on this one... :(

What a difference one freaking day makes.

[panel]

wow, I hope Brunell dosn't exhaut him self after 70 yards in 3 quarters.

[feeshta]

I'm personally very surprised by this move. Brunnell was on pace to throw the ball for a whopping 110 yards in a complete game yesterday. But he looks SOOOOO much better to everyone on here. W...... T....... F.........????

I'll admit that he does look much crisper throwing the ball this year, but have we seen him throw it further than 20 yards? That was the weakest link in our offense last year, and the one that coach Gibbs spent the most time trying to correct this offseason, and Brunnell has STILL not proven he can be at all successful in that role.

I can guarantee you one thing, if Brunnell continues to play like he did last week, we will finish this season at or worse than last. There is no way we can be successfull with our offense scoring so few points, no matter how good the defense appears. Especially now that we may have to go look for a new kicker, this decision makes even less sense. Our defense can prevent the oppenent from scoring, but they have never been able to get us points. That has to fall to the offense, and I think Ramsey gives us more points than Brunnell, plain and simple. More points = more wins, because even is Ramsey turns the ball over more this defense has proven it can stop the opponent more often than not. To me, it is obvious that turnovers are less damaging to this team as a whole unit, than the inability to score points.

I have always had great respect for Coach Gibbs and respect his judgement most of the time, but there has to be some underlying issue behind this that we as the public are not aware of. There is no way in hell that Gibbs can justify this decision based on on -field performance. Ramsey was nowhere nearly as bad as Brunnell was last year when he was not pulled for underperforming. If Coach Gibbs says this is simply about performance on the field, he is lying to us, and quite possibly also to himself. Harsh words I know, but they are the truth.

[NewGibbsEra]

That's what I got to say thanks to the past couple of days. I'll admit, I had a very overrated weekend, missing the skins game working and all. But to not only have them win, but the future of this franchise officially set for success, I just want to cry tears of joy. I've been tired of Ramsey, and so is Gibbs. It's time for Brunell to earn his paycheck, being a servicable veteran, and then step aside for the true future Jason Campbell. Face it, Ramsey was never in the picture. Too many turnovers at the worst possible time. Brunell is just better, and it's time to move forward. Basicly, Ramsey goes, I won't miss him. We'll be to busy moving foward to being a respectable franchise again. :D

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THANK YOU GIBBS FOR MAKING MY DAY!!!!

AMEN!!!

[36SKINS56]

Funny how things change. All of you hated Bruise-Well about a month ago. Gibbs has ruined his legacy and ruined our team. This season is down the drain. If we win 6 games, I will be suprised.

[Fred Jones]

This is as good a thread as any to say again that the media critics were right. All those media people said Ramsey would not last. They said he was not cut out to lead the team to victory. Hall of Fame QB's saying Ramsey does not have what it takes. Those same people said that Brunell won't last eight or nine games. I hope they are wrong about that prediction. They also said that Campbell would be in by the 10th game. I don't see that happening at all. At least, not until the 14th game or so.
I am just not very happy that so far the media pukes were right.

[Raub]

Yeehaw. I can't wait to watch a whole season of wide receiver screens and 8 man defensive fronts. :doh:

[darkhorse472]

We all knew that Ramsey was not Gibbs's guy by the Coach going out and bringing in Brunell and getting Campbell. But this move shocked me. I just hope that Gibbs privately told PR and the team that PR's decision making would make or break him. I don't know what the team is going to think. Do they think that Gibbs lied to Ramsey? That would NOT be good. Or, did the team already think that they would have a better chance to win with Brunell and Gibbs confirmed that and decided to put the best QB out there. That would be good.

As for the future, if Brunell does not play well or gets injured, I question the ability of Ramsey to be motivated to play well. Yes, he's a professional football player but he's also human. His chain has been yanked more times by the Redskins organization than anyone I can remember. I feel bad for the guy. But I also understand Gibbs's decision. He's got to try and win each game and do it with the players he trusts. I just hope Brunell plays well and doesn't get hurt, otherwise IMO the season will be lost.

[Renegade7]

So if I search this entire site, I won't find one post by you in support of PR being the future QB of this franchise? ;)

I wished he was the future. You'll find plenty of post stating that. :) Let me know what you find.

[Chachie]

I support the move, but not in a celebratory manner. I simply feel more comfortable with a healthy Mark Brunell under center.It's not that I think Patrick is a bad QB. I think he has the arm and the guts to be an awesome QB. But guys- he and Lavar Arrington have NEVER had the time to grow in the NFL under ONE offense with ONE coach. They have spent EVERY season as a "rookie." Imagine having 2-3 high school coaches in your 3-year run. Do you think you'd learn much about the grand scheme of the game? I doubt it.

Patrick Ramsey is an exciting talent but he's NOT ready yet to use it as a consistent asset to the Washington Redskins. He makes a fantastic #2 QB! I said the same thing about Brunell when Joe announced Ramsey as the #1. We have 2 really good QBs- one young and one VERY experienced. We also have what looks to be a VERY promising talent in Campbell who WILL have the time under ONE coach in ONE system. We're DEEP and we still have room to grow. We're also 1-0 and even though we have to go into the heart of Texas on Monday Night, at least we're going in with a QB that has seen it ALL. The Cowboys have one under center that's waiting for us.

[Hog Lover]

I think Ramsey

[Renegade7]

I think Ramsey

And I think you're crazy. :insane:

[Spaceman Spiff]

Brunell doesn't make as many bad decisions.

Brunell doesn't throw as many interceptions

Brunell is more mobile.

Brunell knows what it takes to win.

Brunell has been to the playoffs.

Do the math.

I know someone will come back and say "His arm isn't as strong, his arm isn't as strong!!"

To which I'll reply "It's not all about the arm strength"

[rdsknbill]

That's what I got to say thanks to the past couple of days. I'll admit, I had a very overrated weekend, missing the skins game working and all. But to not only have them win, but the future of this franchise officially set for success, I just want to cry tears of joy. I've been tired of Ramsey, and so is Gibbs. It's time for Brunell to earn his paycheck, being a servicable veteran, and then step aside for the true future Jason Campbell. Face it, Ramsey was never in the picture. Too many turnovers at the worst possible time. Brunell is just better, and it's time to move forward. Basicly, Ramsey goes, I won't miss him. We'll be to busy moving foward to being a respectable franchise again. :D

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THANK YOU GIBBS FOR MAKING MY DAY!!!!

Do me a favor. When your balls finally drop. Enlighten me with your opinion.

Yes, I am hating. :stfu:

Brunell is washed up and Gibbs is covering his mistake for signing this over the hill, mediocre (at best) qb. Remember these words? "Patrick Ramsey is the starting qb for the Washington Redskins"

Talk about a total falsehood of a statement. :no:

I'm going to effing love going to the game in TX next week watching us get killed, while you're at home popping zits. :finger:

Am I pissed???? need a text book to figure it out kid??????? :jerk:

[skinstzar]

Brunell cause Joe Gibbs said so

[Renegade7]

Do me a favor. When your balls finally drop. Enlighten me with your opinion.

Yes, I am hating. :stfu:

Brunell is washed up and Gibbs is covering his mistake for signing this over the hill, mediocre (at best) qb. Remember these words? "Patrick Ramsey is the starting qb for the Washington Redskins"

Talk about a total falsehood of a statement. :no:

I'm going to effing love going to the game in TX next week watching us get killed, while you're at home popping zits. :finger:

Am I pissed???? need a text book to figure it out kid??????? :jerk:


AH HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!

I can't wait for the dallas game. And I'll remember this post, too. :laugh:

[mookie0720]

If Gibbs had named Ramsey the starter the results of this poll would be completely different.

Some of you need to form your own opinion instead of just thinking whatever Gibbs thinks.

[TheLongshot]

Kinda hard to have confidence in a guy who could barely throw for a 100 yds a game last year.

All you Brunell lovers, you got your wish. At least two years before we have the potential for great QBing again, since Campbell isn't remotly ready.

Jason

[triple6mafia]

I don't know if this thread was a joke, but i am really sad right now. I almost feel as though we are giving up on the season becuase Campbell will be in there soon when brunell continues to play poorly.

[redskin48]

good move gibbs. Mark will be a lot better now that he is healthy

[jomo983]

He was healthy for most of last season and he could still barely throw for 100 yards a game.

Brunell can't throw the ball down field period and thats the major component we lacked last year

I cant wait till we get destroyed in Dallas because brunell cant get points on the scoreboard

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

I agree with others. This is just the first move to usher in the Campbell era.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

I cant wait till we get destroyed in Dallas because brunell cant get points on the scoreboard
stop talking out your keister. you'll be just as mad as the rest of us if we lose. Does this mean you're pulling for Dallas?


seriously guys
PR's in his 4th season yet people excuse him like a rookie. He will never be a star in this league.

[TheSteve]

Aren't lowered expectations great? With Ramsey, we were expected(from our fans) to challenge for a playoff spot. Now, with Brunell, we might just eek in if we dont turn it over. Oh well. Here's to another rebuildment and we have a championship defense getting wasted to boot.

[myzhi]

Brunell doesn't make as many bad decisions.

Brunell doesn't throw as many interceptions

Brunell is more mobile.

Brunell knows what it takes to win.

Brunell has been to the playoffs.

Do the math.

I know someone will come back and say "His arm isn't as strong, his arm isn't as strong!!"

To which I'll reply "It's not all about the arm strength"


Lets do the math:

Doesn't throw TD either.

Mobile = rings. Look at how many Vick has.

3-6 under MB.

Sure as hell didnt come close to making the playoffs.

Think it's time to go back to pre-school kid. Maybe writing "Veteran and Safe" 1 million times on the chalkboard will win us a super bowl in about 10 years.

[Phat Hog]

Why did so many of you cry and moan about the media saying this exact same thing only to now openly admit it?




:doh:

Is 'irony' a good word here, Destino? ;)

[fpickering]

Brunell doesn't make as many bad decisions.

Brunell doesn't throw as many interceptions

Brunell is more mobile.

Brunell knows what it takes to win.

Brunell has been to the playoffs.

Do the math.

I know someone will come back and say "His arm isn't as strong, his arm isn't as strong!!"

To which I'll reply "It's not all about the arm strength"

Here is some math....

Brunell had 70 yards passing in 3 quarters of play on Sunday and each pass was for an average of 5 yards.

Brunell passed for 1194 yards last season in 9 games last season, 133 yards per game. Each pass was for an average of 5 yards.

He failed to pass for 100 yards in 5 games. His game against Dallas was his best by far and was almost 1/3 of his TOTAL SEASON YARDAGE.

How anyone can forget these simple facts is beyond me.

[Walking Deadman]

Jeeze.....I'm just kinda stunned by this one.
I supported MB last year until the Bengals game
I supported Ramsey after he took over.
Now I guess I'm supporting Brunell again.....I hate to say this, but I didn't see the "zip" in his arm yesterday that we saw in preseason. Brunell did manage the game better than PR (yes, less turnovers), but Patrick seemed to hit more bigger plays....

This is a hard one......I'm not taking sides like many of you want to do.
I just want the Skins to win damn it!!!!!!!!

Go D, Go Clinton Portis, Go Betts, Go Dirtbags.......just win fellas and beat Dallas

[Skinned]

I think Gibbs reasoning is probably simple. With the way that Brunell has played this preseason, Gibbs does not want to miss out on the opportunity to have the QB he dreamed about having when he traded for the guy. I know many of you will say all the usual comebacks (70 yds passing, can't go deep, etc.), but I think those are all weak arguments. I think the 70 yds passing was because Gibbs knew this game would be won in a grind it out fashion and he didn't want to take too many risks. As for the arm, I protest. He showed a great arm in the preseason. How quickly we forget the TD to Farris as well as the bomb that Brown muffed.... Brunell defintely has an adequate arm and the superior accuracy. I just don't think that Gibbs feels he has the time to waste to "experiment" with Ramsey. He wants to have the QB he thought he was getting last year. i don't think he can take another 5-11 or 6-10 type year. He needs to contend now!

I loved Patrick's heart and effort, but I too want to win, and feel that Brunell gives us the better chance of doing so.

[Lil Kenzo]

IF we start losing. I say we put in Campbell, let him start to develop early, and start planning for next season.

[HeHateMe]

I wished he was the future. You'll find plenty of post stating that. :) Let me know what you find.

I know, I'm just messing with ya R7. :)

But I know from experience (Quincy Carter) how it stings to wish then be very disappointed in the end.

[Stucon]

He played less than one half and had an interception, and two fumbles (one we recovered). He scored no points. He is ineffective in play action and he can not disguise the handoff from a pass. He is susceptible to sacks because of his lack of mobility and inability to read defenses. His pre-season stats reinforced this.

Gibbs know this. Its better to make the move know prior to the big game coming up. If Brunell is ineffective, lets go to the rookie. Ramsey is NOT the future.

[sammino]

He played less than one half and had an interception, and two fumbles (one we recovered). He scored no points. He is ineffective in play action and he can not disguise the handoff from a pass. He is susceptible to sacks because of his lack of mobility and inability to read defenses. His pre-season stats reinforced this.

Gibbs know this. Its better to make the move know prior to the big game coming up. If Brunell is ineffective, lets go to the rookie. Ramsey is NOT the future.

Very well put.. this is what I am seeing as well but it seems a lot of people fail to see.. they say well he had 100 some yards.. he didnt have enough of an oppportunity.. but it seems that every week there is an excuse for him.. hell, every year there is an excuse for him.. i think FINALLY, gibbs put his foot down and said to himself, thats it, enough chances, lets go with what I and everyone else sees, and go with Brunnel.

[Doctorfro]

Everyone keeps talking about Ramsey's turnovers. Granted, the one pick is an overthrow. The fumble was an illegal play and should have been overturned. You know the league has already heard about this one. Pat was moving the ball throwing which opens up the running game. That ain't gonna happen with "scott". Brunell got his chance last year, why can't Ramsey have his? This is crap. Gibbs has alzheimers. And from the sound of it, he'd better have police protection because there are some angry fans.

[TK]

Do me a favor. When your balls finally drop. Enlighten me with your opinion.

Yes, I am hating. :stfu:

Brunell is washed up and Gibbs is covering his mistake for signing this over the hill, mediocre (at best) qb. Remember these words? "Patrick Ramsey is the starting qb for the Washington Redskins"

Talk about a total falsehood of a statement. :no:

I'm going to effing love going to the game in TX next week watching us get killed, while you're at home popping zits. :finger:

Am I pissed???? need a text book to figure it out kid??????? :jerk:
That's a pretty disrespectful post. Pissed or not, I never thought I'd see something like that from you Bill.

Did someone hack your account?

[Johnny Punani2]

He was healthy for most of last season and he could still barely throw for 100 yards a game.

Brunell can't throw the ball down field period and thats the major component we lacked last year

I cant wait till we get destroyed in Dallas because brunell cant get points on the scoreboard

This is simply not true. Brunell still wasn't 100% all last season after that bad hamstring pull. That is the reason why he had no "zip" on the ball. You would be surprised how much you need your legs to throw a football. Now that he is healthy you can see a big difference in the strength and accuracy of his throws. He also doesn't make the mental errors Ramsey still has a problem with. Brunell can throw accurate short and medium range passes and has a better touch on the ball. Ramsey couldn't do this to save his life.




Brunell give us a better chance of getting a win then Ramsey. That's reality...

[TheLongshot]

Everyone keeps talking about Ramsey's turnovers. Granted, the one pick is an overthrow. The fumble was an illegal play and should have been overturned. You know the league has already heard about this one. Pat was moving the ball throwing which opens up the running game. That ain't gonna happen with "scott". Brunell got his chance last year, why can't Ramsey have his? This is crap. Gibbs has alzheimers. And from the sound of it, he'd better have police protection because there are some angry fans.

Not to mention the overthrow wouldn't have been an INT if Patton cleared out. I have no clue why both Moss and Patton were in the same space.

The same that Brunell didn't lead the offense to three field goals. All he had to do was hand off... :rolleyes:

Jason

[Eparadox]

Yeah, I'm gonna love seeing 8 men in the box on every down, Clinton Portis getting stuffed at the line, and us losing most of our games 14-10, 17-13...oh joy

[WVSkinsfan]

So if I search this entire site, I won't find one post by you in support of PR being the future QB of this franchise? ;)


Exactly Hehateme,all these guys that are glad that Brunell is starting next week are the same ones that was calling for his head last year and wanting Ramsey to start. :laugh: :laugh:

[Skins11]

Haha. Hilarious. Cheering for Brunell to start. If ANYTHING good comes of this, it is maybe Campbell getting some reps.

You were honestly tired of Ramsey? I was downright angry with Brunell, what with the worst QB rating in the league last year, a sub .500 completion percentage, a fear of getting hit, and lame duck passes that murdered our receivers. Let's all forget how much better the team did with Ramsey last year.

Being tired of Ramsey but not Brunell is just ludicrous blind homerism. Maybe Gibbs is a genius and knows something we don't, but supporting the sentiment the way you did is just nonsensical.

[Skinned]

Yeah, I'm gonna love seeing 8 men in the box on every down, Clinton Portis getting stuffed at the line, and us losing most of our games 14-10, 17-13...oh joy

Yeah, because Ramsey has been just lighting it up lately... :doh:

Aside from the Bears game where we ran the heck out of the ball and played conservatively to get a win, Brunell has put the ball in the air the entire preseason. I fully expect to see him throwing the ball downfield next week. We didn't get Moss and Patten for nothing. Don't forget that Brunell threw sweet deep balls in the preseason to Farris for a TD and to Brown (which he muffed).

[method man]

Ramsey DID.

Trade him to Arizona.

So I can buy his Jersey.

He may still be young enough to be the young guy Denny Green grooms into a star. I feel Warner is gonna break Green's heart and McCown sucks ass so I feel Ramsey for an Arizona No. 3 is possible. If this does indeed happen, we have to get a quality backup because Brunell will get hurt sometime. I'm advocating signing Charlie Batch or fellow noodle-arm Tim Couch, which is pretty sad because he is the best one out there.

[HeHateMe]

Exactly Hehateme,all these guys that are glad that Brunell is starting next week are the same ones that was calling for his head last year and wanting Ramsey to start. :laugh: :laugh:

Its true.

But why bother?

Brunell is the man now, and when he gets pulled for Campbell, we'll be right back here doing this all over again. :)

[The Bounty Hunter #21]

It doesnt really matter bc we all know who the future of our franchise is...Mr. Cambell please stand up....

[flexxskins]

Wow, I can't believe how even this poll is. I voted Brunell simply because I am backing the head coachs dicision. However, I would have wanted Ramsey to get another chance.

[jtyler42]

I like Ramsey but I have to admit I'm tired of his mistakes, he makes to many of them...I think Brunell is what we need right now...

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

As I said before Ramey would get sacked 7 times by Dallas if he started against them. And when Patrick gets sacked there's always that heart stopping moment when you expect him to drop the ball as he's going down. He's always done that.

[medicio]

So Brunell did enough to win the job??
70 Yards passing in 3 qtrs damn we are in bad shape!!

[ST21]

If Ramsey is not the starter it should be Campbell not an old 38 year old who cannot even throw the ball past 20-yards. I would rather have a losing season with Campbell or Ramsey than win 9 games (if he can do that) with Brunnell. Mark my words.......

[ST21]

If Ramsey is not the starter it should be Campbell not an old 38 year old who cannot even throw the ball past 20-yards. I would rather have a losing season with Campbell or Ramsey than win 9 games (if he can do that) with Brunnell. Mark my words.......THERE IS NOT WAY BOOONELLL LEADS THIS TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS....THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR, THE YEAR AFTER. The guy needs to retire or be the backup period.

[fansince62]

while I thought PR deserved another few games to dispell the notion he could make it through 4 quarters without an INT or fumble.....the obvious has been set in motion: the JC era by mid-season. couple thoughts:

1) Earnest Byner pointed out that this was a decision arrived at by the entire O coaching staff....not just Joe

2) PR did it to himself....too many turnovers for far too many games.

3) We'll find out what sort of person PR is should MB be hurt. I think he'll rise to the ocassion if called upon....even if his future with the Skins is not long-term

4) The PR reactionaries are comical in the extreme: it's not about MB. He deserves and will get the same critical oversight. If he doesn't cut it move on to the next option. The point was that PR wasn't getting it done in the eyes of the coachin staff.

This was all very predictable - except for the timing - since the first preseason game when JG left PR in for an abnormally lengthy period of time. That was a clear "I aint happy signal." The bottom line is winning - I don't much care who is QB so long as the ledger reads as it should.

[rdsknbill]

AH HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!

I can't wait for the dallas game. And I'll remember this post, too. :laugh:


Now that I've had a good night sleep and have calmed down a little. Remember that post. I will be in Dallas Monday night at the game. I would love to be wrong, but I just don't see Brunell being effective against the Pukes. :2cents:

[kmast000]

I have to think that Brunell gives us a better chance on Monday night. Patrick has had the whole preseason to get it right. He just isn't looking off his receviers. All we need is decent QB play. We have a great supporting cast. The line is doing great, the running backs are great, and the defense is holding strong.

[Skinned]

If Ramsey is not the starter it should be Campbell not an old 38 year old who cannot even throw the ball past 20-yards. I would rather have a losing season with Campbell or Ramsey than win 9 games (if he can do that) with Brunnell. Mark my words.......THERE IS NOT WAY BOOONELLL LEADS THIS TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS....THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR, THE YEAR AFTER. The guy needs to retire or be the backup period.

So you would rather see us have a losing season than make the playoffs???? :doh:

Open your eyes people!! The big picture is still that we all (or most of us) still want the Skins to do as good as possible no matter who is behind center. That is Gibbs decision to make. I think Gibbs is scared of losing out on the Brunell of old which is what he has looked like all preseason! Don't judge Brunell by the Chicago game just because Gibbs ran a conservative offense; he did so because he knew we would need minimal offense to get the win, yet a loss was a possibility if we opened it up at all and made a mistake. I don't expect to see this same game-planning against most other teams on the schedule.

HTTR! :point2sky

[rdsknbill]

That's a pretty disrespectful post. Pissed or not, I never thought I'd see something like that from you Bill.

Did someone hack your account?

NO TK, I was just furious at the change. I came on to the site and unloaded on Renegade. I apologise for the venom but the emotions at the time were running high.

I know better

I apologise

[TimFolk]

That's what I got to say thanks to the past couple of days. I'll admit, I had a very overrated weekend, missing the skins game working and all. But to not only have them win, but the future of this franchise officially set for success, I just want to cry tears of joy. I've been tired of Ramsey, and so is Gibbs. It's time for Brunell to earn his paycheck, being a servicable veteran, and then step aside for the true future Jason Campbell. Face it, Ramsey was never in the picture. Too many turnovers at the worst possible time. Brunell is just better, and it's time to move forward. Basicly, Ramsey goes, I won't miss him. We'll be to busy moving foward to being a respectable franchise again. :D

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THANK YOU GIBBS FOR MAKING MY DAY!!!!


I was thinking the exact same thing, weirddd

[TimFolk]

Exactly Hehateme,all these guys that are glad that Brunell is starting next week are the same ones that was calling for his head last year and wanting Ramsey to start. :laugh: :laugh:

Not I offical Ramsey hater since '02

[cuchip703]

Face it. Neither one of these two would have been the Redskins starter 2 years from now. Basically the qb position is a lame duck position until Campbell is ready in 2007. While the decision to pull Ramsey angers me in that they didn't give him the chance they gave Brunell last year, it might be the right decision in the long run. What we saw of Brunell on Sunday was remarkably similar to what we saw of him last year. But lets remember two points. 1) the gameplan was for Ramsey as QB, not for Brunell. He did lead us on all three of those FG drives. (how many 3 and outs did we have on Sunday) 2.) Gibbs called plays with the confidence that his defense could stop Chicago at will. He had a conservative approach and it worked...a win is a win. Lets wait and see until Monday night whether this was the right decision. Brunell could come out and whip the ball around the field to Moss and Patten like he was in the preseason, or we could have the 2004 display on hand. He only thows the passes the coaches call. Its really up to Gibbs to drop the conservative approach he has with Brunell.

[fansince62]

cuchip.....nice, temperate post!

[Blade]

NO TK, I was just furious at the change. I came on to the site and unloaded on Renegade. I apologise for the venom but the emotions at the time were running high.

I know better

I apologise

Bill,

It takes a certain level of maturity to admit a mistake and apologize. I appreciate that.

Remember that ES has always been here for us to talk ball intelligently as well as to vent and commiserate when things go bad. We are all a family of passionate fans of our team, that is why we are here... lets not forget that.

I hope you will remember that the Staff here is doing its best to allow a balance of venting and commiseration while trying to limit the type verbal abuse that can follow heated debate.

Yours and EVERYONEs help in doing so would go a long way towards making this place the best it can be.

[rdsknbill]

Bill,

It takes a certain level of maturity to admit a mistake and apologize. I appreciate that.

Remember that ES has always been here for us to talk ball intelligently as well as to vent and commiserate when things go bad. We are all a family of passionate fans of our team, that is why we are here... lets not forget that.

I hope you will remember that the Staff here is doing its best to allow a balance of venting and commiseration while trying to limit the type verbal abuse that can follow heated debate.

Yours and EVERYONEs help in doing so would go a long way towards making this place the best it can be.

You want to hear something really funny???

I was at home, raging about it last night, and my wife looks at me and says "You know, I don't like it either, but what are we going to do about it??? NOTHING!!!"

Damn women are so smart sometimes :laugh:

[tizzod]

Ramsey DID.

Trade him to Arizona.

So I can buy his Jersey.

Ohhh, that would be sweet! I might move to AZ!

[tizzod]

I hate to say this, but I didn't see the "zip" in his arm yesterday that we saw in preseason.

So according to you, he had "zip" in the preseason, but somehow just now because it happens to be the regular season that "zip" has somehow magically disappeared? Come on.

[SKINS#56]

For those who berate Joe's decision to go with Brunell and bring to mind last season's woes please consider that Brunell was not healthy last season. Consistently Mark has shown a strong arm, healthy legs and good decision making thus far this season and to a large degree throughout his entire career. We may now have the Brunell that we originally thought we were getting.HTTR

[tizzod]

Maybe Gibbs is a genius and knows something we don't,

Maybe? MAYBE??? What planet are you on?

[JLMRacing]

Who cares who the QB is?? I just want to beat Dallas and win games. If Gibbs thinks Brunell can get the job done we should back his decision and move forward. (IN Gibbs I Trust) !! :notworthy

[GoSkinsGo]

Brunell had no zip on the pass I was at the game. Everyone saying he lit up the Preseason he played against second and third stringers.

Gibbs isn't calling the plays this year guys, and the play calling dropped ten fold in aggresiveness when ol noodle came in. He can manage a game yes. But the only way we go better than .500 this year is if we can pull an 2000 ravens. Our defense is good but not that good.

Combine that fact that are kicker is hurt and it does not look to hot.

How is everyone going to feel if we gave up a top ten or top five pick this year for campbell?

[Boss_Hogg]

The fat guy who sits outside of the Best Buy in DC and calls everyone a homosexual...he has a better chance.

[Skinned]

Brunell had no zip on the pass I was at the game. Everyone saying he lit up the Preseason he played against second and third stringers.

Gibbs isn't calling the plays this year guys, and the play calling dropped ten fold in aggresiveness when ol noodle came in. He can manage a game yes. But the only way we go better than .500 this year is if we can pull an 2000 ravens. Our defense is good but not that good.


So are you saying that after having watched the playcalling for Brunell during the preseason and the success he had, that 3/4 of football is enough to prove to you and all of us that the Skins don't feel he can do that against starters?

The man is a former Pro-Bowl QB who Gibbs wanted to head his offense. He has now shown he is healthy to do just that and you want to point to last year. Why don't you point to the improvement he showed in the preseason and admit that we never saw THIS Brunell last year. The Chicago game was destined to be a low-scoring affair and it is true Gibbs style to scratch and claw for a victory, while minimizing TO's and thus the risk of losing the game. I don't expect this same gameplan to be in effect every week, but against Chicago Gibbs wanted to make sure they got a W.

[ross3909]

IF we start losing. I say we put in Campbell, let him start to develop early, and start planning for next season.

I agree. Couldn't hurt. I would give Brunell till half the season is over and then put in the kid.

[ross3909]

while I thought PR deserved another few games to dispell the notion he could make it through 4 quarters without an INT or fumble.....the obvious has been set in motion: the JC era by mid-season. couple thoughts:

1) Earnest Byner pointed out that this was a decision arrived at by the entire O coaching staff....not just Joe

2) PR did it to himself....too many turnovers for far too many games.

3) We'll find out what sort of person PR is should MB be hurt. I think he'll rise to the ocassion if called upon....even if his future with the Skins is not long-term

4) The PR reactionaries are comical in the extreme: it's not about MB. He deserves and will get the same critical oversight. If he doesn't cut it move on to the next option. The point was that PR wasn't getting it done in the eyes of the coachin staff.

This was all very predictable - except for the timing - since the first preseason game when JG left PR in for an abnormally lengthy period of time. That was a clear "I aint happy signal." The bottom line is winning - I don't much care who is QB so long as the ledger reads as it should.

Where did you hear this about the coaching staff?

[ZoEd]

Haha. Hilarious. Cheering for Brunell to start. If ANYTHING good comes of this, it is maybe Campbell getting some reps.

You were honestly tired of Ramsey? I was downright angry with Brunell, what with the worst QB rating in the league last year, a sub .500 completion percentage, a fear of getting hit, and lame duck passes that murdered our receivers. Let's all forget how much better the team did with Ramsey last year.

Being tired of Ramsey but not Brunell is just ludicrous blind homerism. Maybe Gibbs is a genius and knows something we don't, but supporting the sentiment the way you did is just nonsensical.

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN! Couldn't have said it better myself. You just summed up everything I've said in several different threads today.

So what most of the people opposed to our disgust with this decision want us to think is that Gibbs is the all knowing and we should just sit at home and worship the ground he walks on because he's the Alpah and Omega of football. Can one person on this site tell me honestly that Gibbs' decision to keep Brunell as starter last year was a good decision? Sorry but I don't think anyone can honestly admit that. That alone should have you questioning this decision. Questioning this decision doesn't make you a PR fan it makes you a concerned Redskin fan.

[Skinned]

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN! Couldn't have said it better myself. You just summed up everything I've said in several different threads today.

So what most of the people opposed to our disgust with this decision want us to think is that Gibbs is the all knowing and we should just sit at home and worship the ground he walks on because he's the Alpah and Omega of football. Can one person on this site tell me honestly that Gibbs' decision to keep Brunell as starter last year was a good decision? Sorry but I don't think anyone can honestly admit that. That alone should have you questioning this decision. Questioning this decision doesn't make you a PR fan it makes you a concerned Redskin fan.

I think we are all concerned Redskin fans.

I think that all of us have tunnel-vision on what we want to believe as the facts in this case. Unfortunately, I don't see choosing Brunell as "blind homerism". I see it as being realistic. If I am wrong I too will eat crow, but I think the Brunell we have seen in preseason is not the same Brunell that you and many others seem to see. Ramsey gets excuse after excuse for his pre-season and now Week 1 performance, yet Brunell only gets the ole "look at last season". That is not what Brunell is being judged by now. And to be fair, if you are to look at last season's savior in Ramsey, and then compare to this years performance, you can't be pleased because there is NO or minimal improvement.

[Dallsux]

That's what I got to say thanks to the past couple of days. I'll admit, I had a very overrated weekend, missing the skins game working and all. But to not only have them win, but the future of this franchise officially set for success, I just want to cry tears of joy. I've been tired of Ramsey, and so is Gibbs. It's time for Brunell to earn his paycheck, being a servicable veteran, and then step aside for the true future Jason Campbell. Face it, Ramsey was never in the picture. Too many turnovers at the worst possible time. Brunell is just better, and it's time to move forward. Basicly, Ramsey goes, I won't miss him. We'll be to busy moving foward to being a respectable franchise again. :D

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THANK YOU GIBBS FOR MAKING MY DAY!!!!


:doh: unreal.

I think you are jumping the gun way too fast & trying to speak for other people in circumstances that you are not privy to. How do you know that Gibbs isn't just being overly careful with PRs injury?

Mark my words. All you people who are HAPPY to see Brunell in there & are "tired" of a QB who has only had 24 starts in his now 4th year, will be wanting Ramsey back in before ya know it.

[nneece]

That's what I got to say thanks to the past couple of days. I'll admit, I had a very overrated weekend, missing the skins game working and all. But to not only have them win, but the future of this franchise officially set for success, I just want to cry tears of joy. I've been tired of Ramsey, and so is Gibbs. It's time for Brunell to earn his paycheck, being a servicable veteran, and then step aside for the true future Jason Campbell. Face it, Ramsey was never in the picture. Too many turnovers at the worst possible time. Brunell is just better, and it's time to move forward. Basicly, Ramsey goes, I won't miss him. We'll be to busy moving foward to being a respectable franchise again. :D

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THANK YOU GIBBS FOR MAKING MY DAY!!!!

'the future of this franchise officially set for success'? What you smokin'? I hope you are referring to JC.

[nneece]

Face it. Neither one of these two would have been the Redskins starter 2 years from now. Basically the qb position is a lame duck position until Campbell is ready in 2007. While the decision to pull Ramsey angers me in that they didn't give him the chance they gave Brunell last year, it might be the right decision in the long run. What we saw of Brunell on Sunday was remarkably similar to what we saw of him last year. But lets remember two points. 1) the gameplan was for Ramsey as QB, not for Brunell. He did lead us on all three of those FG drives. (how many 3 and outs did we have on Sunday) 2.) Gibbs called plays with the confidence that his defense could stop Chicago at will. He had a conservative approach and it worked...a win is a win. Lets wait and see until Monday night whether this was the right decision. Brunell could come out and whip the ball around the field to Moss and Patten like he was in the preseason, or we could have the 2004 display on hand. He only thows the passes the coaches call. Its really up to Gibbs to drop the conservative approach he has with Brunell.

You're correct. Exactly what we need, another rebuilding year. 2007, let's just wait til 2010.

[Renegade7]

:doh: unreal.

I think you are jumping the gun way too fast & trying to speak for other people in circumstances that you are not privy to. How do you know that Gibbs isn't just being overly careful with PRs injury?

Mark my words. All you people who are HAPPY to see Brunell in there & are "tired" of a QB who has only had 24 starts in his now 4th year, will be wanting Ramsey back in before ya know it.

He was cleared to play a little while after the hit, but Gibbs kept him out. If it wasn't so serious, he wouldn't have named Brunell the starter for the Dallas game. There's nothing to recover from, he's cleared. As much as I wanted Ramsey in my heart to win the job and take us to the promise land, my gut told it wasn't going to happen. I'm tired of the turnovers, been tired, and I'm glad it's finally over.

[Renegade7]

'the future of this franchise officially set for success'? What you smokin'? I hope you are referring to JC.

no sh*t :)

[GSF]

Renegade,
I remember busting your chops a bit when you first joined, but I have to tell you that you are pretty damn sharp for a 17 year old. Nice job.

[s0crates]

i agree 100% . Lose the turnovers and we have a great team. So, if you turn the ball over too much (like every quarter) then your on the bench. That solves that problem.

[s0crates]

I think Gibbs reasoning is probably simple. With the way that Brunell has played this preseason, Gibbs does not want to miss out on the opportunity to have the QB he dreamed about having when he traded for the guy. I know many of you will say all the usual comebacks (70 yds passing, can't go deep, etc.), but I think those are all weak arguments. I think the 70 yds passing was because Gibbs knew this game would be won in a grind it out fashion and he didn't want to take too many risks. As for the arm, I protest. He showed a great arm in the preseason. How quickly we forget the TD to Farris as well as the bomb that Brown muffed.... Brunell defintely has an adequate arm and the superior accuracy. I just don't think that Gibbs feels he has the time to waste to "experiment" with Ramsey. He wants to have the QB he thought he was getting last year. i don't think he can take another 5-11 or 6-10 type year. He needs to contend now!

I loved Patrick's heart and effort, but I too want to win, and feel that Brunell gives us the better chance of doing so.

right on!

[SkinFanZim]

Coach Gibbs wants to play his veterans. Ramsey has more physical skills than Brunell, but seems to take too long to make a decision on what to do with the ball on too many plays. That indecision would lead to a lot of turnovers, IMO.

[budski]

I still think Gibbs believes in Ramsey, but right now Brunell is the best choice for Dallas.
He wont get rattled, of which the Dallas Defense would do to ramsey.
Ramsey's just got too uptight, and not seeing everything thats why he got benched.
So what. He will be back later this year.
Alot people have said Gibbs cant stand the penalties and turnovers what coach doesnt, Gibbs is managing this team for wins thats all we can ask.

[budski]

And another thing a win in Dallas would be huge for this teams confidence and Gibbs knows that just as much as anyone and is planning accordingly.
Dont think our defense doesnt remember that last play last year. They want some revenge.