thewarpath.net: Ramsey/Brunell: a closer look - matty dread

[spanishomelette]

Ramsey/Brunell: a closer look
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=7780
by matty dread (http://extremeskins.com/forums/member.php?u=1092)
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Ok, I let myself dwell on this whole thing for a few hours before making a post. Here's my take.

First let me preface this by saying I like Ramsey and I was really hoping for him to be the man this season. I think he's a talented QB and still has a bright future in this league.

The only thing I ask is that you clear your mind for a moment and think about this objectively. I know as fans we get very emotional and we sometimes get attached to players, whether they're good players or not. But in the end, all that matters is winning football games, and that's what Coach Gibbs is trying to do here. He's not trying to play games, he's not trying to hurt anybody's feelings, he's trying to win games, period, end of discussion.

Ok, here's my view on the change. This idea that Ramsey didn't have a fair shot this year is false. He had the commitment of the staff since the 2004 season ended. He received the majority of the offseason work as the starter, and that carried over into training camp where he took 90% of the snaps in practice. He was given 4 preseason games to stake his claim as the starter. Despite some very shaky performances, Gibbs didn't waver, he stuck with Ramsey when he very easily could have slipped Brunell in there for a start or two.

Can anyone honestly say that based on what we saw from Ramsey this preseason, that he earned the starting job. Before you answer, just think about that a moment. Did he really earn the starting job? If you say yes, please explain what he did this preseason to earn the job. I'd love to hear it.

He threw 4 INTs against 2 TDs in the preseason with a QB rating of 65, and the INTs he threw were the kind of INTs that made you say "Huh? What was he thinking?"

Meanwhile, Brunell's play in the preseason was efficient and turnover free with a QB rating just over 85. Yes it was against backups, but there was a definite improvement in his game, that can't be denied. His trademark accuracy was back, his passes showed zip, he was mobile and moving around in the pocket, and in general he seemed to have a much better feel and control of this offense. Ramsey on the other hand never looked settled or in control.

Perhaps in the end, the biggest mistake Gibbs made was sticking by Ramsey too long this preseason. Or perhaps it goes back further than that, he probably should have opened up the QB competition heading into training camp and let the best man win.

The thing that's concerned me about Ramsey is he's actually looked worse so far this year than he did at the end of last year. Perhaps now we can see why Gibbs ran such a scaled back offense last year with him in there. Perhaps that's why all we saw Ramsey throw were short dink and dunks, maybe that's all he could handle. Fast forward to this year, Gibbs opened up the playbook and look what's happened. Ramsey has the happy feet again, he's holding on to the ball too long, he's indecisive, he's throwing INTs and coughing the ball up when hit. Those are signs of a QB who's not comfortable and doesn't have a firm grip on the offense.

Again, try to take the emotion out of this. Ramsey is still a work in progress, let's face it. Will he improve with time, yeah maybe he will. But after what happened last year, I don't think Gibbs is willing to make the same mistake of sticking with a struggling QB too long.

This team has the elements to be a playoff team this year. Portis looks poised for a big year, and Betts adds a great 1-2 punch to the running attack. The offensive line is much improved over a year ago. We have speed and playmaking ability at the WR position. And needless to say the defense is lights out as expected. The missing element? Stability and efficiency at the QB position, something that Ramsey can't give us right now. You might say, but what did Ramsey do yesterday to lose the job? He shouldn't lose the job due to injury. I answer with, so we should just ignore the 2 fumbles and 1 INT in 3 series worth of work? That sure didn't help his case, that's for sure.

I'll say it again, I like Ramsey, I really do. I think he's got a good future in this league, but right now Brunell appears to be the better option at QB. Put last year out of your mind with Brunell and just focus on what we've seen from him in 2005. He's played well and gives us the best chance to win right now.

I give Gibbs credit for having the guts to make a very difficult decision, but in the end could prove to be a very smart one.

[joef44]

Could not of said this any better.

[Chris 44]

Very well said.

[gortiz]

I agree, I think Gibbs has the team in mind. I feel rotten about the change cause I got attached to Ramsey,and now its not like he is just going to sit. His days here are numbered after this move.

One thing that my shakes my faith in Gibb's decision making is his call to make Rasmsey the starter last year? I agreed with that decision, and now its blown up in our face .... that just makes this decision now to make Brunell the starter a little more harder to believe in. Basically, it would set my mind at ease if we had a little more of an explanation? Why so quickly with the change?

[EvoSkins]

Right now Brunell appears to be the better option at QB.

Lets hope. Well written article. Most people agree that based on on-field performance (and disregarding last year), Brunell has looked better. The manner of which Gibbs yanked the carpet out fom under Ramsey is the problem. Ramsey's injury was the moment of opportunity Gibbs was looking for.

I do agree that starting Brunell gives the Skins the best opportunity to win this season, however, I don't agree with the manner of which he got the job.

[gw21502]

I agree, I think Gibbs has the team in mind. I feel rotten about the change cause I got attached to Ramsey,and now its not like he is just going to sit. His days here are numbered after this move.

One thing that my shakes my faith in Gibb's decision making is his call to make Rasmsey the starter last year? I agreed with that decision, and now its blown up in our face .... that just makes this decision now to make Brunell the starter a little more harder to believe in. Basically, it would set my mind at ease if we had a little more of an explanation? Why so quickly with the change?

My only concern is this........what if Brunnell throws 4 int's and has 2 fumbles and we lose to the Cowboys? Then what? Will he be patient with Brunnell or will he put Ramsey back in? I don't think Patrick is getting a fair shake, period. 3 offensive series? It's pathetic. I've lost a ton of respect for Gibbs.

[themurf]

As a Patrick Ramsey supporter I have to say that was very well written. I guess people can differ on opinions without all the name calling and personal shots ...

[barefoot]

personally, I think it all comes down to turnovers, JG football stresses no TO's. That's got to be the reason. I like PR more than MB, I really do, but I'll admit that the int's scare the heck outta me.

[Jrredskin]

I think that we all see it now.... whether we want to or not.... Ramsey’s days here are numbered. I have been a huge Ramsey apologist but deep down in places I don't like to go I know that this is the right move.... (sigh). Time to strap it up and put on the game face for Dallas.

[SkinsGuy]

Nicely said. :)

This team has an unbelievable defense, a superb running game (Portis and Betts are a great tandem), fleet WRs that get open, a strong O-Line that will just get better, special teams that are playing great, and some of the best coaching minds in the history of the NFL.

All it needs now is a good manager at QB.

Folks misunderstand the term "managing the QB position" when it's used. They get images of the 2000 Ravens offense and Trent Dilfer just holding on and trying to score 10 points cause the Ravens 'D' will get thier own TD and hold the other team to 7.

A good manager, whether on the football field or in business, is someone who is bright, efficent, organized, a leader, and keeps things moving. If there is a glitch or a mistake, that person knows how to figure things out and overcome it.

That is what Brunell gives Coach Gibbs right now. Someone who won't make the drive-killing mistakes. No, he won't be Peyton Manning and throw 50 TDs, but he doesn't have to be. Brunell, along with Portis, Betts, Cooley, Moss, Patten, etc. will keep this offense moving without the mistakes.

That's not to say Brunell won't throw the occasional int. or even fumble the ball. All QBs do. But nowhere near the frustrating level that Ramsey does.

Ramsey can be a good QB in this league. But this team needs, at least, a STABLE hand guiding at at QB right now. Things are just too wild and wooly when Ramsey is in there. It just seems out-of-control.

It needs a good manager. It needs Brunell's more steady hand.

And I think it will be more proficent than people believe. :)

[TimFolk]

Ramsey/Brunell: a closer look
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=7780
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I give Gibbs credit for having the guts to make a very difficult decision, but in the end could prove to be a very smart one.

:applause: :notworthy

[arkowi]

As I said in another thread. My heart is not happy, but my head agrees. I think thats the important point this article makes.

[More Complete]

My heart is not happy, but my head agrees. I think thats the important point this article makes.

Well said. :cheers:

[Gamebreaker]

I don't care how well written it is, he's still wrong. Three series is not "giving Ramsey a fair chance." Especially since he only made one bad pass in those 3 series. If someone can honestly say Ramsey got a fair shake, when Brunell should've been benched in Week 4, yet lasted to Week 9. That person is simply a homer who will ALWAYS change their position and agree with whatever Joe Gibbs says, period.

["Durel" Green]

"A good manager, whether on the football field or in business, is someone who is bright, efficent, organized, a leader, and keeps things moving. If there is a glitch or a mistake, that person knows how to figure things out and overcome it."

You really hit the nail on the head. Despite having the reputation of being a very bright guy coming out of college and otherwise, on the field, Ramsey has always seemed to be severly lacking in football smarts, game management, etc (or, for those Madden players, the old "awareness" rating.) In the preseason and admittedly short time he was in the game Sunday, he showed more of the same. That would seem to be the attribute that differentiates Brunell from Ramsey the most at this point in time. Hopefully Brunnel can show his preseason was not a fluke and stay injury free. I feel a lot more confident with him heading into Monday night in Dallas then I would have with Ramsey, that's for sure.

[codeorama]

As a Patrick Ramsey supporter I have to say that was very well written. I guess people can differ on opinions without all the name calling and personal shots ...


You ass.... :laugh: :laugh:

[bobzmuda]

I don't care how well written it is, he's still wrong. Three series is not "giving Ramsey a fair chance." Especially since he only made one bad pass in those 3 series.

You should read the article. It's pretty good. It talks about how Ramsey had all off-season and pre-season to show he could not turn the ball over. Pretty good point, eh?


If someone can honestly say Ramsey got a fair shake, when Brunell should've been benched in Week 4, yet lasted to Week 9. That person is simply a homer who will ALWAYS change their position and agree with whatever Joe Gibbs says, period.

Why do you think Ramsey didn't come in earlier? Here's a novel thought--he was turning the ball over way too much then as well. The only reason the Skins went with Ramsey last season was that it was obvious that Brunell, for injuries or whatever reason, simply couldn't get anything moving. The Redskins suffered through Ramsey's turnovers because they didn't have much of a choice if they wanted to move the ball at all. They have a choice now.

[swissarmy47]

Our offense needs the deep ball. We went out and got fast receivers just for that purpose - to get the Defenses to respect that and not crowd the line so we can run a little. Brunell cannot throw the deep ball. In the preseason I saw Ramsey complete the deep ball. I saw big plays with Ramsey.

We're just repeating last year now. 70 yards passing in 3 quarters is not good.

[sableholic]

Lets hope. Well written article. Most people agree that based on on-field performance (and disregarding last year), Brunell has looked better. The manner of which Gibbs yanked the carpet out fom under Ramsey is the problem. Ramsey's injury was the moment of opportunity Gibbs was looking for.

I do agree that starting Brunell gives the Skins the best opportunity to win this season, however, I don't agree with the manner of which he got the job.


exactly, there is the problem. The manner it was done. not the decision.

[hercules]

Remember when Ramsey was getting pummeled in the Spurrier offense? Eventually he got injured and Hasselbeck came in. Suddenly, the offense wasn't giving up as many sacks. All along I thought it was simply Spurrier's hair-brained offensive schemes that got Ramsey killed, but why didn't it get Hasselbeck killed? Because unlike Ramsey, he had some pocket presence.

I really wanted Ramsey to succeed and be the team's future QB. Unfortunately, he hasn't shown much improvement since his rookie season. First quarter of the season and he's getting clobbered like he's still in the Spurrier offense. Brunell may not have the strongest arm, but he can get out of trouble in the pocket and still make a play.

["Durel" Green]

Brunell cannot throw the deep ball. In the preseason I saw Ramsey complete the deep ball. I saw big plays with Ramsey.

When? I remember Ramsey displaying his usual inaccuracy on the deep stuff. He does a much better job with the 20-30 yards ropes, where he can just wing it as hard as possible directly at his receiver, rather than the deep routes, where some touch/placement/arc on the ball is needed. The nice throws Ramsey did make on Sunday were those intermediate ropes. I think Brunell actually showed much more on the deep sideline routes in the preseason than Ramsey.

[Brown 43]

My only concern is this........what if Brunnell throws 4 int's and has 2 fumbles and we lose to the Cowboys? Then what? Will he be patient with Brunnell or will he put Ramsey back in? I don't think Patrick is getting a fair shake, period. 3 offensive series? It's pathetic. I've lost a ton of respect for Gibbs.


That's the whole point here, Brunnell probably won't turn the ball over that many times. Ramsey probably would? :(

[terpfan]

Of course, this all hinges on Brunell actually being better than last year. Sure, he looked good against backups, but I'm still not sure I trust that, and he didnt look very good against Chicago. If Brunell is just as bad as last year, we will suck again, and that scares me as much as Ramsey does.

[Windy City Skins fan]

I actually hope teams underestimate Brunell's arm this year. On the pass interference called back interception to Vasher on Sunday if Moss (I believe it was Moss) wasn't held as he was cutting in on the route, he would have been right there where the ball would have been (at least it would have been a jump ball between Vasher and Moss).

That would have been a very accurate deep pass.

[bobzmuda]

Our offense needs the deep ball. We went out and got fast receivers just for that purpose - to get the Defenses to respect that and not crowd the line so we can run a little. Brunell cannot throw the deep ball. In the preseason I saw Ramsey complete the deep ball. I saw big plays with Ramsey.

We're just repeating last year now. 70 yards passing in 3 quarters is not good.

You saw just one more big play with Ramsey. This preseason Ramsey has 6 completions of over 20 yards, Brunell 5, and Campbell 4. That's not a huge difference in playmaking ability. In fact, Brunell had a couple of deep balls dropped, so the deep ball comparison doesn't play out in Ramsey's favor.

Now, if you factor in protecting the ball, Ramsey lost the ball 4 times this preseason compared to Brunell's 0 and Campbell's 4 times.

As such if you factor in the deep completion to protecting the ball ratio you'd see that Brunell completed nearly the same number of deep balls with much less chance for turning the ball over.

You're right that 70 yards passing in 3 quarters is not good. But last time I checked the WIN is the most important stat. Also, this is a run-first team. If you think otherwise with Gibbs, Bugel, Portis, Betts, and the line they've assembled, you're crazy. The Redskins were gashing the Bears in the 2nd half of the game; there was no need to go all June Jones.

[herrmag]

My only concern is this........what if Brunnell throws 4 int's and has 2 fumbles and we lose to the Cowboys? Then what? Will he be patient with Brunnell or will he put Ramsey back in? I don't think Patrick is getting a fair shake, period. 3 offensive series? It's pathetic. I've lost a ton of respect for Gibbs.

Why does everyone discount his poor preseason play? Or how about practice? Have you seen Ramsey in practice? Maybe MB performs 100 times better than PR in practice. If you think Gibbs made this decision based on the 3 series alone, then your ignorance astounds me :doh:

[Gamebreaker]

You should read the article. It's pretty good. It talks about how Ramsey had all off-season and pre-season to show he could not turn the ball over. Pretty good point, eh?



Why do you think Ramsey didn't come in earlier? Here's a novel thought--he was turning the ball over way too much then as well. The only reason the Skins went with Ramsey last season was that it was obvious that Brunell, for injuries or whatever reason, simply couldn't get anything moving. The Redskins suffered through Ramsey's turnovers because they didn't have much of a choice if they wanted to move the ball at all. They have a choice now.

I did read the article, I said that in my first post. Furthermore, Brunell didn't look much better in the off-season. Ramsey outplayed Brunell Sunday, I don't give a flying **** about what happened in the off-season. When Brunell continues to throw for under 100 yards a game, and Portis won't be able to find room to run, will you still be singing the same ol' tune or will you be calling for his head like last season?

[Gamebreaker]

Why does everyone discount his poor preseason play? Or how about practice? Have you seen Ramsey in practice? Maybe MB performs 100 times better than PR in practice. If you think Gibbs made this decision based on the 3 series alone, then your ignorance astounds me :doh:

Wow, more insults. I'm not surprised. I guess practice counts more than the game does.

[skinsfan93]

I don't care how well written it is, he's still wrong. Three series is not "giving Ramsey a fair chance." Especially since he only made one bad pass in those 3 series. If someone can honestly say Ramsey got a fair shake, when Brunell should've been benched in Week 4, yet lasted to Week 9. That person is simply a homer who will ALWAYS change their position and agree with whatever Joe Gibbs says, period.

Yes, Brunell should have been benched earlier last year than he did, but you fail to recognize at all that maybe Ramsey wasn't ready at all. Remember the game he comes in w/ the Giants? He showed glimpes as he always does but throws int after int.

I'm sure if Ramsey had played better in preseason last year and showed more in practice, Gibbs would have turned to him quicker than he did. You are only looking at things from a outside perspective.

[bobzmuda]

exactly, there is the problem. The manner it was done. not the decision.

As the article mentions, the biggest problem was that Gibbs expressed faith in Ramsey at the end of the season last year. He presumed that Ramsey would really grow up this year and learn to protect the ball. He didn't - Ramsey averaged about 2 turnovers per game last year and was on that same pace this preseason and regular season (if not on an increased rate).

Gibbs went out of his way to keep his word to Ramsey that he would start despite Brunell obviously outperforming him. Even when given multiple chances to show he could start and not turn the ball over Ramsey couldn't do it. Even during his regular season start Ramsey lost the ball 3 times in a quarter or so - an obvious regregression from last year and the pre-season.

Gibbs should have stated that Ramsey would have every opportunity to hold the starting position, but for other reasons Gibbs didn't.

[herrmag]

I did read the article, I said that in my first post. Furthermore, Brunell didn't look much better in the off-season. Ramsey outplayed Brunell Sunday, I don't give a flying **** about what happened in the off-season. When Brunell continues to throw for under 100 yards a game, and Portis won't be able to find room to run, will you still be singing the same ol' tune or will you be calling for his head like last season?

3 turnovers on 3 series is outplaying him?

[Gamebreaker]

I actually hope teams underestimate Brunell's arm this year. On the pass interference called back interception to Vasher on Sunday if Moss (I believe it was Moss) wasn't held as he was cutting in on the route, he would have been right there where the ball would have been (at least it would have been a jump ball between Vasher and Moss).

That would have been a very accurate deep pass.

That ball hung in the air long enough for both the safety and corner to have a chance at it. How is that accurate? Especially when you have a reciever who stands 5'10.

[Gamebreaker]

3 turnovers on 3 series is outplaying him?

Moving the ball without a running game is outplaying him. Even Gibbs didn't blame the last fumble on Ramsey, and Jansen recovered the other one. Let's not act like all of a sudden Ramsey is Kerry Collins when it comes to fumbles, especially since Brunell is known to fumble for TDs. :doh:

[MidPennSkin]

Ramsey's days here aren't necessarily numbered. He will probably play again this year (most backup QBs do play), and if he quits making mistakes and dumb decisions, then he can regain the starting job. If he can't improve, then he won't be around here or anywhere else in the NFL.

[cooleyisgod]

My only concern is this........what if Brunnell throws 4 int's and has 2 fumbles and we lose to the Cowboys? Then what? Will he be patient with Brunnell or will he put Ramsey back in? I don't think Patrick is getting a fair shake, period. 3 offensive series? It's pathetic. I've lost a ton of respect for Gibbs.
this was well said

[Califan007]

I still see nothing about an 8/14, 70 yards in three quarters, and 9 whopping points performance to feel secure about the change...especially when that performance came from a man who regularly was held to around a 50% completion rate, under 100 yards in a game, and around 10 points a game all last season.

I think some people run scared at the thought of an INT around here...believe it or not, the Skins ARE good enough to overcome them when they happen occasionally, no matter who's throwing them. In 9 starts last year Brunell threw six interceptions...in 7 starts last year Ramsey threw six as well.

[Doctorfro]

I can tell you this: I'm not a huge PR fan. I think he has some good/bad qualities. This whole thing revolves around continuity. JG made a huge mistake naming PR the QB for this season way back when. He should have made it an open comp again and let the best QB win. If Brunell was clearly better then you wouldn't have all this ill will. Granted, many people would not have been happy with choosing Brunell after he tanked last year but it would have gone down better had Joe simply let them fight it out in preseason. Joe said something about improving the vertical game and they got some guys who can get downfield. Now we have to wait for Joe to make another change before we can get those guys the ball (except for the beloved screen pass).

[Califan007]

Can anyone honestly say that based on what we saw from Ramsey this preseason, that he earned the starting job. Before you answer, just think about that a moment. Did he really earn the starting job? If you say yes, please explain what he did this preseason to earn the job. I'd love to hear it.
By that same logic, Ben Roethlisberger did absolutely nothing to earn the starting job this preseason, either...I mean, he did nothing. But...if you take into consideration his play from last year, where he DID do a helluva lot, then you stick with him regardless of his level of play in the preseason. You keep starting him, even if it starts to look like he's regressed...

Ramsey didn't do nearly as much last season as Big Ben, obviously...but if you use the same standards, then he did more than enough last season for Gibbs to announce him as the starter before the season even ended.

[Doctorfro]

Yes, Brunell should have been benched earlier last year than he did, but you fail to recognize at all that maybe Ramsey wasn't ready at all. Remember the game he comes in w/ the Giants? He showed glimpes as he always does but throws int after int.

I'm sure if Ramsey had played better in preseason last year and showed more in practice, Gibbs would have turned to him quicker than he did. You are only looking at things from a outside perspective.

That game last year we were behind and he was trying to force plays. Had he started and not had to force the issue maybe he wouldn't have made those picks. C'mon. :doh:

[skinsfan93]

That game last year we were behind and he was trying to force plays. Had he started and not had to force the issue maybe he wouldn't have made those picks. C'mon. :doh:

That Giants game is a perfect example of why people love Ramsey. He makes one great play displaying his amazing arm but then makes the dumbest pass on the next play to kill any kind of momentum or scoring drive we have.

This is an extreme, but he is like Jeff George.

[LoGiK]

I think all the Brunell hater threads will stop after he leads us to victory against the cowboys

[Califan007]

I think all the Brunell hater threads will stop after he leads us to victory against the cowboys
Not if the Skins could have put away the Cowboys, and instead only win 13-10...if Moss or Patten are running open deep and Brunell misses him by a mile...if Cooley is wide open in the corner of the end zone and Brunell floats it over his head while backpeddling...if one too many drives end because Brunell throws a pass at a wide open rb's feet...then it won't quiet anything. Brunell has to do more than simply be standing behind center as the Skins eek out a win...he has to show that he energizes the offense and makes it more dangerous. If he doesn't show that, then while the win over Dallas will be savored, the argumentive threads will only increase ("We would have blown out the Cowboys if Ramsey was in there!"...."If Ramsey was starter, we lose this game!!" )

[Drex]

I think all the Brunell hater threads will stop after he leads us to victory against the cowboys

If it were only that simple.

The reaction towards this move will continue to unleash itself throughout the duration of the season.

Whether positive or negative, this topic is going to be around for a while.

[tizzod]

personally, I think it all comes down to turnovers, JG football stresses no TO's. That's got to be the reason. I like PR more than MB, I really do, but I'll admit that the int's scare the heck outta me.

To be perfectly truthful, they BOTH scare the heck out of me.

[matty dread]

Thanks for the feedback guys and thanks to spanishomelette for finding my post worthy enough of posting over here.

Geez if I knew it was going to be discussed on another site I might have put some more time in to it and checked my grammar and punctuation a bit more closely! LOL

Somebody said something in this thread that sums up my feelings pretty well on the entire situation. My heart isn't happy, but my head tells me this is the right move. I think Gibbs can also relate.

[Butz65]

this was well said

??????? Lost respect for Gibbs over Ramsey? Are you guys nuts? How many games/Super Bowls has Ramsey won? How many Pro Bowls has he been to? Maybe if this was Elway and Gibbs benched him early in his 10th year - but Ramsey? If anything I've earned respect for Gibbs (if that's possible). He's finally rid the Skins of the Spurrier era. There's no right in the NFL to play a certain number of snaps before your benched. You guys would be happier if Gibbs waited until we were 1-4 to make the decision?

[hokie4redskins]

I like Ramsey too, but this all boils down to Gibbs. I will never doubt this man. I do what Coach Gibbs tells me to do. He wants me to support Brunell, so.......Let's go Mark, whoop dem Cowboys!!

[CHUBAKAH]

Thanks for the feedback guys and thanks to spanishomelette for finding my post worthy enough of posting over here.

Geez if I knew it was going to be discussed on another site I might have put some more time in to it and checked my grammar and punctuation a bit more closely! LOL

Somebody said something in this thread that sums up my feelings pretty well on the entire situation. My heart isn't happy, but my head tells me this is the right move. I think Gibbs can also relate.
Good job Matty!

[illone]

personally, I think it all comes down to turnovers, JG football stresses no TO's. That's got to be the reason. I like PR more than MB, I really do, but I'll admit that the int's scare the heck outta me.


Exactly. Gibbs was even quoted saying Brunell doesn't make mistakes. If you put 2 and 2 together it's very easy to figure out why Ramsey is riding pine where he belongs....

[spanishomelette]

Thanks for the feedback guys and thanks to spanishomelette for finding my post worthy enough of posting over here.

Geez if I knew it was going to be discussed on another site I might have put some more time in to it and checked my grammar and punctuation a bit more closely! LOL

Somebody said something in this thread that sums up my feelings pretty well on the entire situation. My heart isn't happy, but my head tells me this is the right move. I think Gibbs can also relate.
Anytime...Good work!

[kharms01]

Why does everyone discount his poor preseason play? Or how about practice? Have you seen Ramsey in practice? Maybe MB performs 100 times better than PR in practice. If you think Gibbs made this decision based on the 3 series alone, then your ignorance astounds me :doh:No, he made that decision the first day he was rehired by the Skins.

[redcayman]

To all you Ramsey supporters what constitutes a fair shake?? He had all preseason 4 int and he started the first game 3 TO. What do we truly want here to win or to be "fair" to everybody? My mother always told me life is not fair. I really sorry that PR didnt do better but it was up to him to perform and to put any questions of his ability to rest. He didn't even come close. How many chances does he need? To all the people who lost respect for Gibbs I say you never really had any for him. The man knows more about football than most of you ever will. He is doing what he thinks is best for the team and I for one will support him. Hail Skins! :point2sky

[Butz65]

To all you Ramsey supporters what constitutes a fair shake?? He had all preseason 4 int and he started the first game 3 TO. What do we truly want here to win or to be "fair" to everybody? My mother always told me life is not fair. I really sorry that PR didnt do better but it was up to him to perform and to put any questions of his ability to rest. He didn't even come close. How many chances does he need? To all the people who lost respect for Gibbs I say you never really had any for him. The man knows more about football than most of you ever will. He is doing what he thinks is best for the team and I for one will support him. Hail Skins! :point2sky

Dead on!

[Taylor 36]

The truth is, we can all complain and moan and whine about what is fair and who should start, but it all boils down to everyone here wanting wins. Nothing more; nothing less. We all need to stop the bickering, and wait for Monday night to see what happens. Until then, no one really knows how this move is going to play out. And, let's face it, even if we lose that will probably not prove anything since the 'girls have had our number for years.

Gibbs knows a thing or two about qbs and offensive plays. I trust him. He and Bilicheck are the only current coaches with three rings. That has to count for something. Brunnel, in my opinion, wants to prove himself after last season. That could really work in our favor. Once again, we'll have to wait and see.

The thing to remember here is that we are all rooting for the same team. Don't let the distractions tear us apart like the Iggles, and let's not turn into Iggle's type fans. :2cents:

[Funkyalligator]

I tend to agree....as long as Brunell can demonstrate that he can hit the deeper passes I will be very happy...I realize that the injured hamstring last year hampered his throwing a lot...

[ZkinsFan]

Good job, i dont care who's on the field, as long as we are winning.