View from the Other Side: Seattle Seahawks (Merged 2X)

[Om]

Once again into the breach.

You know the drill by now … if you go out there for more than just reading purposes and choose to mix it up in the name of ES, please remember to act there like you'd expect them to act here. Karma and all that.

As always, if you know of any other sites that you think should be added to this list, let us know and we'll plug 'em in.

Enjoy.

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Seahawks.com Official Team Board (http://www.stateoffootball.com/MBLogin.aspx?SecID=121)
(requires registration)

Net Nation (scout.com) (http://mb25.scout.com/fseahawksinsiderfrm1)

KFFL (http://www.kffl.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=34)

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[Dirk Diggler]

I'm not surprised they are a confident bunch. Hey - I expect the 49ers to feel like they could steal one against us - we're just not that inspiring at this point. Hard-nosed defense and the ground game doesn't scare opposing fans. If they wanna believe that they can throw the ball all day on us - fine, let em. After a few bone-jarring hits from Taylor, their WRs will be dropping balls just like old times.

[jonasc311]

Some interesting thoughts from the SeaBirds board

"I still think it's going to be tough to win against a defense that is ranked #3 overall and will be fired up with a sold out, rabid home crowd.

One thing the Seahawks have never been good at is getting back up after a few turnovers, sacks or bad plays in the early East Coast games."


"Their defense is very good. But look at the matchup..

Great offense vs. Great Defense

Putrid offense vs. Good Defense

Seahawks will win as long as they show up. They are definitely the better team.. "

I dont know if they have a "great" offense but I can see how they would make this argument. I think it will be a close game and it will hinge on our defense causing turnovers.

[The Evil Genius]

Thanks OM.

Frankly, I didn't realize there were more than a handful of Seahawks fans in this world.

[laurent]

Om, have you ever thought about changing the tile of those threads to "Views from the Other Site"? Lame pun, I know, just thought it'd be appropriate.

[Heavy Jumbo]

Hawks 3rd Down conversion % (http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-TOTAL/2005/regular?sort_col_1=4&_1:col_1=9&_1:col_2=7)

Skins D, 3rd Down conversion % (http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2005/regular?sort_col_1=4&_1:col_1=9)

I think this stat is going to be the key to winning. We NEED to get back to blitzing more on 3rd downs to disrupt the offense. If we don't, we're in for a long game.

Another thing to look at is Seattle doesn't have that many 3rd down situations in the first place, they are 7th in the league with 34.

[Walking Deadman]

I know for the past few weeks that there has been 1 or 2 guys going to opponents website talking trash in the name of ES.....if you see this kindly tell them to stop and STFU.

We don't like trolls and neither do fans of other teams in NON-Rant forums like ES.......

We've had a few Seahawk trolls pop-up but not much (not nearly as much as DallASS trolls) and I hope that the Seahawks can say even less about Skins fans or ESers in general.

Thanks.

[themurf]

I would say Alexander has been great - the rest of their offense is solid. Hasselbeck was supposed to take "the next step" last year and never did. Actually, ever since he called that overtime coin toss by saying "We want the ball and we're going to win," he's been less of a QB. Karma is a powerful thing. Oh, and their wide receivers over the last two years have dropped more passes than any other set of wide outs in football.

Verdict - solid, but not great.

[Om]

Om, have you ever thought about changing the tile of those threads to "Views from the Other Site"? Lame pun, I know, just thought it'd be appropriate.

Tell you what ... take that depressing bag off your head and it's a deal. :)

[zoony]

I respect the Seahawks and Mike Holmgren. But I just can't help but think their offensive and defensive rankings are just a tad inflated at this point.

I think they will finish the season with a top 10 offense and a top 20 defense, however.

But on the road, against our d, with our O showing signs of life.... I think its just too much to overcome.

I will revise my final score predicition in the other thread...

Washington 24
Seattle 21

[Walking Deadman]

I like Skins 17
Seahawks 13

[gimpy007]

Tell you what ... take that depressing bag off your head and it's a deal. :)

I don't know about that... Sometimes I wish more people wore bags over their heads. :ahhhhh:

[E-Dog Night]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the Seahawks site falls a bit shy of the quality of this one. Just a bit.

[Parlett316]

The Seahawks is like that guy who everyone says can fight, shows a little ability to box but right when he gets punched in the mouth it's all over.

[Heavy Jumbo]

http://mb25.scout.com/fseahawksinsiderfrm1.showMessage?topicID=16760.top ic

Look at the post from hawkfan546 about halfway down:

the only way they have to slow down the passing game is to blitz constantly or to hope for the drops to come back that have fortunately gone awol this season. so they have to blitz. this should open huge holes for alexander to run through. i wouldnt be surprised if he got close to the same amount of yards as last week with 5-8 fewer carries. if he gets a few big runs that should also open up the air game with less pressure.

I guess it shouldn't be expected, but did he watch ANY of our games from last year? We blitzed MUCH more than we have so far this year, and we STILL STOPPED THE RUN!

Don't take home field advantage away from us either. FedEx is going to be rockin'!

[Heavy Jumbo]

He's another example of someone talking about something they don't know about:


Roma he (Springs) was not a top 2 cb last year. Your line was a great force to make qb's make bad throws and bad desicions.


If I'm not mistaken, our line didn't do a very good job putting pressure on the QB last year, so making the statement that Springs was only good because of DL play is ridiculous.

[woolley83]

The Seahawks is like that guy who everyone says can fight, shows a little ability to box but right when he gets punched in the mouth it's all over.

:laugh:

That's great and quite true. Seeing that site and how many seahawks fans there actually are (who knew) kinda creeped me out. They are confident but I think most of them have respect for our ability (though not our record) and are wary of coming into our house. I think the 'hawks will come in and show some strength but will not be able to hang with the skins.

[RedskinsNation]

I didnt know there were enough Seahawk fans to make a site worthwhile.

If Marty and Spurrier (x2) could beat the Seahawks I think we should be able to fare well.

17-16 Redskins.

[Hawkguy777]

I didnt know there were enough Seahawk fans to make a site worthwhile.

If Marty and Spurrier (x2) could beat the Seahawks I think we should be able to fare well.

17-16 Redskins.

That just shows you how loyal we are to are team, huh?

I have tremendous respect for the Redskins and there fans, I think its a great base. I have been reading through this thread and figured that most of you are smart, and have respect for both the Hawks, and the Skins. I have also read things like this post were you blow it. Not that many Skin fans have come to the stateoffootball.com board, but when you do we treat you with respect, and we give you honest opinions. Yet the only Skin fans that have come are overconfident, and saying this is going to be a blowout. I wish good luck to both teams, and heres to a injury free game. :cheers:

[skins1972]

That just shows you how loyal we are to are team, huh?

I have tremendous respect for the Redskins and there fans, I think its a great base. I have been reading through this thread and figured that most of you are smart, and have respect for both the Hawks, and the Skins. I have also read things like this post were you blow it. Not that many Skin fans have come to the stateoffootball.com board, but when you do we treat you with respect, and we give you honest opinions. Yet the only Skin fans that have come are overconfident, and saying this is going to be a blowout. I wish good luck to both teams, and heres to a injury free game. :cheers:


It doesnt really matter if the fans are over confident.. does it? Yes I belive our D will knock you guys silly but then I could be wrong!! I dont believe we are going to blow anyone out, not with this Offense :-(.. But I dont see how most of you on your site think that you can come over to Fedex where you have lost over and over, a team that sucks on the road (you know its the truth) and actually say that you are going to torch us.. I see this as a close game going either way!! But what I really want is for this Defense to play like last year and knock people around silly!!

Here is to a good game :cheers:

and I almost forgot


:seahawksu

[zoony]

That just shows you how loyal we are to are team, huh?

I have tremendous respect for the Redskins and there fans, I think its a great base. I have been reading through this thread and figured that most of you are smart, and have respect for both the Hawks, and the Skins. I have also read things like this post were you blow it. Not that many Skin fans have come to the stateoffootball.com board, but when you do we treat you with respect, and we give you honest opinions. Yet the only Skin fans that have come are overconfident, and saying this is going to be a blowout. I wish good luck to both teams, and heres to a injury free game. :cheers:


yikes man. feelings hurt much? It's just smack talk, nobody's insulting your mother. :doh:

http://snlarc.jt.org/arc/char/AlFr-Stuart%20Smalley.jpg




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[chetwoot74]

Hello- Another Seahawk Fan here. I just wanted to say that you guys have a great message board going here. This week is going to be a great game. Of course I will be rooting for the Seahawks, I expect it to be a tough game for them. The Redskins are a tough team to beat on their home field. I just hope that the right Seahawk team shows up to play. Good luck this season!! Hope the best for the Redskins after this week. Seahawks 24 Skins 21.

We love to see opposing fans visit our message boards... Nothing but respect for others views as long as its clean.

GO SEAHAWKS!!!!

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

He's another example of someone talking about something they don't know about:



If I'm not mistaken, our line didn't do a very good job putting pressure on the QB last year, so making the statement that Springs was only good because of DL play is ridiculous.

At work right now, so I'll make it quick:

I'm RomaVictor on scout.com, the guy who wasted entirely too much time trying to inform Seahawks fans about the team. They insist on carrying their vendetta with Springs disappointing years in Seattle over into their football analysis, with some gems like "Jackson will expose Springs for what he is--a mediocre DB" The same mediocre DB who held Owens will somehow get owned by D-Jax?! :laugh:

I never went on their with some kind of homerish stuff about our run game or passing game, I just kept it to the D but they continue to believe(or many of them do) that their O is ust going to get on a roll.

[coldpack]

Re: Will Brunell get injured? I hope not
Im much more woried about Jason Campbell rookie from Auburn. He will probally become the best QB out of this years draft.


MUAHAHAHAHAHHAH!!!!:applause:

[pjmjr123]

Hello- Another Seahawk Fan here. I just wanted to say that you guys have a great message board going here. This week is going to be a great game. Of course I will be rooting for the Seahawks, I expect it to be a tough game for them. The Redskins are a tough team to beat on their home field. I just hope that the right Seahawk team shows up to play. Good luck this season!! Hope the best for the Redskins after this week. Seahawks 24 Skins 21.

We love to see opposing fans visit our message boards... Nothing but respect for others views as long as its clean.

GO SEAHAWKS!!!!

DUDE! I just signed on to join your message board guess what, no dice. Here I am going to see how the Seahawks get down, and you wont even let a skins fan join. that is so lame. skins win 17 - 9

[fudwamper]

He's another example of someone talking about something they don't know about:



If I'm not mistaken, our line didn't do a very good job putting pressure on the QB last year, so making the statement that Springs was only good because of DL play is ridiculous.

When I state line I talk about the front seven. And yes he was a product of that. When Springs get most of his INT's, comming off the blitz. I watched the guy play since 97. He is certianly in his right role at D.C. then in the role we had him in here.

[themurf]

He's another example of someone talking about something they don't know about:



If I'm not mistaken, our line didn't do a very good job putting pressure on the QB last year, so making the statement that Springs was only good because of DL play is ridiculous.

Heavy Jumbo - they're talking about our defensive lineman Shawn Springs - you know, the guy who led our defense in sacks last season. He's the reason our overrated cornerback was able to lead our defense in interceptions.

[ChromeCW]

Heavy Jumbo - they're talking about our defensive lineman Shawn Springs - you know, the guy who led our defense in sacks last season. He's the reason our overrated cornerback was able to lead our defense in interceptions.

Ya know, your post might actually make sense if Shawn hadn't played here in Seattle for years...believe us...we know what position he plays:whoknows:

[rigelian]

It doesnt really matter if the fans are over confident.. does it? Yes I belive our D will knock you guys silly but then I could be wrong!! I dont believe we are going to blow anyone out, not with this Offense :-(.. But I dont see how most of you on your site think that you can come over to Fedex where you have lost over and over, a team that sucks on the road (you know its the truth) and actually say that you are going to torch us.. I see this as a close game going either way!! But what I really want is for this Defense to play like last year and knock people around silly!!


Interesting statement regarding the Seahawks sucking on the road. Im just curious, what is the foundation for that statement. The Seahawks were .500 on the road last year, the league average was 43%. I don't think that supports the claim that they "suck on the road". The year before one could at least argue that they sucked on the road, they were 2 and 6, but if one goes back the year before that they were again 4 and 4.

As to losing in Fedex, I would say there are only two samples, that one would be hard pressed to draw a conclusion from two games about what impact playing in Fedex will have on the Seahawks, especially since both games were rather close. I don't think the phrase over and over really accurately describes the situation.

I don't know much about the Redskin's defense, other than the fact that you're ranked 3rd in the NFL and that it is your rushing defense that has been called outstanding. I know that last year the Seahawks had trouble against stout aggressive defenses, an example being the Tampa Bay game, but at the same time, that was last year and if I recall correctly Shaun Alexander was injured (knee injury) and was not all that effective in the game.

I expect a close game, I think where it will be decided is if the Seahawks can maintain drives with it's short 3 drop passing plays. Which means the Seahawks will probably win if they execute their west coast offense effectively and their receivers don't drop the ball.

I saw parts of the Dallas game you all played. Your offense, but for those two long bombs, uh...sucked. I think it will have to do better to beat the Seahawks. But then again I could easily be wrong.

Rigelian

[akseahawkfan]

Greetings 'skins fans!

I think this is a statement game for both teams. Neither team proved anything with their wins yet this year. The winner of this game will have a tremendous confidence boost.

As is the case with most games, the battle will be waged in the trenches, and the game will go to the team that wins those battles on the line of scrimmage. I haven't seen the Redskins play, so I'm really only repeating what I've heard or read. From what I understand your OL is struggling which has been linked to the difficulties your offense has been having. While our DL hasn't been spectacular, it's been pretty solid, and has improved (like the whole team) from week to week. If they can contain Portis without bringing up a safety your offense may have difficulty moving the chains. Considering the sacks that you have given up, I'm sure they don't want to be in the position of having to play catch up like they did with Dallas. The Seahawks have shown the ability to get after the QB this year which could spell real trouble for Brunell if the if he's forced to win the game with his arm.

The challenge on defense the Redskins will have will be containing Alexander when he is running behind our Pro-Bowl left side (Jones and Hutchinson). Also, Hasselbeck seems to be better this year at picking up blitz and coverage packages to hit the hot routes. So far, our receivers have been great at making the catch as well this year.

Bottom line, I think the first team to 20 wins this game. I'm picking the Seahawks 21-17 with the final score in the final 4 minutes of the game.

Enjoy the game. You can find me hanging at Seahawks.Net

AK

[dfarrar777]

Your offense is weird. Aside from those two bombs from Brunell to Moss, there's been a WHOLE lotta nothing. Your franchise RB doesn't have a touchdown this season, which is really bizarre for a Gibbs team.

What I do know is that you also have quite possibly the best defensive coordinator in the NFL. Gregg Williams doesn't work with the injury excuse, the age excuse...he just puts squads together that will sack your fair city! Much, much much respect there.

I have it a close one, decided by the inevitable Shaun Alexander breakout run...and if Holmgren gives up on the run too soon, he should be shipped to Egypt.

Seattle 17
Washington 12

[Timurchin]

:cheers: What a classy bunch of Seahawk fans. Unlike the Cowgirls, it makes it hard for us to hate you. Here's to a clean game. Skins 17-Hawks 14

[skins1972]

Your offense is weird. Aside from those two bombs from Brunell to Moss, there's been a WHOLE lotta nothing. Your franchise RB doesn't have a touchdown this season, which is really bizarre for a Gibbs team.

What I do know is that you also have quite possibly the best defensive coordinator in the NFL. Gregg Williams doesn't work with the injury excuse, the age excuse...he just puts squads together that will sack your fair city! Much, much much respect there.

I have it a close one, decided by the inevitable Shaun Alexander breakout run...and if Holmgren gives up on the run too soon, he should be shipped to Egypt.

Seattle 17
Washington 12

Well said but dont pick SA to win the game for you, he is not going to do anything spectacular.. His style of running is to avoid contact, run to the left of the line!! Once he gets a full dose of smash mouth hits from his blind side he ll realize he is going to be a long day for him!! If your going to beat us you have to beat us with your passing game!! Its not going to happen, our house, east coast and above all 90k of rabid fans!!

[Heavy Jumbo]

When I state line I talk about the front seven. And yes he was a product of that. When Springs get most of his INT's, comming off the blitz. I watched the guy play since 97. He is certianly in his right role at D.C. then in the role we had him in here.

So why not state front 7 then? The LINE refers to the DEFENSIVE LINE.

Oh, and, uh......welcome ;)

[FranklinNoble]

I don't think I've ever met a Seahawks fan in real life... are we sure these guys aren't just bots, or perhaps members of the Seattle front office putting on a good front? ;)

I think the bye week is the key here. We've had two weeks to rest and prepare for Seattle. We're at home, after a big win. The crowd is going to be pretty pumped up. Yes, the offense has been lethargic - but if it's going to break out, now is the time.

I'd be pretty pessimistic about my chances here if I were a Seahawks fan. No offense, but I really don't think this should be a close game - I expect Washington to win by at least 7.

[CHUBAKAH]

There total west coast dude. If they aren't on top, people could give a rats ass about a NFL team here. Perfect example, Raiders. Lot's of colors flying, but they never sell enough tickets to get a home game on TV. Fan's back east are so much more into football...

[hands11]

Rushing yard 2004
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-RUSHING/2004/regular?sort_col_1=7&_1:col_1=7&_1:col_2=8

Rushing TDs 2004
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-RUSHING/2004/regular?sort_col_1=7&_1:col_1=8&_1:col_2=7

2005
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-RUSHING/2005/regular?sort_col_1=7&_1:col_1=7&_1:col_2=8

Some things for the SH fans to consider.

[BlueTalon]

I don't think I've ever met a Seahawks fan in real life... are we sure these guys aren't just bots, or perhaps members of the Seattle front office putting on a good front? ;)

I think the bye week is the key here. We've had two weeks to rest and prepare for Seattle. We're at home, after a big win. The crowd is going to be pretty pumped up. Yes, the offense has been lethargic - but if it's going to break out, now is the time.

I'd be pretty pessimistic about my chances here if I were a Seahawks fan. No offense, but I really don't think this should be a close game - I expect Washington to win by at least 7.
You gotta get out more! :D

I'm not pessimistic at all about this game. I'm excited, like I would be for any game. The Redskins are tough, but far from perfect. I expect it to be a close game, but it could also turn into a blowout in either team's favor. Yes, that means I think it's possible for the Seahawks to blow out the Redskins in FedEx. But the Seahawks aren't perfect either, and there could be a blowout in the other direction as well. Neither of those scenarios are likely -- I expect it to be close. But...

That's why they play the game. :cheers:

[Art]

You gotta get out more! :D

I'm not pessimistic at all about this game. I'm excited, like I would be for any game. The Redskins are tough, but far from perfect. I expect it to be a close game, but it could also turn into a blowout in either team's favor. Yes, that means I think it's possible for the Seahawks to blow out the Redskins in FedEx. But the Seahawks aren't perfect either, and there could be a blowout in the other direction as well. Neither of those scenarios are likely -- I expect it to be close. But...

That's why they play the game. :cheers:

I think it could end up close, but I suspect it won't be close. Typically the Redskins enter games like this with the uncanny ability to rip out a classic 7-turnover, 15-penalty effort all but ending the game after a quarter, then spending the rest of the time mildly closing the gap.

This game will, to me, go like this, or, go another, rare way for the Redskins. It will go the way of no turnovers and limited penalties and an actual, honest-to-goodness well-played effort. IF it goes that way with the emotion of the crowd, the game could be over by halftime in our favor while we get the joy of watching you guys spend the rest of the day doing exactly what we've long done in games just like this.

The Redskins can't emerge from being an average or worse team until they solidify a good win with another. Especially at home. Just this once it could happen.

[Om]

You gotta get out more! :D

I'm not pessimistic at all about this game. I'm excited, like I would be for any game. The Redskins are tough, but far from perfect. I expect it to be a close game, but it could also turn into a blowout in either team's favor. Yes, that means I think it's possible for the Seahawks to blow out the Redskins in FedEx. But the Seahawks aren't perfect either, and there could be a blowout in the other direction as well. Neither of those scenarios are likely -- I expect it to be close. But...

That's why they play the game. :cheers:

So basically, what you're saying is that this game will either be a blowout by the Skins, a close game won by the Skins, a close game won by Seattle, or a blowout by Seattle?

Hard to argue with that. :)

[jrfriedm]

Is this really any different than what we are saying? Did you expect anything different from them?

[Om]

Nudge. (http://mb25.scout.com/fseahawksinsiderfrm1.showMessage?topicID=16797.top ic) :)

[skinsfan12]

Excellent llooking out for the good guys Om.

My favorite quote from them:

"and if Holmgren gives up on the run too soon, he should be shipped to Egypt. " - dfarrar777

The key to stopping this team is stopping the run... :obvious:

I'm still not satisfied with their reply to your counter of what they plan if Hass gets taken out. They don't have a Plan B (Ramsey), so just ignore the issue and describe how improbable the scenario is.

Here's to hoping we don't need to "doff" our caps.

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[Griff]

I have been reading Seahawk message boards on and off this week and I found the majority of fans are very intelligent and NFL knowledgeable, not any real flamers. I had to register to join the board listed below, but I came across 2 I had to share, the first one made me fall out of my chair.

redskins DT out on IR
Posted: 9/29/2005 12:33 pm

noble is gone for the year this should help this sunday plus they have 2 new kickers so we are running out of excuses not to win and dominate the redskins.

http://www.stateoffootball.com/MBThread.aspx?GroupID=1&ID=5076

Re: week 4 predictions?
Posted: 9/26/2005 3:34 pm

Jags fan here. You guys will smoke Washington.

Hawks 27
Skins 10

The same Jags fan posted this also:

Re: week 4 predictions?
Posted: 9/29/2005 11:28 am

Yeah, struggling offense is the understatement of the year. The Skins are not so good on offense. Hawks take this one easily and this is from an objective observer. I wish we had the Skins on our schedule.

http://www.stateoffootball.com/mbthread.aspx?pg=2&ID=5028&GroupID=1

It gave me a chuckle so I thought I would share it.

[Underwater Ally]

Jags fan here. You guys will smoke Washington.
More like a pissed off Jets fan

:laugh:

[G-Prime]

I'll explain exactly what this supposed Jags fan is..

He's a bandwagoner.

Redskins sucked, he got pissed and moved to being a baltimore fan during their superbowl run.. Now they've sucked and he's pissed and moved to rooting for the Jags.. Guys like this make their move before the Jags get REALLY good that way when they do, he can say he's been a fan all along.. Looks to me like the Jags will be deep play off contenders soon if not this year.

[G-Prime]

Oh and btw if the hawks fans are hinging their hopes on us missing one defensive player and 1 possibly two new kickers, then they need to realize they have no hope at all.

[Heavy Jumbo]

Re: week 4 predictions?
Posted: 9/26/2005 3:34 pm

Jags fan here. You guys will smoke Washington.

Hawks 27
Skins 10


:laugh: Wishful thinking

NO way the Hawks score 27 on our D.

[Phat Hog]

:laugh: Wishful thinking

NO way the Hawks score 27 on our D.

Amazing how everyone seems to forget that little fact about going up against one of the best defenses in the NFL.

Oh well...good for us! :point2sky

[Avg Joe]

This is why I don't bother talking to fans of other teams that much. When people start talking about putting up all kinds of points on a defense that hasn't allowed that many points over the last season and into this season, I know they really don't know what they're talking about. Seattle might very well win the game, but it isn't going to be cause they scored all kinds of points.

[cowboylifer]

the redskins had one of the best defenses in the nfl last year....what was there final record. case closed seattle 21 redskins 15

[Arsenic]

the redskins had one of the best defenses in the nfl last year....what was there final record. case closed seattle 21 redskins 15

What was the Cowboys record last year?
Raiders 45 Cowboys 13

See? It can work both ways.

Or how about this one: Redskins 14 Dallas 13
CASE CLOSED

[akseahawkfan]

No disrespect intended but how can you claim to be one of the best defenses when you've only played the Bears (with a rookie QB) and the Cowboys mediocre offenses? You may very well have an excellent defense, but I think it's premature to say so based on those two opponents. Yes, I know the 'skins had a good defense last year, but we aren't playing last year's team. Even the best defenses get worn down if they are on the field too long. I suspect that the Redskin offense is going to be suffering a number of three and outs which will put your D on the field too long and too often.

[skinsfan12]

No disrespect intended but how can you claim to be one of the best defenses

And what have you seen to doubt our D? I need specifics here...

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[ArmchairRedskin]

the redskins had one of the best defenses in the nfl last year....what was there final record. case closed seattle 21 redskins 15


14-13

[akseahawkfan]

And what have you seen to doubt our D? I need specifics here....

I haven't seen anything to say either way. I just don't believe you can make those kinds of claims based only on the games against the Bears and Cowboys. Against the Bears you were going up against a Rookie making his first ever NFL start. Against the Cowboys you didn't get a single sack or turnover and the Cowboys had the advantage in time of posession. That's not enough to say that the Redskins D sucks, but it should be enough to give you pause before declaring them one of the best. I think it's safe to say that the Seahawks offense will be the biggest challenge so far this year for the Redskins. If they hold the Seahawks to under 21 points, then I think you can say you have a pretty good defense.

[TheDarb]

I haven't seen anything to say either way. I just don't believe you can make those kinds of claims based only on the games against the Bears and Cowboys. Against the Bears you were going up against a Rookie making his first ever NFL start. Against the Cowboys you didn't get a single sack or turnover and the Cowboys had the advantage in time of posession. That's not enough to say that the Redskins D sucks, but it should be enough to give you pause before declaring them one of the best. I think it's safe to say that the Seahawks offense will be the biggest challenge so far this year for the Redskins. If they hold the Seahawks to under 21 points, then I think you can say you have a pretty good defense.

One could turn this around and say that if the Skins score 17 or more, then the Seahawks have a pretty bad defense.

[[[ghost]]]

I know for the past few weeks that there has been 1 or 2 guys going to opponents website talking trash in the name of ES.....if you see this kindly tell them to stop and STFU.

We don't like trolls and neither do fans of other teams in NON-Rant forums like ES.......

We've had a few Seahawk trolls pop-up but not much (not nearly as much as DallASS trolls) and I hope that the Seahawks can say even less about Skins fans or ESers in general.

Thanks.

i dont "troll" i just respectfully discuss some of their statements. trollings for ___________(fill in the blank)

[skinsfan12]

I just don't believe you can make those kinds of claims based only on the games against the Bears and Cowboys.

No one claiming our confidence in our D is based on two games this season. Our confidence is garnered from a continuation of performance from the previous season to what we've seen so far this season. In fact, you might consider the keyword here to be Continuity. Candid conversations on this forum with our Asst. HC - Defense has only solidified our confidence in his system and in the arsenal of personnel at his disposal.

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[BlueTalon]

One could turn this around and say that if the Skins score 17 or more, then the Seahawks have a pretty bad defense.
We're not the ones claiming to have [one of the] best defense[s] in the NFL. You haven't answered akseahawkfan's point about making that claim based on two games against offenses which, he points out, are arguably not too threatening.

(edit) Sorry, skinsfan12, didn't see your post. Since you're claiming continuity from last year, I can see why you don't use the two games of this season as the primary indicators of how your defense will be. I would just point out that every year is a new year -- and in our case, that's a very good thing.

[Park City Skins]

Look no farther than skinsfan12's post. And I 'll add there is a confidence born of demonstrated ability. Many of the same criticism's of the defense's short comings last year are prevelant this year. Yet the D is doing, ( so far), essentially the same thing it did last year. Stepping up. If in fact one were to judge the offenses mediocre, then the D has done pretty much what it's supposed to do against such competition.

[akseahawkfan]

One could turn this around and say that if the Skins score 17 or more, then the Seahawks have a pretty bad defense.

I agree 100%. I would be VERY disappointed if the Seahawks gave up 17 or more offensive points to the Redskins. Yes, that would be an indication that the Seahawks D is not nearly as much improved as I think they are.

[ArmchairRedskin]

We're not the ones claiming to have [one of the] best defense[s] in the NFL. You haven't answered akseahawkfan's point about making that claim based on two games against offenses which, he points out, are arguably not too threatening.

(edit) Sorry, skinsfan12, didn't see your post. Since you're claiming continuity from last year, I can see why you don't use the two games of this season as the primary indicators of how your defense will be. I would just point out that every year is a new year -- and in our case, that's a very good thing.


Your good year is irrelevant to our defense that remains largely intact from last year and is still running in the same system. I guarantee you we shut Alexander down. Unless he carries the rock 30+ times, he won't see triple digits. Rushing TD's ? We only allowed 7 all last year. One this year after a fumble inside our own 20 on a kickoff return. Both the Jones bros are respectable backs.

I realize Alexander is on fire right now, but stopping the run is what we do. You'd have to nickel and dime us to death in the passing game to score. Our secondary isn't average either. We gave up one TD on a flea flicker. Smoot or no Smoot, Pierce or no Pierce, our defense has not skipped a beat.

[Streater101]

Some Cowboy fanatic came here claiming the same thing "rookie QB...that was last year...blah...redundant...blah...." and that Dallas would get 20-27 points in the win. I told him I personally didn't see Dallas scoring over 13 unless they got it from a defensive touchdown or a special teams TD - and they didn't.

When I see evidence to the contrary, I'll reserve the right to say the Skins have one of the leagues top 3 defenses.

[akseahawkfan]

No one claiming our confidence in our D is based on two games this season. Our confidence is garnered from a continuation of performance from the previous season to what we've seen so far this season. In fact, you might consider the keyword here to be Continuity. Candid conversations on this forum with our Asst. HC - Defense has only solidified our confidence in his system and in the arsenal of personnel at his disposal.

Perhaps you are right. Like I said, I haven't seen anything to suggest that the Redskins D sucks. I just haven't seen anything THIS YEAR to suggest that they are even as good as they were last year (which I agree they were good). Against teams like Chicago or Dallas, I would expect a lot more domination by a GREAT defense. There is nothing to indicate that they are dominating in that manner.

Continuity is a word that you can use with the Seahawks offense as well. They are returning the same team that ranked in the top 10 of just about every offensive category and then improved their receivers in the off season. However, I still have to see them produce this year. All last year does is set the bar, the real test is to see them improve on what they have done in the past. Whether it is year to year, or game to game, a champion is constantly improving. The Seahawks have done that this year from game to game.

I can't remember if I posted this here or on another forum, but I think this is a statement game for both teams. Neither team has proved anything up to this point based on their games so far. The Redskins need to show they can stop a good offense at home, and the Seahawks need to show they can beat a good defense on the road.

If the Seahawks Offense and the Redskins Defense basically fight to a draw, then it will come down to whether the Seahawks Defense is better than the Redskins Offense. From what I've seen, read or heard, I'll take the Seahawks D in that matchup.

[sonofbutz]

ya know until Seattle actually does something I can't worry about them
all except them tarnishing the redskins legacy

[Large_Ant]

ya know until Seattle actually does something I can't worry about them
all except them tarnishing the redskins legacyI would say the same thing about the Redskins on the "doing something" part unless you're still hanging on to that "legacy". Doug Williams and Mark Rypien were great... but they're gone along with the glory days.

[Large_Ant]

I realize Alexander is on fire right now, but stopping the run is what we do. You'd have to nickel and dime us to death in the passing game to score.

Exactly. To use your own words, that's "what we do". And it's pretty effective.

[akseahawkfan]

Your good year is irrelevant to our defense that remains largely intact from last year and is still running in the same system. I guarantee you we shut Alexander down. Unless he carries the rock 30+ times, he won't see triple digits. Rushing TD's ? We only allowed 7 all last year. One this year after a fumble inside our own 20 on a kickoff return. Both the Jones bros are respectable backs.

This is 2005. What happened last year doesn't mean squat. If Alexander gets 20 or more touches, Redskins lose. It's as simple as that. If you take Alexander out of the game, you have a chance, but I really doubt that happens. Because in order to do so you're going to have to commit 8 or more in the box and the short passing game will slice and dice you. That's the bread and butter of the WCO

I realize Alexander is on fire right now, but stopping the run is what we do. You'd have to nickel and dime us to death in the passing game to score. Our secondary isn't average either. We gave up one TD on a flea flicker. Smoot or no Smoot, Pierce or no Pierce, our defense has not skipped a beat.

He's not on fire just right now, he has been on fire for the past three seasons. Dropped passes is the only thing that has stopped this offense in the past, well that and Holmgren going away from Alexander at some pretty perplexing times. However, the team isn't dropping passes or making really stupid mistakes since the Jags game. Once again, your defense has not been challenged THIS YEAR the way they will be challenged on Sunday. The proof is in the pudding. We'll see what they got for real Sunday morning.

[akseahawkfan]

ya know until Seattle actually does something I can't worry about them all except them tarnishing the redskins legacy

Let's see, the Redskins last winning season play off appearance was 1999. Since that time the Seahawks have had 4 winning seasons and two consecutive play off appearances. You have to go quite aways back to find a time when the Redskins are more successful than the Seahawks. I think it's the Seahawks that would be tarnished with a loss to the Redskins.

[ArmchairRedskin]

This is 2005. What happened last year doesn't mean squat. If Alexander gets 20 or more touches, Redskins lose. It's as simple as that. If you take Alexander out of the game, you have a chance, but I really doubt that happens. Because in order to do so you're going to have to commit 8 or more in the box and the short passing game will slice and dice you. That's the bread and butter of the WCO



He's not on fire just right now, he has been on fire for the past three seasons. Dropped passes is the only thing that has stopped this offense in the past, well that and Holmgren going away from Alexander at some pretty perplexing times. However, the team isn't dropping passes or making really stupid mistakes since the Jags game. Once again, your defense has not been challenged THIS YEAR the way they will be challenged on Sunday. The proof is in the pudding. We'll see what they got for real Sunday morning.



I guarantee you Alexander will be shut down. He may get a short yardage TD. He won't see triple digits with 20 carries. 30 carries or no go. Guaranteed.

Why would last year not count when it's the same system with most of the same players? You stated Alexander has been on fire the last three years didn't you?


Either way, Sunday should be a good guage for both our teams as you have a good offense and we have a good defense. May the best defe...I mean team win.



Edit: here's a little stat for you. In 2003 Alexander carried the ball 22 times for 94 yards and one TD. You think if he had those stats you'd win right? Wrong. We won that game 27-20

[ArmchairRedskin]

Exactly. To use your own words, that's "what we do". And it's pretty effective.


You haven't done it against our defense.

[tex]

Coach Gibbs passes to run, we win. Run to pass...we still win but not by as much.

[dinzelwashington]

they will fear our defense.. they will fear our crowd.. they will drop balls... can i order a cup of decatchless coffeee....

[Large_Ant]

they will fear our defense.. they will fear our crowd.. they will drop balls... can i order a cup of decatchless coffeee....Man, that was hilarious. :doh:

[ArmchairRedskin]

:seahawksu Let's see, the Redskins last winning season play off appearance was 1999. Since that time the Seahawks have had 4 winning seasons and two consecutive play off appearances. You have to go quite aways back to find a time when the Redskins are more successful than the Seahawks. I think it's the Seahawks that would be tarnished with a loss to the Redskins.


How many trophies in the Seahawk case? :laugh:

[akseahawkfan]

I guarantee you Alexander will be shut down. He may get a short yardage TD. He won't see triple digits with 20 carries. 30 carries or no go. Guaranteed.

Well unless you're playing MLB for the Redskins, that "guarantee" is pretty empty and meaningless to me. You may be right, but in order to do that means that you are going to have to focus the defense on stopping the run. That means that there are going to be plenty of opportunities in the short passing game when they go three wide and Stevens out in the pattern. It will be interesting to see how the defense reacts to that. In the past teams were able to do that because the recievers would drop passes and bail the defense out. Defenses haven't been that fortunate this year.

Why would last year not count when it's the same system with most of the same players? You stated Alexander has been on fire the last three years didn't you?

That was in reply to someone stating that Alexander was on fire right now, as if it was something new. This is not something new, this is an offense that has been working together and improving year after year, game after game. What they accomplished last year doesn't mean squat other than it set the bar that much higher for what they have to accomplish this year.

Either way, Sunday should be a good guage for both our teams as you have a good offense and we have a good defense. May the best defe...I mean team win.


Agreed. This is a statement game for both teams. It will be a good measure for both teams for their progress to this point in the season.

Edit: here's a little stat for you. In 2003 Alexander carried the ball 22 times for 94 yards and one TD. You think if he had those stats you'd win right? Wrong. We won that game 27-20

That was a game that our defense lost. I don't think you can count on your offense beating our defense this time around to win the game.

[akseahawkfan]

How many trophies in the Seahawk case? :laugh:

How many points do they spot the Redskins on Sunday for the number of trophies they have in the case?

[ArmchairRedskin]

Well unless you're playing MLB for the Redskins, that "guarantee" is pretty empty and meaningless to me. You may be right, but in order to do that means that you are going to have to focus the defense on stopping the run. That means that there are going to be plenty of opportunities in the short passing game when they go three wide and Stevens out in the pattern. It will be interesting to see how the defense reacts to that. In the past teams were able to do that because the recievers would drop passes and bail the defense out. Defenses haven't been that fortunate this year.



That was in reply to someone stating that Alexander was on fire right now, as if it was something new. This is not something new, this is an offense that has been working together and improving year after year, game after game. What they accomplished last year doesn't mean squat other than it set the bar that much higher for what they have to accomplish this year.


Agreed. This is a statement game for both teams. It will be a good measure for both teams for their progress to this point in the season.



That was a game that our defense lost. I don't think you can count on your offense beating our defense this time around to win the game.


Why not? Our offense beat the Cowboys with two long bombs didn't they? You don't have the speed in your secondary to cover both Moss and Patten. You don't have the linebackers to close the gaps on Portis. I see this as a primo opportunity for our offense to get out of the gates running. It's gonna suck to be a Seahag fan sunday.

[akseahawkfan]

You haven't done it against our defense.

Nope. They're next.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Nope. They're next.


:laugh:

[akseahawkfan]

Why not? Our offense beat the Cowboys with two long bombs didn't they? You don't have the speed in your secondary to cover both Moss and Patten. You don't have the linebackers to close the gaps on Portis. I see this as a primo opportunity for our offense to get out of the gates running. It's gonna suck to be a Seahag fan sunday.

Oh puhleeze. You can't honestly think that those two "throw it as far as you can and let the receiver run under it" plays are anything other than a hope and prayer do you? Come on. The first one you caught the Cowboys napping. The second one they just plain sucked. There is no way in hell that the Cowboys D should have been beat deep like that with under 3 minutes to go with a 6 point lead. You should also send thank you cards to the Cowboy Defensive players for that gift.

You don't have an offensive line that can make holes for Portis or protect Brunell. Perhaps if your OL could play even decent your playmakers may have a chance. As it is, Portis will be out of the game in the first half because you'll have to play catch up. You'll have to go to max protect schemes to give Brunell even an even chance to get a pass off before he's on his back.

It will be a sad day for a once proud franchise. I admire you all for sticking by your team, even in these tough times.

[Large_Ant]

It will be a sad day for a once proud franchise. I admire you all for sticking by your team, even in these tough times.

:laugh: :cheers:

[ArmchairRedskin]

Oh puhleeze. You can't honestly think that those two "throw it as far as you can and let the receiver run under it" plays are anything other than a hope and prayer do you? Come on. The first one you caught the Cowboys napping. The second one they just plain sucked. There is no way in hell that the Cowboys D should have been beat deep like that with under 3 minutes to go with a 6 point lead. You should also send thank you cards to the Cowboy Defensive players for that gift.

You don't have an offensive line that can make holes for Portis or protect Brunell. Perhaps if your OL could play even decent your playmakers may have a chance. As it is, Portis will be out of the game in the first half because you'll have to play catch up. You'll have to go to max protect schemes to give Brunell even an even chance to get a pass off before he's on his back.

It will be a sad day for a once proud franchise. I admire you all for sticking by your team, even in these tough times.



How are we gonna play from behind when your offense can't muster anything but a field goal. I say Portis out rushes Alex(cant run between the tackles)ander and we smack your secondary upside the head with a couple of long completions for TD's to Moss and Patten

[Nighthawk]

I said this on the Seahawks board and I'll say it here.

When it's all said and done, the Redskins will win this game because of coaching or should I say, the Seahawks will lose this game because of their coaching.

Gibbs versus Ray Ray. Gibbs wins.

Holmgren versus Williams. Williams wins.

Gibbs + Williams = Redskins victory.

The only coaching matchup I can't speak too is special teams but we'll win 2 out of 3 for sure.

You can count on Holmgren to make some bone headed decision or call that will ultimately cost the Seahawks the game.

Redskins 20 Seahawks 16

[ArmchairRedskin]

:laugh: :cheers:


What are you laughing about? Surely you aren't a Seahawk fan laughing at Redskin fans for sticking by their team when our team has three Lombardi's to admire.

[Large_Ant]

What are you laughing about? Surely you aren't a Seahawk fan laughing at Redskin fans for sticking by their team when our team has three Lombardi's to admire.I remember those trophies. You guys got those back when they were putting Roman numerals on them for real, not just because it looks cool.

By your logic, we shouldn't laugh at the 49ers right now either because they won two more than you guys a hundred years ago. Now matters. They suck. It's funny.

:laugh:

[akseahawkfan]

How are we gonna play from behind when your offense can't muster anything but a field goal. I say Portis out rushes Alex(cant run between the tackles)ander and we smack your secondary upside the head with a couple of long completions for TD's to Moss and Patten

That's a nice fantasy and should help you sleep the next couple of nights. :cool: Whoever you are listening to about Alexander doesn't know what they are talking about. Alexander is 4 for 4 in 3rd and short situations this year. He can and will put his head down and get that tough yard when needed. Portis may do fine between the 20's but your offense has shown no ability to punch it in from the red zone. You won't beat Seattle with just Field Goals, and our secondary isn't going to give you any of those "throw and hope" scores like the cowgirls did. You have not faced a team yeat with as many offensive weapons as the Seahawks have this year. Your offense is no comparison to Atlanta or even the Cardinals. Your defense is going to have to the scoring, because I really doubt that your offense will do anything more than kick field goals, and that won't be enough to beat the Seahawks.

[Large_Ant]

The thing that slays me is all of the Portis "jock-riding". The man got a whopping 5 TDs last year and has started this year at the same pace. Yet somehow he's going to explode behind an average (at best) offensive line against a defense that contained last year's best rushing offense? And the logic that drives all of this fantasy?

"Because..."

On the other hand, Alexander has exploded out of the gate but somehow, the Redskins are going to stop him because they've got what the fans believe to be a top 5 defense. Falcons fans and Cardinal fans thought the same thing. Shaun has the same number of TDs in three games that Portis had all last season. IMO, the Portis vs. Alexander talk is... amusing to put it gently.

[akseahawkfan]

You can count on Holmgren to make some bone headed decision or call that will ultimately cost the Seahawks the game.

Like I said before, without hope you have nothing at all. You can only hope that is the case and the game is close enough for that coaching decision to make a difference. Coaches can only call the plays, players have to make the plays. The Seahawks have better players and will make more plays

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

I remember those trophies. You guys got those back when they were putting Roman numerals on them for real, not just because it looks cool.

By your logic, we shouldn't laugh at the 49ers right now either because they won two more than you guys a hundred years ago. Now matters. They suck. It's funny.

:laugh:

Interesting, your team has been better in recent history and we still have more playoff wins since Gibbs left than the Seahawks (we actually beat someone in 99.) :laugh:

I guess stringing together multiple 8-8, 7-9 and 9-7 records is some kind of herculean feat. :silly:

[DeaconBlue]

Nope. They're next.

You betta get down on your knees and pray, boy.

[akseahawkfan]

I guess stringing together multiple 8-8, 7-9 and 9-7 records is some kind of herculean feat. :silly:

Not herculean, just better than the Redskins.

[The-Rock]

Some interesting thoughts from the SeaBirds board

"I still think it's going to be tough to win against a defense that is ranked #3 overall and will be fired up with a sold out, rabid home crowd.

One thing the Seahawks have never been good at is getting back up after a few turnovers, sacks or bad plays in the early East Coast games."


"Their defense is very good. But look at the matchup..

Great offense vs. Great Defense

Putrid offense vs. Good Defense

Seahawks will win as long as they show up. They are definitely the better team.. "

I dont know if they have a "great" offense but I can see how they would make this argument. I think it will be a close game and it will hinge on our defense causing turnovers.


Heres how they could put it in perspective:
Last Week-
Great Offense vs. CARDINALS DEFENSE
This Week-
Terrible Pop Warner squad vs. Great Defense

As for their D being good, they have looked great for like the first couple of games each year then their offense hits a brick wall on the road and their defense caves in.

Enter the Redskins.:applause:

[akseahawkfan]

As for their D being good, they have looked great for like the first couple of games each year then their offense hits a brick wall on the road and their defense caves in.

Enter the Redskins.:applause:

Another hope. In the past the Seahawks haven't been very deep on the defensive side of the ball, so when they lost key players on Defense they weren't able maintain the same level of play. This year we are healthy and deeper. We may reach that point in the season when defensive injuries and depth will be a concern. But that point isn't this Sunday.

[Art]

We're not the ones claiming to have [one of the] best defense[s] in the NFL. You haven't answered akseahawkfan's point about making that claim based on two games against offenses which, he points out, are arguably not too threatening.

(edit) Sorry, skinsfan12, didn't see your post. Since you're claiming continuity from last year, I can see why you don't use the two games of this season as the primary indicators of how your defense will be. I would just point out that every year is a new year -- and in our case, that's a very good thing.

Are you guys kidding?

The Redskins defense surrendered the fewest points in football a year ago. This year, 10 of 11 players were starters at some point last year with Lavar Arrington coming off the bench. The defense has continued to play well. It will not rank as high as last year because we play more good offenses this year, but, there's no reason to suspect the defense which remains largely in tact -- only deeper and with better health at this point -- will decline.

[Art]

The simple fact of the matter is the Seahawks do not have the personnel or coaching ability to beat the Redskins. Now, fortunately for Seattle, the Redskins are a team always willing to break out a six turnover game with 15 penalties to keep you guys in it, but, as a general statement, there's nothing you have as a team that's overly concerning to the Redskins on either side of the ball.

The matchups, simply put, favor the Redskins.

Alexander is an exceptional back. No one questions this fact. But, he will be easily controlled by the Redskins run defense. He is skilled enough to possibly break off a run, but, for the most part, he will be unable to generate anything consistent. Teams do not run against us. Suggesting we may tire if subjected to long possessions by your offense would be meaningful last year. After working together in the off season the Redskins showed remarkable stamina on defense in the heat of Texas.

We're coming off a bye.

You are not likely to wear us down. The HOPE you have of doing so is your defense stuffs our offense and our defense just gives up a little. However, given what happened against Dallas, the defense is likely to have increased hope that something will change to allow success and continue playing very hard.

Offensively, the Redskins are still coming together up front dealing with the communication aspects of integrating a new center. We also saw Dockery get beaten by clean quick moves on a couple of occasions against Dallas. Dockery has down games, but, he usually rebounds with tremendous games following. It will be a great surprise if you generate any real pressure in this game given our time to focus on this area. Good coverage may lead to sacks as it always will, but, your personnel won't beat us on the outside and you don't get Dockery on a down week, so, it's not likely you'll see much exploit.

Portis tends to lift his game against top running backs. At home with an emotional crowd, he will surpass 100 yards fairly easily. Your defense is too small to handle the pounding. Early quickness on your part will create some big plays. And, again, in games like this we tend to be our most self destructive.

This is how you'll win if you do. If, however, we decide not to be quite as harmful to our chances the Seahawks are not a team we'll find all that concerning in terms of beating us without our assistance.

[skinsfan12]

Something to consider...

"Alexander should get a stern challenge from the Redskins, who are second in the league in rushing defense and total defense. Washington has given up only 131 rushing yards on 2.8 yards per carry, and is allowing opponents 258.5 yards per game.

The Redskins haven't allowed 100 yards rushing in their last seven games, the longest active streak in the NFL."

Also,

"Holmgren is 0-3 against the Redskins, one of three teams he's never beaten."

link (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/preview/NFL_20051002_SEA@WAS)


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[akseahawkfan]

Are you guys kidding?

The Redskins defense surrendered the fewest points in football a year ago. This year, 10 of 11 players were starters at some point last year with Lavar Arrington coming off the bench. The defense has continued to play well. It will not rank as high as last year because we play more good offenses this year, but, there's no reason to suspect the defense which remains largely in tact -- only deeper and with better health at this point -- will decline.

Again with the last year stuff? You don't think teams got that stuff on tape from last year and the first two games this year? You don't think that teams are going to take advantage of that? Chicago and Dallas don't have the weapons to exploit your weaknesses on defense. You say it yourself that your defense won't rate as high because you play more good offenses - the Seahawks are one of those good offenses.

Alexander runs behind two Pro-Bowlers on the left side and one of the best blocking Full Backs in the league. The Redskins are going to have to commit a whole lot to stoping Alexander if that is what they choose to do. When they do that then we'll start hitting you with play action and the short passing game until you come up to stop that and then we'll burn you deep with the double move and pump fake. You haven't played an offense like this in awhile.

You want to talk about last year? How did you fair against the Eagles last year? I think that is the closest comparison to the Seahawks as you will find. Same basic offense and philosophy. Wish we had their defense, but I think our defense is good enough to stop your offense at this point.

[akseahawkfan]

The simple fact of the matter is the Seahawks do not have the personnel or coaching ability to beat the Redskins. ... The matchups, simply put, favor the Redskins.

What matchups favor the Redskins? I don't see a single unit on either side of the ball where the personnel is better than the Seahawks.

Alexander is an exceptional back. No one questions this fact. But, he will be easily controlled by the Redskins run defense. He is skilled enough to possibly break off a run, but, for the most part, he will be unable to generate anything consistent.

Alexander is successful because Seattle's offensive line is one of the best in the entire league. He's successful because defenses have difficulty stopping him while also defending the pass. He will be consistent because you don't have the strength up front to stop Jones and Hutchinson from creating huge holes for Strong to come through and clean out whichever LB or DB is stupid enough to try and fill that gap. As good as your defense is, you haven't faced anything like this yet.

Teams do not run against us. Suggesting we may tire if subjected to long possessions by your offense would be meaningful last year. After working together in the off season the Redskins showed remarkable stamina on defense in the heat of Texas.

I don't care what defense it is, getting put back on the field after repeated three and outs by their offense wears on them mentally and physically. Particularly when the opposition is consistently and relentlessly driving down the field to score time after time.

We're coming off a bye.

Last year you lost to Green Bay 14-28 at home coming off a bye. In 2003 you lost to Dallas in Dallas 14-21 coming off your bye. I don't think you really want to count on the bye as being a good thing for you.

Offensively, the Redskins are still coming together up front dealing with the communication aspects of integrating a new center. ...It will be a great surprise if you generate any real pressure in this game given our time to focus on this area. Good coverage may lead to sacks as it always will, but, your personnel won't beat us on the outside and you don't get Dockery on a down week, so, it's not likely you'll see much exploit.

I guess this is just one of those things that we'll just have to wait to see. The Seahawks have been bringing pretty good pressure against some pretty good and big offensive lines. Rhoades has been dialing up some good blitz packages that are using the best of the talent we have available. Even when we don't get sacks, we have people in the QB's face and at their feet which makes real hard to step in to deliver the ball. If you fall behind early and are forced to pass, look out because they will come after Brunell.

Portis tends to lift his game against top running backs. At home with an emotional crowd, he will surpass 100 yards fairly easily. Your defense is too small to handle the pounding. Early quickness on your part will create some big plays. And, again, in games like this we tend to be our most self destructive .

We may not be big, but we are fast and agressive. Also, they managed to shut down Atlanta's running game, and I don't think the Redskins are any better than they are at running the ball.

This is how you'll win if you do. If, however, we decide not to be quite as harmful to our chances the Seahawks are not a team we'll find all that concerning in terms of beating us without our assistance.

It would be great if your team was so dismissive of the Seahawks. I think they know better. I think they know that a quality team is coming to town and if they don't bring their A game, they will get whipped and good. Even with their A game, there is a good chance the Seahawks could beat them.

[Large_Ant]

"Now, fortunately for Seattle, the Redskins are a team always willing to break out a six turnover game with 15 penalties to keep you guys in it, but, as a general statement, there's nothing you have as a team that's overly concerning to the Redskins on either side of the ball."
...

"This is how you'll win if you do. If, however, we decide not to be quite as harmful to our chances the Seahawks are not a team we'll find all that concerning in terms of beating us without our assistance."
Not for nothing but this sounds like prepping an excuse.

"Even if we lose, it's not because we got beat, it's because we beat ourselves." I suppose in those six turnover games the balls just fall out of the RBs hands or interceptions are thrown to DBs that are standing there with their hands in their pockets. In no way is fumbling or poor passing a reflection of the Redskins being an inconsistent team, just the other team getting lucky. Yeah, whatever. The excuses are setting up nicely.

[Art]

Again with the last year stuff? You don't think teams got that stuff on tape from last year and the first two games this year? You don't think that teams are going to take advantage of that? Chicago and Dallas don't have the weapons to exploit your weaknesses on defense. You say it yourself that your defense won't rate as high because you play more good offenses - the Seahawks are one of those good offenses.

Alexander runs behind two Pro-Bowlers on the left side and one of the best blocking Full Backs in the league. The Redskins are going to have to commit a whole lot to stoping Alexander if that is what they choose to do. When they do that then we'll start hitting you with play action and the short passing game until you come up to stop that and then we'll burn you deep with the double move and pump fake. You haven't played an offense like this in awhile.

You want to talk about last year? How did you fair against the Eagles last year? I think that is the closest comparison to the Seahawks as you will find. Same basic offense and philosophy. Wish we had their defense, but I think our defense is good enough to stop your offense at this point.

Maybe you have a point. I mean, Gregg Williams has never been known to produce a top defense until last year, so, it is probably a fluke. Wait, that's not right. In fact, it's pretty normal for Gregg Williams to produce a top defense. That's what he does. Obviously we know teams have things on tape from last year. We're counting on it because they will prepare for things we'll appear to do that will be entirely different.

Remember against the Bears when they spoke about seeing things they'd never seen before on tape? We have that stuff too. We don't have Ray Rhodes as a coordinator. We have Gregg Williams. He actually CHANGES things a lot. And, we have great talent. We are among the top run stopping teams in football because that's what we do.

But, even when we DIDN'T do that, it wasn't like Alexander was tearing Washington up or anything. Right?

We enter this game with respect for your offense as it is a good, balanced attack. Sadly, you don't quite understand you need to fear our defense because it is a top unit, again, coached by the best staff with the most experience in football on that side of the ball.

Your offense has been good and faced good defenses before. Last year, for example, you played Tampa. The Bucs defense wan't as good as ours, but, you managed 10 points, 182 yards and a long drive of 29 yards. Something to fret, to be certain.

You played Buffalo, another good defense and one that looks a LOT like our defense as it was put together by Williams and is coached by a guy who gave Williams lots of new tricks. You managed 230 yards and all of 9 points. So, good defenses can stop the awesome offense you have. Obviously you know this.

So, knowing this, what you've had to do is create the fictional impression a defense that is better than those that throttled you will get pounded by you. Perhaps so, but, really, it would be a shock if it were to happen. Philly's offense is NOTHING like yours. You have a better running attack. They have a more dangerous QB who can make plays with his legs and a top receiver who breaks games open.

In our first game against them we were down 14-6 when our offense did what it does by self destructing and our defense caved a little and quit. Players acknowledged that was the game they knew they were out of contention with. But, we played them again with fewer players because of injury, and we beat them around like stepchildren causing them to flinch.

After the officials delivered them a touchdown on the opening series, the Eagles made a couple of plays in the game, but, with things on the line, here's what happened in the fourth quarter:

14:35 0:59 PHI 46 3 4 Interception
12:04 1:51 PHI 21 3 6 Punt
08:52 1:00 PHI 24 3 4 Punt
04:59 1:01 PHI 20 3 7 Punt
01:46 1:03 PHI 20 3 4 Punt

You can't say they weren't trying because they only ran twice in the first 10 plays of the quarter. We entered lock down. They were cringing from our physical play. The Eagles present matchup issues with us by having a top receiver and a very fast runner who catches passes well and a mobile QB. We've played the Eagles a lot. We've also played you some over the years.

Trust me, there's nothing about your offense that is all that worrisome in comparison. Alexander is great. But, we've stopped him with lesser talent and a lesser scheme. He might break a couple. That kind of thing can happen when a defense plays as aggressively as ours. But, for that to happen it would be quite rare and only your most fevered dreams allow it to be plausible.

It's your hope.

Your hope the Redskins defense isn't as good as those that typically stop you easily. Unfortunately, we're better than those defenses. Likely you will find things surprising when you get nothing going. But, if you're very lucky, we'll help you with turnovers and penalties. That is the most likely way you will win because you lack the ability to do much else.

But, I ONLY say this because of how easy you guys have been beaten by our team when we weren't as sound as we are now. Still, we're prone to the big mistake, so, you have a shot since we give everyone a shot :).

[Art]

What matchups favor the Redskins? I don't see a single unit on either side of the ball where the personnel is better than the Seahawks.

I hope your dog is well trained as I'd hate you to be hit by traffic crossing the street. The Redskins outclass your defense in ways typically measured in tons :). Talent, depth, versatility and scheme all favor the Redskins wildly on the defensive side. Offense is where things are more to your favor given superior play at QB, a very strong runner and a good offensive line.

The Redskins actually have more pure ability up front on the line than you have, and very good coaching, but, need to get the cohesion we lack for having made changes. Our ability to move you guys off the ball is where the matchup really goes our way. Your line will not be able to blow back our defensive line because that simply doesn't happen to our line, which is the BEST in football against the run. Your line is generally a little undersized and though mobile enough to make big plays, will have situations where you will wear down.

Portis is a dangerous back who still hasn't completely found his rhythm in our system, but, you can see where that will come given his effort and ability to generate positive yards out of plays you see little gain possible. Brunell is our wild card. We will be able to run for about 130 yards on you. If Brunell can be consistent and continue drives, the game will be over quickly. Alexander will be taken out of the contest and you lack the threat at receiver to dominate.

Alexander is successful because Seattle's offensive line is one of the best in the entire league. He's successful because defenses have difficulty stopping him while also defending the pass. He will be consistent because you don't have the strength up front to stop Jones and Hutchinson from creating huge holes for Strong to come through and clean out whichever LB or DB is stupid enough to try and fill that gap. As good as your defense is, you haven't faced anything like this yet.

Alexander is successful for all the reasons you mention. But, you haven't seen a defense as good as ours against the run. Suggesting we don't have the strength up front to stop the run shows a terrible ignorance. That's EXACTLY what our defensive line does. It's about ALL it does well :). We have good size up front and we're well schooled in a great system. No line in football controls the running game better than ours. It's not really close.

I don't care what defense it is, getting put back on the field after repeated three and outs by their offense wears on them mentally and physically. Particularly when the opposition is consistently and relentlessly driving down the field to score time after time.

Sure, when the opposition is consistenty and relentlessly driving down the field for scores time and again, a defense will give up some. Fortunately there's no chance of you getting that to happen. If we give you short fields, maybe you'll score some. But, we surrendered the fewest points as a defense in the league last year. We're in the SECOND year of the system THIS year, with more talent. Unless we GIVE you something, you won't likely TAKE anything.

Last year you lost to Green Bay 14-28 at home coming off a bye. In 2003 you lost to Dallas in Dallas 14-21 coming off your bye. I don't think you really want to count on the bye as being a good thing for you.

Actually, we beat Green Bay 21-20 coming off our bye last year. Unfortunately the officials took a touchdown from us on a bogus call then didn't call pass interference on a hold the next play. Green Bay was able to score late. You might want to know the details of play before making such statements. Green Bay did JUMP ALL over us early in that game though. We adjusted and held them after that nice early start.

I guess this is just one of those things that we'll just have to wait to see. The Seahawks have been bringing pretty good pressure against some pretty good and big offensive lines. Rhoades has been dialing up some good blitz packages that are using the best of the talent we have available. Even when we don't get sacks, we have people in the QB's face and at their feet which makes real hard to step in to deliver the ball. If you fall behind early and are forced to pass, look out because they will come after Brunell.

I actually like Rhodes a lot. I respected him when he was here. Having seen him coach a defense and seen Williams, however, the choice is clear. You guys have done a nice job generating sacks this year. The downside for you in this game is the longer this group plays together the fewer mental breakdowns will be witnessed. Physically your players aren't likely to beat ours in individual matchups. Mentally is where you might get something going. Rhodes may be doing more scheme stuff now than he usually does, but, he's generally not a guy who outsmarts the opposition.

Now, I'm not sure which offensive line you guys have played that you view as good. You've played three very, very, very poor pass blocking offensive lines. You should look good against them.

We may not be big, but we are fast and agressive. Also, they managed to shut down Atlanta's running game, and I don't think the Redskins are any better than they are at running the ball.

Atlanta's running game is Vick based. It always has been. Most team's don't have QBs capable of 900 yards rushing. Put a QB with around 100 yards, like most teams, and suddenly Atlanta's running game drops drastically. In any case, I think the Falcons did run for 115 yards and a 4.1 yard average against you. If you shut us down the exact same way we'll beat you by 10 points.

It would be great if your team was so dismissive of the Seahawks. I think they know better. I think they know that a quality team is coming to town and if they don't bring their A game, they will get whipped and good. Even with their A game, there is a good chance the Seahawks could beat them.

I know we know we have a quality team coming to town. We recognize a solid offense and frisky defense is coming. No one is dismissing that at all. You, on the other hand, have entirely dismissed the reality of our defense and even the improved nature -- through some added explosiveness -- of our offense. In any case, if we don't kill ourselves you won't win. If there's an outcome where we play well and cleanly and you do I'll congratulate you for it. It's just not likely.

[Art]

Not for nothing but this sounds like prepping an excuse.

"Even if we lose, it's not because we got beat, it's because we beat ourselves." I suppose in those six turnover games the balls just fall out of the RBs hands or interceptions are thrown to DBs that are standing there with their hands in their pockets. In no way is fumbling or poor passing a reflection of the Redskins being an inconsistent team, just the other team getting lucky. Yeah, whatever. The excuses are setting up nicely.

Most of the mistakes the Redskins make are unforced in nature. I have long worried and openly stated that our team is defined more by these dumb mistakes than anything else -- including good defense. I'm not setting up an excuse in the slightest. If we beat ourselves because of dumb plays that we give you but you don't really have a hand in, then, you'll win because we're a dumb team, not because you have better players.

One day we may not be a dumb team. It won't be lucky for you to have us play in this way. It's generally how we play in such games as this. More than anything this is the area we have to overcome. It is similar to the dropped passes thing you guys experience. If we have a really close game that we win but you guys drop eight passes you should have caught and didn't but we didn't have anything to do with stopping, you can say, "Hey, Art, we beat ourselves." You'll be right.

Your team has those characteristics too. No doubt about it. Those are defining characteristics of teams. You hope you're overcoming them on your end. We haven't seen any real improvement here on ours. So, I'm prepared for us to just do so many dumb things as to cost us the game because that's what we do.

If you take the ball away from us by big hits or great individual plays, I'll certainly know the difference. That would be a sign of a superior team taking it to us. Again, I just don't see that as likely.

[akseahawkfan]

Maybe you have a point. I mean, Gregg Williams has never been known to produce a top defense until last year, so, it is probably a fluke. Wait, that's not right...

Where did I even insinuate that the Redskins coaching staff was anything less than top notch? I have nothing but respect for them as individuals and collectively. The ONLY thing I have said is that coaches coach and players play. No matter how good the coaching and schemes may be the players still have to go out and execute.

We enter this game with respect for your offense as it is a good, balanced attack. Sadly, you don't quite understand you need to fear our defense because it is a top unit, again, coached by the best staff with the most experience in football on that side of the ball.

All I have said is that I haven't seen it THIS YEAR. Considering that you played Chicago and Dallas I would think that your defense would have really shined. It didn't. It was ok. It was good enough to win. But, it wasn't impressive. It wasn't dominating. It wasn't something that strikes 'fear' in the heart of this Seahawks fan.

Your offense has been good and faced good defenses before. Last year, for example ... You played Buffalo ...good defenses can stop the awesome offense you have. Obviously you know this.

Sure I know this. I just don't know that the Redskins are THAT good - THIS year. Also, I need to point out that the problem with last year's offense was basically dropped balls by the receivers. That hasn't been a problem through the first three games this year. Holmgren also seems to be more willing to stay with run longer.

Trust me, there's nothing about your offense that is all that worrisome in comparison. Alexander is great. But, we've stopped him with lesser talent and a lesser scheme. He might break a couple. That kind of thing can happen when a defense plays as aggressively as ours. But, for that to happen it would be quite rare and only your most fevered dreams allow it to be plausible.

Like I said earlier. I can't believe the Redskins are as dismissive of the Seahawks as you are. This is an offense that is good enough to score at any time against any team. Will they do that Sunday against the Redskins, I think so. Will it be enough to beat them? Yeah, I think so. I think so because I don't think the Redskins have an offense capable of scoring more than the Seahawks. If the Redskins are good enough to hold the Seahawks to 7 points, the Seahawks will be good enough to hold the Redskins to 6. I don't think it will be that close or that low of scores, but the W will be in the visitors column.

Your hope the Redskins defense isn't as good as those that typically stop you easily. Unfortunately, we're better than those defenses. Likely you will find things surprising when you get nothing going. But, if you're very lucky, we'll help you with turnovers and penalties. That is the most likely way you will win because you lack the ability to do much else.

Let me make sure I have this correct. If the Redskins win it's because they are the better team. If the Redskins lose it's because they had a bad game. Ok. Got it. :laugh:

[akseahawkfan]

I think I have said everything I can say about the upcoming game on Sunday. I want to thank you all for being so hospitable and allowing me the opportunity to exchange views. Seriously a pleasure, and I don't want to wear out my welcome. The Redskins will be my favorite team every week they face a NFCW team. Give 'em hell.

I have one final thought to add before game day:

Most of the mistakes the Redskins make are unforced in nature. I have long worried and openly stated that our team is defined more by these dumb mistakes than anything else -- including good defense. I'm not setting up an excuse in the slightest. If we beat ourselves because of dumb plays that we give you but you don't really have a hand in, then, you'll win because we're a dumb team, not because you have better players.

Now Art, you have made a whole lot about how the Redskins coaching is so superior to the Seahawks. While I've given my respects to the Redskins coaching staff, I have to wonder why you don't hold coaching responsible for these "dumb mistakes". In my thinking dumb mistakes are the results of poor coaching and a lack of discipline. You can't give credit to the coaches for everything good and then not hold them accountable for everything bad. Well, I guess you can, but that doesn't make much sense does it?

I'll be here win or lose Sunday after the game. I'll be interested in the comments of those of you that see the game live. It's always a little different in person.

Ak

[BlueTalon]

So basically, what you're saying is that this game will either be a blowout by the Skins, a close game won by the Skins, a close game won by Seattle, or a blowout by Seattle?

Hard to argue with that. :)
I like covering all the bases! :silly:

The real point I was trying to make, though, is that I believe a Seahawks route of the Redskins is possible. That's something that hasn't been seen much on any of these threads. I'm not predicting it, and I think the game is going to be a bit of a slugfest, but if we get one or two breaks, that might trigger a fairly high scoring game.

[Large_Ant]

I like covering all the bases! :silly:

The real point I was trying to make, though, is that I believe a Seahawks route of the Redskins is possible. That's something that hasn't been seen much on any of these threads. I'm not predicting it, and I think the game is going to be a bit of a slugfest, but if we get one or two breaks, that might trigger a fairly high scoring game.Art, your logic is extremely poor. If a team is not as mentally tough as another, then by definition, they are not as good of a team. I could go on and on about how we were really better than the Rams last year but we just dropped too many balls. Guess what? If we're dropping balls and they're not, that means they're better.

Losing because you dropped passes and the other team didn't means you lost because the other team was better. If you turn the ball over without being forced and the other team doesn't, that means they're better.

Saying "We didn't lose, we beat ourselves" is the biggest cop out in the world for having your backside handed to you.

At the end of the day, the team with the most points wins. And whatever mistake that you can come up with that the other team didn't commit only goes to prove the obvious. That they're better. Simple logic sans the excuses.

[Art]

Now Art, you have made a whole lot about how the Redskins coaching is so superior to the Seahawks. While I've given my respects to the Redskins coaching staff, I have to wonder why you don't hold coaching responsible for these "dumb mistakes". In my thinking dumb mistakes are the results of poor coaching and a lack of discipline. You can't give credit to the coaches for everything good and then not hold them accountable for everything bad. Well, I guess you can, but that doesn't make much sense does it?

I'll be here win or lose Sunday after the game. I'll be interested in the comments of those of you that see the game live. It's always a little different in person.

Ak

I do hold the coaching responsible for the dumb mistakes we make. Which is why it was so refreshing to see Gibbs pull Ramsey from the equation given he's a one-man wrecking crew in terms of mistakes. We may have to do MORE of this. Gibbs spent a year getting to know his players and the league. Now he's going to have to start pulling more talented players who can't get over a propensity for a little mental slip. Dockery, as an example, might have to come out of the lineup.

I believe Gibbs has failed to do what he must in this area, but, he's done a number of other things so that you can see changes in this area pending. He's instilled a character and toughness in this team we've lacked. He's instilled a unity both by being good with his player communication and by removing those guys identified as "I" types.

He's brought a work ethic we haven't had in 12 years. He saw an offense incapable of explosion and he's bringing more of that. He's got to find a way to generate consistency on offense -- the ability to sustain drives. Part of that is getting rid of the numerous mental mistakes that continue to set us back. Brunell making the wrong read against Dallas leading to an interception is an acceptable, normal error to see. Making the RIGHT read but making the wrong pass leading to an error is the type of thing Ramsey would do.

Now, if the Cowboys game was a rare one you'll see from teams a couple of times a year -- even the best, most disciplined teams -- that's fine. We won't know if this aspect has changed until about half way through.

[Art]

Art, your logic is extremely poor. If a team is not as mentally tough as another, then by definition, they are not as good of a team. I could go on and on about how we were really better than the Rams last year but we just dropped too many balls. Guess what? If we're dropping balls and they're not, that means they're better.

Losing because you dropped passes and the other team didn't means you lost because the other team was better. If you turn the ball over without being forced and the other team doesn't, that means they're better.

Saying "We didn't lose, we beat ourselves" is the biggest cop out in the world for having your backside handed to you.

At the end of the day, the team with the most points wins. And whatever mistake that you can come up with that the other team didn't commit only goes to prove the obvious. That they're better. Simple logic sans the excuses.

While I understand what you are saying I think it is simple enough to understand what I'm saying. Mistakes are either correctable or they are not. Mistakes that are unable to be corrected are a sign of a weaker player. In the case of Seattle, for some time you're receivers have had a bad case of the dropsies.

This is either a correctable issue or it is not. Many here have stated it is correctable who follow the Seahawks because it's not been as obviously a problem this year. If you lose a game while obviously being better than another team but areas of correctable errors the staff has focused on rears up to bring about a loss, you can view the context of the game itself and know whether your butts were handed to you, or whether you handed your butts to them.

More, though, games such as this for Washington tend to see a team very hyped up pressing way too hard and making remarkable numbers of mistakes. Why? Because this game against the Seahawks is the exact one the Redskins have failed to overcome on the path to improving. This is the first game of this sort with Gibbs. Under Spurrier and Marty and Norv we had games like this where we failed and we failed in ways that signaled we were not ready, as a team, to take the next step in level and competition.

So, it would not surprise me to see an effort far more clearly self-defeating that being beaten. It also wouldn't be a great surprise to see something of a coming together in a well played game as well. Gibbs identified a number of players making the type of mental errors that kill us and he got rid of them. Rasby, early last year, for a series of improperly run plays. Coles for routinely poor route running decisions. Gardner for the same and drops. Raymer simply for some physical limitations leading to mental mistakes in a full-time starting role. Brown, age and an unfamilar (not having been played for years) position leading to some communication errors.

These players have rotated out by guys generally capable of better mentally sound play. Ramsey was just pulled so the full offense could at least be called without constant fret of the boneheaded mistake. Gibbs is finding the guys he can rely on. He may not have that team yet. What we do generally know already, however, is the type of team he does have is one a team like yours will have a hard time with -- more physical in strength and nature -- unless we make it easy for you.

[bubba9497]

I like covering all the bases! :silly:

The real point I was trying to make, though, is that I believe a Seahawks route of the Redskins is possible. That's something that hasn't been seen much on any of these threads. I'm not predicting it, and I think the game is going to be a bit of a slugfest, but if we get one or two breaks, that might trigger a fairly high scoring game.

:rolleyes:

well considering the Skins defense gave up the fewest points (against the defense only) in the league last season, and so far this season are avg.'ng only 10 Pt's per game against two teams that scored 69 points combined in their next game after playing the Skins, .... that is highly improbable.

For that matter, the Skins offense might explode and route the seahawks.....

[BlueTalon]

:rolleyes:

well considering the Skins defense gave up the fewest points (against the defense only) in the league last season, and so far this season are avg.'ng only 10 Pt's per game against two teams that scored 69 points combined in their next game after playing the Skins, .... that is highly improbable.

For that matter, the Skins offense might explode and route the seahawks.....
Oh, I agree it's highly improbable. I also agree a route could go the other way. I merely was saying that I think it's possible, whereas most people posting do not.

I fully expect to see a close, tough game. I will be surprised, but not shocked, to see a blowout.

[trimee]

:seahawksu IMO, the Portis vs. Alexander talk is... amusing to put it gently.
When you have a running back that actually wants to STAY in town....come talking to us then

[trimee]

Again with the last year stuff? You want to talk about last year? How did you fair against the Eagles last year?

Again troll, this can work both ways. How did you do against St. Louis last year? :seahawksu

[Arsenic]

Again with the last year stuff? You don't think teams got that stuff on tape from last year and the first two games this year? You don't think that teams are going to take advantage of that? Chicago and Dallas don't have the weapons to exploit your weaknesses on defense. You say it yourself that your defense won't rate as high because you play more good offenses - the Seahawks are one of those good offenses.

Alexander runs behind two Pro-Bowlers on the left side and one of the best blocking Full Backs in the league. The Redskins are going to have to commit a whole lot to stoping Alexander if that is what they choose to do. When they do that then we'll start hitting you with play action and the short passing game until you come up to stop that and then we'll burn you deep with the double move and pump fake. You haven't played an offense like this in awhile.

You want to talk about last year? How did you fair against the Eagles last year? I think that is the closest comparison to the Seahawks as you will find. Same basic offense and philosophy. Wish we had their defense, but I think our defense is good enough to stop your offense at this point.

Now that we beat the Cowboys, everyone is off the "most improved team of the century" bandwagon :) Now, all of a sudden, they don't have an offense worth bragging about shuttingdown. It's funny how that works.

Who exactly did the Seahawks beat? The New England Patriots?

Now you're comparing your team to the Eagles, man, you guys aren't that good. and we almost beat the Eagles last year—if that's the answer you were looking for. The Arizona Cardinals use some of the same schemes as some of the best teams in NFL history, but that doesn't mean they are going to play like them.

[Streater101]

If I didn't know this thread was about the Seahawks, I would have assumed we were facing Randal, Moss, Carter, and rest of the 98 Minnesota Vikings tommorow.

Seattle is nowhere in the same league as Philly (as much as it pains me to pay the Birds a compliment) so its laughable to compare our performance vs. them as some barometer for the game Sunday

I'm not going to start playing the Kevin Bacon game; "well, we played this team, and this team is good, and we won, therefore, we'll win etc..." We beat NE the year they won the Superbowl, so I guess that makes us better than the other 16 teams they beat en route to the Championship. :doh:

I'll just say I like our chances because I'm supremely confident about our front seven vs. Alexander, and see no bad matches in the secondary to make us play him honest.

[bubba9497]

IMO, the Portis vs. Alexander talk is... amusing to put it gently.

yes it is, because Portis puts up big yards even against good teams, and doesn't have the cream puff nfc west to get easy yards against.

not to mention our #2 guy coul start on most teams... exactly who is you backup rb?

:laugh: geez, smack talk from a seahawk fan is laughable

[skinsfan12]

a ream puff...ouch
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EDIT: nevermind..

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[AJ_Skins]

It's not complicated. The Seahawks don't match up with us well at all. We should win this game. It's all on Brunell.

[bubba9497]

speaking of that vaulted Seahawk defense

in game one AGAINST THE OFFENSIVE JUGGERNAUT JAGS (#16 OFFENSIVELY) they gave up 26 points.... then the High flying Jags, mustered up 3 against the Colts. Gave up 362 total yards, 119 rushing.

In game two, with a commanding 21 point lead at home, the Stonewall defense of Seattle's, gave up 18 unanswered points to The Falcons (#22 Offensively) in the second half, and was close to losing the game.

Then they faced their toughest challenge The Arizona Cardinals (#18), and there second string QB, holding them to a staggering 12 pts, and 266 total yards :thud:


How do they do these tremendous feats????

The offense put up a hard fought 37 against the powerful Cards defense (#22), and 21 early points against the awesome Falcon defense (#16).... and put up a tremendous 14 against the #2 Jags defense.

easy to see where all the bravado is coming from :rotflmao:

[Nighthawk]

History only seems to matter when it favors the Seahawks according to the statements that their fans make.

You can't make a statement that the Seahawks have had a better record than the 'skins since the last time they made the playoffs in '99, therefore they've been the better team but then dismiss that during that time, the Seahawks haven't beaten the 'skins. Which is it? Does past history matter or not.

If it does, then regardless of our record, we've been better than the Seahawks every time we've met them. PERIOD.

Tomorrow will be the same.

[BlueTalon]

History is history. I've been trying to make the point all along that this year is a new year, these teams are new teams, even if they have many of the same players. (Yes, there's continuity, but there's also new chemistry, new schemes, new players...) So I am with you on this -- people should not get wrapped up in previous years' records when trying to figure out what's going to happen in upcoming games.

However, having said that...

For what it's worth, Washington has an 8-4 lead in the series between the two teams. That means, Nighthawk, that for four games, the Seahawks were a better team than the Redskins. I'd recommend shying away from absolute, categorical statements.

[Larry]

Re: History:

I remember a scene from The Mary Tyler Moore Show

Ted says something stupid on the air. Lou announces his intention to go in there and kill him. Mary says "Lou, you know violence never settles anything."

Lou gives her a withering look, and says: "Mary, violence has settled every war in history, every Super Bowl ever played, and a lot of marriages I know."

Yes, historicly, the Skins have been the better team.

(However, Talon's right. That won't mean a whole lot, tomorrow.)

Like the disclaimer says on the commercials "Past results do not guarantee future earnings". Just ask the folks in Dallas.

:)

[dreamingwolf]

blue talon is my adversary this week, and you my ally quote mary tyler moore. what have we become

[BlueTalon]

blue talon is my adversary this week, and you my ally quote mary tyler moore. what have we become
Mushy?

:cheers:

[ArmchairRedskin]

Oh puhleeze. You can't honestly think that those two "throw it as far as you can and let the receiver run under it" plays are anything other than a hope and prayer do you? Come on. The first one you caught the Cowboys napping. The second one they just plain sucked. There is no way in hell that the Cowboys D should have been beat deep like that with under 3 minutes to go with a 6 point lead. You should also send thank you cards to the Cowboy Defensive players for that gift.

You don't have an offensive line that can make holes for Portis or protect Brunell. Perhaps if your OL could play even decent your playmakers may have a chance. As it is, Portis will be out of the game in the first half because you'll have to play catch up. You'll have to go to max protect schemes to give Brunell even an even chance to get a pass off before he's on his back.

It will be a sad day for a once proud franchise. I admire you all for sticking by your team, even in these tough times.


Nice call there, buddy. :laugh:

[hands11]

Oh puhleeze. You can't honestly think that those two "throw it as far as you can and let the receiver run under it" plays are anything other than a hope and prayer do you? Come on. The first one you caught the Cowboys napping. The second one they just plain sucked. There is no way in hell that the Cowboys D should have been beat deep like that with under 3 minutes to go with a 6 point lead. You should also send thank you cards to the Cowboy Defensive players for that gift.

You don't have an offensive line that can make holes for Portis or protect Brunell. Perhaps if your OL could play even decent your playmakers may have a chance. As it is, Portis will be out of the game in the first half because you'll have to play catch up. You'll have to go to max protect schemes to give Brunell even an even chance to get a pass off before he's on his back.

It will be a sad day for a once proud franchise. I admire you all for sticking by your team, even in these tough times.

:laugh: :laugh:

[BruinSkin]

Blah, blah, blah. Typical fanboy blather.

Hey, good call, Nostradamus. You remind me of a certain QB in the NFL that said "We'll take the ball, and we're gonna score!" Don't quit your day job, Miss Cleo.

[Om]

What the heck.

Playoff bump. :)

[The Top Cat]

Hawks fan here;

Seattle's strengths

Offensive line, in particular the left side of Jones and Hutch. (IMO, the best in the NFL)
Mack Strong: His blocking and solid verteran play helps make SA.
Alexander: Yes he is Overrated, but see above. He ain't chopped liver though.
Matt Hasselback: He has a hot hand and is playing exceptionally well.
Receiving Corps: They're actually catching the ball this year. None spectacular, lots of depth and quality.

Defense: Vastly Improved defensive line. Very tough on the run and able to put "some" pressure the passer. Although they are vulnerable to the pass.
Linebacker: Young but solid players here.
Secondary: Been really banged up, and with the exception of the Hammer (Ken Hamlin) they appear to be healthy once again. When healthy, they pretty decent.

Special Teams, with the exception of Josh Brown (PK), huge weakness for the Hawks. This could be their downfall.


If the Skins can create turnovers and run the ball without coughing it up (is Portis really healthy?). You can win. But if Alexander chews up the ground and Seattle's defense creates some turnovers....that flight home will be a big one.

[SkinsFTW]

bump bump bump!!!!!

[zoony]

Did any of these Seahawk clowns come back after the last game and take their medicine? (other than BT of course).

Their comments before the last game are eerily similar to the comments before this one.

I like it. :)

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