WT: Arrington's status surprises Bailey

[bubba9497]

Arrington's status surprises Bailey
By Ryan O'Halloran
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
http://insider.washingtontimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20051005-114513-9974r

Include Denver cornerback Champ Bailey among those surprised LaVar Arrington is not a bigger part of the Washington Redskins defense.

Bailey was Arrington's teammate for four seasons with the Redskins and they made three Pro Bowls together (2001-03).

Arrington was limited to two plays in the Redskins' win over Seattle on Sunday and has two tackles in three games.

"He's the best athlete on that team," Bailey said. "I never saw a reason to bench LaVar when I was there. Maybe it's different there now."

Things are different for the Redskins, and much of their current defense doesn't feature Arrington. Following yesterday's two-hour practice at Redskin Park, Arrington and coach Joe Gibbs had an extended conversation.

"We were just talking," Arrington said when asked about the details.
In an interview on Monday, Arrington expressed puzzlement with his lack of playing time. Yesterday, his teammates on defense understood Arrington's frustration.

"I know it's tough for him because he's a competitor," defensive end Renaldo Wynn said. "It's something that they can hopefully get hashed out and squared away. I don't know what the outcome will be.

"I definitely think he can help us because he's a heck of a talent. Hopefully he can get more snaps and contribute. But whatever they need to get situated, they need to take care of."

Wynn said Arrington rotated snaps with the starting defense during practice.

"I know LaVar wants to be out there a lot more than he has been," middle linebacker Lemar Marshall said. "I know he wants to be contributing a lot more than he has been. It's not his call. I guess when it's time to be out there, he'll be out there."

Outside linebacker Marcus Washington called Arrington "one of our better players" on defense.

"I think as time goes along, they'll work LaVar in more and more," Washington added. "I think he's going to be fine. With his athletic ability, every time he gets in, he can make a big play."

Against Seattle, Warrick Holdman saw almost all of the snaps at linebacker and Chris Clemons received snaps as a pass rusher on third down.

Bailey was traded for Clinton Portis after the 2003 season. Does Arrington see a similar fate for himself?

"No -- he was playing," Arrington said. "I haven't lost all hope. I still have some."

Injury report

Kicker John Hall (quad) and cornerback Walt Harris (calf) are questionable for the Denver game. Hall attempted a few kickoffs Monday, but Harris was limited to light jogging during yesterday's practice.

Gibbs said Harris remains a day-to-day proposition. As for Hall, Gibbs said, "Is he ready to go full blown, blast off on kickoffs? I don't think he is."

Safety Pierson Prioleau (hamstring), who missed the Seattle game, returned to practice. Prioleau, linebacker Clemons (knee), right tackle Jon Jansen (thumbs) and safety Sean Taylor (shoulder) are probable.

The Broncos' nine-player injury list includes Bailey and former Redskins tight end Stephen Alexander, who is probable with a thigh injury. Bailey is questionable but did practice yesterday.

Extra points

The Redskins-Broncos game is the only one in the NFL this weekend in which both teams have winning records. ..
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Denver allowed only 12 rushing yards to Jacksonville last week, the second lowest in Broncos history. ...

Former Maryland standout Domonique Foxworth, a third-round pick by the Broncos this year, started in place of Bailey against Jacksonville and had seven solo tackles and an interception.

• Staff writer David Elfin contributed to this report.

[Timurchin]

The Redskins are missing one thing to make them a super bowl contender. Something that gets off of the bus and the other team says "What the hell is that" ? That is Arrington, the heart and sole of the team. The next time that he plays he must rise above and beyond mortal ability and remind everyone why he wears the #56 ! Only then will we be the #1 defense, only then can we make a super bowl run.:redpunch:Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton

[ChampSkinsFanatic]

Greg Williams better put Lavar in the game, theres no reason a player like Lavar should be on the bench. I garauntee you our defense will be way better than it is with him in it.

Its a slap in the face to go out of your way not to put him in.

"Chris Clemons received snaps as a pass rusher on third down"

Chris Clemons pass rushing instead of Lavar? Come on now...

[pogoism9]

I think they may be looking for LaVar's "niche". It would not surprise me in the least to see him get a decent amount of time in this weekend.

"Wynn said Arrington rotated snaps with the starting defense during practice" leads me to believe that we may see more of him soon...

[Boss_Hogg]

I think alot of fans will be surprised by the amount of time LaVar spends on the field this Sunday. I envision Williams creating a scheme where LaVar spys Plummer.

I hope so...so much money and talent going to waste. :doh:

[kappaluvacee]

Gregg knows what he is doing. Everyone earns a job on the field these days. No more salary dictating moves. When/if Lavar gets back on the field he will value it much more and mind his assignments better.

[SkinzRool]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Arrington fan, but he has shown that he can definitely be beaten in pass coverage. He also has that propensity for the costly personal foul penalties. With that said, I'm sure GW can find many more packages to get him involved in pass rushing and run stuffing plays. The guy is a tremendous athlete who gives everything he has on the field. And now that he's older maybe he has learned not to take those dumb penalties. However, I guess we'll never know this since he's never on the field. :2cents:

[kb7]

Again, this is crazy. I really, really hope this man gets on the field Sunday. This is almost the talk of the NFL. It's on the NFL network, you got other players talking about it. Folks for future free agents thinking of coming to Washington, it ain't good. Again if they would treat a player of his talent this way, what in the world will they think.........."nope I'm not going to Washington, I want to go somewhere where we can win, and I can play"

While all this time this dude is saying he still has hope!!!! I do hope now he goes somewhere else and comes back to punish the Redskins.:mad:

[tundey]

Are Redskins fans hard to please? If it takes Lavar not playing for the Redskins to be successfull, I am all for it. Someone said "so much money and talent going to waste". So what? If there's a better and more disciplined player, I say bench the big money players.

[kappaluvacee]

Again, this is crazy. I really, really hope this man gets on the field Sunday. This is almost the talk of the NFL. It's on the NFL network, you got other players talking about it. Folks for future free agents thinking of coming to Washington, it ain't good. Again if they would treat a player of his talent this way, what in the world will they think.........."nope I'm not going to Washington, I want to go somewhere where we can win, and I can play"

While all this time this dude is saying he still has hope!!!! I do hope now he goes somewhere else and comes back to punish the Redskins.:mad:

This is all over the media because it is talk worthy. This won't keep players from coming, if nothing else it will encourage the correct type of players to come here. Players will see that they can get a fair shake and decent pay if they come here. I like Lavar, but he isn't the foundation of this defense, Marcus Washington is. With that said he must play to MW's level. We haven't seen that from Lavar since the 01 season. I hope this gets resolved, but I'm confident in the coaching staff.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

Again, this is crazy. I really, really hope this man gets on the field Sunday. This is almost the talk of the NFL. It's on the NFL network, you got other players talking about it. Folks for future free agents thinking of coming to Washington, it ain't good. Again if they would treat a player of his talent this way, what in the world will they think.........."nope I'm not going to Washington, I want to go somewhere where we can win, and I can play"

While all this time this dude is saying he still has hope!!!! I do hope now he goes somewhere else and comes back to punish the Redskins.:mad:

Have you not read all the of Arrington articles and posts that have been out?

Arrington doesn't know the defense.. plain and simple.. if the guy doesn't know the defense then what benefit would it be to put him out there? None. Because he will be messing up, missing assignments as well as being out of position. There is a reason he's wearing that QB wrist band with all the plays on it. BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW THE DEFENSE!

[pez]

Do any of you think this is some sort of smokescreen ploy, and that maybe they will "unleash" him in one of our important games?

Just a thought...

[goldenster95]

Outside linebacker Marcus Washington called Arrington "one of our better players" on defense.

"Better" players? Jeez, was that some slip-of-the tongue by Marcus or was that intentional?

[Redsknz4life]

Are Redskins fans hard to please? If it takes Lavar not playing for the Redskins to be successfull, I am all for it. Someone said "so much money and talent going to waste". So what? If there's a better and more disciplined player, I say bench the big money players.
Tundey, what the hell are you talking about "If there's a better and more disciplined player, I say bench the big money players". Who has shown that they are a better linebacker on out team...besides Marcus Washington that they can make big plays like Lavar Arrington?

Warrick Holdman has 5 freaking tackles in 3 games...damn I can get out there and fall on someone for 3 damn tackels...LOL

[TheGreek1973]

Tundey, what the hell are you talking about "If there's a better and more disciplined player, I say bench the big money players". Who has shown that they are a better linebacker on out team...besides Marcus Washington that they can make big plays like Lavar Arrington?

Warrick Holdman has 5 freaking tackles in 3 games...damn I can get out there and fall on someone for 3 damn tackels...LOL

hey I don't remember which game but I saw a ref tackle the ball carrier a couple of times in ONE GAME. :laugh:

[barefoot]

Greg Williams better put Lavar in the game, theres no reason a player like Lavar should be on the bench. I garauntee you our defense will be way better than it is with him in it.

Its a slap in the face to go out of your way not to put him in.

"Chris Clemons received snaps as a pass rusher on third down"

Chris Clemons pass rushing instead of Lavar? Come on now...

Yeah, that stupid Gregg Williams guy, what the heck does he know, he's only at practice evey day!! :doh:

[GSF]

Again, this is crazy. I really, really hope this man gets on the field Sunday. This is almost the talk of the NFL. It's on the NFL network, you got other players talking about it.

Yanking Ramsey for Brunell was the talk of the NFL 3 weeks ago and we haven't lost since.



Folks for future free agents thinking of coming to Washington, it ain't good. Again if they would treat a player of his talent this way, what in the world will they think.........."nope I'm not going to Washington, I want to go somewhere where we can win, and I can play"
You do know that the Skins are 3-0, don't you?



While all this time this dude is saying he still has hope!!!! I do hope now he goes somewhere else and comes back to punish the Redskins.:mad:

Are you freakin' crazy? you want the Skins to get punished b/c you think Lavar is getting a raw deal? What kind of fan are you?

[TD Riggo]

Are Redskins fans hard to please? If it takes Lavar not playing for the Redskins to be successfull, I am all for it. Someone said "so much money and talent going to waste". So what? If there's a better and more disciplined player, I say bench the big money players.


So you really believe that Warrick Holdman and Chris Clemmons are better players than Arrington?! :doh:

[Higgs44]

Morale of the story....

Dont bad mouth the team or its coaches to the Media.... Not while Mr. Gibbs is around! :point2sky

[kb7]

Have you not read all the of Arrington articles and posts that have been out?

Arrington doesn't know the defense.. plain and simple.. if the guy doesn't know the defense then what benefit would it be to put him out there? None. Because he will be messing up, missing assignments as well as being out of position. There is a reason he's wearing that QB wrist band with all the plays on it. BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW THE DEFENSE!



I truly respect everyone's point of view here, but do we know for sure he doesn't know the defense?? I talked to a guy who helps coach my sons little league football team and he said the same thing, I asked him, "well how do you know" his answer was, "that's what I heard"
Champ Bailey even said he saw NO PROBLEM like that when he was here. This kinda stuff is just someone spouting off at the mouth and people running with it. I will tell you one thing, I would rather have him doing his thing and making pro bowls, and bringing fans into the seats, and making the defense even that much better then someone who misses tackles and stands in the "right" spot.
That's just what my friends and I saw from our seats on Sunday!!!
As I said in other posts, it's all about that contract folks. He can't get the money if he doesn't play and make the Pro Bowl. Ya'll can say all this other stuff you want, but that is how the Redskins do buisness, and yes the skins who have overpaid before would do something like that.
As I have said before they have done it to a whole bunch of others. We all love Art Monk, but go back and see what happened to him!! Brian Mitchell also, though his might not be as bad as Arrington, B-Mitch kinda told Dan Snyder were to shove it.
I feels so strong about this because it's not like we get REAL REDSKINS anymore, folks just come in to make the money and roll out as soon as the contract is close to being over. We have a dude in Lavar who at one time said if the Skins let him go he would probably retire, because he loved it here so much!! We don't get too many of those kinda players around here anymore, and it's a shame the way he is going out.
I guess Free Agency has kinda killed the loyalty. OOh well!!!


Free Lavar:logo:

[kb7]

One last thing, I play football EVER Sunday, and I still where a wrist band, not because I don't know the play, but because it is a reference. So does everyone on offense!!!
Next excuse!!!

[Janitor of FedEx Field]

The way I see it is that L.A got injured and lost his job. L.A is healthy now and doesn't want to work to get it back. He expected it to be given back to him since he's such a superstar :rolleyes:

[skinsmania123]

Just my take on this Arrington issue. Players themselves are the harshest critics of one another. And if guy's on our Defense are saying Arrington can play, and significantly contribute then damn it he still has it and he can still play. But notice our guy's are trying to watch their mouths, perhaps so they too do not get into the William's dog house. You know guy's that are good have big ego's and often have mouths just to keep themselves pumped up. That is all it is with LaVar. You know you can agree with a coach's decision to not play a guy due to attitude, but in my opinion, the mark of a good coach is getting some of your most recalcitrant players to buy into your philosophy.

This guy can play and everyone knows it, particularly his teammates AND the competition. I simply do not buy the argument of Arrington needing to have confidence in his knee. Smokescreen. Bull****. He is confident in his knee and his ability.

Yup I am biased...he is one of my favorites on the Skins. He played his "guts out" when we were losing bad a few years ago, and I respect that.

[kb7]

The way I see it is that L.A got injured and lost his job. L.A is healthy now and doesn't want to work to get it back. He expected it to be given back to him since he's such a superstar :rolleyes:




Bro', Jon Jansen got hurt last year also. He didn't have to do too much to get his job back. If you have played ball before, when you step out on the field you can't help but give your all, number one because you don't want the guy in front of you to beat you, and also your getting paid!!
Next wonderful excuse please!
If Arrington was an offensive player none of this would be going on. That dude would be in the game.

[G-Prime]

When I played, everyone on the offense wore the wrist band accept myself and the line. We only had 8 running plays in our book lol. However on our defence only our safeties wore them

[ttr77]

I honestly can't believe that anyone on this board can claim to know more about Arrington's status and knowledge of the defense than his coaches that have been watching him practice and on tape non-stop for months now.

[Skins11]

Geez people, if there is one thing you can be sure of, it is that Gregg Williams knows what he's doing! Hasn't he earned that trust from you with what he has done so far? Of course he knows Lavar is talented. He isn't trying to hold this defense down. :doh:

[Matador36]

Do any of you think this is some sort of smokescreen ploy, and that maybe they will "unleash" him in one of our important games?

Just a thought...

That's what I was thinking... like an evil mad scientist that keeps a monster in a cage with no food and under constant torture just to let it out on to its enemies.

[The Oracle]

Have you not read all the of Arrington articles and posts that have been out?

Arrington doesn't know the defense.. plain and simple.. if the guy doesn't know the defense then what benefit would it be to put him out there? None. Because he will be messing up, missing assignments as well as being out of position. There is a reason he's wearing that QB wrist band with all the plays on it. BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW THE DEFENSE!---
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Hey Porcelain.... the wrist band has the PLAYS, not the formations for the plays, guru. Thus, Lemar makes the call once, maybe twice in the huddle, and Lavar may check it on wrist band assuring he's got the right call. The wristband doesn't graphically depict WHERE he is in the formation.

So stop all the LA-Hatin'.... U people are ridiculous!!!!

[Newera]

Plummer has gotten in this rhythm with play action passing and bootlegging as of late. Shanahan has found a way to play to Jakes strength. Jake is not as dangerous when he's just standing in the pocket.

Our defense typically likes to take away one of your strengths or comfort level plays. It's definately play action with the Broncs and the bootleg roll out option.

I can see Williams devising a scheme to disrupt Plummer. Jake does not play as well when his rhythm is dis-rupted. Thus Lavar Arrington.

I think he may devising a scheme much like Marty did by having Lavar spy McNabb. Except he will be spying Plummer. Arrington is just the athlete that can chase Jake down and get in his head.

The key to disrupting Denver is take away the run so play action is not nearly as effective -- and getting after Plummer with corner blitz on the edges as to disrupt the bootleg.

Against Seattle we were pretty disciplined against the bootleg. However, with Denver it's their staple play. Kansas City got killed because they could not defend it. The bootleg plays more into our hands.

Denver, much like Dallas has an overly aggressive and fast defense. Strong dline and fast linebackers. They will be tougher to get sustained drives against. We will have to hit them a few times over the top. And, devise some mis-direction plays because they over pursue. They will be the best defense we've played and likewise for them.

They did well against Leftwich because he stands still and did not have to worry about him beating them with his legs -- so the concentrated on stopping Fred Smith. Mark can take off and Portis is a better open field runner then Smith. Marks needs to run some as to plant that (I can run) seed. Just watch out for cheap shot artist Lynch.

We should also immediately test Roland's hammy on a stop and go. LOL

Game will be decided by a field goal.

[Janitor of FedEx Field]

Bro', Jon Jansen got hurt last year also. He didn't have to do too much to get his job back. If you have played ball before, when you step out on the field you can't help but give your all, number one because you don't want the guy in front of you to beat you, and also your getting paid!!
Next wonderful excuse please!
If Arrington was an offensive player none of this would be going on. That dude would be in the game.

Apples and Oranges.

Jansen is the best option at RT hands down. How can you be so sure that L.A is the best option at LB? He doesn't fit, because he think's he's lager than G.Williams playbook.

It's not all his fault, a lot of it is because of the way he was rasied here. So give it some time, because L.A needs to be reprogramed.

[Skinsfan1311]

That's just Champ...trying to stir the pot....LA will get his time.....

[TD Riggo]

Morale of the story....

Dont bad mouth the team or its coaches to the Media.... Not while Mr. Gibbs is around! :point2sky


Did I miss something? When did Lavar ever "bad mouth the team?!" While I've heard him express disappointment, and I don't blame him, I've never heard him "bad mouth" the team!

[The Oracle]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Arrington fan, but he has shown that he can definitely be beaten in pass coverage. He also has that propensity for the costly personal foul penalties. With that said, I'm sure GW can find many more packages to get him involved in pass rushing and run stuffing plays. The guy is a tremendous athlete who gives everything he has on the field. And now that he's older maybe he has learned not to take those dumb penalties. However, I guess we'll never know this since he's never on the field. :2cents:
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You're a big LA fan??? I can't tell. BTW, how is he getting beaten in pass coverage when he would be rushing the passer??? Also, name a LB that can't be beat with the pass??? They all get beat, genious. That's why they're LB's

[Dallsux]

The Redskins are missing one thing to make them a super bowl contender. Something that gets off of the bus and the other team says "What the hell is that" ? That is Arrington, the heart and sole of the team. The next time that he plays he must rise above and beyond mortal ability and remind everyone why he wears the #56 ! Only then will we be the #1 defense, only then can we make a super bowl run.:redpunch:Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton



I hope you're right, man. I wanna see him on the field so bad, I can taste blood.

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[The Oracle]

I truly respect everyone's point of view here, but do we know for sure he doesn't know the defense?? I talked to a guy who helps coach my sons little league football team and he said the same thing, I asked him, "well how do you know" his answer was, "that's what I heard"
Champ Bailey even said he saw NO PROBLEM like that when he was here. This kinda stuff is just someone spouting off at the mouth and people running with it. I will tell you one thing, I would rather have him doing his thing and making pro bowls, and bringing fans into the seats, and making the defense even that much better then someone who misses tackles and stands in the "right" spot.
That's just what my friends and I saw from our seats on Sunday!!!
As I said in other posts, it's all about that contract folks. He can't get the money if he doesn't play and make the Pro Bowl. Ya'll can say all this other stuff you want, but that is how the Redskins do buisness, and yes the skins who have overpaid before would do something like that.
As I have said before they have done it to a whole bunch of others. We all love Art Monk, but go back and see what happened to him!! Brian Mitchell also, though his might not be as bad as Arrington, B-Mitch kinda told Dan Snyder were to shove it.
I feels so strong about this because it's not like we get REAL REDSKINS anymore, folks just come in to make the money and roll out as soon as the contract is close to being over. We have a dude in Lavar who at one time said if the Skins let him go he would probably retire, because he loved it here so much!! We don't get too many of those kinda players around here anymore, and it's a shame the way he is going out.
I guess Free Agency has kinda killed the loyalty. OOh well!!!


Free Lavar:logo:
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Finally an aura of practicality.... kb7 - I'm with you 1000% on this... And I thought I was all alone. How soon these haters forget that before GW, LA carried this entire organization (including piss-pants Danny-boy) on his back.

[kb7]

Apples and Oranges.

Jansen is the best option at RT hands down. How can you be so sure that L.A is the best option at LB? He doesn't fit, because he think's he's lager than G.Williams playbook.

It's not all his fault, a lot of it is because of the way he was rasied here. So give it some time, because L.A needs to be reprogramed.


Tell the truth........when you were typing this you didn't REALLY believe it did you? Is Lavar not the best option at that position!!!! You gotta be kidding. It's not like L.T. is over there, or T. Spikes from Buffalo. We are talking about W. Holdman, and C. Clemons. Come on!!!!!!

[skinstzar]

The way I see it is that L.A got injured and lost his job. L.A is healthy now and doesn't want to work to get it back. He expected it to be given back to him since he's such a superstar :rolleyes:


That is just dumb. Lavar had to work hard to become who he is. He didn't make pro bowls by just smiling on the sideline. He didn't win the Butkus Award by hanging out in the gym and looking at girls. Lavar's work ethic should never be questioned by anyone. Lavar is not playing because he pissed someone off. Plain and simple.

[Mackdaddydean]

this is all so pointless...i mean whats going to happen is going to happen and who cares!!!! WE ARE 3-0!!!

[Janitor of FedEx Field]

Tell the truth........when you were typing this you didn't REALLY believe it did you? Is Lavar not the best option at that position!!!! You gotta be kidding. It's not like L.T. is over there, or T. Spikes from Buffalo. We are talking about W. Holdman, and C. Clemons. Come on!!!!!!

It's not all about how fast you can run, and how hard you can hit :doh:

If he's so freaking great, how come we win without him, and the defense has looked the best it ever has without him?

It's about the team now, not L.A anymore. Those days are over, thank God.

[Janitor of FedEx Field]

That is just dumb. Lavar had to work hard to become who he is. He didn't make pro bowls by just smiling on the sideline. He didn't win the Butkus Award by hanging out in the gym and looking at girls. Lavar's work ethic should never be questioned by anyone. Lavar is not playing because he pissed someone off. Plain and simple.

Winning a popularity contest really doesn't mean anything to me.

[kb7]

It's not all about how fast you can run, and how hard you can hit :doh:

If he's so freaking great, how come we win without him, and the defense has looked the best it ever has without him?

It's about the team now, not L.A anymore. Those days are over, thank God.


Dude, we have not WON without him. We have won without him. Sunday should have easily been a lose. We had NO pressure on the QB, none. A few times I counted to 5 before Hasselbeck got the ball of. That is not good. Had it not been for Williams blowing his assignment in Dallas that was another lose. We the fed ex fans won the Chicago game with all the noise we were making. So don't make it sound like we have be WINNING. We have won!! With plenty of missed tackles by our LB's. Pay attention to the game please.
Everyone jumping on M. Washington's back but how many times have ya'll seen the TE run right accross his face and catch the ball and keep on running. Chicago killed us with that mess. A buddy of mine at the stadium was going crazy because of it.
Just put the best players on the field so we can start to talk about something else. Maybe we can start hating on T. Owens or something. At least someone not on our own team!!!

[Janitor of FedEx Field]

Dude, we have not WON without him. We have won without him. Sunday should have easily been a lose. We had NO pressure on the QB, none. A few times I counted to 5 before Hasselbeck got the ball of. That is not good. Had it not been for Williams blowing his assignment in Dallas that was another lose. We the fed ex fans won the Chicago game with all the noise we were making. So don't make it sound like we have be WINNING. We have won!! With plenty of missed tackles by our LB's. Pay attention to the game please.
Everyone jumping on M. Washington's back but how many times have ya'll seen the TE run right accross his face and catch the ball and keep on running. Chicago killed us with that mess. A buddy of mine at the stadium was going crazy because of it.
Just put the best players on the field so we can start to talk about something else. Maybe we can start hating on T. Owens or something. At least someone not on our own team!!!

Are you a Redskins fan? Or just a LaVar Arrington fan? I can't figure it out.

[MLiverpool]

I wish Lavar was in there more. I read Holdman has 5 tackles, and he's the starter. Consider Lavar has 2 tackles with his limited playing time this year. I really think Lavar would be an upgrade, but something tells me this is being done for a reason we don't know quite yet. Hopefully he gets back in there...it'd be interesting if they start lining him up at tackle, and have him pull off and on(making it easier to jump from a 4-3 to a 3-4). Who knows... he's not as large as most DL-men, but I think he could hold his own. If that is the case, he's gotta learn both positions and considering the beating he would take on the DL, easing him into the season might be so they can have a fresher Lavar at the end of the season.. though I just wish he was in there.

[DaSkinzBaby]

Arrington isn't playing because of Daniel Snyder PERIOD. If you read between the lines....He has no problems with the Coaches and the Players. Who does that leave? Snyder has tried to run the Redskins like a dot com company and he can't do that. LaVar made statements more or less against Snyder himself and that is why he isn't playing. Snyder tried to be slick and cheat him out of the 6.5 million. Now to save face the skins gave it back in incentives, but you can't get the incentives if you aren't on the field now can you? At the Seattle game I saw LaVar away from everyone didn't anyone else notice this? There are many things going on that we don't know, BUT I BET SNYDER is at the ROOT of all this CRAP!!! :2cents: But my bet is by HOOK OR BY CROOK LaVar will have the last laugh. Remember even a broken clock is right twice a day. I love my skins always have but that doesn't mean I can't see the forrest for the tree's. Where LaVar goes so shall my spirit he is the face of the skins period and just because Gibbs is a hall of fame coach, like Janet Jackson said WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY? Until he gets us back to where this team was in 1991 he is living on Nascar and what he DID surely not WHAT HE HAS DONE because that hasn't been too much of ANYTHING. To be honest, Williams has done more than Gibbs since the two have been here.

[Art]

Some of you are simply too dense to get it.

Arrington does not know his keys. He's still thinking through things. He makes mistakes due to that lack of knowledge. He'll play when that's no longer the case. This isn't a guess. This is the obvious fact. Why are some having such a difficult time with this fact?

[Art]

Arrington isn't playing because of Daniel Snyder PERIOD. If you read between the lines....He has no problems with the Coaches and the Players. Who does that leave? Snyder has tried to run the Redskins like a dot com company and he can't do that. LaVar made statements more or less against Snyder himself and that is why he isn't playing. Snyder tried to be slick and cheat him out of the 6.5 million. Now to save face the skins gave it back in incentives, but you can't get the incentives if you aren't on the field now can you? At the Seattle game I saw LaVar away from everyone didn't anyone else notice this? There are many things going on that we don't know, BUT I BET SNYDER is at the ROOT of all this CRAP!!! :2cents: But my bet is by HOOK OR BY CROOK LaVar will have the last laugh. Remember even a broken clock is right twice a day. I love my skins always have but that doesn't mean I can't see the forrest for the tree's. Where LaVar goes so shall my spirit he is the face of the skins period and just because Gibbs is a hall of fame coach, like Janet Jackson said WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY? Until he gets us back to where this team was in 1991 he is living on Nascar and what he DID surely not WHAT HE HAS DONE because that hasn't been too much of ANYTHING. To be honest, Williams has done more than Gibbs since the two have been here.

This is the kind of thing that just seems crazy. Snyder has ZERO input as to who plays and who does not play. None whatsoever. I was in the Dallas lockerroom when Arrington and Snyder were very friendly together, seeing Snyder specifically reach out to say something kind to Arrington and the return smile and happiness.

It is astonishing to me some of you want to create a situation where Snyder is doing something wrong with the person doing something wrong is Lavar Arrington. He's had 18 months to learn the system. He hasn't. Your anger should be directed at him. He was fine early on as Williams was implementing pieces and directing more of the action by play call. But as the system expands to account for familiarity, he's struggling with the keys. It's that simple.

[Waleo32]

This is all over the media because it is talk worthy. This won't keep players from coming, if nothing else it will encourage the correct type of players to come here. Players will see that they can get a fair shake and decent pay if they come here. I like Lavar, but he isn't the foundation of this defense, Marcus Washington is. With that said he must play to MW's level. We haven't seen that from Lavar since the 01 season. I hope this gets resolved, but I'm confident in the coaching staff.

Sorry to correct you. Gregg Williams is the foundation of our defense. And to tell you the truth last year, the best defensive player on the team didn't go to the pro bowl. That player's name is Corneilus Griffin.

[TheLongshot]

Again I will say, the number of tackles a player has does not tell the whole story of his production. I doubt those who trot out the numbers has seen film of either guy playing.

Jason

[The Oracle]

Some of you are simply too dense to get it.

Arrington does not know his keys. He's still thinking through things. He makes mistakes due to that lack of knowledge. He'll play when that's no longer the case. This isn't a guess. This is the obvious fact. Why are some having such a difficult time with this fact?
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Why is this obvious??? The only thing that's obvious is he's not on the field. I think LA would be man enough to say he needs more familiarity with the schemes if that were the case. Certainly one of the coaches would've said something to re-direct all of this frustration. But neither side is saying that now are they?

Again, why is it so obvious he doesn't know the playbook? LA said he's ready and the coaches said he's not playing b/c "we have a lot of guys with talent" -- paraphrasing JG. Where is this lack of knowledge:censored: coming from? I know you were in the Dallas locker room, Art. Can you get near the practice field, film review or coaches meeting and then enlighten us all?

[Art]

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Why is this obvious??? The only thing that's obvious is he's not on the field. I think LA would be man enough to say he needs more familiarity with the schemes if that were the case. Certainly one of the coaches would've said something to re-direct all of this frustration. But neither side is saying that now are they?

Again, why is it so obvious he doesn't know the playbook? LA said he's ready and the coaches said he's not playing b/c "we have a lot of guys with talent" -- paraphrasing JG. Where is this lack of knowledge:censored: coming from? I know you were in the Dallas locker room, Art. Can you get near the practice field, film review or coaches meeting and then enlighten us all?

Can I get near a practice field? Sure, but being as I'm in Minnesota, that doesn't work :). I can get access to practice whenever I'm in town and want. No one can have access to film review or coaches meetings. But, the outcome of film review and coaches meetings is Arrington's not playing.

This we know, so, we don't need to be there to know the outcome. And, to understand the outcome one must merely understand it can't come about if through film review and coaches meetings the decision was made that he could help us more on the field than he could hurt us. Until they decide he can help us more than he can hurt us he will play less.

Where the lack of knowledge comes from is a good question. Is Lavar not working hard enough studying? Is it just that he's got some disorder preventing him from really grasping the details? Is it that his makeup is just not disciplined enough to let him trust what he has learned?

You'd have to ask him why he doesn't know. He's the professional player. My guess is it's very disappointing to EVERYONE at Redskins Park that he has struggled with this part of things.

As to why it's obvious he doesn't know the playbook, it's because that's exactly WHAT we've been told openly by coaches -- whether Lindsay or Bugel -- what is clear from Arrington's need for cliff notes on his wrist and what is abundantly clear from the fact the team trusts him so little to play linebacker it would rather go with a guy who may not produce the same stats but who won't kill us by reading plays the wrong way.

I could say more, but, why bother? You aren't listening anyway.

There is ONE answer for why Lavar isn't on the field. Only one. It's because Lavar isn't ready, mentally, to be on the field. He'll be there when he is. Not until. Once you understand this -- and trust me, it's easily understood if you just try -- you'll have no problem appreciating the situation.

[mrhogg]

Do the coaches forget that teams create different offensive sceems just for LAVAR!??? What are we thinking? I hurt/disorganized Lavar is still much better than Holdman....

[Hawk_DC]

Are Redskins fans hard to please? If it takes Lavar not playing for the Redskins to be successfull, I am all for it. Someone said "so much money and talent going to waste". So what? If there's a better and more disciplined player, I say bench the big money players.

Are you kidding me with this? Wake UP dude.........WE HAVE NOBODY BETTER. Apparently you know nothing about football. All you do is look @ the QB to see if he completes passes on us? Or are you seriously looking at the linebackers in front of Lavar. Chris Clemons has absolutely NO PRESSURES AND NO SACKS!! Warrick has 5 tackles in 3 games. wHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH SOME OF YOU PEOPLE. We have a talented pro-bowler on the BENCH and you say if there's somebody better. LET'S PLEASE BE REALISTIC PEOPLE!!

[The Oracle]

Can I get near a practice field? Sure, but being as I'm in Minnesota, that doesn't work :). I can get access to practice whenever I'm in town and want. No one can have access to film review or coaches meetings. But, the outcome of film review and coaches meetings is Arrington's not playing.

This we know, so, we don't need to be there to know the outcome. And, to understand the outcome one must merely understand it can't come about if through film review and coaches meetings the decision was made that he could help us more on the field than he could hurt us. Until they decide he can help us more than he can hurt us he will play less.

Where the lack of knowledge comes from is a good question. Is Lavar not working hard enough studying? Is it just that he's got some disorder preventing him from really grasping the details? Is it that his makeup is just not disciplined enough to let him trust what he has learned?

You'd have to ask him why he doesn't know. He's the professional player. My guess is it's very disappointing to EVERYONE at Redskins Park that he has struggled with this part of things.

As to why it's obvious he doesn't know the playbook, it's because that's exactly WHAT we've been told openly by coaches -- whether Lindsay or Bugel -- what is clear from Arrington's need for cliff notes on his wrist and what is abundantly clear from the fact the team trusts him so little to play linebacker it would rather go with a guy who may not produce the same stats but who won't kill us by reading plays the wrong way.

I could say more, but, why bother? You aren't listening anyway.

There is ONE answer for why Lavar isn't on the field. Only one. It's because Lavar isn't ready, mentally, to be on the field. He'll be there when he is. Not until. Once you understand this -- and trust me, it's easily understood if you just try -- you'll have no problem appreciating the situation.
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I'm listening. I'm just waiting to hear something worthwhile.

The "cliff notes" you spoke of a myriad of players in different positions, namely QB's, wear. Do you think they know the plays? Or are you suggesting LA has an embedded powerpoint presentation on his wrist (courtesy of the "Pimp My Ride" crew of West Coast Customs)?

I love MN, specifically Minneapolis, so I'll give you a break here. The ice fishing, bloody marys, Rick's, gorgeous blonds, etc., I love it all!!! But you've gotta slow that propaganda machine you're running down.

BTW, next time you talk to Buges, tell him to worry more about keeping MB off his ass, knocking back a D-line or two and opening a running lane for Portis, and spend less time on whether LA knows weakside plays.

As far as Lindsey is concern, ask him is he turning Holdman into a turnstyle on purpose or is that just part of the scheme; par for the course. BTW, in case you missed it last week, your boy Holdman was gashed repeatedly and practically became Alexander's DC hoe.

Even if what you proclaim is true, LA is still 10x's as effective not knowing a damn thing than Holdman, Clemons, Marshall, and Washington (yes I said it!) could ever be. Of course, we know that playbook theory is just a smoke screen now don't we?

[Timurchin]

Have you not read all the of Arrington articles and posts that have been out?

Arrington doesn't know the defense.. plain and simple.. if the guy doesn't know the defense then what benefit would it be to put him out there? None. Because he will be messing up, missing assignments as well as being out of position. There is a reason he's wearing that QB wrist band with all the plays on it. BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW THE DEFENSE! Hey SlobberKnockin, I love that name. A blitzing Arrington doesn't need to know the plays. Although, the wrist band probably has his positional assingments and resposibilities on it along with what plays to call against certain situations and he may be confused in certain scheme configurations, all you have to do is tell him what to do on each play "kill Quaterback" and just ask Aikey Breaky what will happen..."Mongo kill Quaterback" :cool: Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton !!!!

[Timurchin]

Are you kidding me with this? Wake UP dude.........WE HAVE NOBODY BETTER. Apparently you know nothing about football. All you do is look @ the QB to see if he completes passes on us? Or are you seriously looking at the linebackers in front of Lavar. Chris Clemons has absolutely NO PRESSURES AND NO SACKS!! Warrick has 5 tackles in 3 games. wHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH SOME OF YOU PEOPLE. We have a talented pro-bowler on the BENCH and you say if there's somebody better. LET'S PLEASE BE REALISTIC PEOPLE!! Hey Hawk, don't sugarcoat it so much, next time just say whats on your mind. :laugh: Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton !!!

[Dirk Diggler]

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Even if what you proclaim is true, LA is still 10x's as effective not knowing a damn thing than Holdman, Clemons, Marshall, and Washington (yes I said it!) could ever be. Of course, we know that playbook theory is just a smoke screen now don't we?

You sir, need to be tested for drugs.

[Timurchin]

Do any of you think this is some sort of smokescreen ploy, and that maybe they will "unleash" him in one of our important games?

Just a thought...Thats exactly what I was thinking when Seatle was driving down for the tying touchdown. This is just a ploy now UNLEASH THE BEAST but coach never turned him loose. It is a dream I have... 92 thousand fans call him out and Coach caves. The "BEAST" feeds off of emotion and thrives in crunchtime and Bledsore gets broken. Cowgirls loose by 1 again. Dreams can become reality. :redpunch: Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton, Air-ing-ton !!!!!

[The Oracle]

You sir, need to be tested for drugs.
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I am "drugs"!!!:evil:

[sith lord]

Does anybody here really cares what Bailey thinks? He should concentrate more on getting healthy and not getting burnt so often.

[Art]

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I'm listening. I'm just waiting to hear something worthwhile.

The "cliff notes" you spoke of a myriad of players in different positions, namely QB's, wear. Do you think they know the plays? Or are you suggesting LA has an embedded powerpoint presentation on his wrist (courtesy of the "Pimp My Ride" crew of West Coast Customs)?

I love MN, specifically Minneapolis, so I'll give you a break here. The ice fishing, bloody marys, Rick's, gorgeous blonds, etc., I love it all!!! But you've gotta slow that propaganda machine you're running down.

BTW, next time you talk to Buges, tell him to worry more about keeping MB off his ass, knocking back a D-line or two and opening a running lane for Portis, and spend less time on whether LA knows weakside plays.

As far as Lindsey is concern, ask him is he turning Holdman into a turnstyle on purpose or is that just part of the scheme; par for the course. BTW, in case you missed it last week, your boy Holdman was gashed repeatedly and practically became Alexander's DC hoe.

Even if what you proclaim is true, LA is still 10x's as effective not knowing a damn thing than Holdman, Clemons, Marshall, and Washington (yes I said it!) could ever be. Of course, we know that playbook theory is just a smoke screen now don't we?

The problem with you, and those like you, Oracle, is you make wild statements like LA is still 10 times as effective not knowing a damn thing than other backers. In fact, no, he doesn't. We KNOW he doesn't because if he did, he'd be playing. He's not. He's not because he's not ready. This isn't propoganda. This is a fact.

He WILL play. When he does is up to him.

He doesn't know the play book. Again, this is not a guess. Players at many positions who either do not know the system or run it without coach input may be seen having wrist bands somewhat normally. Lavar isn't making defensive calls. He's hearing them and you can SEE him checking his wrist to know what's going on. He was doing that with regularity on the sideline.

That's a good sign that he was getting mental reps in. It's just unfortunate he still needs them this far into it. But, I'm sure your position that the player all know is better is not playing because he's so much better. That may be a smoke screen, come to think of it.

[joelvincent]

In Soccer, Pele was such a legend and game changer that the number 10 became a symbol and the team only gives that number to the top dog.

LT (the REAL LT) did the same and the number 56 has the same meaning in the NFL. Williams is not stupid. He'll find a way to use Lavar within his system - even if that means special "packages" for Lavar. This takes time but I'm sure he knows what he has in 56 and I doubt he thinks its bad.

I still have faith that we'll see some great things from 56...

[Streets911]

Are you a Redskins fan? Or just a LaVar Arrington fan? I can't figure it out.

LOL....u guys are killing me right now :laugh:

[xsquid]

Lavar will be fine,he's a gamer.I think he would the perfect fit against Plummer.If Jake bootleg's and 56 is there to greet him we could be talking early retirement for the snake.