Phil Inquirer: Chargers' Tomlinson is total package (Trotter's mouth...)

[tr1]

Trotter's remarks sound like a slap at WB. He'd have been better not to comment... :doh:



Posted on Thu, Oct. 20, 2005
By Shannon Ryan
Inquirer Staff Writer
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/12946429.htm
For two games, he got nowhere.

The versatile running back said he wanted the ball more often. He said he could do more than he was being asked. He reminded people that he was not solely a ballcarrier.

Sound familiar?

Although Eagles running back Brian Westbrook delivered a similar message yesterday, those words came from San Diego Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson earlier this season.

Tomlinson was granted his wish. The Chargers gave him the ball more.

"It's a long season," he said yesterday. "I knew I was going to get my share of touches and make plays."

Tomlinson, in his fifth season out of Texas Christian, will attempt to break an NFL record when the 3-3 Chargers play the Eagles Sunday at Lincoln Financial Field.

Scoring a touchdown in his 19th straight game would break the record he shares with Hall of Famer Lenny Moore.

Tomlinson is the NFL's third-leading rusher with 133 carries for 652 yards and 10 touchdowns. With 169 receiving yards, he is second in yards from scrimmage.

Like Westbrook, who in his last two starts had 15 rushes for 27 yards and no touchdowns, Tomlinson was not put to full use in the Chargers' first two games.

His numbers were better - 38 carries for 124 yards and three touchdowns - but he knew that if given the opportunity he could make a bigger difference with his blend of power, speed and agility.

The Chargers' three losses - to Dallas, Denver and Pittsburgh - have occurred when Tomlinson has rushed for fewer than 100 yards.

"What we sought to do was to find ways to utilize him within the framework of our offense," said Chargers head coach Marty Schottenheimer.

Tomlinson proved last week that he is not only a great fantasy football pick but a great athlete in reality, too.

In a 27-14 win over Oakland, Tomlinson scored touchdowns rushing, receiving and passing, becoming just the fifth player in the modern era to do so in the same game.

The Eagles' defense realizes it has not seen a player this season quite like Tomlinson.

Throw a playbook at Tomlinson and chances are he can do just about anything in it - and do it well.

"He's a guy that has every move you need as a running back," Eagles safety Brian Dawkins said. "He can stop you in your tracks. He can stop and go on a dime. He can spin on you. He can throw the ball. He can catch the ball. He can run you over. He can bull you for three yards and get into the end zone. So, he has everything, and then he has the jets to get past you if you sit on him."

No wonder Tomlinson stirs memories of Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk and Priest Holmes.

Asked to compare Tomlinson with Westbrook, Jeremiah Trotter said there are differences.

"I definitely think Brian is a better receiver," the Eagles linebacker said. "There isn't another back in the league that can do what he's doing out of the backfield. No one covers Brian one-on-one. When you double him, you can't cover him. This guy [Tomlinson], as far as running, he's definitely a better running back. He kind of has the whole game, too."

Right now, Tomlinson is in a class by himself.

"In my fifth season, there's not much in the National Football League that I haven't seen," the 26-year-old said. "This is the time in your career where you really step into your prime and become what you were supposed to become once you were drafted."

[Y100Rocks]

Your right Tr1. I mean, I disagree with Trotter. Westbrook is a much better runner then Tomlinson.

[joelvincent]

tr1 - definitely a smack at Westbrook.

But PUL-EEEZE! Westbrook is a better reciever than Tomlinson? I really don't see that. Westbrook is good but to put him above Tomlinson as a receiver is overrating him a tad.

And better runner than Tomlinson? I'm not even going to approach that one. Granted I hate the Iggles but Westbrook is important to the Iggles system of offense; Tomlinson would work anywhere you put him. Thats a fact.

[Eagles_Legendz]

No one is near Tomlinson right now at RB in the league, however, you could certainly make a case that Westbrook does more for the Eagles passing game than LT does for the Chargers. WB matches up and wins more 1-on-1 battles with CBs than any RB I see.

[Y100Rocks]

Yes incase anyone didn't realize, I was being sarcastic.

Westbrook said it himself that Tomlinson was the best running back in the league, just yesterday.

I believe Westbrook and Trotters agreement on this issue will be the downfall of the Eagles.

[tr1]

Trotter's remarks are probably already on the Charger's bulletin board...he should have avoided the question.

[Y100Rocks]

"This guy [Tomlinson], as far as running, he's definitely a better running back. He kind of has the whole game, too"

Those words must make his blood boil. I'm getting nervous! :(

[tr1]

"This guy [Tomlinson], as far as running, he's definitely a better running back. He kind of has the whole game, too"

Those words must make his blood boil. I'm getting nervous! :(


"I definitely think Brian is a better receiver," the Eagles linebacker said. "There isn't another back in the league that can do what he's doing out of the backfield. No one covers Brian one-on-one. When you double him, you can't cover him. This guy [Tomlinson], as far as running, he's definitely a better running back. He kind of has the whole game, too."
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Ok, ignore the first 4 sentences of the quote. :doh:

Doesn't that translate into WB is better than LT as a receiver? Trotter's last sentence was him catching himself after he did the damage.

[TerpsEagles]

We'll ignore the first 4 sentences and you ignore the fact that Trotter is right. Go check the stats for this year and last year for RB - Receiving stats

We could debate all day how some of these numbers are results of systems and play calls and blah, blah, blah.... fact is, what Trotter said is accurate based the stats of the past few seasons.

LT is the best RB in the league. He is going to get his yards most likely whether Trotter says anything or not, even if he complimented the guy... but hey, don't let that stop you.... The Eagles will probably not win another game this year all because Trotter and his big mouth. (you should be ashamed too... after all, the Skins are paying more for Trotter this year than the Eagles are :cool: )

2004 RB - Receiving stats (http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/RB-RECEIVING/2004/regular)

2005 RB- Receiving stats (http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/RB-RECEIVING/2005/regular)

[Y100Rocks]

I suppose its possible the chargers look past the rest of the quotes and make something out of nothing. I mean. You did it. Rodney Harrison did it. Do you think I'm mad at Trotter or even disagree with him? No. Which is what you want from us. Am I more concerned about the Chargers then I concerned with how the Eagles play? No.

[tr1]

We'll ignore the first 4 sentences and you ignore the fact that Trotter is right. Go check the stats for this year and last year for RB - Receiving stats

We could debate all day how some of these numbers are results of systems and play calls and blah, blah, blah.... fact is, what Trotter said is accurate based the stats of the past few seasons.

LT is the best RB in the league. He is going to get his yards most likely whether Trotter says anything or not, even if he complimented the guy... but hey, don't let that stop you.... The Eagles will probably not win another game this year all because Trotter and his big mouth. (you should be ashamed too... after all, the Skins are paying more for Trotter this year than the Eagles are :cool: )

2004 RB - Receiving stats (http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/RB-RECEIVING/2004/regular)

2005 RB- Receiving stats (http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/RB-RECEIVING/2005/regular)


Let's review the stats after the weekend, shall we?

[tr1]

I suppose its possible the chargers look past the rest of the quotes and make something out of nothing. I mean. You did it. Rodney Harrison did it. Do you think I'm mad at Trotter or even disagree with him? No. Which is what you want from us. Am I more concerned about the Chargers then I concerned with how the Eagles play? No.

You don't have to be angry with Trotter...or even disagree...but why put something out there like that?

[Y100Rocks]

Maybe he took 15 seconds out of his day to answer a question on the fly, and that was it. And here we are still analyzing it.

[SKINtil8tin]

As far as Trotter admitting that LT was a better runner, he didn't say anything that everyone in the league already didn't know. Not so sure it was a smack in the face.

[Y100Rocks]

Lt Was Pissed!

[WeaponXDawkins]

You don't have to be angry with Trotter...or even disagree...but why put something out there like that?

Geez I hope that he never does that again. 7 yards on 17 carries. Bad Trotter Bad.

[tr1]

Geez I hope that he never does that again. 7 yards on 17 carries. Bad Trotter Bad.

Good to see he still can't cover the pass...

[TerpsEagles]

4-2. See you on Nov. 6th.

[Y100Rocks]

SGood to see he still can't cover the pass...

Said the man who didn't watch the game.

[Number5]

Good to see he still can't cover the pass...


Did you watch the game? He gave up one pass......one pass.....but i guess in you eyes that one pass would really equal getting burnt all day huh?

tr1=brillance! :doh:

[Y100Rocks]

I think his INT negates a pass fairly easily.

[tr1]

Did you watch the game? He gave up one pass......one pass.....but i guess in you eyes that one pass would really equal getting burnt all day huh?

tr1=brillance! :doh:

How you feeling about your team... :doh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[WeaponXDawkins]

How you feeling about your team... :doh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Pretty damn good considering our QB is playing with his intestines sticking out over his belt loop. Not a pulled hammy mind you, like some QBs we know.

[tr1]

Pretty damn good considering our QB is playing with his intestines sticking out over his belt loop. Not a pulled hammy mind you, like some QBs we know.

X..dawkins...too...funny...hee...hee...

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Y100Rocks]

We are talking about Trotter, why come out of left field with something else. Nice try.

[tr1]

We are talking about Trotter, why come out of left field with something else. Nice try.

Ok, who gave up 299 yards? Was Trotter on the field for any of that?

[WeaponXDawkins]

Ok, who gave up 299 yards? Was Trotter on the field for any of that?

He was also on the field when the Fire alarm went off, do we say he pulled that too.

[Number5]

Ok, who gave up 299 yards? Was Trotter on the field for any of that?

Who gave up 127 yards on 12 carries against Tatum "I fumble when I sneeze" Bell?

Who gave Priest Holmes 5 catches and 100 yards?

[pimpumd]

Who has the 20th ranked defense?

[Number5]

Who has the 20th ranked defense?

Who is 4-2? We both are!

[Y100Rocks]

Ok, who gave up 299 yards? Was Trotter on the field for any of that?

So you didn't watch the game. Immediatly accused Trotter of giving up big plays. Then in the following post, have to ask if it was actually his fault? I think you should re-order your thought process.

[tr1]

So you didn't watch the game. Immediatly accused Trotter of giving up big plays. Then in the following post, have to ask if it was actually his fault? I think you should re-order your thought process.

Rhetorical question...you and I both know the answer to my question. :doh:

[Y100Rocks]

Rhetorical question...you and I both know the answer to my question.

This question?

Ok, who gave up 299 yards? Was Trotter on the field for any of that?

You didn't even watch the game. You don't know what happened. You are making a big assumption and here I am spending time to tell you why your wrong and the best I might get is an "oh" in acknowledge. No way would you apologize to Trotter for snubbing him for no reason. You wonder why people call you names?

Here are all the stat lines for the game, every pass attempted by Bree's, everything else, removed by me.


(10:36) D.Brees pass to L.Tomlinson to SD 31 for 11 yards (J.Trotter; S.Brown).

(6:59) D.Brees pass incomplete to A.Gates (D.Jones).

(2:56) D.Brees pass to R.Caldwell to SD 46 for 43 yards (S.Brown).

(1:39) D.Brees pass incomplete to K.McCardell.

(1:34) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete to A.Gates (B.Dawkins, J.Trotter).

(14:23) D.Brees pass to K.McCardell to SD 49 for 24 yards (D.Jones).

(13:45) D.Brees pass intended for K.McCardell INTERCEPTED by L.Sheppard at PHI 42. L.Sheppard to SD 25 for 33 yards (D.Brees).

(12:57) D.Brees pass to L.Neal to 50 for 21 yards (M.Lewis).

(11:03) D.Brees pass incomplete to L.Tomlinson.

(4:41) D.Brees pass incomplete to R.Caldwell (S.Brown).

(4:35) D.Brees pass incomplete to A.Gates (J.Kearse).

(4:31) D.Brees pass to R.Caldwell to SD 40 for 13 yards (L.Sheppard).
PENALTY on PHI-B.Dawkins, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at SD 40.

(4:07) D.Brees pass incomplete to J.Peelle.

(4:04) D.Brees pass incomplete to L.Tomlinson.

(4:00) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete to E.Parker (B.Dawkins).

(14:22) D.Brees pass to A.Gates to SD 27 for 5 yards (S.Brown; J.Trotter).

(13:44) (Shotgun) D.Brees sacked at SD 16 for -11 yards (S.Brown).

(8:59) D.Brees pass to A.Gates to SD 41 for 16 yards (M.Lewis).

(7:48) D.Brees sacked at SD 34 for -9 yards (J.Trotter). FUMBLES (J.Trotter), touched at SD 34, recovered by SD-R.Oben at SD 36. R.Oben to SD 36 for no gain (M.Simoneau).

(7:14) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass to K.McCardell to PHI 47 for 17 yards (S.Brown; J.Trotter).

(6:40) D.Brees pass incomplete to R.Caldwell (J.Kearse).

(6:40) D.Brees pass to L.Tomlinson to PHI 41 for 6 yards (M.Simoneau).

(6:00) D.Brees pass to J.Peelle to PHI 36 for 5 yards (J.Trotter).

(5:16) D.Brees pass incomplete to R.Caldwell (L.Sheppard).

(5:07) D.Brees pass to A.Gates to PHI 27 for 9 yards (S.Brown; M.Simoneau).

(3:52) D.Brees pass to L.Tomlinson to PHI 19 for 3 yards (N.Kalu).

(3:26) D.Brees pass to K.McCardell for 19 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

(1:22) D.Brees pass to A.Gates to PHI 30 for 12 yards (H.Thomas)

(:48) D.Brees pass incomplete to K.Osgood (J.Trotter).

(:44) D.Brees pass to L.Tomlinson to PHI 24 for 6 yards (M.Simoneau)

(15:00) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass to A.Gates to PHI 16 for 8 yards (J.Trotter).

(14:20) D.Brees pass to K.McCardell ran ob at PHI 8 for 8 yards (M.Lewis).

(13:52) D.Brees pass to A.Gates for 8 yards, TOUCHDOWN.


(12:51) D.Brees pass to K.McCardell to PHI 3 for 10 yards (M.Lewis).

(10:38) D.Brees sacked at PHI 15 for -9 yards (J.Kearse).

(7:34) D.Brees pass intended for A.Gates INTERCEPTED by J.Trotter (M.Simoneau) at SD 25. J.Trotter to SD 23 for 2 yards (A.Gates). Brees hit by Simoneau as he attempted to pass.

(6:21) D.Brees pass incomplete.

(6:14) D.Brees pass to A.Gates to SD 23 for 5 yards (M.Simoneau; B.Dawkins).

(5:35) (Shotgun) D.Brees to SD 32 for 9 yards (J.Trotter).

(2:18) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass to A.Gates to SD 41 for 9 yards (S.Brown).

(1:59) D.Brees pass to R.Caldwell to PHI 37 for 22 yards (B.Dawkins).

(1:54) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete to E.Parker.

(1:50) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete to K.McCardell.

(1:44) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass to R.Caldwell to PHI 18 for 19 yards (S.Brown). FUMBLES (S.Brown), touched at PHI 18, RECOVERED by PHI-D.Walker at PHI 19. D.Walker to PHI 19 for no gain (R.Caldwell). Play Challenged by Review Assistant and Upheld.

[Y100Rocks]

Let me expand on that.

Every pass that was thrown that Trotter made a tackle on went for a total of 53 yards. This is after -2 yards for Trotter inteception return. Thats fair right?

Remember, we are only discussing Trotters pass defense ability. We are throwing out his hugh impact in this game against the run, his actual interception (we are counting the return), his sack, and forced fumble.

So. 53 yards he was involved in a tackle on. There are 3 linebackers and 4 db's on the filed in a normal circumstance. 7 defenders in all. So 53 yards divided by 299 yards thrown is 17.7 percent of those yards would be Trotters fault. Or if every one of those 7 players gave up what he "did", that would be 124% of the actual yards completed.

Is that acceptable considering they were going up against Antonio Gates? You decide. Its not the most scientific explanation none the less. You would have to watch the game to actually see who is at fault in each individual play. But I guess some of us don't or didn't have that luxury...

I can tell you just from watchin the whole game once, Lito Sheppard played much worse then Trotter did in pass coverage. But it doesn't show that in the stats because if I use the same formula I did for Trotter, Lito is at -14 yards on the game. This leaves out a big play he gave up to Caldwell for 43 yards that Sheldon Brown eventually made the tackle on, and a td pass he gave up to McCardell.

[WeaponXDawkins]

Let me expand on that.

Every pass that was thrown that Trotter made a tackle on went for a total of 53 yards. This is after -2 yards for Trotter inteception return. Thats fair right?

Remember, we are only discussing Trotters pass defense ability. We are throwing out his hugh impact in this game against the run, his actual interception (we are counting the return), his sack, and forced fumble.

So. 53 yards he was involved in a tackle on. There are 3 linebackers and 4 db's on the filed in a normal circumstance. 7 defenders in all. So 53 yards divided by 299 yards thrown is 17.7 percent of those yards would be Trotters fault. Or if every one of those 7 players gave up what he "did", that would be 124% of the actual yards completed.

Is that acceptable considering they were going up against Antonio Gates? You decide. Its not the most scientific explanation none the less. You would have to watch the game to actually see who is at fault in each individual play. But I guess some of us don't or didn't have that luxury...

I can tell you just from watchin the whole game once, Lito Sheppard played much worse then Trotter did in pass coverage. But it doesn't show that in the stats because if I use the same formula I did for Trotter, Lito is at -14 yards on the game. This leaves out a big play he gave up to Caldwell for 43 yards that Sheldon Brown eventually made the tackle on, and a td pass he gave up to McCardell.

That's too much factual information for TR1. He may fall to the floor in the fetal position.

[Y100Rocks]

No it isn't. All he really wants to do is talk football...

[WeaponXDawkins]

No it isn't. All he really wants to do is talk football...

Oh yeah, I forgot.

[tr1]

Let me expand on that.

Every pass that was thrown that Trotter made a tackle on went for a total of 53 yards. This is after -2 yards for Trotter inteception return. Thats fair right?

Remember, we are only discussing Trotters pass defense ability. We are throwing out his hugh impact in this game against the run, his actual interception (we are counting the return), his sack, and forced fumble.

So. 53 yards he was involved in a tackle on. There are 3 linebackers and 4 db's on the filed in a normal circumstance. 7 defenders in all. So 53 yards divided by 299 yards thrown is 17.7 percent of those yards would be Trotters fault. Or if every one of those 7 players gave up what he "did", that would be 124% of the actual yards completed.

Is that acceptable considering they were going up against Antonio Gates? You decide. Its not the most scientific explanation none the less. You would have to watch the game to actually see who is at fault in each individual play. But I guess some of us don't or didn't have that luxury...

I can tell you just from watchin the whole game once, Lito Sheppard played much worse then Trotter did in pass coverage. But it doesn't show that in the stats because if I use the same formula I did for Trotter, Lito is at -14 yards on the game. This leaves out a big play he gave up to Caldwell for 43 yards that Sheldon Brown eventually made the tackle on, and a td pass he gave up to McCardell.


That's very creative...the problem is that you've chosen to leave out a big play...puts a huge whole in the formula...sorry.

[tr1]

That's too much factual information for TR1. He may fall to the floor in the fetal position.

Maybe you'd like to go post some racial slurs on other threads, cause you're not adding much to the conversation.

[WeaponXDawkins]

Maybe you'd like to go post some racial slurs on other threads, cause you're not adding much to the conversation.

I was filling the void left by you in adding nothing to the conversation. And my asking if Art Monk was really white was not a racial slur, he was a decent receiver, James Thrash actually reminds me of him.

[Y100Rocks]

That's very creative...the problem is that you've chosen to leave out a big play...puts a huge whole in the formula...sorry.

What big play did I leave out?

[Theo]

Jeremiah Trotter..NFC Defensive player of the week.

Guess that's what he gets for running his mouth...

[WeaponXDawkins]

Jeremiah Trotter..NFC Defensive player of the week.

Guess that's what he gets for running his mouth...

Ignorant TR1 will try to spin this away.

[tr1]

Jeremiah Trotter..NFC Defensive player of the week.

Guess that's what he gets for running his mouth...

Good for him.

But I thought Antonio Pierce had a pretty good game.

[WeaponXDawkins]

Good for him.

But I thought Antonio Pierce had a pretty good game.

What in the hell does that have to do with anything?

[Theo]

Pierce had a good week as well. 12 tackles, 1 assist...but Denver still ran for 190 yards on 33 carries.

Trotter had 5 tackles, 4 assists, 1 FF, 1 sack, 1 Int...and helped shut down arguably the best RB in the game.

[Y100Rocks]

Tr1, what big play did I leave out?

[Number5]

I'm curious too tr1, what big play did he leave out?


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And what was the point of mentioning Pierce in a thread about Trotter? Trotter was NFC Defensive Player of the Week and you mentioned Pierce? Is that backpedaling I see?

[tr1]

I can tell you just from watchin the whole game once, Lito Sheppard played much worse then Trotter did in pass coverage. But it doesn't show that in the stats because if I use the same formula I did for Trotter, Lito is at -14 yards on the game. This leaves out a big play he gave up to Caldwell for 43 yards that Sheldon Brown eventually made the tackle on, and a td pass he gave up to McCardell.

I'm questioning the methodology...as evidenced by the statement above.

[Y100Rocks]

I'm questioning the methodology...as evidenced by the statement above.

Yes, the statement I made. Trotter was not at fault in my recollection for any big plays. The only play I can think of off hand is where he missed a tackle on that play that became Sheldon Browns forced fumble game winner. Someone else missed the tackle before him and he tried to come in and save the play, but missed on a bad angle.

In fact, his so called over agressive play that I here about, aided him in his interception. He faked a blitz, then pulled off and thats how he got right in the middle of the play to make the pick while Simoneau was barring down on Brees.

BTW. You sure have an ambiguous way of questioning something.

That's very creative...the problem is that you've chosen to leave out a big play...puts a huge whole in the formula...sorry.

That sounds like a statement to me.