The Official "Let's Be Pessimisstic" Thread...

[Aluadan]

Let's see just how many times we can throw the ball on the go route on the left sideline and EVERY time he's completely covered. Why not just take a knee instead of running that play, keep your recievers from running out of breath running a useless route.

Now someone needs to pass the Joe the memo that you play to win the game. Ball on the 40 early in the game where we could have possibly gone up big, only had to gain a few inches and we punt. Nice call there, I think the net gain was maybe 25 yards.

Oh, btw, Gregg, that RB out of the backfield, you may want to put a defender on him after the 10th pass he caught, just a thought. But hey, what do fans know.

[aREDSKIN]

Yep this one is on JG & Co. Poor, Poor showing.

[Luca Brasi]

I really hate to admit it but I have to agree with you here.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I hate to say it, but I have to agree and pin this one on the coaching staff. We had absolutely no answer for their passing game in the entire second half. At the same time, we did NOTHING to move the ball on offense.

The two drives that KILLED me were the two that immediately followed Oakland's tying FG. A shade under 8:00 to go in the game...do we re-establish the run and go on a mythodical march down the field? Nope, three incompletions and a punt...took up about 20 seconds. Somehow their RBs forget how to catch so we get another shot with the score still tied. First down, Portis gets 5 yards...then two straight incompletions and a punt.

You have got to be kidding me!! That's inexcusable. I never thought I'd see Joe Gibbs give up on the run in a tie ballgame!

[NorthCarolinaRedskin]

i agree. throw it to santana even if he just has a half-step on the guy.

[ERIC THE REDskinsfan]

I don't want to go too too crazy here, but I have to agree. This was pretty ugly fellas... :doh:

[Aluadan]

i agree. throw it to santana even if he just has a half-step on the guy.
Sigh, don't throw it to Moss if he's double covered on that go route, that was my point because it's just a wasted play every single time. And goddamn, would Gibbs and Co. take a hint from Norv about how to use a RB out of the backfield to catch passes instead of leaving him in to block every single play. We got destroyed by swing passes the entire 4th quarter. It would certainly be nice to do the same time someone else at some point.

[Skins3000]

Can someone please explain to me how do you allow Joey Porter, who was at one time the number one receiver in Oakland, be covered by a LB down the field. I can understand underneath passes but down the field. Secondly, what kind of pressure was he trying to put on Collins who through the deep ball very well. Last time I checked you must have time to throw the deep ball. Blitz Gregg, blitz. Lamont Jordan being wide open coming out of the backfield on every single passing play I really do not understand that one.3rd down and 2 and why in the blue hell are the Skins throwing balls to Taylor Jacobs does not make too much sense to me neither or just simply just trying to get 2 yards so the Skins can have four more downs, I do not see what their logic was on that play. Or with 6 minutes left in the game and the Skins are tied, the Skins throw the ball 3 straight times instead of running the ball and then setting up the pass. For almost 4 weeks, the Skins have been giving up big plays with what I see is scheme flaws. Gregg Williams has been exposed, and if he does not adapt soon, and I do mean soon, he should be fired after this year.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I don't want to turn this into a bitching session, but I also don't understand why we don't drag Moss or Jacobs across the middle and try to hit them as they cross the field and let them run with it. They either are running a fly route or turn all the way back to Brunell.

[Phat Hog]

It was odd that we would throw it to a covered Taylor Jacobs, but not a covered Santana Moss. WTF...we need to learn how to win.

[Idaho fan]

Ill agree that the play calling was suspect. But there were also some plays where the players could have done much better also - everyone lost this game IMO.

Gibbs is talking on the post game show - the usual "they played their guts out". I like Joe and will always be a Skins fan - but I guess I am getting a little tired of watching my team fight their guts out and still lose.

Defense gets NO pressure at all on the QB, Offense turned it over AGAIN and today could not move the ball much at all. This is obviously a pattern.... And unfortunately losing will become a pettern as well if things don't change.

[J-Rad]

I agree 100%. This was the most uninspired offensive play calling I've ever seen from Gibbs and Co.

[MustangSteve]

This was the most conservative play calling I ever seen in my life!!! :doh:

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

I don't want to turn this into a bitching session, but I also don't understand why we don't drag Moss or Jacobs across the middle and try to hit them as they cross the field and let them run with it. They either are running a fly route or turn all the way back to Brunell.

The offense likely hasn't changed that much from last year. We have more explosiveness and the blocking is usually better and Brunell is healthier but that's about it.

Then again, maybe something IS out there but the QB decides not to throw it there for whatever reason.

[Mark911]

You're right! Fire him! It couldn't be because coverage broke down...couldn't have anything to do with the players...It's gotta be GW...he's gotta go...

Jackass...

Also, we got more pressure on the QB today than we normally get.

But GW's gotta go, right....

Jackass...

[drone007]

You're right! Fire him! It couldn't be because coverage broke down...couldn't have anything to do with the players...It's gotta be GW...he's gotta go...

Jackass...

Also, we got more pressure on the QB today than we normally get.

But GW's gotta go, right....

Jackass...

:laugh:

yeh, doesn't everyone know that every bad play is a direct consequence of gregg williams? he's a horrible linebacker.

[dfitzo53]

Can someone please explain to me how do you allow Joey Porter, who was at one time the number one receiver in Oakland, be covered by a LB down the field. I can understand underneath passes but down the field. Secondly, what kind of pressure was he trying to put on Collins who through the deep ball very well. Last time I checked you must have time to throw the deep ball. Blitz Gregg, blitz. Lamont Jordan being wide open coming out of the backfield on every single passing play I really do not understand that one.3rd down and 2 and why in the blue hell are the Skins throwing balls to Taylor Jacobs does not make too much sense to me neither or just simply just trying to get 2 yards so the Skins can have four more downs, I do not see what their logic was on that play. Or with 6 minutes left in the game and the Skins are tied, the Skins throw the ball 3 straight times instead of running the ball and then setting up the pass. For almost 4 weeks, the Skins have been giving up big plays with what I see is scheme flaws. Gregg Williams has been exposed, and if he does not adapt soon, and I do mean soon, he should be fired after this year.

The defense held the Raiders to 16 points despite multiple turnovers in crucial situations. We wouldn't have a touchdown today without Lemar Marshall's interception return. By the way, why are you even mentioning the offense in a thread about Gregg Williams?

[Boss_Hogg]

I'm not sure what it is, the D has nothing, it is not all GW's fault, lack of a pass rush, Walt Harris, Peirson Priloeu and a young Sean Taylor play key roles.

[BrunellSuperbowl]

Greg Williams will not be next head coach. Thank God we are finding he is overrated now

Blitzing 200 pound corners will not get pressure

[PcolaChuy]

Are the coaches in charge of who plays during the game. If so, why are Royals and Harris still in uniform?

[BrunellSuperbowl]

:laugh:

yeh, doesn't everyone know that every bad play is a direct consequence of gregg williams? he's a horrible linebacker.

can any linebacker guard a reciever like Jerry Porter?

[Neerajk4]

i don't mind gibbs conservative playcalling, as long as he's dictating the game. I mean, he coulda just ran the ball every play with the raiders dropping so many back into coverage. In the 2nd half we could not get the ball moving.

[f_trizzy]

Yes how do you allow Joey Porter the LB from Pittsburgh to burn you when you are playing Oakland? I'm just messing with you but its Jerry Porter not Joey.

[TheLongshot]

I guess you all missed the fact that our MLB was getting picked on that one near the goal line.

Sometimes, you have to give the other team some credit.

Jason

[TLusby]

I said the same thing to my brother when Jansen missed his block and the game was over. Gibbs called his worst game this year. Where's the bootleg to Cooley, or Sellers? Where's the 7-12 yard split the zones passes? We abandoned the run to early and tried to force a big play down field when they were not giving us anything. The OL played terrible as well.

[WhodatSkinsFan?]

this is funny....

however, I think people need to realize..

TRUE, GW does NOT play..... BUT GW DOES take LaVar out on passing downs (3rd) ???

GW does not suit up... but our D is predicated on players being in position.... the positions HE places them in....

I think the answer is somwhere in the middle...

[KillaCam21]

can any linebacker guard a reciever like Jerry Porter?

I feel sorry for you, bro. You're stuck with that username for life now.:doh:

[Sarge]

If we had a DE that could generate some pressure, LB's wouldn't have to cover receivers all day long

[flashback]

can any linebacker guard a reciever like Jerry Porter?

Maybe Roy Williams. :laugh:

I didn't see the play in question, but could it have been that Gregg decided to send the CBs/Safeties after the QB in order to generate some kind of a pass rush? IOW, he's trying to compensate for a lack of ability by trying to confuse the offense.

[Skins3000]

You're right! Fire him! It couldn't be because coverage broke down...couldn't have anything to do with the players...It's gotta be GW...he's gotta go...

Jackass...

Also, we got more pressure on the QB today than we normally get.

But GW's gotta go, right....

Jackass...

Last time I checked you embicile, when you only rush four, you are dropping eight people into coverage when at one point we were playing a basic cover two zone when Porter caught the touchdown. A quarterback should only have 3 seconds to throw the ball but in Collins case had at least five seconds. So it is a scheme flaw arm chair quarterback.

[jbooma]

what killed us was wasting all that time before the half when insted of a FG we could have gotten closer for a TD

[KillaCam21]

Gregg Williams has to go! He might be as arrogant as Brian Billick. What kind of moron doesn't play Lavar as much as possible? GW!!!!!!, the #1 scrub on the scene. I hate Gregg Williams. He has won us NOTHING! We don't owe him a thing. Why don't we carry more than 3.5 corners (jimoh)?

[dfitzo53]

Last time I checked you embicile, when you only rush four, you are dropping eight people into coverage when at one point we were playing a basic cover two zone when Porter caught the touchdown. A quarterback should only have 3 seconds to throw the ball but in Collins case had at least five seconds. So it is a scheme flaw arm chair quarterback.

Wow, this post is funny. First of all, the word you're looking for is imbecile. Secondly, if you rush four there should be seven in coverage. Four + seven = eleven. I think we should save the name calling until we can do first grade math.

[Sarge]

Yeah, fire GW TODAY!!!!!!!!

But wait. Who replaces him?

Retards

[Skins3000]

I guess you all missed the fact that our MLB was getting picked on that one near the goal line.

Sometimes, you have to give the other team some credit.

Jason
I give the team credit when they simply execute better when another team also execute their team much better. The Skins did not even come close to executing and that lb did get picked only because he was too deep and trying to cover a slant pass which he thought was going to be thrown to Moss. Last time I checked Lb cover rb coming out of the back field. The lb should have been playing much closer to the line of scrimmage and played flat.

[WallyVon]

Although everyone certainly shares a part of the blame, the reason this team is not good is because the talent of our players isn't very good.

It's time to admit that chris Samuels isn't a very good player. We've invested a ton of money in this guy, and he isn't producing. He needs help against any good defensive ends, and usually the guy helping him is Robert Royal, who has a tendency to hold when he blocks. We need to admit to ourselves that drafting Samuels so high was a mistake.

The rest of the offensive line, other than Samuels, is solid. Santana Moss is great, Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts are both good. Our TE/H-backs are good players, especially Cooley (although he fumbles too much).

Our other wide receivers after Moss are horrid though. Taylor Jacobs was a terrible draft pick. David Patten did nothing before getting hurt. James Thrash is a good player, but he is best served in a utility role.

Mark Brunell is a decent quarterback, but he is too old to lead this team anywhere. It is time to see what Jason Campbell can do. Patrick Ramsey is destined to be a career backup.

On defense, our best defensive lineman is Joe Salave'a. Cornelius Griffin is solid too. Our defensive ends haven't done a damn thing. Phillip Daniels and Renaldo Wynn are both old guy who take up space and can't beat any offensive tackles. That position needs to be revamped drastically.

Marcus Washington and LaVar Arrington are both very talented players, and Lemar Marshall is solid. Our linebackers hold this unit together.

Our secondary has been pretty solid, but Walt Harris and Shawn Springs are old for starting cornerbacks. Carlos Rogers is looking like a busted draft pick. We need to revamp this position over the next few years because of age.

At safety, Ryan Clark and Sean Taylor are both good players.

So, there is where our problems lie: left tackle, wide receiver, defensive end, and cornerback because of the age of our starters.

It is time to look towards next year.

[jabronijames]

Defense kept this from being a blowout, man. I can't go along with you there. Now, if only our offense had shown up to play the second half of the game...that woulda been GREAT!

[Fred Jones]

G.W. does not need to be fired. The players messed up just as much as the coaches.

[RedskinzOwnU]

I cna blame gregg williams on a few very questionable play calls, but under no circumstances should he be fired. he's probably the best coach on the team. he doesn't have the personnel he needs. we get no pressure with the D-line, we have suspect corners aside from sean springs, and we have 1 allstar safety who can, at best, only cover half the field. We have a decent linebacking corp, but we're getting wrecked in the pass and there's nothing we can do to stop it, we don't have the players.

I'm also very disappointed with carloes rogers - not that pacman jones or rolle have turned out to be any better - but he really does nothing in coverage. His best play this year was a pick in the preseason.

[skinsbosoxheels]

Joe "Mr. Conservative" Gibbs...if we get the lead...look out..heaven forbid we go and try to win the game...Gibbs is so nervous he can't even watch a field goal...wonder if he will watch the race today?

[Skins3000]

Yeah, fire GW TODAY!!!!!!!!

But wait. Who replaces him?

Retards

Who said anything about firing him during the season, Mr. I cannot read.

[Phat Hog]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/Feartheunown/stupid_thread.jpg

[atloldskin]

Surely, this is a joke. Yes, the D is not playing as good as last year, but we miss Griffin. Taylor looked pretty good today. Our problem was the O today and turnovers, of course!

[skinsngibbs4life]

the talent of our players isan't good? please.

the redskins organization, for hte last 10 years, has always had the talent level to succeed. It always the coaches that mess us up. And right now, im starting to believe that that is the problem now as well.

[Skins3000]

Wow, this post is funny. First of all, the word you're looking for is imbecile. Secondly, if you rush four there should be seven in coverage. Four + seven = eleven. I think we should save the name calling until we can do first grade math.

Check your spelling youngan, I understand you just left high school. But seven is correct I give your credit when I am wrong but the point is their is more defenders in the secondary to COVER. With only four rushing and 5 people blocking, who is going to win that battle young man since you are good with math.

[jonjeff]

I realize we are missing Thrash and Patten, but today's game plan was far too conservative. We gave Oakland every chance to get back into the game. The fumbles by Portis really killed us. The play that I look back on the most was a third down mid way through the first period. Portis clearly was past the marker, the Skins got a bad spot. Gibbs never even considered going for it on fourth and inches on the Raider 43 yard line. Not only should he had the play reviewed, but he should have had the confidense in his team to muster up a couple of inches to keep the momentum going. That was some of the worst playcalling I have ever seen out of Joe Gibbs. This isn't the eighties anymore Joe. You have to take some chances nowadays. This season is slipping away very fast. I would be very surprised if we manage to finish .500 at this rate.

[skin_finatic]

so you wanna fire a top 5 d-coordinator who only allowed 16 points(3 in a really short field) despite so many offensive 3 and outs that kept them on the field. who do you want replace williams with?

another :sucks:

[WallyVon]

the talent of our players isan't good? please.

the redskins organization, for hte last 10 years, has always had the talent level to succeed. It always the coaches that mess us up. And right now, im starting to believe that that is the problem now as well.

It's not the coaches fault. Sure, we have some talented players, but overall we have some very weak players starting at key positions.

Chris Samuels stinks. Taylor Jacobs and David Patten both stink. Phillip Daniels and Renaldo Wynn stink.

Those are key positioins where we aren't good at all. Our coaches have done well to overcome those problems to the extent they have.

[TK]

I see more of you guys are asking for time outs.


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[Samuels]

I blame that touchdown on Taylor and the lack of a passrusher. Taylor locked onto Moss and yes that was his responsibilty but he also had to recognize that his MLB had a good Wr 1 on 1 right down the seam.

And has anyone else noticed Marcus Washinton can't cover a terd 1 on 1 seriously. And thier is no reason why LA should'nt being lineing opposite Clemons at De if they don't like him in coverage that is my biggest gripe with GW..

Another thing has long has Wynn and Daniels are on the roster GW will play them on rush downs which is sad. They are big and strong run defenders move 1 of them to DT on 3rd and get the other 1 off the field already they generate no passrush period a armchair QB can see that.

We miss Pierce and Smoot a ton I don't care what anybody says and with them we still needed a passrush..

They have to address De this offseason and not with just a rookie.

[Mooka]

I love how people are complaining about the Defense.

The Defense scored more points then the freaking offense.

And FYI, when you blitz, you have mis-matches in the secondary which is probably why we had LBs in coverage.

[dfitzo53]

Check your spelling youngan, I understand you just left high school. But seven is correct I give your credit when I am wrong but the point is their is more defenders in the secondary to COVER. With only four rushing and 5 people blocking, who is going to win that battle young man since you are good with math.

I just asked my friends Merriam and Webster. They're saying it's imbecile.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/imbecile

For comparison:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/embicile

EDIT: Anyway, TK 421's strongly suggesting we call a truce. I'm extending an olive branch, we're all Skins fans here.

[sith lord]

News flash. It's the coaches fault also.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Williams and the rest of the assistants drawbacks seem to be their egos:doh: God help us we get on GW :rolleyes: He is not doing a great job this year due to our lack of talent.

#1 reason why we need a G.M.

[mookie0720]

So at what point do the coaches ever get blamed for anything?

[AsiaticSkinsFan]

News flash. It's the coaches fault also.
exactly... this team is very flawed...

[BG]

Some of you fickle fans make me actually want to stop drinking for fear of dain bramage.

[Bugster2k]

Was it just me, or did anyone else, note the lack of Passing to Santana Moss? Remember him???? 2nd in the leage in reception yards???

[TheCoach22]

Gibbs, while always conservative, use to go for the throat when he had an opponent on the ropes (how many bombs did we connect on in 1991?). Now he lets them hang around. When you try to win close, you are going to lose some close ones. As poorly as we played, we took a 13-3 lead into the half. Then we get shutout in the second half. Are crossing patterns or three step drop & deliver the slant even in our playbook? Everything but for the WR screen is slow in developing.

And the D was awful as well. Why we decided to put this game on our D after their showing last week is beyond me, but we did. Up 13-3, give up a 50-yd TD. Up 13-10, give-up an 87 yard drive. Tied at 13-13, don't tighten until inside the one. As frustrating is that we are back in that play well on down one and down two, give-in on third down routine again. Reality, Kerry Collins and Chris Simms have beaten us this year... Wow

[sith lord]

So at what point do the coaches ever get blamed for anything?

If this was anybody other than Gibbs, everybody would be ripping him a new one.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

So at what point do the coaches ever get blamed for anything?

Never. Coach Gibbs decision-making this year, not necessarily all the playcalling but those IMPORTANT moments in games that decide them, has been lackluster. If any other coach pulled some of the things he's pulled, they'd get fried on this board.

[Drex]

"Patrick Ramsey is destined to be a career backup."

Considering the luck of the franchise as of late, I am not so sure I can agree with this assessment.

[WallyVon]

So at what point do the coaches ever get blamed for anything?

Well, when multiple coaches fail over an extended period of time, it gets harder and harder to blame them.

Joe Gibbs, Joe Bugel, Gregg Williams, and Greg Blache are great coaches. If they can't do well, I'm inclined to suspect our players are the problem. And the performance on the field has validated my suspicions.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Lemme also say that the people who wanted a FA DE like Bert Berry or Burgess or even Bryce Fisher or trading for Adewale Ogunleye have been fully vindicated now.

There's another cat out there but I can't remember his name off the top.

[RedskinzOwnU]

EVery point u made is perfect Aluadan. I don't know what the coaches are thinking sometimes.

[WallyVon]

If this was anybody other than Gibbs, everybody would be ripping him a new one.

What mistakes did he make today?? The punt on 4th and 1 was a questionable decision, but at the time it was the right one.

[Drex]

Well, when multiple coaches fail over an extended period of time, it gets harder and harder to blame them.

Joe Gibbs, Joe Bugel, Gregg Williams, and Greg Blache are great coaches. If they can't do well, I'm inclined to suspect our players are the problem. And the performance on the field has validated my suspicions.

However, to some degree, the caliber of players that are brung into this system are a reflection of the wants of the coaches. For example, guys like Daniels, Harris and Holdman were brung in without question, due to the presence of a coach such as Blache.

You can't just pin the blame on the players.

[Seabee1973]

Santana was covered most of the day when that happens the other recievers need to execute.

[Stophovr6]

Sorry but once you said Cooley fumbles too much I stopped reading. Let me see those numbers cause I hope you meant to reorganise your thoughts and say that Brunell fumbles too much.

This comes down to accountability my friend. Bottom line, The Coach and his assistants are accountable during game time.

[dcoles11]

If this was anybody other than Gibbs, everybody would be ripping him a new one.

Thank you, i'm pretty sure you'll get blasted for saying this but its true and I give you credit for having the balls to say it.

If this was Norv Turner or Spurrier coaching the Skins right now we'd be calling for their head.

But because its Gibbs we don't, we are in awe of him because of the past.

He was out of football for 11 years guys, the game is different.

Do you honestly think Gibbs is one of the top 5 coaches in the league? He's probably not even in the top 10.

What was the name of the defensive cord. we had?? Marvin Lewis, man sure would be nice to have him.

[Bugster2k]

He may have been covered, but he was double covered in the Dallas win. Brunell was throwing to Jacobs who was also covered most of the day.

[WallyVon]

Sorry but once you said Cooley fumbles too much I stopped reading. Let me see those numbers cause I hope you meant to reorganise your thoughts and say that Brunell fumbles too much.

This comes down to accountability my friend. Bottom line, The Coach and his assistants are accountable during game time.

Cooley does fumble too much. He has only lost two fumbles, but he has had a number of other fumbles that we recovered, like the one in the Eagles game or the one today.

[mookie0720]

Well if you want to blame the players, and the lack of talent on the team then it STILL falls on the coaches.

Gibbs is essentially the GM of this team. Him and Williams hand picked all the guys on this team, and weeded out the ones they didn't want.

The players that are here are only here because the coaches wanted them here.

[Bugster2k]

Jacobs isn't proven, and showed not much today. We keep finding ways to lose, when we should be kickin *****

[NorthCarolinaRedskin]

The coaches are making every person lose confidence in the Redskins because we don't GO for ANYTHING.

[dcoles11]

I hate the direction the Redskins are going in. We have an aging coach that I don't see sticking around long enough to where we can build for the future under him. We are playing a 36 year old QB like we are some sort of contenders when we odviously are not.

We are putting the future of the Redskins on the back burner so we can finish seasons 8-8.

I don't like it and I just want the losing to stop and thats not going to happen until we make a real comittment to the future.

[sith lord]

What mistakes did he make today?? The punt on 4th and 1 was a questionable decision, but at the time it was the right one.

He passes when he should run and run when he should pass way to often. He kept throwing to Jacobs down the sideline, time after time, even though he was consistantly covered. He punted on 4th and 1 when our offense was moving the ball. Parcells would of went for it and got it. Dating back to last year, his playcalling in the final minutes have left a lot to be desired.

I'm sorry. But it is, what it is.

[WallyVon]

Well if you want to blame the players, and the lack of talent on the team then it STILL falls on the coaches.

Gibbs is essentially the GM of this team. Him and Williams hand picked all the guys on this team, and weeded out the ones they didn't want.

The players that are here are only here because the coaches wanted them here.

2 years isn't enough time to bring in the players Gibbs wanted, especially considering our dire cap situation.

The GM of this team is and always has been Dan Snyder. Cerrato is just a yes man.

[Bugster2k]

I don't think Gregg Williams needs to go, I think the corners need to cover their men, and not 8 yardes off, like Walt Harris.

[buckeyeG]

the talent of our players isan't good? please.

the redskins organization, for hte last 10 years, has always had the talent level to succeed. It always the coaches that mess us up. And right now, im starting to believe that that is the problem now as well.


Sure the coaches have somewhat to do with this but they are not the ones turning over the football.

This may be the one thing that stands out in all our losses. :mad:

[Joncevensen]

all i will say about Gregg Williams is: O how the mighty have fallen

[WallyVon]

He passes when he should run and run when he should pass way to often. He kept throwing to Jacobs down the sideline, time after time, even though he was consistantly covered. He punted on 4th and 1 when our offense was moving the ball. Parcells would of went for it and got it. Dating back to last year, his playcalling in the final minutes have left a lot to be desired.

I'm sorry. But it is, what it is.

What it is is fans refusing to realize the lack of talent on this team.

First off, Brunell made the decisions to throw to Jacobs, not Gibbs. But even if Gibbs had made the decision, it was a forced decision. Team's are triple covering Santana Moss, and Cooley has to block alot of the time because of Samuels.

"He passes when he should run and run when he should pass." This says it all about the caliber of our fans.

[Drex]

I hate the direction the Redskins are going in. We have an aging coach that I don't see sticking around long enough to where we can build for the future under him. We are playing a 36 year old QB like we are some sort of contenders when we odviously are not.

We are putting the future of the Redskins on the back burner so we can finish seasons 8-8.

I don't like it and I just want the losing to stop and thats not going to happen until we make a real comittment to the future.

We need to discontinue the distressing trend of consistently trading draft picks each season.

[Higgs44]

the talent of our players isan't good? please.

the redskins organization, for hte last 10 years, has always had the talent level to succeed. It always the coaches that mess us up. And right now, im starting to believe that that is the problem now as well.

No offense, but good players dont cough up the rock at the rate ours do. They are ok players, but thats it!

[WallyVon]

The coaches are making every person lose confidence in the Redskins because we don't GO for ANYTHING.

You may not like it, but keeping extra men in to block is the smartest decision Gibbs could make. Going for it by putting more receivers in routes would just leave Brunell out there to dry. He would get killed.

[Bugster2k]

The way I see it, our defense actually kept us in the game, but our offense, couldn't get the job done, again.

[Bugster2k]

It's pretty sad, when our defense stops a first and goal, to hold them to a Field Goal, while our Offense is going 3 and out.

[WallyVon]

We need to discontinue the distressing trend of consistently trading draft picks each season.

This is a very smart post. Building through the draft is a necessity, and we have been treating our picks like a day trader treats his stocks. We need to treasure our picks and stop giving them away to teams like the Broncos in questionable trades.

[sith lord]

What it is is fans refusing to realize the lack of talent on this team.

First off, Brunell made the decisions to throw to Jacobs, not Gibbs. But even if Gibbs had made the decision, it was a forced decision. Team's are triple covering Santana Moss, and Cooley has to block alot of the time because of Samuels.

"He passes when he should run and run when he should pass." This says it all about the caliber of our fans.

Who calls the plays? Gibbs or Brunnell? And how do you know the pass plays to Jacobs weren't called by Gibbs? And he's the one who has assembled this "lack of talent" team.

[bulldog]

I think the first post in this thread mistakes talent for performance.

At the skill positions the Redskins have talented players (outside of DE).

What these players have not done the past couple of weeks and in earlier losses this season is play consistent, focused football for 60 minutes.

On defense, the loss of Griffin is critical because he is the team's only threat on the DL. He takes up the double team and allows the other players to have more favorable matchups.

It is perhaps a justifiable criticism of the team that we didn't do anything in the offseason to address depth on the DL. Not one move.

No picks in the draft. No free agents.

With Noble out for the year and Griffin out week to week, that weakness has been exposed.

The pressure the Redskins got off the edge last year from the corners and safeties is not getting there as teams are moving to better protection schemes for the qbs on third down and are running shorter drops.

Simms and Collins were able to get the ball off against rushes where the Skins had TWO players coming in unblocked.

The point is that those players were defensive backs coming in from the center of the field, not down linemen who are just a couple of steps away from the passer.

On the other side of the ball, Bugel has to take some heat for the Redskins offensive line and pass protection schemes allowing Simeon Rice and Derrick Burgess to have season best games against the Redskins.

The line is perhaps the healthiest part of the team. It could have been a rallying cry after the 5-3 start. Instead it has been one of the spots that seems to need shoring up.

[WallyVon]

Who calls the plays? Gibbs or Brunnell? And how do you know the pass plays to Jacobs weren't called by Gibbs? And he's the one who has assembled this "lack of talent" team.

What exactly would you do when your only good receiver is triple covered, and you have to use your tight ends to block???

Throwing it to Jacobs in man coverage was the right decision. The problem is that Jacobs sucks, not the play call.

[WallyVon]

On the other side of the ball, Bugel has to take some heat for the Redskins offensive line and pass protection schemes allowing Simeon Rice and Derrick Burgess to have season best games against the Redskins.

The line is perhaps the healthiest part of the team. It could have been a rallying cry after the 5-3 start. Instead it has been one of the spots that seems to need shoring up.

Don't forget Jared Allen, who had 3 sacks when we played him, or Osi Umenyiora, who had 2 sacks against us. Simeon Rice had 2 sacks last week, and Burgess did well today.

I'm not sure about Burgess, who I believe played on both sides of the line, but what do the other 3 players have in common?? They lined up against Chris Samuels exclusively.

The other 4 offensive linemen are fine. The right side of the line is where we always run it, behind Jansen, Thomas, and sometimes a pulling Dockery. Rabach has been a great pickup.

Samuels stinks.

[RedskinForLife]

It seems to me that you don't know what team is going to show up.Last week our offense puts up 35 points and our defense played like crap.This week our defense plays well enough for us to win if we could score touchdowns instead of fieldgoals but our offense plays like crap.The playcalling was disgusting.I swear to God I can't get a grasp of the mentality of this team.What the hell were they thinking?:mad: :(

[hiswadeness]

Will the real Redskins please stand up? Are we a good team that has bad days, or a bad team that has good days?

[EHoffman]

5-11 seems like a certainty. Walt Harris is a bum. Taylor Jacobs for MVP. The O-line is similar to the Berlin Wall at the end of the Cold War.

[SkinnedAussie]

For me, the journey is over.

Thank you for the past 11 weeks, where you gave us hope that we were a legitimate team. The next six weeks are, in all reality, just another six weeks to disappoint and frustrate. :(

No longer will I be getting out of bed at 4.30am on a Monday morning and log in to GameCentre, just to see you dominate the first half, then forget to turn up for the second. Last week, you didn't front for the first half, but dominated the second. With that, seeing as though you only play 1/2 a game each week, maybe you all should hand back half your salary.

We are approaching summer here in Australia, so I'm sure I can find better things to do with my time. I will continue to support the Redskins, but really, I can do without the heartbreak.

Again, thanks (for nothing), good luck for the rest of the season, but I'll be back next pre-season with hope and anticipation that, as a team, you finally get it all together.
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A tongue-in-cheek letter from another disappointed fan.

I suppose it could be worse - we could be the Iggles!

[SonnyRules]

:sucks: Rather than spitting crap off the top of your head; try to put some thought into starting a new thread.

[Califan007]

I know a woman in Australia named Kylie...If I were in your country I would easily spend my time with her instead of the Skins...lol ;)

But, I'm not...I"m here, so it's gonna have to be the Skins, win or lose. (but it would make being here instead of there far more tolerable if they's win!!)

[EHoffman]

:sucks: Rather than spitting crap off the top of your head; try to put some thought into starting a new thread.
But I don't want to try. Much like Taylor Jacobs.

[TK]

But I don't want to try. Much like Taylor Jacobs.
Then find a board with lower standards (http://www.hailredskins.com/) to post at.

[NorthCarolinaRedskin]

Being in the heat must be nice. If it were summer during football season it would help me forget all of the disappointments during the day.

[Warhead36]

Then find a board with lower standards (http://www.hailredskins.com/) to post at.

lowblow :doh: :laugh:

[SonnyRules]

Hang on there mate....the ride isn't over yet!!!!

[SkinnedAussie]

Maybe not entirely, but I'm expecting it to be less comfortable as the season draws to an end.

I'm not giving up entirely, just no longer getting up way too early and have the day, and for that matter, the week, start on such a bad note.

[SonnyRules]

Will the real Redskins please stand up? Are we a good team that has bad days, or a bad team that has good days?

You are right on target with that question:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/Iniki/BullsEye.gif

Wish I knew the answer.

[SHARPASAARROWHEAD]

Greg Williams and Walt Harris both BLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Both overated and full of bull$&$*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sith lord]

Greg Williams and Walt Harris both BLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Both overated and full of bull$&$*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Joe Gibbs coaches not to lose.

[fansince62]

hey cmon now....our FO is doing the best it can to help rebuild the Broncos!!!!

[3CardMonte]

hey cmon now....our FO is doing the best it can to help rebuild the Broncos!!!!
5,866 post ...do you ever contribute anything good?

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Since you have to get up at 4:30 am to see the games and summer is fast approahing I have to say...I don't blame you. If I lived in the Cayman Islands the Redskins would be the last thing on my mind everyday. Only the beach. ;)...and the next hurricane of course.

[asnpcwiz]

I agree...I was at the game and now feel that all hope is lost.

[redskin81]

hey cmon now....our FO is doing the best it can to help rebuild the Broncos!!!!

lol, lets trade LA and jansen gor a 7th round pick and an usher. Really, look at the teams that get good and stay good. Wanna know what they have in common? They stockpile draft picks not unload them.

[Monk in the Hall!]

It seems that there is a pretty good game plan to beat us now:

Stopping our offense:
1) Blitz Brunnell- we dont seem to cover it very well.
2) Double team Moss. Dont worry, with our max protection schemes, there is little else to fear
3) But lots of men in the box- not let Portis get too many options
4) Dont give us the big play, we will eventually beat ourselves (turnovers)

Success against our defense
1) Pass, pass, pass- our defensive back field is not terrible, but we have no
rush at all.
2) Be patient, try to avoid 3rd and long. If you wait long enough, we will give you a big play.
3) Dont abandon the run (but dont expect much success).

We dont have enought weapons on WR and our Tackles dont do a good job with speed rushing LBs on the edges. We have no pash rush from the line- NONE! If we had even a little bit of help in those arenas, we MIGHT be able to overcome our turnovers.

We have too many holes... I sure hope Campbell is good... be gave up a pick in the 20s this year and a pick in the teens next draft for him...

Time will tell

[sith lord]

If I was an offensive cordinator going against the Skins, I would call pass 70% of the time and on the few running plays, I would run sweeps.

[skins4eva]

Our coaches have shown a complete inability to make any types of adjustments either week-to-week or during halftime. And the whole turnover thing is really mind boggling. I sometimes get the impression that the players just aren't listening to this staff

[Hoosierskin]

One of Gibb's strengths used to be half-time adjustments. This is a concern. But does Gibbs have the talent? I feel we are at least 2 guys away on both sides of the ball to contend for the playoffs. But when you are losing all your draft choices year in and year out...those 4 players are hard to find. Secondly, we got very lucky against Dallas and Seattle...in my eyes we are lucky we are not 3-7 at this point. It is time to start playing for the future. This team is not a playoff team. San Diego is licking their chops tonight and now it is Marty's turn to get some payback on Danny boy.

[FootballGuy2677]

Smart move of the day: Lemar Marshall our linebacker on wide reciever Jerry Porter. Its not your fault Lemar.

[blackice7x]

I am 15 years old. And I am pissed off. I live in PA but really I am from the DC area and go down there often. Every since I can remember the Redskins have sucked. Every singles year. It makes me want to quit being a Redskins fan. This year when I finally thought something good was going to happen we go and kill ourselves. We will now have the rest of the season to watch us pull an average preformance to end the season. Final results? Around 8-8. Better than last year. Now I am eager to hear the hate comments and the backlash.

[blackice7x]

Test Test Test

[marsbennett]

You should rename this thread:


LET'S BE REALISITIC THREAD!

[marsbennett]

And Joe Gibbs coaches not to lose.
You go boyz




Throw them ALL UNDER THE BUS!
BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What a crew.

[dockeryfan]

There's a lot more to like about the Redskins this year than last, but the losses this year are heartbreakers.
I think I can take a drubbing by the Giants much better than having to witness giving one away in KC, or losing one today where if the offense shows up at all we win the game.

Make no mistake, the team is getting close. This team is light years ahead of last year, and next year it will ibe even more competitive. It's a good time to be a skins fan, it's just the growing pains suck. Taylor Jacobs is not the answer, and he showed it today.
We still have a great chance to sweep the Eagles, and we did beat the Cowboys at home ;).
Hell, if Bugel can actually create some protection, we may actually finish with a winning record.