New Chucky Trade Rumor

[Skinned]

Heard on Sportstalk 980 this morning that the Wiz are discussing sending Chucky and Jeffries to the Knicks for Quentin Richardson.

I would highly be against this deal. As much as Jeffries annoys us, he still is a very solid defensive player on a team that needs all the defensive help it can get. Q is a shooter and is too one-dimensional.

[Mr Platypus]

Yuck! I like having Jeffries on this team.

Besides, Q. Richardson is nothing special...IMO.

[LiveStrongSkins]

Q in the right system can be a great player. Jeffries is not a good player to me. Doesnt matter what anyone says, we are a bad defensive team and its not like he is helping it become that much better.

[Mr Platypus]

Good point. Although, Jeffries only gets 22 minutes a game.

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

We need a SG. The Antonio Daniels experiment has not worked out so well, so far. A good thing about Q is he can post up guards and score down low. If we can't swing a deal for a solid PF, Q would not be a bad alternative. And our D is already so bad, is losing Jeffries really going to make that much of a difference? At least this way we can get back to how we won last year, outrunning and outscoring our opponents.

[LiveStrongSkins]

Exactly Fatty P. Here is my question. For the little bit of average defense, is he giving us anything on the offensive side to help us? Nope! You cant have a starter giving you 3 points and 2 rebounds on an average night. I guess Ernie is sick of the infatuation with Jeffries. Butler needs to play more and this move allows for that. Chucky has showed he can be a malcontent. I love this move. This team gives up a player who is virtually non-existent for crucial part of games, and a aging guard for a young explosive player who can stretch defenses and add a much needed punch to this team.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I guess Q doesn't bring much defense to the table.

ugh, something needs to happen though.

[arenasisgod]

I like and dislike the deal.
Q will immediately become the best shooter on the squad, and will not hesitate to chuck up a three when Gil hits the hole. A starting five with Gil, Q, Butler, Tawn and Wood would be a serious offensive threat.
But then again, Q has a new contract, along with the baggage of losing his second brother to deal with. Trading for him was considered a mistake by the Knicks and I don't like that the Wiz are giving away two valuable pieces (both with expiring contracts) for him. Plus Chucky is showing his worth recently and Jeffries made some great plays in the playoffs last year.
I say come up with a package for Artest instead. **crosses fingers

Q does hit free throws though, correct?

[RaleighSkinsMann]

Although we do need to step up on d....QRich would be perfect for our princeton style offense

[Bugs']

Q does hit free throws though, correct?

No, career average of .715%, not good for a SG at all.

Although we do need to step up on d....QRich would be perfect for our princeton style offense

Jefferies is better suited for the Princeton style offense as it relies on your big man being able to dribble the ball, like Jefferies can do.


I am against this trade 100% Q is not as good as everyone might think. Here are his career numbers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?statsId=3417

Only averages 12.4 points for his career, hell Atkins averages 10.5! And Chucky brings more to the table, assists and better defense. Q is one dimensional.....his career stats for assists, rebounds, blocks all suck. Jared plays good defense....sure our defense sucks now but it would be 10x worse without Jared, he always gets the tough assignments. Q is only averaging 6.8 points a game this year as a starter :doh:

[Skinned]

sure our defense sucks now but it would be 10x worse without Jared, he always gets the tough assignments. Q is only averaging 6.8 points a game this year as a starter :doh:


Agreed. Jeffries always draws the tough assignment and we actually do NEED him on the defensive end.

If we could do the same trade but for Artest, I would do it in a heartbeat.

[arenasisgod]

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[Leonard Washington]

that's a terrible trade

[LiveStrongSkins]

Atkins isnt in our plans and Jeffries hasnt panned out plain and simple. People act like because he can stay on the perimeter for a big guy, that makes him a good defender. He gets bullied for rebounds and stronger guys abuse him. He gives us nothing on the offensive end and often times shoots so horribly, that it instantly starts a fast break for the other team. This move is a direct move to help out Arenas. Defenses dont have to respect any shooter on the squad and therefore they pack it in on Arenas. Jeffries is expendble because we have a guy making 49 million at his spot and a young Blatche in the wings. Atkins is a aging guard in the last year of his contract. There is NO chance he would be back here next year, so we might as well get something for him and build for the future.

[BleedB&G4life]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nba/article/0,2777,DRMN_23922_4313899,00.html

I would package the farm to get Kenyon Martin from Denver. A starting five with Gilbert, Butler, Tawn, Martin and Wood would be great from top to bottom.

General manager Kiki Vandeweghe refuted an ESPN.com report in which an unnamed agent said Denver is considering trading Kenyon Martin. "I don't comment on rumors and we're not interested in trading him," Vandeweghe said. Added Martin: "I don't get involved with that. I go out and do my job every day. If it ain't good enough, they will." . . . Vandeweghe is optimistic the Nuggets today will get an NBA disabled player exception for injured Nene. "I feel we have a very good chance," Vandeweghe said of the exception, which could be worth $1.52 million . . . Voshon Lenard, who had the flu, dressed out but didn't play . . . etc

[fdarugar]

This team was good last year because we could rip a 15-0 run in no time. Q brings that element to the table. Face it, we are a bad defensive team with an offense that isnt clicking. I am all for Q Rich on this team. A deal for K Mart would be pretty sweet tho.

[DonMagicJuan]

we def need a PF that can come in and just take over the boards/inside game along with Brandon....getting Q woudlnt help because we alreyad got Caron and Tawn to play teh 2 or 3....

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

People act like because [Jeffries] can stay on the perimeter for a big guy, that makes him a good defender. He gets bullied for rebounds and stronger guys abuse him. He gives us nothing on the offensive end and often times shoots so horribly, that it instantly starts a fast break for the other team.

Agreed. He's only good defensively against slow SFs or weak PFs. He has no position, he's just out there doing his thing, which isn't much. He can't shoot remotely good enough to play the 3, and he's too weak to play the 4. He's shown signs of aggression and taking it to the hoop, but so has Kwame and other busts. And the only 6'10"+ players who are as weak at rebounding as he is are Haywood and Blount from Boston. If we can get anything of value in a package for Jeffries, especially a SG or PF, I'm all for it. I agree about Atkins too, we don't need him. He was a bonus in the Kwame trade who will definitely be shipped out by the trade deadline. I think Daniels will thrive in the backup PG role, as he did in Seattle.

[fdarugar]

we def need a PF that can come in and just take over the boards/inside game along with Brandon....getting Q woudlnt help because we alreyad got Caron and Tawn to play teh 2 or 3....

Haywood
Twan
Butler
Q Rich
Gil

Thats a scary offensive line up, reminds me of...last year, when we were GOOD.

[InGibbsITrust]

Q in the right system can be a great player. Jeffries is not a good player to me. Doesnt matter what anyone says, we are a bad defensive team and its not like he is helping it become that much better.

I agree completely. Here's my problem with everyone saying how much Jeffries contributes on D or whatever: He only plays like 15 minutes a game. He might help on D but Eddie Jordan apparently doesn't think he helps enough to run him our there for 30-35 minutes a game. Not to mention he's in the last year of his deal. I say if you can grad Q for Atkins/jefferies you do it.

[Warhead36]

I'd do this trade in a heartbeat.

If we're having Daniels be our PG off the bench now theres no room for Atkins, plus he doesn't want to be here anyway.

Jeffries can play D but he doesn't bring much else. Besides, he plays too much for his lack of a skill set.

Q Rich would fit our offense perfectly. He was amazing last year in the RUN RUN Pheonix offense, he's struggling now because the Knicks run a horrible offense under Larry Brown(see the Pistons now, they're BETTER on offense without him).

Our new team with starter then backup:

Arenas, Daniels
Hayes, Butler(interchangable though really)
Jamison, Richardson(interchangable as well)
Thomas, Ruffin
Haywood, Blatche

[Leonard Washington]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nba/article/0,2777,DRMN_23922_4313899,00.html

I would package the farm to get Kenyon Martin from Denver. A starting five with Gilbert, Butler, Tawn, Martin and Wood would be great from top to bottom.

General manager Kiki Vandeweghe refuted an ESPN.com report in which an unnamed agent said Denver is considering trading Kenyon Martin. "I don't comment on rumors and we're not interested in trading him," Vandeweghe said. Added Martin: "I don't get involved with that. I go out and do my job every day. If it ain't good enough, they will." . . . Vandeweghe is optimistic the Nuggets today will get an NBA disabled player exception for injured Nene. "I feel we have a very good chance," Vandeweghe said of the exception, which could be worth $1.52 million . . . Voshon Lenard, who had the flu, dressed out but didn't play . . . etc


hey now you're cooking with gas! i'd even include AJ if they wanted him.

[FranchiseTY11]

i would love for this trade to go down. im tired of the jeffries experiment. the guy is awful. he may play decent defense on occasion, but i would much rather give that and his 3.7 ppg and 2.1 rpg or whatever his sorry numbers are up for a guy who would add a serious punch to our offense in eddie j's free flowing system. q can post up smaller guards and over-power them because of how strong he is. i mean look at the guy, he is built like a rock. he can also stretch the d with his consistent 3-ball range which would complement gil very nicely in our backcourt. as well for chucky, has expressed a desire to leave, i say let him go. why would you want a guy in the locker room who doesnt want to be here and has the potential to create a distraction in the locker room. im all for it, lets bring q to dc!

[Bugs']

Why is everyone so eager to change our roster up....we need to settle on a rotation and get guys in the flow to really see what our team looks like before we make changes. We have enough people at Q's position plus he is not as good as everyone seems to think he is .... 6.8 points this year? 12.4 for his career? And he doesn't rebound or dish out assists or block shots....he is just a shooter....and he is not good at the line either. What is this fasination for him?

[Bugs']

the guy is awful. he may play decent defense on occasion, but i would much rather give that and his 3.7 ppg and 2.1 rpg or whatever his sorry numbers

Jefferies actually averages 5.2 pts., 4.4 rebounds, 1.9 assists per game and is a good defender.

vs.

Q Richardson averages 7.4 pts., 4.1 rebounds, 1.6 assists and is not a good defender.


So he only averages 2 more points a game more than Jefferies.....we want to give up a 7' good defender for him why?

[FranchiseTY11]

Jefferies actually averages 5.2 pts., 4.4 rebounds, 1.9 assists per game and is a good defender.

vs.

Q Richardson averages 7.4 pts., 4.1 rebounds, 1.6 assists and is not a good defender.


So he only averages 2 more points a game more than Jefferies.....we want to give up a 7' good defender for him why?

ok, look at the system q is in this year vs. last year. the knicks suck, and q has not been getting the same opportunitys with the knicks as he did with the suns in 04-05. the suns, who q played with last season have a free flowing system similar to the wiz and would fit in nicely. jeffries plays ok defense sometimes and yes i would like to give his sorry ***** away, he is not consistent and is horrid on offense.

[LiveStrongSkins]

ok, look at the system q is in this year vs. last year. the knicks suck, and q has not been getting the same opportunitys with the knicks as he did with the suns in 04-05. the suns, who q played with last season have a free flowing system similar to the wiz and would fit in nicely. jeffries plays ok defense sometimes and yes i would like to give his sorry ***** away, he is not consistent and is horrid on offense.

I agree. Jeffries is in a motion system and still plays like garbage. He couldnt throw a rock in the ocean from a sail boat.

Ham sandwhich anyone? :laugh:

I'm sorry... I just cant convince myself to think that Jeffries is doing a whole lot to help this team. Wow.. he can handle the ball.. what else can he do with it? It's time to part ways with him and get someone who can help stretch the defense sense no one else plays defense anyways.

[arenasisgod]

The reason Q's numbers have been subpar is because the Knicks have 50000000 shooting guards

[Big C]

q rich is not what we need. he heaves the ball up way too much, especially if he were to start with us. we dont need a guy who is going to be taking quick shots, we have arenas for that and he does it too much to begin with. we played better when he was out because we passed the ball and were patient. if we bring in q rich we will certainly not be patient. he also has a pretty big contract i believe. k mart would bring inside toughness, rebounding, and more shotblocking to the team. id rather make a move for k mart, and i certainly wouldnt want q rich here.

[Gamebreaker]

QRich would be the best shooter on our team by far, I'm not worried about our defense because it's not as if Jeffries is some sort of defensive specialist. He's an average defender, and I think QRich could at least be that.

A better shooter at the 2 will allow Gil's drives to the hoop to be more productive since he can kick it out to someone, a starter, who can actually knock down the three pointer with consistence.