TRAITOR! Johnny Damon to the Yankees!

[Spaceman Spiff]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2266983

Yankees add Damon to potent lineup
Associated Press

NEW YORK -- The New York Yankees grabbed center fielder Johnny Damon away from the rival Boston Red Sox, reaching a preliminary agreement Tuesday night on a $52 million, four-year contract.

Details of the deal were still being negotiated and Damon must pass a physical, a baseball official said on condition of anonymity because negotiations were not yet final.

Moving from Fenway Park to Yankee Stadium will mean a change of style and scenery for the long-haired, bearded Damon -- New York owner George Steinbrenner has rules governing the length of hair and bans beards.

"Sad to say bye to some of the greatest fans in the world. Unfortunately they had to see this day, but it's time for me to move forward," Damon told WBZ television in Boston.

Damon fills a double void for the Yankees, giving them a speedy center fielder who can cover ground and a leadoff hitter to top a star-studded lineup that also includes Derek Jeter, Gary Sheffield, AL MVP Alex Rodriguez, Hideki Matsui and Jason Giambi.

Bernie Williams' defense declined significantly over the past four seasons. And while Damon's arm is not much better, he does cover a lot of ground, which is important in Yankee Stadium.

Agent Scott Boras had been seeking a seven-year contract for Damon. The offer Damon accepted was essentially the same as the deal Matsui agreed to with the Yankees last month.

New York, baseball's first team with a $200 million payroll last season, had a relatively quiet offseason until now. The Yankees, eliminated by the Los Angeles Angels in the first round of the AL playoffs, were overshadowed by the splashy Mets, who acquired slugging first baseman Carlos Delgado from the Florida Marlins and signed free-agent closer Billy Wagner to a $43 million, four-year contract.

Damon, who turned 32 last month, led Boston with a .316 batting average. He had 197 hits and scored 117 runs.

When reliever Mike Myers left the Red Sox to sign with the Yankees last week, he gushed about the prospect of having Damon in New York's lineup.

"I would put the over/under on Damon scoring 125, and I'd take the over any day of the week," Myers said. "I think the fans would absolutely love him there, just his hustle and his passion for the game, the way he goes about his business. I think he'd fit in great in the clubhouse, even though I don't know what the clubhouse is."

[Painkiller]

WOW. Who would have believed this one. I hope he knows he going to catch hell in Boston when they play the Sox next year. Can hardly blame the guy, 52 mil?! :doh:

Sold his soul to the Devil.

[Destino]

lol damn that's crazy! :laugh:

[jrockster21]

He can rot in New York with Mussina for all I care...bastages!

[playoffsplz]

You know I really was hoping that the sporting gods would give me one nice week after the skins beat the girls buttttt nooooooooo. I am frickin stunned right now....im gonna boo the hell out of that man

[PleaseBlitz]

Wow, can anyone right now imagine that caveman looking bastard as a Yankee? No facial hair, no jacked-up batting helmet. I really cant picture it and im trying.

[In Flames]

damon's a tool

[Spaceman Spiff]

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[Invictus56]

This is the exact same story as the last couple years Yankees with an unstoppable line up No point to even play the season because they are going to be so awesome Then they don't win the world series How much was it they lost in revenue last year 75 million? Yankee fans don’t make sense to me How do you root for a bunch of mercenaries every year? MLB is so screwy

[cfujskins]

The Yanks Finally got that CF and leadoff man they've been after. This is a HUGE blow to the Sox's fan base. The Yanks got better (KILLER line up) while the Sox got worse. Who is gonna replace him? That's what happend when your FO plays hardball. This is like the equivalent of LaVar Arrington signing with the Cowboys. Think about that, does that make you sick?

[visionary]

This is like the equivalent of LaVar Arrington signing with the Cowboys. Think about that, does that make you sick?

Hmmm, maybe then he would knock out Jerrry Jones, or Parcells...

:cool:

[sith lord]

Seriously, if they win the title next year, who cares? Outside of Robinson Cano, their entire projected starting lineup is gonna be making atleast $10 million a year.

Do they have to win that bad?

[iheartskins]

Lame Johnny Damon. You're just lame.

[Spaceman Spiff]

This is like the equivalent of LaVar Arrington signing with the Cowboys. Think about that, does that make you sick?

Maybe if they had LaVar, we would have only won 28-7 or maybe 24-7? ;)

[Buford]

the Yankees still don't get it.

You keep adding stars without even more blue collar guys, its just not going to mess. They were going after Nomar also?

I know Damon was a blue collar guy in Boston. But, this environment is different.

I'm an NL guy, so this doesn't matter to me.....BUT I still think this is what's exactly wrong with Baseball.

[portisizzle]

WOW. Who would have believed this one.
I hope he knows he going to catch hell in Boston when they play the Sox next year. Can hardly blame the guy, 52 mil?! :doh:

Sold his soul to the Devil.

Man does THAT sound familiar..........




**** Mike Mussina!!!!!

[jbooma]

Having no GM in Boston is hurting them. When Randy pitches or Pavano then the Yankees will have a $10 million dollar player at each position execpt 2nd base, that is just messed up. There needs to be a cap or something.

[halter91]

I can hear the chant now, DAMON SUCKS! DAMON SUCKS!!

[rincewind]

Having no GM in Boston is hurting them. When Randy pitches or Pavano then the Yankees will have a $10 million dollar player at each position execpt 2nd base, that is just messed up. There needs to be a cap or something.


Give Cano a year or two and we'll offer him $10 million also. Welcome to the Empire Johnny!

[sith lord]

Give Cano a year or two and we'll offer him $10 million also. Welcome to the Empire Johnny!

Since you're a Yankee fan, let me ask you this: If the Yankees win the World Series next year, how can you really cherish it, considering your payroll is probably $50 million more than the next team? You will only be known as the best team money can buy.

[ChocolateCitySkin]

the Yankees still don't get it.

You keep adding stars without even more blue collar guys, its just not going to mess. They were going after Nomar also?

I know Damon was a blue collar guy in Boston. But, this environment is different.

I'm an NL guy, so this doesn't matter to me.....BUT I still think this is what's exactly wrong with Baseball.

I don't presume to know anything about baseball. But, I thought this was the kind of sport that you could buy a championship. There is so much emphasis on the individual and the elite are just so much better than anyone else that this blue collar stuff doesn't mean a thing.

Anyways, if I had to choose between 40 million and 52 million I would do the same thing. For all intensive purposes it looks like the redsox FO could have handled this situation a helluva alot better.

[jbooma]

Since you're a Yankee fan, let me ask you this: If the Yankees win the World Series next year, how can you really cherish it, considering your payroll is probably $50 million more than the next team? You will only be known as the best team money can buy.

i would say 75 to 100 million

[rincewind]

Since you're a Yankee fan, let me ask you this: If the Yankees win the World Series next year, how can you really cherish it, considering your payroll is probably $50 million more than the next team? You will only be known as the best team money can buy.



Win at all costs. (pun intended)

[rincewind]

i would say 75 to 100 million


I believe it was upwards of 150+ (maybe even 175), but i could be wrong. And i believe the Red Sox were well over 100 also. I find it funny that everybody blames the Yankees (though they break NO rules) but have no problems with the Red Sox, who are WELL above the payroll of the third highest payed team.

[sith lord]

i would say 75 to 100 million

You're probably right, I was just being generous.

[ChocolateCitySkin]

Whatever, if there was no salary cap and it was the redskins ya'll would be as happy as a pig in ****.

[Heidenreich]

I don't like this move.

Don't get me wrong, from a baseball standpoint, it's a great move. The Yankee lineup is loaded.

Damon, Jeter, Sheffield, AROD, Matsui, Giambi, Posada, Bernie?, Cano

Damon's going to score 150 runs on the top of that lineup. (He'll only score 4 in the playoffs, Rodriguez will leave him on base the other 17 times).

But, the Yankees AGAIN throw way more money at a player past the age of 30. They'll never learn. Of course, it's a better idea than playing Bubba Crosby in CF, but i liked the Octavio Dotel pickup more when i heard it yesterday.

As a Yankee fan, i want to see the Yanks win the world series, just so I won't have to see any more HAPPY ARBOR DAY MIKE MUSSINA threads from Psizzle......

[jbooma]

I believe it was upwards of 150+ (maybe even 175), but i could be wrong. And i believe the Red Sox were well over 100 also. I find it funny that everybody blames the Yankees (though they break NO rules) but have no problems with the Red Sox, who are WELL above the payroll of the third highest payed team.

The yanks payroll last year was $220 this year could be $250

[rincewind]

Damon's going to score 150 runs on the top of that lineup. (He'll only score 4 in the playoffs, Rodriguez will leave him on base the other 17 times).



:doh: - actually Matsui will probably get credit for a few of those.

[Waldo da Magnificent]

Since you're a Yankee fan, let me ask you this: If the Yankees win the World Series next year, how can you really cherish it, considering your payroll is probably $50 million more than the next team? You will only be known as the best team money can buy.


Make that the best championship team that money can buy . . .

[rincewind]

The yanks payroll last year was $220 this year could be $250


I thought it might have been over 200, but when other people were only saying 75-100, i thought maybe i got some misinformation. But again, the ever so lovable Sox were second by a wide margin, and yet get a free pass because everybody still feels sorry for them.

[sith lord]

Whatever, if there was no salary cap and it was the redskins ya'll would be as happy as a pig in ****.

I wouldn't. That's why I'm glad there's a salery cap in the NFL. I know if there wasn't, the Skins and Cowboys would be football's version of the Yankees and the Redsox. Teams like the Bills, Packers, Saints, would be football's version of the Royals, Devil Rays, and Brewers. They would "NEVER" have a chance to win.

[jbooma]

I thought it might have been over 200, but when other people were only saying 75-100, i thought maybe i got some misinformation. But again, the ever so lovable Sox were second by a wide margin, and yet get a free pass because everybody still feels sorry for them.

The 75 to 100 was the difference between the yankees and the sox

[rincewind]

I wouldn't. That's why I'm glad there's a salery cap in the NFL. I know if there wasn't, the Skins and Cowboys would be football's version of the Yankees and the Redsox. Teams like the Bills, Packers, Saints, would be football's version of the Royals, Devil Rays, and Brewers. They would "NEVER" have a chance to win.



:cry: :cry: - the simple fact of the matter is that the Yankees have broken NO rules, and until they do, they will continue to spend. Should there be a cap - yes. Is there a salary cap - no. Get over it.

[jbooma]

:cry: :cry: - the simple fact of the matter is that the Yankees have broken NO rules, and until they do, they will continue to spend. Should there be a cap - yes. Is there a salary cap - no. Get over it.

So if they continue to lose does it make it harder for yankee fans :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[sith lord]

:cry: :cry: - the simple fact of the matter is that the Yankees have broken NO rules, and until they do, they will continue to spend. Should there be a cap - yes. Is there a salary cap - no. Get over it.

I never said what the Yankees are doing is wrong, I'm just saying, when/if they win a championship, no one should care. When you spend that much more than everybody else, you should win.

[rincewind]

So if they continue to lose does it make it harder for yankee fans :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


yep - especially since then we have to hear about how much we spent and then still didn't win.

[rincewind]

2005 MLB Team Payrolls

Based Upon 2005 Season as of April 7, 2005

Rank Team Total Payroll
1 New York Yankees $208,306,817
2 Boston Red Sox $123,505,125
3 New York Mets $101,305,821
4 Los Angeles Angels $97,725,322
5 Philadelphia Phillies $95,522,000
6 St. Louis Cardinals $92,106,833
7 San Francisco Giants $90,199,500
8 Seattle Mariners $87,754,334
9 Chicago Cubs $87,032,933
10 Atlanta Braves $86,457,302
11 Los Angeles Dodgers $83,039,000
12 Houston Astros $76,779,000
13 Chicago White Sox $75,178,000
14 Baltimore Orioles $73,914,333
15 Detroit Tigers $69,092,000
16 San Diego Padres $63,290,833
17 Arizona Diamondbacks $62,329,166
18 Cincinnati Reds $61,892,583
19 Florida Marlins $60,408,834
20 Minnesota Twins $56,186,000
21 Texas Rangers $55,849,000
22 Oakland Athletics $55,425,762
23 Washington Nationals $48,581,500
24 Colorado Rockies $48,155,000
25 Toronto Blue Jays $45,719,500
26 Cleveland Indians $41,502,500
27 Milwaukee Brewers $39,934,833
28 Pittsburgh Pirates $38,133,000
29 Kansas City Royals $36,881,000
30 Tampa Bay Devil Rays $29,363,067



Still don't hear anybody complaining about the Mets or Sox

[sith lord]

2005 MLB Team Payrolls

Based Upon 2005 Season as of April 7, 2005

Rank Team Total Payroll
1 New York Yankees $208,306,817
2 Boston Red Sox $123,505,125
3 New York Mets $101,305,821
4 Los Angeles Angels $97,725,322
5 Philadelphia Phillies $95,522,000
6 St. Louis Cardinals $92,106,833
7 San Francisco Giants $90,199,500
8 Seattle Mariners $87,754,334
9 Chicago Cubs $87,032,933
10 Atlanta Braves $86,457,302
11 Los Angeles Dodgers $83,039,000
12 Houston Astros $76,779,000
13 Chicago White Sox $75,178,000
14 Baltimore Orioles $73,914,333
15 Detroit Tigers $69,092,000
16 San Diego Padres $63,290,833
17 Arizona Diamondbacks $62,329,166
18 Cincinnati Reds $61,892,583
19 Florida Marlins $60,408,834
20 Minnesota Twins $56,186,000
21 Texas Rangers $55,849,000
22 Oakland Athletics $55,425,762
23 Washington Nationals $48,581,500
24 Colorado Rockies $48,155,000
25 Toronto Blue Jays $45,719,500
26 Cleveland Indians $41,502,500
27 Milwaukee Brewers $39,934,833
28 Pittsburgh Pirates $38,133,000
29 Kansas City Royals $36,881,000
30 Tampa Bay Devil Rays $29,363,067



Still don't hear anybody complaining about the Mets or Sox

That's because the Yankee's payroll is $85 million more than the Sox and $107 million more than the Mets and the Yanks have one player that makes almost as much as the Devil Ray's entire team.

[Renegade7]

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Money is da root of all evil, but I'm not complaining. :laugh:

[rincewind]

That's because the Yankee's payroll is $85 million more than the Sox and $107 million more than the Mets and the Yanks have one player that makes almost as much as the Devil Ray's entire team.


Yeah, and the Red Sox payroll differs from the Mets by almost the same amount as the entire Devil Rays payroll. My point is that yes, the Yankees are evil, but i'm tired of people acting like they are the only evil organization; and that somehow the poor Red Sox are some hapless victim.


If we're Palpatine, they are Darth Vader.

[jbooma]

Yeah, and the Red Sox payroll differs from the Mets by almost the same amount as the entire Devil Rays payroll. My point is that yes, the Yankees are evil, but i'm tired of people acting like they are the only evil organization; and that somehow the poor Red Sox are some hapless victim.


If we're Palpatine, they are Darth Vader.

This to me looks like another Brady Anderson deal, Damon is great, but has no arm, and has had some injuries and is breaking down. 5 years is a long time. Yankee fans are going to get mad real quick when he can not throw anyone out :silly:

[sith lord]

This to me looks like another Brady Anderson deal, Damon is great, but has no arm, and has had some injuries and is breaking down. 5 years is a long time. Yankee fans are going to get mad real quick when he can not throw anyone out :silly:

You're right Jbooma, But the Yankee fans won't be mad for long. If he doesn't work out or if he gets hurt, they'll just go out and get Tori Hunter. That's where they have an unfair advantage. They're the only team that can make a $10 million mistake.

[Heidenreich]

You're right Jbooma, But the Yankee fans won't be mad for long. If he doesn't work out or if he gets hurt, they'll just go out and get Tori Hunter. That's where they have an unfair advantage. They're the only team that can make a $10 million mistake.

That's an interesting point.

I seem to believe, a couple of weeks ago, that the Boston Red Sox, after making a $10 million mistake on Edgar Renteria, traded him to Atlanta, and picked up half of the remaining salary.

But that doesn't help your theory right here, does it.......

[jbooma]

You're right Jbooma, But the Yankee fans won't be mad for long. If he doesn't work out or if he gets hurt, they'll just go out and get Tori Hunter. That's where they have an unfair advantage. They're the only team that can make a $10 million mistake.

Actually the sox are about to get Hunter :)

[rincewind]

That's an interesting point.

I seem to believe, a couple of weeks ago, that the Boston Red Sox, after making a $10 million mistake on Edgar Renteria, traded him to Atlanta, and picked up half of the remaining salary.

But that doesn't help your theory right here, does it.......


Exactly! See, we're not the only one who can do it. Just the one that does it most often. :D

[Spaceman Spiff]

I wouldn't. That's why I'm glad there's a salery cap in the NFL. I know if there wasn't, the Skins and Cowboys would be football's version of the Yankees and the Redsox. Teams like the Bills, Packers, Saints, would be football's version of the Royals, Devil Rays, and Brewers. They would "NEVER" have a chance to win.

Who gives a **** about the Bills, Packers and Saints? ;)

Seriously though, all teams have ups and downs in football and baseball. the salary cap just makes it happen quicker.

I really don't like the cap because it doesn't promote players sticking around with one team for an entire career, ala Darrell Green, Howie Long, Walter Payton, etc. Obviously baseball has its share of people leaving teams for free agency as well, but I think the chances of a player staying with one team for an entire career is much more likely in MLB instead of NFL. I'd like to see LaVar, Taylor, Portis, Moss, Springs and others finish out their careers here, but with the salary cap chances are it won't happen.


I don't presume to know anything about baseball. But, I thought this was the kind of sport that you could buy a championship. There is so much emphasis on the individual and the elite are just so much better than anyone else that this blue collar stuff doesn't mean a thing.

Baseball relies a lot on chemistry. It's what separates the current Yankees from the late 90's yankees. Simply put, those great teams were a bunch of gritty determined ballplayers who had great chemistry. Pretty much all the latest world series winners were that way, even the Red Sox and their high payroll. These Yankees are just an all star team, there's no chemistry here. Steinbrenner doesn't get it. This team resembles the mid 80's yankees.



Anyway, Damon is a good pickup for their lineup. He can cover good ground in CF, but thats about it. The dude throws like a girl. He's an old 32 and by the time this contract runs out he'll be half the player he is now.

Typical Yankees, a good move for the here and now, but not that great for the future, imo.

[sith lord]

That's an interesting point.

I seem to believe, a couple of weeks ago, that the Boston Red Sox, after making a $10 million mistake on Edgar Renteria, traded him to Atlanta, and picked up half of the remaining salary.

But that doesn't help your theory right here, does it.......

Maybe the Sox and the Mets are the only teams outside the Yanks that can make them kind of mistakes, but you're stretching when comparing the Yanks financially to anybody else. The Yanks are on a totally different level and you know it.

[sith lord]

Who gives a **** about the Bills, Packers and Saints? ;)

Seriously though, all teams have ups and downs in football and baseball. the salary cap just makes it happen quicker.

I really don't like the cap because it doesn't promote players sticking around with one team for an entire career, ala Darrell Green, Howie Long, Walter Payton, etc. Obviously baseball has its share of people leaving teams for free agency as well, but I think the chances of a player staying with one team for an entire career is much more likely in MLB instead of NFL. I'd like to see LaVar, Taylor, Portis, Moss, Springs and others finish out their careers here, but with the salary cap chances are it won't happen.

You're talking from a Skins fan stand point. I'm talking from a fan of the NFL stand point. That's why the NFL is so popular, because "EVERY" team has a chance to succeed. If you were the owner of the Royals or Devil Rays, how do you convince your fans to buy season tickets? What do you tell them? "This is the year". Until they get a salary cap in baseball, the Royals, Pirates, Devil Rays, Brewers, and a few others will never win.

[rincewind]

You're talking from a Skins fan stand point. I'm talking from a fan of the NFL stand point. That's why the NFL is so popular, because "EVERY" team has a chance to succeed. If you were the owner of the Royals or Devil Rays, how do you convince your fans to buy season tickets? What do you tell them? "This is the year". Until they get a salary cap in baseball, the Royals, Pirates, Devil Rays, Brewers, and a few others will never win.


Actually, i believe the Royals owner is one of the richest owners in sports. He just chooses not to spend it on his baseball team. I could be wrong, but i believe i heard this on a sports station last year. i'll have to do some research.

[sith lord]

Actually, i believe the Royals owner is one of the richest owners in sports. He just chooses not to spend it on his baseball team. I could be wrong, but i believe i heard this on a sports station last year. i'll have to do some research.

All of these guys are super rich, but not all of them have TV deals like the Yanks. Sure, they all could spend out of their own pocket, but you know as well as I do, that no owner is gonna do that.

[rincewind]

All of these guys are super rich, but not all of them have TV deals like the Yanks. Sure, they all could spend out of their own pocket, but you know as well as I do, that no owner is gonna do that.


You're probably right, but it doesn't make sense - sometimes you have to spend money to make money. If you throw a few bucks around and win, you will sell more tix, and shwag and therefore make more money. Guess i'm just not an economist.

[jaydean]

as a die-hard minnesota twins fan.....i have one thing to say.....

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER IN A LONG STRING OF REASON TO HATE THE NEW YORK YANKEES!!!!!

[rincewind]

as a die-hard minnesota twins fan.....i have one thing to say.....

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER IN A LONG STRING OF REASON TO HATE THE NEW YORK YANKEES!!!!!


Wow, don't think i've ever heard the term 'die-hard minnesota twins fan' before. i salute you :cheers:

[Chief skin]

MONEY AND LOTS OF IT!!! can you honestly blame him??

[Spaceman Spiff]

You're talking from a Skins fan stand point. I'm talking from a fan of the NFL stand point. That's why the NFL is so popular, because "EVERY" team has a chance to succeed. If you were the owner of the Royals or Devil Rays, how do you convince your fans to buy season tickets? What do you tell them? "This is the year". Until they get a salary cap in baseball, the Royals, Pirates, Devil Rays, Brewers, and a few others will never win.

Please.

First of all, the NFL is so popular because of the game itself. It's not like the NFL became ultra popular when they introduced the salary cap. "Oh my God, did you hear what the NFL did? They introduced a SALARY CAP! YEAH! It's gonna be great! Wow, I can't wait to get my tickets this year!"

How would you promote to Bengals fans that "this is the year" prior to this year? the whole parity thing is crap. A lot of good its done the Texans! How bout the Seahawks who sucked for a decade prior to the recent years? What about the Lions, they've sucked too, for awhile. Have you forgotten about the decade long drought the Redskins have been in, save 1999?

The Royals, Brewers and Pirates were all good teams in the 80's and/or early 90's. They had their chances and they'll be good again in time.

Tampa Bay just blows. There's no help for that team. :laugh:

[rincewind]

You're talking from a Skins fan stand point. I'm talking from a fan of the NFL stand point. That's why the NFL is so popular, because "EVERY" team has a chance to succeed. If you were the owner of the Royals or Devil Rays, how do you convince your fans to buy season tickets? What do you tell them? "This is the year". Until they get a salary cap in baseball, the Royals, Pirates, Devil Rays, Brewers, and a few others will never win.


How do you explain teams like the Indians, Twins, and Marlins - teams with small banks rolls yet are consistantly competitive?

[sith lord]

Please.

First of all, the NFL is so popular because of the game itself. It's not like the NFL became ultra popular when they introduced the salary cap. "Oh my God, did you hear what the NFL did? They introduced a SALARY CAP! YEAH! It's gonna be great! Wow, I can't wait to get my tickets this year!"

How would you promote to Bengals fans that "this is the year" prior to this year? the whole parity thing is crap. A lot of good its done the Texans! How bout the Seahawks who sucked for a decade prior to the recent years? What about the Lions, they've sucked too, for awhile. Have you forgotten about the decade long drought the Redskins have been in, save 1999?

The Royals, Brewers and Pirates were all good teams in the 80's and/or early 90's. They had their chances and they'll be good again in time.

Tampa Bay just blows. There's no help for that team. :laugh:

I don't believe you believe that yourself. Are you trying to convince yourself that a salary cap in the NFL isn't good. I remember back in the 80's when the Bills couldn't compete and there were no one at their games. And if it wasn't for the salary cap, that's the way it would be now.

The fact of the matter is that there is always gonna be teams that don't know what their doing (Texans, Redskins until now, Lions, Cards, Orioles), but for most part, parity has been good. Trust me, if there wasn't a salary cap in football, it would be just as bad as baseball where only 10 teams "realistically" have a chance at a title.

And as for your comment about the Royals, Brewers, and Pirates? :laugh:

But seriously, even if those teams get better, you know as well as I do, that their most talented players are gonna wind up in NY, Bos, Ana, St L, LA, Chi, or even ATL.

[sith lord]

How do you explain teams like the Indians, Twins, and Marlins - teams with small banks rolls yet are consistantly competitive?

The Indians, Twins, or Marlins didn't make the playoffs this past year. Do you think any of these teams "realistically" have a shot at a title next year? I don't. And you know as soon as all the good players on these teams contract comes up, you know their going to either the Yanks, Sox, Angels, Cards, W Sox, Mets, or even Braves.

[rincewind]

The Indians, Twins, or Marlins didn't make the playoffs this past year. Do you think any of these teams "realistically" have a shot at a title next year? I don't. And you know as soon as all the good players on these teams contract comes up, you know their going to either the Yanks, Sox, Angels, Cards, W Sox, Mets, or even Braves.


Here is the flaw though - the Angels, Cards, W. Sox, and Mets (especially the Mets) have all been below average for quite awhile (the Cards have been good for the longest out of all of them). Only the Yanks, Sox, and Braves always make the playoffs. The point is, just because you spend doesn't mean you win - it just means more people will b**** and complain about you and make even more fun of you when you lose.


And yes, i do believe those teams have a realistic shot next year. Why? Because NOBODY thought the Chi Sox had a "realistic" chance before this past year.

[CEJ2200]

Damon is a traitor. I hope he turns out to be Sampson - how 'bout that hair cut buddy.

HUGE loss for the Sons of Sam Horn. What gives?

[Die Hard]

I could've sworn a couple of weeks ago saying the Yankees lost $50 Million last year.

Anyone else verify that?

[Drockvb]

Darn! I was hoping Damon could patrol right field in wrigley. But no sir. To the Yanks. That Yankee lineup is looking fierce. Could you imagine if Damon became a cub? He could keep all that hair. The away jersey's have the bear on them. Can you say Grizley Adams? Man that would have been a perfect fit.

[portisizzle]

HEY!!! You stupid Yankee bitches!!! :laugh:

How soon you forget the fact that your team choked in historic fashion against the Red Sox.

PLUS!!

Slinging a vertible all star team on the field has gotten you JACK.

And you think Johnny Damon is the cure all????

You still have sh!tstain for a pitching staff. So you lose 11-8 every night. I predict Steinbrenner is going to have a cow by midseason.


**edit** Oh wait he IS a cow. Sorry.

[rincewind]

HEY!!! You stupid Yankee bitches!!! :laugh:

How soon you forget the fact that your team choked in historic fashion against the Red Sox.

PLUS!!

Slinging a vertible all star team on the field has gotten you JACK.

And you think Johnny Damon is the cure all????

You still have sh!tstain for a pitching staff. So you lose 11-8 every night. I predict Steinbrenner is going to have a cow by midseason.


**edit** Oh wait he IS a cow. Sorry.

Very intelligent post there.

Nobody denied choking to the Sox.

By the way: how'd Sammy Sosa work out for you? :laugh:

[TheSteve]

Very intelligent post there.

Nobody denied choking to the Sox.

By the way: how'd Sammy Sosa work out for you? :laugh:

Just as no one is denying Baltimore's continued competitive ineptitude in the AL East.

[portisizzle]

Very intelligent post there.

Nobody denied choking to the Sox.

By the way: how'd Sammy Sosa work out for you? :laugh:

I don't know. I am wondering how Soriano is going to do for my Washington Nationals. :)

[rincewind]

I don't know. I am wondering how Soriano is going to do for my Washington Nationals. :)


I'd say K'ing about 175 times. Anyway, i just figured with your well known hatred for the Yanks you were a O's fan. Who did you like before last year?

[portisizzle]

I'd say K'ing about 175 times. Anyway, i just figured with your well known hatred for the Yanks you were a O's fan. Who did you like before last year?


I have not followed baseball as a fan of the Orioles since the drug thing first came up. I have truly soured to baseball and all the cheating that has gone on. I have also not "paid" to see the Orioles play since Albert Belle was playing with the Orioles.

I do not have a hatred for the Yankees, it is more of a loathing of one Mike "Money Grab Bag" Mussina. Big difference. The reason I root against the Yankees has more to do with this than the fact that they win championships. You HAVE to respect that.

However, the Yankees are in 80's mode right now. I see the bottom falling out of this team for a long while.

[rincewind]

I have not followed baseball as a fan of the Orioles since the drug thing first came up. I have truly soured to baseball and all the cheating that has gone on. I have also not "paid" to see the Orioles play since Albert Belle was playing with the Orioles.

I do not have a hatred for the Yankees, it is more of a loathing of one Mike "Money Grab Bag" Mussina. Big difference. The reason I root against the Yankees has more to do with this than the fact that they win championships. You HAVE to respect that.

However, the Yankees are in 80's mode right now. I see the bottom falling out of this team for a long while.


No disrespect meant. Don't really care for Moose myself. as for the 80's thing - that is why i'm a Yanks fan - Don Mattingly was, is, and always will be my favorite professional athlete.

[Die Hard]

I'm not sure why fans of opposing teams can be so mad at the Yankees for giving their former star players an opportunity of winning a World Championship (ie. Boggs, Clemens, etc) they wouldn't have

Geez, I wonder if Brewer fans are pissed at Molitor for winning one with the Jays. Or Padre fans at Joe Carter for winning one with the Jays.

I don't think Yankee fans are pissed at Dave Winfield for winning one with the Jays.

[portisizzle]

I'm not sure why fans of opposing teams can be so mad at the Yankees for giving their former star players an opportunity of winning a World Championship

Because we are/ were fans of opposing teams and because we can. Plus it is fun watching our Superstars go for the grab bag and come up short.

[Westbrook36]

Skins fans lecturing on the destructive habits of Yankee spending. This thread has been funny. :laugh:

[RedskinsDave]

Damon is making the same as Rafael Furcal. Did anyone bother to whine about the Dodgers? Didn't think so.

[rincewind]

Skins fans lecturing on the destructive habits of Yankee spending. This thread has been funny. :laugh:


At least we don't wear green. :laugh:


God, those Ducks uniforms are f'ugly.

[Rocky21]

Portisizzle's hatred of Mike Mussina is off the scale.

[aejm1400]

Because we are/ were fans of opposing teams and because we can. Plus it is fun watching our Superstars go for the grab bag and come up short.

You and me both. I'm glad to see Mussina not get a Championship yet.

[aejm1400]

Damon is making the same as Rafael Furcal. Did anyone bother to whine about the Dodgers? Didn't think so.

The Dodgers don't have a 1 billion dollar budget.

[aejm1400]

I'm not sure why fans of opposing teams can be so mad at the Yankees for giving their former star players an opportunity of winning a World Championship (ie. Boggs, Clemens, etc) they wouldn't have

Geez, I wonder if Brewer fans are pissed at Molitor for winning one with the Jays. Or Padre fans at Joe Carter for winning one with the Jays.

I don't think Yankee fans are pissed at Dave Winfield for winning one with the Jays.

That is the same as a Redskin becoming a Cowboy. We hate the franchise for plenty or reasons, but in the end we don't like the player anymore because it shows they just weren't really an Oriole.

And if you are going to get 52 million from one team, I'm sure you would have gotten plenty of money from your team(if they have it, and the Red Sox do) or at least a team not considered you #1 rival. The Sox offered $40 mil, and were ready to up the offer until they found out he was a Yankee,

Maybe it's me, but if a former O would sign with any other East team(including Red Sox), I wouldn't have a problem with it like I do with the Yankees getting a guy. Wouldn't like it though. Well, unless Sosa went there.

[PleaseBlitz]

This just isnt right:


http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5193514_36_3.jpg

[Spaceman Spiff]

I don't believe you believe that yourself. Are you trying to convince yourself that a salary cap in the NFL isn't good. I remember back in the 80's when the Bills couldn't compete and there were no one at their games. And if it wasn't for the salary cap, that's the way it would be now.

The fact of the matter is that there is always gonna be teams that don't know what their doing (Texans, Redskins until now, Lions, Cards, Orioles), but for most part, parity has been good. Trust me, if there wasn't a salary cap in football, it would be just as bad as baseball where only 10 teams "realistically" have a chance at a title.

And as for your comment about the Royals, Brewers, and Pirates? :laugh:

But seriously, even if those teams get better, you know as well as I do, that their most talented players are gonna wind up in NY, Bos, Ana, St L, LA, Chi, or even ATL.

I'm a little late, but i'll play...

The bills aren't competing this year ;) And I do seem to remember them making a run at some superbowls (losing miserably) before the cap came into play.

I do remember the Brewers winning the Division in 81, the AL title in 82, winning 91 games in 87 and 92 games in 92.

The Royals were a perennial AL power in the late 70's and 80's winning the division in 76, 77, 78, 81, 84, the AL in 80 and the world series in 85. They were above .500 in 87-89 peaking at 92 wins in 89.

The Pirates won their division three times in the early 90's, losing to the braves each time.

The Orioles did really well for two or three years in the late 90's, making the playoffs.

The salary cap allows for teams to go from crappy one year to good and competitive within the next couple of years. Thats the same trend that happens in sports, although it just takes longer. The salary cap speeds it up.

[RedskinsDave]

I do not have a hatred for the Yankees, it is more of a loathing of one Mike "Money Grab Bag" Mussina. Big difference.

You apparently know nothing about the Mussina situation. He gave the O's every chance to sign him and Angeloser balked and wanted a SECOND home team discount.

[kevinklein]

When I first heard this I couldn't believe it. Unbelievable Johnny...unbelievable.