I want to THANK fans for being hostile at FedEx!

[sumodat]

With all the crying going on about Redskins fans behavior, I want to say it is nice to have an enviornment where opposing fans will think twice about showing their pride and wearing their teams colors!

I am not for pouring beer, or assaulting (physically) other fans, but I do think we should heckle the **** out of them for the whole game.

This has been the wine and cheese headquarters for too long. It is time the real fans took the stadium back.

So please, stop all the crying about classless fans and heckling and all that. This is sports/football/competition. It takes a certain amount of testosterone to appreciate it. If you lack that, then you just don't/won't understand.

So thank you to all the fans who heckled, booed, and just gave a hard time to Giants fans this week. I am not saying fought, or poured beer, etc...
I am saying verbally defended our stadium. I know I did!

FedEx is no longer a country club. If that is what YOU are used to, I need season tix. Hand em over!

[ross3909]

I agree, if you are taking up a seat...make some noise. Even if it is only claping.

[fmorris]

With all the crying going on about Redskins fans behavior, I want to say it is nice to have an enviornment where opposing fans will think twice about showing their pride and wearing their teams colors!

I am not for pouring beer, or assaulting (physically) other fans, but I do think we should heckle the **** out of them for the whole game.

This has been the wine and cheese headquarters for too long. It is time the real fans took the stadium back.

So please, stop all the crying about classless fans and heckling and all that. This is sports/football/competition. It takes a certain amount of testosterone to appreciate it. If you lack that, then you just don't/won't understand.

So thank you to all the fans who heckled, booed, and just gave a hard time to Giants fans this week. I am not saying fought, or poured beer, etc...
I am saying verbally defended our stadium. I know I did!

FedEx is no longer a country club. If that is what YOU are used to, I need season tix. Hand em over!


Ok then. You obviously feel strongly about this since you restarted a thread that a moderater closed.

So between this tripe and your previously posted tripe, I'll conclude that you want no one but Redskin fans at the games. Should opposing fans show up, they should be verbally assaulted for the duration of the game, at all cost. Stopping short of physical violence.

I typically find my self too engaged in the game, my family, and cheering the Redskins to concern myself with making someone else's life miserable.

But that's just me. Hope you feel better.

[PleaseBlitz]

Im with you bro.

This nonsense about people being told to sit down during the game and actually being kicked out is the biggest load of crap Ive ever heard. There is a reason we are 6-2 at home, and it aint the color of the paint in the endzones.

Anyone that posts the weekly thread about how bad their experience at the game was needs to change their own behavior, not ***** about everyone elses.

[sumodat]

Ok then. You obviously feel strongly about this since you restarted a thread that a moderater closed.

So between this tripe and your previously posted tripe, I'll conclude that you want no one but Redskin fans at the games. Should opposing fans show up, they should be verbally assaulted for the duration of the game, at all cost. Stopping short of physical violence.

I typically find my self too engaged in the game, my family, and cheering the Redskins to concern myself with making someone else's life miserable.

But that's just me. Hope you feel better.

I do! See the testosterone comment above. Some ..... will not get it.

Thanks for adding.

[fmorris]

So please, stop all the crying about classless fans and heckling and all that. This is sports/football/competition. It takes a certain amount of testosterone to appreciate it. If you lack that, then you just don't/won't understand.


Ok, what by definition (or at least yours) constitutes "heckling and all that?"
Are we talking about good natured smack talking?

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

I could agree with good natured heckling but what I witnessed after the Jets game in '03 I thought was a tad over the top. A guy with a Jets jersey was walking down the ramp from the nosebleeds and a guy was in his face literally about 3 inches from his face and pointing at his face about 2-3 inches away and dogging him yelling out loud. I'm sorry but if you get that close trashing me you'll get punched in the face and you deserve it. Heckling is one thing but getting in one's face is too far.

[fmorris]

I could agree with good natured heckling but what I witnessed after the Jets game in '03 I thought was a tad over the top. A guy with a Jets jersey was walking down the ramp from the nosebleeds and a guy was in his face literally about 3 inches from his face and pointing at his face about 2-3 inches away and dogging him yelling out loud. I'm sorry but if you get that close trashing me you'll get punched in the face and you deserve it. Heckling is one thing but getting in one's face is too far.

True enough. I'm all for violently and aggressivly cheering your team, but when that becomes misplaced aggression against a person merely trying to watch a ball-game, it's gone too far. I'm a huge Redskin smack-talker, especially when it comes to Pukes, Gints, and Iggles, but it's always about fun.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Very true. If I ever go to ST louis to see us play the Rams I could understand the banter back and forth but I should feel like I could take my kids to see a game without them wondering if they're going home alive or not.

It has nothing to do with testosterone. It has more to do with being an adult with restraint as opposed to being a childish freakin' idiot. Make noise, dog the opposing fans but don't curse them or get in their face and don't do it if they have kids.

[Fifty Gut]

as long as you watch your mouth if you're around children, I don't care what anyone does in the stands

the more **** talking, the more noise, the more over the top rowdyness the better

[TODD]

You're welcome. :)

[haroon]

makeing noise is great,being loud is encouraged and chanting taughts are welcome, but i will not be a part of pouring beer, spitting at fans stealing objects from old defensless other teams fans who are simply rooting for their team. I was ashamed of our fans on sat, xmas eve and all.

[sumodat]

Ok, what by definition (or at least yours) constitutes "heckling and all that?"
Are we talking about good natured smack talking?

I explained it in my post. I think heckling and smack talking and emotional defense of your team is part of the experience when you go to a game.

For instance, there was a whole row of Giants fans sitting right next to me Saturday. I made sure they understood they were sitting in FedEx field; NOT the Meadowlands.

I didn't throw beer on them or cuss them out, but I am sure they went home wishing they could have done something else with that 4 hours.

My point is, there are people here starting threads about how we should be ashamed of ourselves and I think that is BS. These are the people who don't understand competition. We keep score for a reason. We cheer our team on for a reason. And we hate our rivals for a reason.

It is refreshing to me that FedEx is building a reputation. Not for classless acts like fighting and throwing beer, but for being loud and the hostile enviornment the fans have created.

Just look at all the threads started about carpooling to go to Philly. People are intimidated. I am not saying I want fans to fear coming here because they might get beat up or their car turned over, or anything like that (stuff that happens in Philly). But I do want them coming here with an understanding that it is not going to be an enjoyable experience to come to the biggest stadium in the league, FedEx, rooting for our opposition!

That is all I am trying to say.

So for that, I think all of the fans that delivered. I was there. I saw it. It was awesome! :applause:

[sumodat]

makeing noise is great,being loud is encouraged and chanting taughts are welcome, but i will not be a part of pouring beer, spitting at fans stealing objects from old defensless other teams fans who are simply rooting for their team. I was ashamed of our fans on sat, xmas eve and all.

Well don't worry. You don't have to come back until next year when your Giants come back here. And you will be heckled again.

I didn't hear of any of the things you talk about going on. Just a lot of smack talk and the gints couldn't bear it!

:gaintsuck

[RavenzSuck]

Did anyone see any good fights? One dude in the upper lever sect. 402?? area got beat down. It went on for like 5 minutes before the dude was carried (hogtied)out. You just do not go into the opposing stadium and talk trash. You are looking for a fight. These jersey clowns will not forget their introduction to Fedex!

[haroon]

Well don't worry. You don't have to come back until next year when your Giants come back here. And you will be heckled again.

I didn't hear of any of the things you talk about going on. Just a lot of smack talk and the gints couldn't bear it!

:gaintsuck
wow yet another homer does not get the point, when you act like that you make us all look bad, funny i went to plenty of games last year and our fans were so much better, but now that we won a few the fairweather fans come out and act like we never won a game before. its a disgrace. :helmet:

[sumodat]

wow yet another homer does not get the point, when you act like that you make us all look bad, funny i went to plenty of games last year and our fans were so much better, but now that we won a few the fairweather fans come out and act like we never won a game before. its a disgrace. :helmet:

Well, you should not go if you are so embarressed. One less person sitting on their hands.

And I don't think it has anything to do with fairweather fans. We have the most loyal fans in the league. We have been bad for so long. Now that we are good, we have a lot to cheer for, and our fans know it and appreciate it.

How long are you going to pose as a 'skins fan? You have already been outed in another thread!

[haroon]

Well, you should not go if you are so embarressed. One less person sitting on their hands.

And I don't think it has anything to do with fairweather fans. We have the most loyal fans in the league. We have been bad for so long. Now that we are good, we have a lot to cheer for, and our fans know it and appreciate it.

How long are you going to pose as a 'skins fan? You have already been outed in another thread!
you guys are very immature thats why i never posted in a year, but after sats game i could not hold it in any longer. what was the reason many season ticket holders sold their tickets to other teams fans last year? we had 4 wins and its called fairweather. i did not sit on my hands i cheered loud and did my part as the 12th man, just because i choose to act with a little class i am outted as not being a skins fan, this only proves my point that the fans these days act like punks.

[CGSKINS]

I explained it in my post. I think heckling and smack talking and emotional defense of your team is part of the experience when you go to a game.

For instance, there was a whole row of Giants fans sitting right next to me Saturday. I made sure they understood they were sitting in FedEx field; NOT the Meadowlands.

I didn't throw beer on them or cuss them out, but I am sure they went home wishing they could have done something else with that 4 hours.

My point is, there are people here starting threads about how we should be ashamed of ourselves and I think that is BS. These are the people who don't understand competition. We keep score for a reason. We cheer our team on for a reason. And we hate our rivals for a reason.

It is refreshing to me that FedEx is building a reputation. Not for classless acts like fighting and throwing beer, but for being loud and the hostile enviornment the fans have created.

Just look at all the threads started about carpooling to go to Philly. People are intimidated. I am not saying I want fans to fear coming here because they might get beat up or their car turned over, or anything like that (stuff that happens in Philly). But I do want them coming here with an understanding that it is not going to be an enjoyable experience to come to the biggest stadium in the league, FedEx, rooting for our opposition!

That is all I am trying to say.

So for that, I think all of the fans that delivered. I was there. I saw it. It was awesome! :applause: I agree!

[sumodat]

you guys are very immature thats why i never posted in a year, but after sats game i could not hold it in any longer. what was the reason many season ticket holders sold their tickets to other teams fans last year? we had 4 wins and its called fairweather. i did not sit on my hands i cheered loud and did my part as the 12th man, just because i choose to act with a little class i am outted as not being a skins fan, this only proves my point that the fans these days act like punks.


You were not outed because you chose to act with class. You were outed because you are here trolling and someone found another post that proved it.

And I doubt anyone here missed your not posting in a year. :laugh:

:troll:

[haroon]

You were not outed because you chose to act with class. You were outed because you are here trolling and someone found another post that proved it.

And I doubt anyone here missed your not posting in a year. :laugh:

:troll:
grow up child, i only said i did not see the holding call,if it was on us you would have cried like a school girl im sure of it. i look at things as i see them not thru rose colored glasses. I am ashamed of the younger gen that chose to act drunk and classless, from what I saw on Sat, i found myself aplogizing to the other teams fans. I will love my skins but i dont have to like some of the meat heads in our stands.

[TheDirtbags]

As long as you are 3 feet away from the other guy (unless you r sittin next to them) and there are no threats involved i believe it is fine

[Fifty Gut]

Did anyone see any good fights? One dude in the upper lever sect. 402?? area got beat down. It went on for like 5 minutes before the dude was carried (hogtied)out. You just do not go into the opposing stadium and talk trash. You are looking for a fight. These jersey clowns will not forget their introduction to Fedex!

oh yeah, I was over in 413, I remember two within 20 minutes of each other

all you heard was "fight, fight, fight" being whispered amoung people, like a 1/4 of the stadium turned and watched :laugh:

it was great

[Park City Skins]

Haroon. Might want to check this out. http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134775

[Triple Threat]

Sumodat,

How exactly would you want to be treated when you go to an opposing team stadium wearing your Redskin jersey? Is it wrong to go watch and support your team when they are on the road?

[haroon]

Haroon. Might want to check this out. http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134775
same goes for other teams fans very classless, it does not make stealing an old mans hat and spitting on him right.

[Park City Skins]

Not saying it did, but glad you got the point.

[haroon]

Sumodat,

How exactly would you want to be treated when you go to an opposing team stadium wearing your Redskin jersey? Is it wrong to go watch and support your team when they are on the road?
very good point, many giant fans in my section were very respectful and nice, i chatted with some, the older man i was reffering to complimented our def and said Sean Taylor was a beast. as long as you are respectful i dont see what the harm is of them being there. to throw beer at them scream in their ears and steal their belongings is down right trashy. I would not want to be treated this way when i go to nj to watch the redskins, and man di we get spanked and nodoby rubbed it in my face at all.

[sumodat]

Sumodat,

How exactly would you want to be treated when you go to an opposing team stadium wearing your Redskin jersey? Is it wrong to go watch and support your team when they are on the road?

It is not about how I want to be treated, it is about how I WOULD be treated. And I know and understand that. If you go into another stadium with opposing gear, you are gonna get ribbed. That is just the way it goes.

I will stress again, I do not agree with the people who threw beer and physically assaulted people, but I think opposing fans should get ****** with while they are there.

[sumodat]

I would not want to be treated this way when i go to nj to watch the redskins, and man di we get spanked and nodoby rubbed it in my face at all.

That's because you were wearing a Giants jersey!!! :rolleyes:

[herrmag]

I'm as loud at the games as anyone in the crowd. I also do some trash talking, but it's generally good-natured. I remember at the San Fran game, there was a SF fan sitting about 8 seats away. I jawed at him a bit, nothing derogatory, and he said a few things back throughout the first half, but we were having fun.

Later on in the game, I yelled something about his team at him, and his girlfriend looked at me with tears in her eyes and told me to please leave him alone, he doesn't want any trouble. I was shocked because everytime he and I exchanged words, it was all smiles. I looked at him, and noticed he was covered in beer, had tears in his own eyes, and their was a group of fans about 4 rows behind him yelling tasteless crap at him and his girlfriend. I mouthed the words "I'm sorry" to her, and didn't say another thing to them. They left shortly after.

Maybe that's "cool" to some of you, but to me, that's just pathetic and tasteless.

[haroon]

I'm as loud at the games as anyone in the crowd. I also do some trash talking, but it's generally good-natured. I remember at the San Fran game, there was a SF fan sitting about 8 seats away. I jawed at him a bit, nothing derogatory, and he said a few things back throughout the first half, but we were having fun.

Later on in the game, I yelled something about his team at him, and his girlfriend looked at me with tears in her eyes and told me to please leave him alone, he doesn't want any trouble. I was shocked because everytime he and I exchanged words, it was all smiles. I looked at him, and noticed he was covered in beer, had tears in his own eyes, and their was a group of fans about 4 rows behind him yelling tasteless crap at him and his girlfriend. I mouthed the words "I'm sorry" to her, and didn't say another thing to them. They left shortly after.

Maybe that's "cool" to some of you, but to me, that's just pathetic and tasteless.
thank you for your post, this is simalar to what i saw in section 117 sat.I was embarrassed. you are good man.

[haroon]

That's because you were wearing a Giants jersey!!! :rolleyes:
wow, is it so hard to beilieve im a redskin fan with class who is not a total homer? you really need to get your butt whipped at another teams stadium to understand

[Prosperity]

You're welcome. :)
Lucky bastard, did Michaeleon pull through?

[sumodat]

wow, is it so hard to beilieve im a redskin fan with class who is not a total homer? you really need to get your butt whipped at another teams stadium to understand

I need to get my butt whipped at another stadium? Why go to another stadium, YOU are right here in Md, right? Why don't you do it?

Furthermore, there are 92,000 people at FedEx. Of course there are going to be some people behaving poorly. You guys keep pointing out a few incidents, yet I CONTINUE to stress that is not the behavior I condone.

I already know the mods will close this thread, but if you really want to make a difference or you really want me to get my butt whipped, PM me. We can talk about it in person if you would like. ;)

[TK]

One down. Anyone else want to join him?

[triple6mafia]

I agree with you and like this thread. We do need to make sure the fans do not want to come back and keep it a homefield advantage.

[Painkiller]

I heckle opposing team's fans with a passion. I love to do it, it's fun. I don't make any threats. I don't throw things at them. I don't steal their hats, and I don't mack on their women. I absolutely don't mess with their kids.

I just tease them the whole time. Good natured teasing, and if somebody gets to hot under the collar about it, then I'll usually ease up.

If it comes to blows, or somebody is ready to throw down...well then it's not fun anymore, and it's gone to far. I would expect no less if I went to watch the skins play in any other stadium. This is "heckling" to me. It's letting the other team's fans KNOW, unequivocally, that they are NOT in their home stadium, and to come into OUR house wearing Gints, Iggles, Poke or any other team's rags is to invite such teasing and smack talking. Fed Ex Field has lacked this kind of atmosphere since the day it was completed, until now. I welcome such an atmosphere, and I hope it continues. I hope the reputation continues to build so that fans of other teams, decide to go to their team's away games in other stadiums besides ours. That's why they call it the "HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE." We are finally starting to have such an advantage. A place where the fans can make a real difference in the outcome of the game.

Isn't that a great thing?

[HailYeah]

It is a great thing to have this kind of home field advantage. The team is playing up to potential finally and there is an electricity in the crowd like I've never seen before. However there were some ugly things happening on Saturday. My friend was attacked in the parking lot because he was wearing a Shockey jersey. It turned a great day in to a not-so-great day. I hate Giants fans more than anyone but I think a lot of people on this board can relate to having friends who are fans of other teams. Trash talking is fun, I'd even like to see more of it. But keep everything in perspective.

[Ignatius J.]

The point is to support your team. If you want to pick fights with people, you're an idiot.

[Painkiller]

It is a great thing to have this kind of home field advantage. The team is playing up to potential finally and there is an electricity in the crowd like I've never seen before. However there were some ugly things happening on Saturday. My friend was attacked in the parking lot because he was wearing a Shockey jersey. It turned a great day in to a not-so-great day. I hate Giants fans more than anyone but I think a lot of people on this board can relate to having friends who are fans of other teams. Trash talking is fun, I'd even like to see more of it. But keep everything in perspective.


One of my best friends is Poke fan, and I teased him mercilessly after the Skins blew them out, but it's good natured teasing. He does no less to me when we lose to them.

Let's not confuse heckling, and teasing with criminality. There is a difference. Some people take it too far, on both sides, but lets not let that detract from the good things that the new energetic crowd is bringing to the stadium. The standing, loud cheering, and rowdiness that is happening EVERYTIME the opposing teams offense takes the field is GREAT. You don't have to cuss, or throw things to create that kind of energy. We want that kind of energy. Our team needs us to be into the game like that. They feed off of us. All I know, is that at the end of the Giants game I saw an elated Coach Gibbs giving us the double thumb's up, and it made me proud. He knows the difference we are making. At the end of a Redskins football game, the 12th man should feel just as exhausted as if they played the game themselves. I love the fact that the everytime the Skins play at home now, the crowd is noticed. The noise, the energy. It's great. How can any Redskin fan NOT love the new enthusiastic atmosphere at the stadium? If you don't like the atmosphere, maybe you should be at home in front of your t.v. For me, the atmosphere is what LIVE NFL Football is all about. It's why you go to the game.

[HTTR84]

It finally feels good not to get heckled or harrassed in our own house. We spend too much of our hard eaned money for these tickets. It was bad enough when we were loosing at home but when you have drunk Eagle fan or a-hole Jersey fan taunting and heckling your family that is too much.Hopefully we will keep winning and these turds won't want to come here anymore. We need FedEX to become a miserable but safe place for opposing fans.

[Prosperity]

I'm as loud at the games as anyone in the crowd. I also do some trash talking, but it's generally good-natured. I remember at the San Fran game, there was a SF fan sitting about 8 seats away. I jawed at him a bit, nothing derogatory, and he said a few things back throughout the first half, but we were having fun.

Later on in the game, I yelled something about his team at him, and his girlfriend looked at me with tears in her eyes and told me to please leave him alone, he doesn't want any trouble. I was shocked because everytime he and I exchanged words, it was all smiles. I looked at him, and noticed he was covered in beer, had tears in his own eyes, and their was a group of fans about 4 rows behind him yelling tasteless crap at him and his girlfriend. I mouthed the words "I'm sorry" to her, and didn't say another thing to them. They left shortly after.

Maybe that's "cool" to some of you, but to me, that's just pathetic and tasteless.


uhh, man...

I hope we don't get the reputation that the Eagles fans have been getting. This type of crap isn't cool. Anyone that does that to someone else over a FOOTBALL GAME is a moron and a dangerous one.

What the hell is accomplished?

[KingGibbs]

Everyone knows that KingGibbs doesn't heckle fans inside the stadium. That's because if it's a 1:00 o'clock game I start heckling at 9:00 o'clock and I usually am hoarse by the time I get in the stadium. :D

When I see opposing fans I will get in their ear and let them know that this is OUR house (finally) and they come uninvited. If they are Dallas fans I ask them if they even know the capital of Texas or if they even step foot in Texas. Basically, it's good old fashioned ribbing and that's as far as I go. No need for violence. That's for punks.

:eaglesuck

[Park City Skins]

Everyone knows that KingGibbs doesn't heckle fans inside the stadium. That's because if it's a 1:00 o'clock game I start heckling at 9:00 o'clock and I usually am hoarse by the time I get in the stadium. :D

When I see opposing fans I will get in their ear and let them know that this is OUR house (finally) and they come uninvited. If they are Dallas fans I ask them if they even know the capital of Texas or if they even step foot in Texas. Basically, it's good old fashioned ribbing and that's as far as I go. No need for violence. That's for punks.

:eaglesuck
Yeah. Well.......... what he said^^^^. ;)



For the record books, I don't do any trash talking during the games. Maybe a little good fun if there is a fan of the oppossing team near me and we get to talking. Other than that I tend to let my cheering for the Redskins do all the...er...talking.

[OVCChairman]

no that's not right, this is just a game! yes it is nice to know that we have home field advantage, but a football game is just a big party and if you take it further then that, you are wasting your time and it's not worth it! Scream, Yell, Holler, Clap, do whatever verbally, but do not raise a fist or spit, i mean that's just juvenile! I have a lot of respect for the Redskins fans i know because they are humble and respectful!!

[WHALEN]

With all the crying going on about Redskins fans behavior, I want to say it is nice to have an enviornment where opposing fans will think twice about showing their pride and wearing their teams colors!

I am not for pouring beer, or assaulting (physically) other fans, but I do think we should heckle the **** out of them for the whole game.

This has been the wine and cheese headquarters for too long. It is time the real fans took the stadium back.

So please, stop all the crying about classless fans and heckling and all that. This is sports/football/competition. It takes a certain amount of testosterone to appreciate it. If you lack that, then you just don't/won't understand.

So thank you to all the fans who heckled, booed, and just gave a hard time to Giants fans this week. I am not saying fought, or poured beer, etc...
I am saying verbally defended our stadium. I know I did!

FedEx is no longer a country club. If that is what YOU are used to, I need season tix. Hand em over!
I'm not one for yelling and heckling someone because he roots for another team. But I do like to make as much noise as I can to help disrupt the opisitions offense, :eaglesuck thats where the 12th man comes in it dosen't help anyone to simply annoy another fan of the sport.

[Tarpon75]

While watching a game on TV they had the camera on the fans in the stands. I heard an announcer (not sure who) commenting on Redskins Fans at FedEx Field. He said "Redskins fans are a very knowledgeable, classy, and loyal fan base" (not verbatim) I think that overall we resemble that remark. Of course we have a lot of build up towards our rivals becaused it has been a while since we have played them and it meant so much. I was at both the Dallas and Philly games at Fed Ex this year. There was some taunting going on, but overall not too bad (except the beer bottle thrown at reggie brown). I mean its not like we are the Eagles who have a police station in the stadium. When you have a stadium that seats 92,000 people and atleast 95% of them are Skins fans, you know what you are getting yourself into when you go there wearing an iggles jersey. Keep it fun, dont hurt anybody, and defend FedEx!

[RedskinsRGr8]

I was at the game, best game I've been to in years!

[fmorris]

So then, most of us feel the same way. We enjoy jabbing and yabbing at the opposing team and thier fans, but we understand to keep it classy. It was my opinion that the thread starter was suggesting a bit more, and that's why I asked him to give his definition, which he did not.

In the end it's all about supporting the Redskins. I'm a self admitted homer, but I feel that the fans, as well as the team should take on the characteristics of its coach. What would Coach Gibbs do? How would you like your family to be treated if you were visiting the Link?

It's not about testosterone, it's about the Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It's just good manners, and it doesn't mean that we're weak. It means we're respectful. The coach has worked hard to build a team of character players; maybe we should be character fans. Just a thought.

[SkinsHokieFan]

We made a ton of noise and were standing up, and I was sitting the club level

I never make personal threats or heckle opposing fans personally but I will say something like "YOU GUYS WONT RUN ON US TODAY, DONT TRY IT"

Or "SHOCKEY WANTS NONE OF THAT"

Stuff like that which really is harmless but makes them realize it is our house

At the Ravens game last year I had a good back and forth with Ravens fans who knew it was our house and realized that its best not to talk trash about the Redskins. As long as you are not dissing our team or mocking Hail to the Redskins, you are cool because this is our house

[sumodat]

It was my opinion that the thread starter was suggesting a bit more, and that's why I asked him to give his definition, which he did not.


I actually DID define it for you....



I explained it in my post. I think heckling and smack talking and emotional defense of your team is part of the experience when you go to a game.

For instance, there was a whole row of Giants fans sitting right next to me Saturday. I made sure they understood they were sitting in FedEx field; NOT the Meadowlands.

I didn't throw beer on them or cuss them out, but I am sure they went home wishing they could have done something else with that 4 hours.

My point is, there are people here starting threads about how we should be ashamed of ourselves and I think that is BS. These are the people who don't understand competition. We keep score for a reason. We cheer our team on for a reason. And we hate our rivals for a reason.

It is refreshing to me that FedEx is building a reputation. Not for classless acts like fighting and throwing beer, but for being loud and the hostile enviornment the fans have created.

Just look at all the threads started about carpooling to go to Philly. People are intimidated. I am not saying I want fans to fear coming here because they might get beat up or their car turned over, or anything like that (stuff that happens in Philly). But I do want them coming here with an understanding that it is not going to be an enjoyable experience to come to the biggest stadium in the league, FedEx, rooting for our opposition!

That is all I am trying to say.

So for that, I think all of the fans that delivered. I was there. I saw it. It was awesome! :applause:

People are hearing what they want to hear. If you actually go through and read my posts, I think it is QUITE clear where I stand on the issue.

I think it should be a hostile enviornment, but NOT a violent one.

NO BEER THROWING/SPITTING
NO FIGHTING
NO CUSSING AT OTHERS
ETC...

Is that clear enough for you?

[allan1058]

I deal with the other teams fans that come to our stadium, I mess with them but im not violent towards them. I think it is dissrespectfull of them to show up at our home in another teams colors. I would never go to another teams stadium for a Redskins game but thats just me.

As I was standing in line to use the bathroom in the green lot this lady had on a Giants jacket and said it was good luck because everytime she wears it ta a home game they win. YEA I had to remind her that she wasn't at a home game.

[fmorris]

I actually DID define it for you....




People are hearing what they want to hear. If you actually go through and read my posts, I think it is QUITE clear where I stand on the issue.

I think it should be a hostile enviornment, but NOT a violent one.

NO BEER THROWING/SPITTING
NO FIGHTING
NO CUSSING AT OTHERS
ETC...

Is that clear enough for you?


We are hearing exactly what you are saying. Now you're starting to back track with the NO CUSSIN, but you made it clear to "heckle the **** out of them for the entire game." What you're saying is to verbally abuse the opposing fans for the duration of the game, and make it so they never want to come back.

Don't try to church it up since you've been called out. Your saying it's about testosterone, and if you don't have enough of it then you won't understand.
You're not a player. You're a fan. That's all you'll ever be.

You're trying to speak with generalized ideas, and have been carefull not to be too specific in what you phrase as, "heckling and all that." Fact is that as a ticket buyer I have every right to complain about "classless fans." And as much as it may bother us, opposing fans have just as much right to tickets to FED-EX as we do.

Is that clear enough for you?

[SkinsHokieFan]

Its pretty easy

Don't be an asshat. Have fun, make them feel like poo because thier team is going to lose, but maintain some personal dignity in it

I did something stupid the other day, I booed a lady and her daughter who was probably 11 while I was walking through the club level :doh:

Yeah its harmless, but it was fairly classless and unecessary and my friend has called me out on it in conversations with other friends this week

Just don't let yourself look like a jerk and don't ever be "that guy"

[sumodat]

We are hearing exactly what you are saying. Now you're starting to back track with the NO CUSSIN, but you made it clear to "heckle the **** out of them for the entire game." What you're saying is to verbally abuse the opposing fans for the duration of the game, and make it so they never want to come back.

Don't try to church it up since you've been called out. Your saying it's about testosterone, and if you don't have enough of it then you won't understand.
You're not a player. You're a fan. That's all you'll ever be.

You're trying to speak with generalized ideas, and have been carefull not to be too specific in what you phrase as, "heckling and all that." Fact is that as a ticket buyer I have every right to complain about "classless fans." And as much as it may bother us, opposing fans have just as much right to tickets to FED-EX as we do.

Is that clear enough for you?

Well, I never did back track. In my first post I said the same thing as I said all along.

And just because I say heckle the **** out of them, that does not mean I cuss AT THEM. It is a phrase!

You keep trying to prove a point, but you can't. I never said I was one of the violent fans. I just said I am an emotional fan who heckles and smack talks other fans.

You don't get it and I am not going to discuss it with you anymore. It is getting tiresome. I have made sure I am clear in what I am saying. You are trying hard to twist it, but you can't because I have been consistant throughout.

As for me trying not to be too specific on "heckling and all that." What else can I say? You want to know what I say, verbatem? I mean, I don't know what more you want. If you read my posts I think it would be clear.

The fact is, you said in a post almost exactly what I have been saying AFTER you saw the way the responses were going. It is actually you who changed his stance.

I have not been careful. I STARTED THE THREAD. Why then would I be careful? If I were worried about responses, I would have kept my opinion to myself.

The fact is, you took from my post what you wanted, but you clearly never fully comprehended any of it. You are taking issue with one small phrase ("and all that") and trying to turn it in to something, even though I have been clear to say what I do and do not do.

My thread was to thank the fans for making FedEx a hostile enviornment because some "other" people were busy criticizing us! If it isn't your kind of place, don't go. No one is forcing you to!

As far as being a fan, and not a player... :applause:

No ****! Where did this come from??

And you can complain all you want. But the people you are complaining about don't seem to be here. Yet you want to accuse me of more than what I have said. Nice try.

Talk about heckling.... :rolleyes:

[haroon]

Well, I never did back track. In my first post I said the same thing as I said all along.

And just because I say heckle the **** out of them, that does not mean I cuss AT THEM. It is a phrase!

You keep trying to prove a point, but you can't. I never said I was one of the violent fans. I just said I am an emotional fan who heckles and smack talks other fans.

You don't get it and I am not going to discuss it with you anymore. It is getting tiresome. I have made sure I am clear in what I am saying. You are trying hard to twist it, but you can't because I have been consistant throughout.

As for me trying not to be too specific on "heckling and all that." What else can I say? You want to know what I say, verbatem? I mean, I don't know what more you want. If you read my posts I think it would be clear.

The fact is, you said in a post almost exactly what I have been saying AFTER you saw the way the responses were going. It is actually you who changed his stance.

I have not been careful. I STARTED THE THREAD. Why then would I be careful? If I were worried about responses, I would have kept my opinion to myself.

The fact is, you took from my post what you wanted, but you clearly never fully comprehended any of it. You are taking issue with one small phrase ("and all that") and trying to turn it in to something, even though I have been clear to say what I do and do not do.

My thread was to thank the fans for making FedEx a hostile enviornment because some "other" people were busy criticizing us! If it isn't your kind of place, don't go. No one is forcing you to!

As far as being a fan, and not a player... :applause:

No ****! Where did this come from??

And you can complain all you want. But the people you are complaining about don't seem to be here. Yet you want to accuse me of more than what I have said. Nice try.

Talk about heckling.... :rolleyes:

you are back peddling so bad, You really think its ok to heckle the #### out of other team fans and be hostile toward them, now you are changeing it to no verbal abuse. Guys like you embarrass a long time skin fan like me. Keep it classy Washigton.

[TomE]

Geez, I just don't know.

Unfortunately, I don't get to come up to DC much any more, but I remember having a ball at RFK when attending several games over the years.

I used to grab my grub and brew, get in my seat, greet n' glad-hand my friends and fellow fans then focus on the game.

Holler my ass off for the team and try to disrupt the flow of the opponent.

And frankly, I paid little attention to fans of the other team.... albeit not many were there.... there would be some ribbing and heckling, but no abuse verbal or otherwise that I witnessed, at least.

Now, I read this elitist philosophy wherein we fans are supposed to intimidate the opposing fans so they "don't want to come back"

Well, FedEx is a public venue, these fans get their tickets, and believe it or not, they have just as much right to be here and enjoy the game... as you do.

Using tactics of intimidation to exclude others from their rights.... just rubs me the wrong way...... sorry.

Then further demanding that those who do not follow.... relinquish their just deserves and submit their season tickets so that they can be used to further the cause.......

These utterances are almost scary..... from anyone let alone from a Skins fan.

The players and coaches are paid handsomely to do "battle" on the field, yet they seem to manage to still shake hands, pray together and go on their way.

Home field advantage is for the team not against the fans.....

For those of you who witness such antics and care...... those digital cameras and video cams are quite handy for backing up your complaints to security about some of these "two can Dans" and their followers, from either side.

BTW- The testosterone thing is a bunch of bunk, I've had it for a long time, got plenty left and I still have no problem remaining civil.

[Chief skin]

Cheering, and supporting the Skins is one thing but when people go after other fans (no matter what they are wearing) that is unacceptable. Great because of a few obnoxious classless morons we are getting a reputation like Philly, hope you *********s are happy. Whats next are we going to have to put in a Skins court and jail at the stadium? HOW FREAKING EMBARASSING to the organization and the city of Washington.

[misery]

You gotta have an opposing stadium for other fans - that is good

[lunarluau]

Win with dignity - lose with dignity.

[bono44]

So then, most of us feel the same way. We enjoy jabbing and yabbing at the opposing team and thier fans, but we understand to keep it classy. It was my opinion that the thread starter was suggesting a bit more, and that's why I asked him to give his definition, which he did not.

In the end it's all about supporting the Redskins. I'm a self admitted homer, but I feel that the fans, as well as the team should take on the characteristics of its coach. What would Coach Gibbs do? How would you like your family to be treated if you were visiting the Link?

It's not about testosterone, it's about the Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It's just good manners, and it doesn't mean that we're weak. It means we're respectful. The coach has worked hard to build a team of character players; maybe we should be character fans. Just a thought.

Amen brother. Perspective people.

I'm louder than anyone at the game cheering for the 'Skins but at the same time I'd hope a Giants fan could bring his family to the game and not have to worry about having to fight his way out. We are football fans not gang members.

BTW, when did the childish "You Suck" chant become mandatory?

[SonnyRules]

So after reading this thread, I should anticipate getting beer poured over my head, cussed out, and my butt kicked when I wear my Redskin colors to the Philly game this Sunday.

Cool, I'll just bring my Blue Cross / Blue Shield card; but just like those visiting fans to FedEX, I will support my team....

[Hail_to_Kessel]

you guys are very immature thats why i never posted in a year, but after sats game i could not hold it in any longer. what was the reason many season ticket holders sold their tickets to other teams fans last year? we had 4 wins and its called fairweather. i did not sit on my hands i cheered loud and did my part as the 12th man, just because i choose to act with a little class i am outted as not being a skins fan, this only proves my point that the fans these days act like punks.

all I can say is: WAHHH WAHHH WAHHHHHH!

[endzone_dave]

If you're yelling at an opposing fan with the intent of making them not want to return ever again, you're probably being a jerk.

[DieselKev44]

Did anyone see any good fights? One dude in the upper lever sect. 402?? area got beat down. It went on for like 5 minutes before the dude was carried (hogtied)out. You just do not go into the opposing stadium and talk trash. You are looking for a fight. These jersey clowns will not forget their introduction to Fedex!
"Good fights"? Don't be a jerk. There is no such thing. It's that kind of attitude that is embarrassing to me as a Redskins fan (of 28 years). I'm all for screaming my bloody head off (which I did at the Dallas game), but fighting is for children (and child-like adults). It's a freakin' game. Leave that crap to the Philly fans.

[SHARPASAARROWHEAD]

It's idiots like you that Screw this sport up!

Fine example for children that come to the game to see the game not some jerk harrassing the other teams fans.

Your the one that should be carried out hogtied!

[herrmag]

Amen brother. Perspective people.

I'm louder than anyone at the game cheering for the 'Skins but at the same time I'd hope a Giants fan could bring his family to the game and not have to worry about having to fight his way out. We are football fans not gang members.

BTW, when did the childish "You Suck" chant become mandatory?

It actually started out as a hockey chant, and somehow has made it's way to football. I admit that I chant it, and it probably is sophomoric. But, I can't help it.

[greenmile]

Seriously, you think these people have the right to come into OUR STADIUM? How dare they? I don't go into their stadiums, they have no right to come into ours. I'll give them all the hell I want. I told every Cowboys fan that night to "get the **** out" after we won, and they deserved it.

[SHARPASAARROWHEAD]

Seriously, you think these people have the right to come into OUR STADIUM? How dare they? I don't go into their stadiums, they have no right to come into ours. I'll give them all the hell I want. I told every Cowboys fan that night to "get the **** out" after we won, and they deserved it.


What a punk you must be! You dont deserve to be a REDSKINS fan!

[greenmile]

What a punk you must be! You dont deserve to be a REDSKINS fan!

Are you serious? You sit around and see these disrespectful people flaunting their opposing team's jearseys and just take it? Personally, I would never go into another team's stadium and disrespect them like that. This is REDSKINS STADIUM, and believe me, I've heard OVER MANY YEARS dallas fans cussing at us when they beat our asses over the past 10 years. They are there to SPOIL OUR FUN and laugh at us when we lose. So we can't dish it back? HOW DARE THEY COME INTO OUR STADIUM? Honestly, this isn't a McDonalds, NOT EVERYONE IS WELCOME.

[JMBozell]

I couldn't agree more with making Fedex the loudest stadium in the NFL. And I love how the "wine and cheese" crowd is being rooted out for the real Skin fans. But one thing bothers me. I was at the Dallas game and every 10 minutes I heard the "YOU SUCK!" chant. I really cannot stand this chant. It's so classless and tacky. It's something you hear at a Maryland basketball game. Can't we come up with something more imaginative then "YOU SUCK!"??

[greenmile]

I couldn't agree more with making Fedex the loudest stadium in the NFL. And I love how the "wine and cheese" crowd is being rooted out for the real Skin fans. But one thing bothers me. I was at the Dallas game and every 10 minutes I heard the "YOU SUCK!" chant. I really cannot stand this chant. It's so classless and tacky. It's something you hear at a Maryland basketball game. Can't we come up with something more imaginative then "YOU SUCK!"??

I will agree that the "YOU SUCK" chant is terrible and I keep my mouth shut in disgust when I hear it. And you know Gibbs hates that too, but won't tell us to stop.

[SonnyRules]

Are you serious? You sit around and see these disrespectful people flaunting their opposing team's jearseys and just take it? Personally, I would never go into another team's stadium and disrespect them like that. This is REDSKINS STADIUM, and believe me, I've heard OVER MANY YEARS dallas fans cussing at us when they beat our asses over the past 10 years. They are there to SPOIL OUR FUN and laugh at us when we lose. So we can't dish it back? HOW DARE THEY COME INTO OUR STADIUM? Honestly, this isn't a McDonalds, NOT EVERYONE IS WELCOME.

At the young age of 75, you haven't learned very much. Are you sure you're not an Eagles fan....Mr. "Greenmile"?

[JMBozell]

The "You suck" chant must go.

[Gracelander]

Didn't see any "good" fights, but going into the men's room at fed ex during a victory is an totally different jungle. How fans with opposing teams jerseys can take a pi$$ is beyond me, whew.. but it is fun though
:eaglesuck

[greenmile]

At the young age of 75, you haven't learned very much. Are you sure you're not an Eagles fan....Mr. "Greenmile"?

Let's get some things straight:

1. I lied about my age. I'm actually 95.

2. This is a FOOTBALL GAME, not a FAMILY EVENT.

3. Opposing fans are lucky I don't punch them in the face when I see them.

4. Take this as an example: Our home game against the eagles, I get two lovely eagles fans that sit right in front of me. One guy, the most stereotypical Jersey piece of trash you've ever seen, is wearing a TO jersey (mind you, this is the game right after he was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team). During the game, this guy would NOT SIT DOWN. Now, I'm not going to start **** for no reason, obviously. But I tell this guy to sit down and he's like "we paid as much for these tickets as you". So I thought about it. And I came to this: "BUT YOU DON'T BELONG HERE." Do you people not understand!? THIS IS OUR HOME. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THESE OPPOSING FANS WELLBEING AT OUR STADIUM. That guy was a complete jackass, talking up trash about how the Skins suck. You think I want to hear that while I'm watching my favorite football play IN MY OWN STADIUM. You people need to realize OTHERS DO NOT BELONG IN OUR STADIUM.

5. Don't be a *****. We need to make people fear coming to our stadium. They've been coming for years figuring an easy win and a good time at smashing our hopes and fun. Well, they can all go to hell.

[psu2008]

I think pouring beer and throwing objects at people is totally unacceptable at any sporting venue. However, it may be funny at some times, its not right. As for the Hey, You Suck chant the PA announcer turns off the music sometimes to let the crowd and encourage them to go hey you suck which I think is amazing. I watched some of the dallas game on tape and wow you can hear the whole stadium chanting those words during the hey song. Impressive. Verbal abuse/foul language should be expected at sporting events. It is a part of society and is here to stay. Some things cross the line, but there's not much that can be done about it.

Some people do deserved to be punched, in the face sometimes tho like the cowboys fan that was in my section during the giants game cheering just to be an idiot and egging on skins fans and flicking them off and such.

[CLBinMD]

Like most things, it's a matter of good sense & good taste. The problem comes in trying to get 90K+ people to agree on what that means - especially when a significant number of them are....shall we say.....judgement impaired. I'm no Carrie Nation but I will say that a bit of forced sobriety (courtesy of a DUI beef) at games has altered my take on this somewhat.

I'm all for cheering loud for your team at the right times AND making your stadium a difficult place for the other TEAM to play. I also think it's reasonable to expect an opposition FAN who wears their teams colors can expect to take a bit of - good natured, hopefully - stick. The problem comes when ignorant yobs - on both sides - blur the line between TEAM and FAN. For example, it's not reasonable for a FAN of one team to fear for their safety or to be verbally assaulted at a game by fan's of the other team......at EITHER team's stadium......or anywhere else for that matter...

Again, if fans of opposing teams are willing to banter back & forth, it can make it enjoyable for both. But, the line is pretty clear. When it's not fun for EITHER person anymore, it should stop. I have seen behavior at FedEX that has - quite frankly - been an embarassment and clearly contradictory to the reputation for "class" the franchise and most of it's fans have spent years developing. Examples, you say???

1. All the [u]fill-in-the-blank SUCKS!" chants. Those are "fighting words" - always have been, always will be. I don't participate in that cheer and I don't let my kids do so, either. I'm particularly annoyed that the 'Skins passively encourage it through playing the Gary Glitter tune. Anyone with half a brain in their head knows what's going to happen when they do.

2. People screaming all the way across the section to single out someone for a profanity-laced tirade. I don't have a problem with profanity, per say. It's still a staple in my vocabulary but I desperately try not to use it around kids whose folks might be trying to teach them differently.

3. Two adult "fans" in front of me turning around to taunt - obsenities included - a little boy sitting next to me at the Eagles game. I finally had to be the one to tell these two yobs to knock it off.

4. A running battle between fans all the way down the ramp after the Eagles game that resulted in somebody out-cold in the middle of the ramp about half way down.

5. Some guy screaming at Giants fans in the men's room outside Section 448 that could, "say anything I want to you 'cause 90K 'Skins fans got my back!" Sorry, not me, pal........

6. Two idiots - one in a 'Skins jersey & one in a Giants jersey - screaming at each other out front afterwards. At what point did the two of you decide that making spectacles of yourselfs become more important to you than the team you - alledgedly - support?

PLAYING football is about testosterone. WATCHING football is about being an intelligent fan. PAYING to WATCH football with a lot of other people - some of whom don't have the same agenda as you - is about respect.

Do people have the "right" to act otherwise - at least until the point where they get themselves kicked out? Sure. Do others have the right to think they're morons for doing so? You bet!!!

Cheers,

CLBinMD

[ChrisL4064]

this is a back and fourth argument that could go on for years until they stop serving alcohol at the games.....


in which case nobody under 40 would attend and therefore it would turn into a baseball game, i guess then you could bring your entire family to watch a violent sport with the comfort of knowing nobody is going to curse. bottom line... get over it, if you want to bring your kids do it in the pre-season or sit club level. some people save up for months to sit lower level just to get close enough to actually heckle the other teams bench. and then we have the regulars, the true upper-deckers where anything can happen due to the high altitude

ive seen more violence commited by mothers and children with no alcohol envolved on black friday in tysons corner.

[lunarluau]

I worked as Fed Ex Field usher section 452-453 for 3+ years so I dealt with a lot of the BS being discussed here. Cheering, being loud, light hearted trash talk, etc. is fun, but starting fights, cursing/threatening other fans, throwing st*ff, etc. is unacceptable behavior. There's a an easy to define line that can't be crossed and there's a limit to how far you can take things. Opposing fans may cheer for the other team but they too like their team like we like ours, they have families, etc. We're all together for the love of the sport.

Something to remember, and something that some of the people that posted earlier may want to consider is that if an usher or official at Fed Ex sees you throwing something, starting a fight, displaying behavior that is out of control or disorderly, they will eject and/or arrest you AND they can and will revoke your season ticket priveledges. I've seen it done on more than a few occassions. If they' aren't your tickets they will revoke the priveledges of the person that owns the rights. There are cameras all over the stadium. Don't think for a second that nobody is watching.

Philadelphia's Stadium is an embarassment to the league and the fans. Let's hope Fed Ex never becomes that. :2cents:

[elgallo]

does **** da cowboys, or Eagles SUCK is that bad... of course I make sure that no kids are around.. if so I have to tone down the cussing.. and stick with suck a lot

:)

Man.. I guess I am a classless fan.. Although I have been a diehard fan for 20 yrs...oh an by the way... that's how it is everywhere.. I went to the NY game.. where we got spanked... and when we were leaving fans started throwing beer at us... again most people were nice.. usually the older crowd.. however the college age kids.. were talking **** all game... I expected it... since I understand that is their HOUSE>>.

However, I do agree about throwing punches only when necessary...

[HailYeah]

Let's get some things straight:

1. I lied about my age. I'm actually 95.

2. This is a FOOTBALL GAME, not a FAMILY EVENT.

3. Opposing fans are lucky I don't punch them in the face when I see them.

4. Take this as an example: Our home game against the eagles, I get two lovely eagles fans that sit right in front of me. One guy, the most stereotypical Jersey piece of trash you've ever seen, is wearing a TO jersey (mind you, this is the game right after he was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team). During the game, this guy would NOT SIT DOWN. Now, I'm not going to start **** for no reason, obviously. But I tell this guy to sit down and he's like "we paid as much for these tickets as you". So I thought about it. And I came to this: "BUT YOU DON'T BELONG HERE." Do you people not understand!? THIS IS OUR HOME. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THESE OPPOSING FANS WELLBEING AT OUR STADIUM. That guy was a complete jackass, talking up trash about how the Skins suck. You think I want to hear that while I'm watching my favorite football play IN MY OWN STADIUM. You people need to realize OTHERS DO NOT BELONG IN OUR STADIUM.

5. Don't be a *****. We need to make people fear coming to our stadium. They've been coming for years figuring an easy win and a good time at smashing our hopes and fun. Well, they can all go to hell.

There's a word for such a mentality, it's called fascism. Are you telling me that you dont have one friend who supports another team? If not, you must not have many friends. If so, you're saying you would never allow that friend to accompany you to an NFL game? Are you saying that eventhough Sunday is the biggest game for the Redskins in a long time YOU shouldn't be allowed to attend the game because its in Philly? Does it have to get to the point where we have "buffer" zones monitored by riot police to keep fans from killing each other at freaking football games like in Europe? Good God, man, calm down.

[slm2856]

The "You suck" chant must go.

I agree with the whole starting fights scenario. It is unexceptable. But, the chant is funny and I personally don't think it crosses the line.

I think the first time I heard the F word was @ my first Redskin game. Which was over 13 years ago. So, things haven't changed too much. Someone who brings their kids to the game must understand there is going to be foul lanuage. (if they don't hear it @ the stadium, they will hear it somewhere else...school for example). If kids are raised right, they will understand its wrong. Also, youre asking for it if you bring a kid to a night game.

Outta 90,000 fans there will always be idiots. I don't think it represents Skins fans as a whole. To be honest, I was more ashamed the past couple years when 20% of our attendence was the opposing teams fans.

[SonnyRules]

Let's get some things straight:

1. I lied about my age. I'm actually 95.

2. This is a FOOTBALL GAME, not a FAMILY EVENT.

3. Opposing fans are lucky I don't punch them in the face when I see them.

4. Take this as an example: Our home game against the eagles, I get two lovely eagles fans that sit right in front of me. One guy, the most stereotypical Jersey piece of trash you've ever seen, is wearing a TO jersey (mind you, this is the game right after he was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team). During the game, this guy would NOT SIT DOWN. Now, I'm not going to start **** for no reason, obviously. But I tell this guy to sit down and he's like "we paid as much for these tickets as you". So I thought about it. And I came to this: "BUT YOU DON'T BELONG HERE." Do you people not understand!? THIS IS OUR HOME. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THESE OPPOSING FANS WELLBEING AT OUR STADIUM. That guy was a complete jackass, talking up trash about how the Skins suck. You think I want to hear that while I'm watching my favorite football play IN MY OWN STADIUM. You people need to realize OTHERS DO NOT BELONG IN OUR STADIUM.

5. Don't be a *****. We need to make people fear coming to our stadium. They've been coming for years figuring an easy win and a good time at smashing our hopes and fun. Well, they can all go to hell.

1. At 95, you are doing well. That dress you're sport'n does you justice. :D

2. Football games are family events; I remember when my dad took me to see the Eddie Lebaron led Skins. It was one of my fondest memories and solidified my love of the Redskins. By saying it is a football game and not a family event, you deny any youngster the opportunity to experience our beloved Redskins....I would argue that it is both selfish and shallow to not allow kids the same rights of passage as those who came before them; just because you want to exercise your right to trash talk.

3. Well, I'll be at the Skins/Eagles game this week and I just hope that there are not many Eagles fans that have the same perspective as you.


It's funny that you talk about Eagle fans that would not sit down in front of you. I've been reading many threads about upset Redskin fans being asked to sit down during games...how ironic.

When I walk into Lincoln Financial Field this Sunday, I will do so with respect for the other teams home. (...also with the fear that I might meet someone like you, with too much to drink, and I'll get my ass kicked).

[sumodat]

you are back peddling so bad, You really think its ok to heckle the #### out of other team fans and be hostile toward them, now you are changeing it to no verbal abuse. Guys like you embarrass a long time skin fan like me. Keep it classy Washigton.

I didn't say "no verbal abuse." I said I don't cuss at them. I have a 3 year old daughter. I don't cuss at people.

Why are you guys trying to twist what I said? If you take issue with what i said, then fine. But stop trying to twist it.

I have not back pettled or changed anything I have said.

[HailYeah]

3. Opposing fans are lucky I don't punch them in the face when I see them.



Maybe your the guy who attacked my friend for wearing a Shockey jersey. Hope you enjoy that broken nose. Don't be stupid.

[halter91]

With all the crying going on about Redskins fans behavior, I want to say it is nice to have an enviornment where opposing fans will think twice about showing their pride and wearing their teams colors!

I am not for pouring beer, or assaulting (physically) other fans, but I do think we should heckle the **** out of them for the whole game.

This has been the wine and cheese headquarters for too long. It is time the real fans took the stadium back.

So please, stop all the crying about classless fans and heckling and all that. This is sports/football/competition. It takes a certain amount of testosterone to appreciate it. If you lack that, then you just don't/won't understand.

So thank you to all the fans who heckled, booed, and just gave a hard time to Giants fans this week. I am not saying fought, or poured beer, etc...
I am saying verbally defended our stadium. I know I did!

FedEx is no longer a country club. If that is what YOU are used to, I need season tix. Hand em over!

Well put my brother, I wonder if they will be gentle to me at the Stink on Sunday? I doubt it!! :eaglesuck :gaintsuck

[elgallo]

Halter... somehow I think you willl be fine... I've seen you.. and you're pretty scary looking.. I don't think anyone is gonna mess with you..!!! :) cheer loud brother.. I hope me and Lawman where there wit you....

be safe.. and represent... HAIL TO THE REDSKINS....

[greenmile]

There's a word for such a mentality, it's called fascism. Are you telling me that you dont have one friend who supports another team? If not, you must not have many friends. If so, you're saying you would never allow that friend to accompany you to an NFL game? Are you saying that eventhough Sunday is the biggest game for the Redskins in a long time YOU shouldn't be allowed to attend the game because its in Philly? Does it have to get to the point where we have "buffer" zones monitored by riot police to keep fans from killing each other at freaking football games like in Europe? Good God, man, calm down.

I do, surprisingly, have a friend who is a Cowboy's fan. And I would NEVER invite him to go to Fedex with me. Are you kidding me? I have plenty of Redskins fan friends who BELONG there that I would rather bring. You think I would bring a hated enemy into friendly territory, are you sick in the head?

People are free to wander in and out of any stadium they choose, but I just find it disrespectful to come into my house if you're not a fan of my team, that's all. I'm not going to start anything unless the fan is unruly to begin with.

[greenmile]

Maybe your the guy who attacked my friend for wearing a Shockey jersey. Hope you enjoy that broken nose. Don't be stupid.

No, I didn't. But I should have.

[trez]

Ok then. You obviously feel strongly about this since you restarted a thread that a moderater closed.

So between this tripe and your previously posted tripe, I'll conclude that you want no one but Redskin fans at the games. Should opposing fans show up, they should be verbally assaulted for the duration of the game, at all cost. Stopping short of physical violence.

I typically find my self too engaged in the game, my family, and cheering the Redskins to concern myself with making someone else's life miserable.

But that's just me. Hope you feel better.

Simmer down, dude.

[robarchbold]

I'm a long-time Redskin fan from England (UK).

My first love in sports is what you guys call soccer. In England in the 1950's and 60's (so I'm told) it was a joy to go to a game as there was an atmosphere of rivalry but mutual respect between the two sets of fans within the stadia.

Then in the 1970's and 80's this atmosphere turned nastier with taunting between opposing fans escalating from the occasional fight to mass organised brawling and rioting on numerous occasions both inside and outside the stadium, weapons including knives became commomplace and were often used. Fans travelled to opposing cities with the intent of having a good fight with no regard to the game. It became a dangerous activity to walk about wearing the 'wrong' colours for fear of being kicked senseless or slashed, there were also a number of deaths attributable to soccer related violence.

I had always heard that US football stadia were safe places where you could go and watch a game, sit amongst the opposing fans, cheer for your team, enjoy some friendly rivalry and banter and have no fear that you would return home safely at the end of an enjoyable day of watching a wonderful sport. I had also heard that as the home team fans would outnumber the visiting fans then the away team on the pitch could expect to hear a lot of noise whilst they were on offense, which is fair enough as you've got to make something of homefield advantage.

I was lucky enough to get tickets for my first Redskins game for my 40th birthday this year. That game was at Tampa Bay so I went along with my girlfriend (who bought the tickets) and sat amongst a whole load of Bucs fans whilst wearing my Redskins shirt. I had some good conversations and friendly repartee with those Bucs fans around me, cheered for my team when they came onto the field, cheered when we scored or made a good play. All was fine until we scored our touchdown to make the score 19-21, when I stood up to cheer the touchdown somebody from about ten rows behind me threw an almost empty plastic cup of beer at me. Now the beer in the cup hit the poeple behind me and the cup hit the guy sitting in front of me, so no harm done to me :). At that point I thought "Shoot this could turn nasty", however the Bucs fans around me apologized for "that a******* behaviour - he's not a real fan". My faith was instantly restored in the American way of sports watching that I believed existed, so I cheered when we scored the two extra points. The rest of the game passed without further bad incident (apart from the misbeahving refs ! and the nois of the Bucs fans to disturb our offense ) and just as much friendly rivalry that had ensued before the aforemention unsavoury incident.

The point that I'm trying to make is that watching sports should be fun and safe for all, and if you begin to go down the road of intimidating opposing fans (rather than the opposing team) it may snowball out of control to the levels of violence seen in my country in the past few decades and watching sport then becomes no fun at all, except for those who are there just for the thrill of the violent inter-fan encounters.

So let's make Fed-Ex the noisiest most hostile stadium in the league for opposing players to visit but vent your feelings towards the field, that's where it matters. If their fans feel that they want to come too, then let them but treat them with the respect that we would want to receive when we visit their stadium to support our team. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be some rivalry and banter between fans but be careful how far it goes as I've seen first hand what can happen when good sports go bad.

[greenmile]

1. At 95, you are doing well. That dress you're sport'n does you justice. :D

2. Football games are family events; I remember when my dad took me to see the Eddie Lebaron led Skins. It was one of my fondest memories and solidified my love of the Redskins. By saying it is a football game and not a family event, you deny any youngster the opportunity to experience our beloved Redskins....I would argue that it is both selfish and shallow to not allow kids the same rights of passage as those who came before them; just because you want to exercise your right to trash talk.

3. Well, I'll be at the Skins/Eagles game this week and I just hope that there are not many Eagles fans that have the same perspective as you.


It's funny that you talk about Eagle fans that would not sit down in front of you. I've been reading many threads about upset Redskin fans being asked to sit down during games...how ironic.

When I walk into Lincoln Financial Field this Sunday, I will do so with respect for the other teams home. (...also with the fear that I might meet someone like you, with too much to drink, and I'll get my ass kicked).

1. Thanks

2. No, football games ARE NOT family events. Disney on Ice is a family event. A football game is a SPORTING event where ALCOHOL IS SERVED, so don't tell me this is about FAMILY. Sure, I went to games as a kid, and I think children should be able to go to football game that's atleast PG-13 or lower. Look, if I see some kids around me I make sure I tone it down, sure. I can agree with that. But don't tell me this is family event.

3. Just because I'm displaying my hatred for opposing fans here doesn't mean I'm laying punches and cussing like crazy at the games. If the opposing fans don't get in my way or say stupid ****, I'll leave them alone. But I will stare them down in disgust, don't you worry.

[KTrainSkinsFan]

C'mon guys this is football. It's a passionate game with passionate fans. If you go to a stadium dressed up in the away teams colors, you should be prepared for at least some heckling. That's just how it is. That's the way it should be.

[gibbsfan2018]

If they can not handle it STAY HOME. THIS IS THE REDSKINS HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HailYeah]

I do, surprisingly, have a friend who is a Cowboy's fan. And I would NEVER invite him to go to Fedex with me. Are you kidding me? I have plenty of Redskins fan friends who BELONG there that I would rather bring. You think I would bring a hated enemy into friendly territory, are you sick in the head?

People are free to wander in and out of any stadium they choose, but I just find it disrespectful to come into my house if you're not a fan of my team, that's all. I'm not going to start anything unless the fan is unruly to begin with.

Well, unlike you, I enjoy seeing the smile fade from my friends face when the Redskins score. Then heckling him to death along with every other fan around me. This is called fun. Causing a brawl because someone is wearing a jersey is not fun, at least to me. If your "not going to start anything unless the fan is unruly to begin with" how do you justify someone being lucky if you don't "punch them in the face."?

Football games should be roudy as hell, but not to the point of brawling/physically settling a dispute. Thats what the players are paid to do.

[greenmile]

Well, unlike you, I enjoy seeing the smile fade from my friends face when the Redskins score. Then heckling him to death along with every other fan around me. This is called fun. Causing a brawl because someone is wearing a jersey is not fun, at least to me. If your "not going to start anything unless the fan is unruly to begin with" how do you justify someone being lucky if you don't "punch them in the face."?

Football games should be roudy as hell, but not to the point of brawling/physically settling a dispute. Thats what the players are paid to do.

The "punch in the face" comment was a joke dude, come on.

[DieselKev44]

C'mon guys this is football. It's a passionate game with passionate fans. If you go to a stadium dressed up in the away teams colors, you should be prepared for at least some heckling. That's just how it is. That's the way it should be.
Some heckling, for sure. I had some banter with Cowboys fans at the Dallas game, but it was all in good fun and they knew it. I would expect no less if I were to attend a Skins game in our colors at another team's stadium.

But those of you advocating fighting or serious verbal abuse are seriously screwed up people who need to get a life. This is a game. Grow up, or stay home.

Some of you "fans" are closer to the origin of the word -- fanatics.

And yes, the "you suck" chant should go. I would encourage Fedex management to stop playing "Rock and Roll, Part II" (the song where thousands of idiots scream it).

[Biggeesmoove]

Wow. What a thread.

I've been mostly observing (to make sure I heard all viewpoints before commenting), and some here are guilty of imposing their own idea of what "class" is (or is not) on others. Everyone has the right to act in whatever fashion they choose, but along with that comes benefits/consequences. It's not for me to tell someone else how they SHOULD act in any given situation. I can state what the law is, but beyond that, what a person does or doesn't do is UP TO THEM, whether it coincides with my "idea" of "good taste" or not.

As to a football game being a "family event", I believe the game has changed so much over the years that our response to it/expectations of it must also change. I don't see it as "family entertainment" anymore. If I want my children to experience "fine family programming/events", I don't turn on/take them to football games. Just ask Janet Jackson if her wardrobe "malfunction" was designed to teach our kids anatomy.

If a guy wants to heckle another fan, let him do so, to whatever degree he chooses - AT HIS OWN RISK.....It's not up to any of us to be the "morality police" for FedEx Field; it's up to us to police our OWN conduct. A person that treats another person in a fashion that is unacceptable to the receiving person will soon find out what the receiving person deems an appropriate response.

[Inigo Montoya]

I do, surprisingly, have a friend who is a Cowboy's fan. And I would NEVER invite him to go to Fedex with me. Are you kidding me? I have plenty of Redskins fan friends who BELONG there that I would rather bring. You think I would bring a hated enemy into friendly territory, are you sick in the head?

People are free to wander in and out of any stadium they choose, but I just find it disrespectful to come into my house if you're not a fan of my team, that's all. I'm not going to start anything unless the fan is unruly to begin with.

You are clearly not right!!! I live in STL, born in DC and now the only games I go to are the ones when the skins are here. So you think that doesnt happen in the nations capital??? as long as the oppossing team's fans arent jerks there is no reason to hate them for wearing a different color jersey! i hate visiting teams fans that are assinine, but i would hate a fellow fan who was assinine just the same. I love the Redskins and I cheered here in STL when we were beating the crap out of the Rams, but I NEVER said a word to anyone. Some old lady asked us to "sit somewhere else" b/c she was pissed and i thought that she was a *****! You should be banned from all sporting events and tied to a stupid tree for life!!!

[HailYeah]

No, I didn't. But I should have.


Whatever. Just be glad you didn't.

[Stew]

I went to the Giants game with a friend. We were tailgating in Green and had a family of Giants fans parked behind of us. Well as another Giants fan came driving by acting like an idiot swerving towards Redskins fans in the parking lot, my friend yelled out "Giants suck! You suck!" to the donkey driving like a New Yorker. Well the lady behind us came over and starts yapping about how not to use the word "suck" around her kids. We apologized and went back to sit down. No more then 2 minutes pass, and a vendor selling "GIANTS SUCK!" beenie's comes walking up screaming "Giants suck snow caps, 2 for 20" My friend told him to go ask the family of Giants fans behind us. She got pissed at us all over again, and let s have it unti we went inside. Kinda lame, I know, but it was funny at the time. :gaintsuck

[HailYeah]

I went to the Giants game with a friend. We were tailgating in Green and had a family of Giants fans parked behind of us. Well as another Giants fan came driving by acting like an idiot swerving towards Redskins fans in the parking lot, my friend yelled out "Giants suck! You suck!" to the donkey driving like a New Yorker. Well the lady behind us came over and starts yapping about how not to use the word "suck" around her kids. We apologized and went back to sit down. No more then 2 minutes pass, and a vendor selling "GIANTS SUCK!" beenie's comes walking up screaming "Giants suck snow caps, 2 for 20" My friend told him to go ask the family of Giants fans behind us. She got pissed at us all over again, and let s have it unti we went inside. Kinda lame, I know, but it was funny at the time. :gaintsuck

Haha. I dont know if "suck" can be constituted as a curse word after the 2nd grade. :gaintsuck :dallasuck :eaglesuck

[greenmile]

Whatever. Just be glad you didn't.

Whatever. The simple fact that you came to the game with a friend wearing a shockey jersey makes you worthy of a punch in the face as well.

[greenmile]

I went to the Giants game with a friend. We were tailgating in Green and had a family of Giants fans parked behind of us. Well as another Giants fan came driving by acting like an idiot swerving towards Redskins fans in the parking lot, my friend yelled out "Giants suck! You suck!" to the donkey driving like a New Yorker. Well the lady behind us came over and starts yapping about how not to use the word "suck" around her kids. We apologized and went back to sit down. No more then 2 minutes pass, and a vendor selling "GIANTS SUCK!" beenie's comes walking up screaming "Giants suck snow caps, 2 for 20" My friend told him to go ask the family of Giants fans behind us. She got pissed at us all over again, and let s have it unti we went inside. Kinda lame, I know, but it was funny at the time. :gaintsuck

That's the kind of bullsht I'm talking about. Not only was she going into someone else's stadium wearing evil clothing, but she then had the audacity to start lecturing nearby Redskins fans on their language. Rediculous.

[sumodat]

Whatever. The simple fact that you came to the game with a friend wearing a shockey jersey makes you worthy of a punch in the face as well.

I would suggest yo two stop. You will get your pee pee smacked by the mods. Trust me! I did last night. Keep it civil. ;)

[fmorris]

Here ya go Somodat. Perhaps this will clear it up.


Man...

Look, this is football. This is competition. While I do not think it is right to pour beer on people, I do think we should give them hell the whole game.

This is country is turning into a bunch of vaginas! First people let their kids play sports with out keeping score , then people complain about the way OPPOSING fans are treated! Who invited them? This is the REDSKINS home field, not the Giants.

The guy should not pour beer, but heckle away!


It's just that the people complaining about the way OPPOSING fans are being treated, are complaining about all the bad things you say you'd never do. These non-soccer-score-keeping-vaginas as you so elequently put it. I really didn't mean to upset you. Just trying to reconsile all your contradictions. Sorry if I misinterpreted your tone :)

[redtilldead]

Hey, the difference between a Philly fan and Redskin fan....Class. I was visiting DC for Xmass so my son and I got tickets to the show (we are life long Skins fans). Great game, great day and great fans. Every one in our section, 20, was NUTS! We had Giants fans all around us. Everyone talking SMACK!!!! We let them know they were in "Our House". I don't beleive in taking it to a level where punches are thrown or beer is poured on someone. If you like fights at sporting events, get hockey tickets. My best SMACK remark of the day...."Were is Tiki or Tiki Who?" I also enjoyed "Shocky Sucks".

[Dallsux]

With all the crying going on about Redskins fans behavior, I want to say it is nice to have an enviornment where opposing fans will think twice about showing their pride and wearing their teams colors!

I am not for pouring beer, or assaulting (physically) other fans, but I do think we should heckle the **** out of them for the whole game.

This has been the wine and cheese headquarters for too long. It is time the real fans took the stadium back.

So please, stop all the crying about classless fans and heckling and all that. This is sports/football/competition. It takes a certain amount of testosterone to appreciate it. If you lack that, then you just don't/won't understand.

So thank you to all the fans who heckled, booed, and just gave a hard time to Giants fans this week. I am not saying fought, or poured beer, etc...
I am saying verbally defended our stadium. I know I did!

FedEx is no longer a country club. If that is what YOU are used to, I need season tix. Hand em over!



I, unfortunately, have not had much time to spend on here lately, but I know this place has got to be getting riled up. But, I would like to add a THANK YOU to this, if I may...

THANK YOU to ALL of you that, thru the WORST years, you STILL represented the team. You STILL wore your jerseys just about everywhere you went & you have the TATTOOS (even during the Norv years) & you NEVER stopped heckling & verbally abusing the opposing team fans. I am, all of a sudden, SURROUNDED by Redskins fans at work. Now, this is not a bad thing, by any stretch, but...:paranoid:...ya know what...I've been chanting "LET'S GO REDSKINS!" & banging on the belts at work BEFORE TC, surrounded by opposing team fans up my ass!! Where the **** have they been?

Ya know, what...that's ok. They are there now...for now. ;)


But, I did have one guy the other day at CVS tell me that he was glad to see the Redskins winning (he was commenting about my jersey, which could probably walk around on it's own at this point ;) ) & how he has been...:doh:...ashamed, ASHAMED to support the Redskins. :cuss: I took a little time with him. Explained that he is what we REAL FANS call "Fairweather." He said, "No, I just like them when they are winning." :thud:

I even said, "HTTR" to a couple of people at Starbuck's in the strip mall in Tysons where Tower Records & Night Dreams is & they looked at me like I was speaking another language. And then I realized...I was.


So, THANK YOU REDSKINS FANS that supported the Redskins BEFORE 2 weeks ago! :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy


Of course on the flipside of that, it's wonderful to go out & everywhere we go, people are smiling that B & G smile that has been absent from the area for far too long. And Cowboys fans are quietly slipping back under their rocks, where they crawled out from under 10 years ago. May it be another 12 glorious years without them.


For those of you who have not been supporting until recently...Welcome back! Don't ever leave again! :helmet: :kungfu:

[Dallsux]

I would suggest yo two stop. You will get your pee pee smacked by the mods. Trust me! I did last night. Keep it civil. ;)


Boy, I'll bet THAT hurt! :nutkick:

[Dallsux]

I do, surprisingly, have a friend who is a Cowboy's fan. And I would NEVER invite him to go to Fedex with me. Are you kidding me? I have plenty of Redskins fan friends who BELONG there that I would rather bring. You think I would bring a hated enemy into friendly territory, are you sick in the head?

People are free to wander in and out of any stadium they choose, but I just find it disrespectful to come into my house if you're not a fan of my team, that's all. I'm not going to start anything unless the fan is unruly to begin with.


I took one of my best friends (who happens to be a Raiders fan) to the Raiders game this year. Now, normally, I would not have done this, but he was the one who got the tickets from a friend of his & he asked me to go with him. I figured it was better that I go then yet another Raiders fan. At one point, while we are tailgating with the DTC, he asked me & the other guys that drove with us (Redskins fans) if he was a Cowboys fan, would we have brought him here. He didn't even have to finish the question. All 3 of us answered the same way, "HELL NO!" Needless to say, he is not an "unruly" character, so he was no problem. However, if he WAS an "unruly" person, there is no way I would have gone with him. I was nervous about it as it was because opposing team colors are not exactly something you see much of at F-51...with good reason. Anyway, I said all that to say this...

I agree. ;)

[sumodat]

Here ya go Somodat. Perhaps this will clear it up.




It's just that the people complaining about the way OPPOSING fans are being treated, are complaining about all the bad things you say you'd never do. These non-soccer-score-keeping-vaginas as you so elequently put it. I really didn't mean to upset you. Just trying to reconsile all your contadictions. Sorry if I misinterpreted your tone :)

Can you point out ANY time I contradicted myself? Show me where I say I am violent, cussing or pouring beer on someone, etc...

You have tried so hard to make it look like I do those things though I have continue to say I don't. In fact, I clearly express that in the opening post of this thread.

So instead of tying to "reconsile my contradictions," how about showing me one. You have tried and tried to twist my words.

Like I said, some people will never get it. You, obviously, are one of them.

[OVCChairman]

1. Thanks

2. No, football games ARE NOT family events. Disney on Ice is a family event. A football game is a SPORTING event where ALCOHOL IS SERVED, so don't tell me this is about FAMILY. Sure, I went to games as a kid, and I think children should be able to go to football game that's atleast PG-13 or lower. Look, if I see some kids around me I make sure I tone it down, sure. I can agree with that. But don't tell me this is family event.

3. Just because I'm displaying my hatred for opposing fans here doesn't mean I'm laying punches and cussing like crazy at the games. If the opposing fans don't get in my way or say stupid ****, I'll leave them alone. But I will stare them down in disgust, don't you worry.

you are the kind of person that justifies what they did this past monday night, no alcohol served. And i remember when my dad took me to my first Redskins game, it was one of the best days of my life. And if this was meant to be so vulger and gross, they would put a rating on the games, so dont say that you are JUSTIFIED in disrespecting anybody, next time your kid, well great grand kid has a football game, i'm gonna get tanked and start yelling at the team who had to travel in

[greenmile]

you are the kind of person that justifies what they did this past monday night, no alcohol served. And i remember when my dad took me to my first Redskins game, it was one of the best days of my life. And if this was meant to be so vulger and gross, they would put a rating on the games, so dont say that you are JUSTIFIED in disrespecting anybody, next time your kid, well great grand kid has a football game, i'm gonna get tanked and start yelling at the team who had to travel in

Uh oh, better not let my kid hear you yelling at the opposing team, that would be too harsh.

[fmorris]

Can you point out ANY time I contradicted myself? Show me where I say I am violent, cussing or pouring beer on someone, etc...

You have tried so hard to make it look like I do those things though I have continue to say I don't. In fact, I clearly express that in the opening post of this thread.

So instead of tying to "reconsile my contradictions," how about showing me one. You have tried and tried to twist my words.

Like I said, some people will never get it. You, obviously, are one of them.

And you never tire of defending your faulty logic. Once again, you've completely missed it.

But I think we can both agree that we've beat this dead horse long enough. I'm sure that there are some things out there that we'll actually agree on.

I hate the Cowboys. You?

[sumodat]

And you never tire of defending your faulty logic. Once again, you've completely missed it.

But I think we can both agree that we've beat this dead horse long enough. I'm sure that there are some things out there that we'll actually agree on.

I hate the Cowboys. You?

Another response with no proof of me contradicting myself! You need to either show my contradictions, or apologize for accusing me over and over for contradicting myself and backpeddling. I am not a liar! I started the thread. I got my point across just fine. If you can't comprehend it, fine. But I don't appreciate you saying I backpedled and contradicted myself.

You have accused me of it many times. I have asked for proof mant times, yet you never show my contradiction.

You have just wanted someone to point at and say this is wrong and that is wrong, though none of in applied to me.

Your right, this is a dead horse. It was a long time ago and I am quite tired of discussing it, especially with you.

[fmorris]

=sumodat]Another response with no proof of me contradicting myself! You need to either show my contradictions, or apologize for accusing me over and over for contradicting myself and backpeddling. I am not a liar! I started the thread. I got my point across just fine. If you can't comprehend it, fine. But I don't appreciate you saying I backpedled and contradicted myself.

You have accused me of it many times. I have asked for proof mant times, yet you never show my contradiction.

You have just wanted someone to point at and say this is wrong and that is wrong, though none of in applied to me.

Your right, this is a dead horse. It was a long time ago and I am quite tired of discussing it, especially with you.

Obviously you're not tired, because here we go again. For one, the very premise of your argument is a contradiction:


I want to THANK fans for being hostile at FedEx!

Hostile Of an enemy 1. war, warfare, fighting, combat, action, bloodshed.

I pointed out your contradiction last time, but you were unable (for whatever mental hangup you have) to comprehend basic logic. Please read slow so you can fully comprehend:



This is country is turning into a bunch of vaginas! First people let their kids play sports with out keeping score , then people complain about the way OPPOSING fans are treated! Who invited them? This is the REDSKINS home field, not the Giants.

Here you are clearly upset about people complaining that opposing fans are being treated unfairly. In fact, you stated because of this (and the previously mentioned non-score-keeping soccer folks) our country is turning into a bunch of vaginas. With me so far? Accruate to this point? Not twisting your words? Good.

Now let me ask you a question. What we're these 'vaginas' complaining about that got you so upset. Let me give you a hint:


I think it should be a hostile environment, but NOT a violent one. (--note another contradiction.)

NO BEER THROWING/SPITTING
NO FIGHTING
NO CUSSING AT OTHERS
ETC

Your words. Thier complaints. So because they agree with you (by your own admission and words), you attack them? If that's not a contradiction, just PLEASE explain what is? Just who's argument are you trying to prove anyway? This conversation is over.

[sumodat]

Obviously you're not tired, because here we go again. For one, the very premise of your argument is a contradiction:



Hostile Of an enemy 1. war, warfare, fighting, combat, action, bloodshed.

I pointed out your contradiction last time, but you were unable (for whatever mental hangup you have) to comprehend basic logic. Please read slow so you can fully comprehend:




Here you are clearly upset about people complaining that opposing fans are being treated unfairly. In fact, you stated because of this (and the previously mentioned non-score-keeping soccer folks) our country is turning into a bunch of vaginas. With me so far? Accruate to this point? Not twisting your words? Good.

Now let me ask you a question. What we're these 'vaginas' complaining about that got you so upset. Let me give you a hint:



Your words. Thier complaints. So because they agree with you (by your own admission and words), you attack them? If that's not a contradiction, just PLEASE explain what is? Just who's argument are you trying to prove anyway? This conversation is over.

:doh: For God sake!

So your accusing me of contradicting myself because I used the word hostile, and you went and got the exact definition of the word and then highlighted the word fighting, even though I clearly said no violence?

Listen, I said, and you even quoted it, no violence (which includes fighting :doh: ). But you dispute that because the definition of hostile says fighting. Nice. Well, I do think YOU feel I contradicted myself, but that is due to your own mental limitations.

I think any logical person would agree that I was clear throughout this thread.

I am finished debating it with you. I am going to continue this debate with the paper weight on my desk, because I think it will be able to comprehend conversation a lot better than you.

Nice talking with you... :shot: It has been a real pleasure... :rolleyes:

[CLBinMD]

I'm a long-time Redskin fan from England (UK).

My first love in sports is what you guys call soccer. In England in the 1950's and 60's (so I'm told) it was a joy to go to a game as there was an atmosphere of rivalry but mutual respect between the two sets of fans within the stadia.

Then in the 1970's and 80's this atmosphere turned nastier with taunting between opposing fans escalating from the occasional fight to mass organised brawling and rioting on numerous occasions both inside and outside the stadium, weapons including knives became commomplace and were often used. Fans travelled to opposing cities with the intent of having a good fight with no regard to the game. It became a dangerous activity to walk about wearing the 'wrong' colours for fear of being kicked senseless or slashed, there were also a number of deaths attributable to soccer related violence...


I was glad to see someone else bring this up as it was on my mind as well. All the self-described, "Protect OUR house" bad-asses 'round NFL stadiums have NO IDEA what hard core is!!! Pick up "Among The Thugs", "Steaming In", or "Soul Crew" if you want to see where all this stupidity ultimately leads.

If this is REALLY what you want, skip ahead to the part where the game becomes merely an excuse for the crews to get together & duke it out. At least they finally figured out that they stood the best chance of getting what they wanted by picking a time & place AWAY from the stadium. They also figured out that you don't mess with "civilians."

Leave the game to those who understand what sport is supposed to be.

Cheers,

CLBinMD

[CLBinMD]

Haha. I dont know if "suck" can be constituted as a curse word after the 2nd grade. :gaintsuck :dallasuck :eaglesuck

If you don't know, here's a little test. Walk into a bar next Friday or Saturday night, about 30 minutes before last call. Find the biggest guy in there who's obviously had a few. Walk up to him & tell him he "sucks".

Let us know how it turns out......

Cheers,

CLBinMD

[GIBBS4PREZ]

[QUOTE=fmorris]Hostile Of an enemy 1. war, warfare, fighting, combat, action, bloodshed.QUOTE]

Well I have read this whole argument and boy is it picky. Look bro, it's all fun to discuss and debate but jeeze. You are arguing this whole time over one word. Hostile.(btw it's real cute how you went and got the definition)
Just so everyone on the board knows don't use the wrong word when posting or the word police will attack.
I think Sumodat pointed out that you only see what you wanna see and this little quote of yours proves it. Try to follow me on this, you put fighting in bold but I have another word in there that could have been what sumodat meant even though it's not what you wanted to see. Action
See that, and action can mean alot of different things. Just wanted to try to help you expand your thought a little beyond what you interpret.

[HailYeah]

If you don't know, here's a little test. Walk into a bar next Friday or Saturday night, about 30 minutes before last call. Find the biggest guy in there who's obviously had a few. Walk up to him & tell him he "sucks".

Let us know how it turns out......

Cheers,

CLBinMD


I took your advice. He laughed at me for using such a childish word. No but seriously, if its so awful, if the Redskins should disapprove of it, why is it all over this official message board?? :eaglesuck :gaintsuck :dallasuck :gaintsuck :eaglesuck :dallasuck :gaintsuck

[3MoreRings]

If you don't know, here's a little test. Walk into a bar next Friday or Saturday night, about 30 minutes before last call. Find the biggest guy in there who's obviously had a few. Walk up to him & tell him he "sucks".

Let us know how it turns out......

Cheers,

CLBinMD

CLBinMD, I'm in 422, row 29, seats 1, 2, 3. Are you the father son duo that sits down there?

CLBinMD can probably attest to the general good natured rowdiness of 422, there have even been a few fights, but that's not a Skins thing, it's what happens when you take young, pumped up people and put them in close quarters. All in all I can say our section is pretty fan friendly, we talk plenty of trash, but are respectful. When I was a kid I went to an O's game with my father at Memorial Stadium and some Mets fans treated my dad like crap, it made me feel horrible and from then on I swore I would never do that to a family. My brother and best friend get extremely rowdy, mostly hitting each other after a touchdown. If you're in your 20's and an opposing fan talking trash you deserve an earful, but kids are off limits. If a son is there with his father, regardless of what team they cheer for, they need to be treated right. A dad and his son at the ballpark is a sacred thing.

[CLBinMD]

I took your advice. He laughed at me for using such a childish word. No but seriously, if its so awful, if the Redskins should disapprove of it, why is it all over this official message board??

Just because it's here doesn't mean it's right. You won't find those signs in my avatar or any of my posts. I don't participate in this chant at the stadium and I don't allow my kids to do so, either. It's slang for a sex act & directing it at someone else as a taunt is well-understood to be an extreme attempt to offend & aggitate them. Pretending otherwise is simply disingenious.

I'm not naive enough to believe I could stop others from doing so, nor would I want to if it were possible. I believe in free speech - in the market place of ideas. I'm ALL ABOUT persuation over enforcement....

If you think direct vulgar taunts at others is how to "support" your team - knock yourself out. Just don't expect everyone to agree with it or support it. And don't be shocked on that day when the wrong word goes in the right ear and it results in all kinds of problems.

Cheers,

CLBinMD

[GhostRider]

I'm a long-time Redskin fan from England (UK).

My first love in sports is what you guys call soccer. In England in the 1950's and 60's (so I'm told) it was a joy to go to a game as there was an atmosphere of rivalry but mutual respect between the two sets of fans within the stadia.

Then in the 1970's and 80's this atmosphere turned nastier with taunting between opposing fans escalating from the occasional fight to mass organised brawling and rioting on numerous occasions both inside and outside the stadium, weapons including knives became commomplace and were often used. Fans travelled to opposing cities with the intent of having a good fight with no regard to the game. It became a dangerous activity to walk about wearing the 'wrong' colours for fear of being kicked senseless or slashed, there were also a number of deaths attributable to soccer related violence.

I had always heard that US football stadia were safe places where you could go and watch a game, sit amongst the opposing fans, cheer for your team, enjoy some friendly rivalry and banter and have no fear that you would return home safely at the end of an enjoyable day of watching a wonderful sport. I had also heard that as the home team fans would outnumber the visiting fans then the away team on the pitch could expect to hear a lot of noise whilst they were on offense, which is fair enough as you've got to make something of homefield advantage.

I was lucky enough to get tickets for my first Redskins game for my 40th birthday this year. That game was at Tampa Bay so I went along with my girlfriend (who bought the tickets) and sat amongst a whole load of Bucs fans whilst wearing my Redskins shirt. I had some good conversations and friendly repartee with those Bucs fans around me, cheered for my team when they came onto the field, cheered when we scored or made a good play. All was fine until we scored our touchdown to make the score 19-21, when I stood up to cheer the touchdown somebody from about ten rows behind me threw an almost empty plastic cup of beer at me. Now the beer in the cup hit the poeple behind me and the cup hit the guy sitting in front of me, so no harm done to me :). At that point I thought "Shoot this could turn nasty", however the Bucs fans around me apologized for "that a******* behaviour - he's not a real fan". My faith was instantly restored in the American way of sports watching that I believed existed, so I cheered when we scored the two extra points. The rest of the game passed without further bad incident (apart from the misbeahving refs ! and the nois of the Bucs fans to disturb our offense ) and just as much friendly rivalry that had ensued before the aforemention unsavoury incident.

The point that I'm trying to make is that watching sports should be fun and safe for all, and if you begin to go down the road of intimidating opposing fans (rather than the opposing team) it may snowball out of control to the levels of violence seen in my country in the past few decades and watching sport then becomes no fun at all, except for those who are there just for the thrill of the violent inter-fan encounters.

So let's make Fed-Ex the noisiest most hostile stadium in the league for opposing players to visit but vent your feelings towards the field, that's where it matters. If their fans feel that they want to come too, then let them but treat them with the respect that we would want to receive when we visit their stadium to support our team. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be some rivalry and banter between fans but be careful how far it goes as I've seen first hand what can happen when good sports go bad.


Good story, I agree a sporting event should be about fun. Good natured heckling is all fun, threatning people is not. This is Washington not Philthy.

[tlk2rn]

Agreed, there is nothing wrong with good ol fashioned smack talking. And if the opposing teams fans want to fight me...so be it. I will never physically or verbally assault another person but I do believe in talking smack, and lots of it. Good old wholesome smack talk.

[slm2856]

I was glad to see someone else bring this up as it was on my mind as well. All the self-described, "Protect OUR house" bad-asses 'round NFL stadiums have NO IDEA what hard core is!!! Pick up "Among The Thugs", "Steaming In", or "Soul Crew" if you want to see where all this stupidity ultimately leads.

If this is REALLY what you want, skip ahead to the part where the game becomes merely an excuse for the crews to get together & duke it out. At least they finally figured out that they stood the best chance of getting what they wanted by picking a time & place AWAY from the stadium. They also figured out that you don't mess with "civilians."

Leave the game to those who understand what sport is supposed to be.

Cheers,

CLBinMD

I think there is a difference between "hardcore" at a football game and hardcore on the streets. I think there has only been one person defending fighting. The truth is there is going to be cussing, people drinking etc. It is a case of "it is what it is". But the word sucks.. come on, I wouldn't even describe that as vulgar.

[CLBinMD]

CLBinMD, I'm in 422, row 29, seats 1, 2, 3. Are you the father son duo that sits down there?

CLBinMD can probably attest to the general good natured rowdiness of 422, there have even been a few fights, but that's not a Skins thing, it's what happens when you take young, pumped up people and put them in close quarters. All in all I can say our section is pretty fan friendly, we talk plenty of trash, but are respectful. When I was a kid I went to an O's game with my father at Memorial Stadium and some Mets fans treated my dad like crap, it made me feel horrible and from then on I swore I would never do that to a family. My brother and best friend get extremely rowdy, mostly hitting each other after a touchdown. If you're in your 20's and an opposing fan talking trash you deserve an earful, but kids are off limits. If a son is there with his father, regardless of what team they cheer for, they need to be treated right. A dad and his son at the ballpark is a sacred thing.

I don't know that we're THE father & son duo but..... yup, I'm usually there with my boy. My wife & son took the seats up there for the Giants game & they got picked for the Deam Seats upgrade!!!!!

Which is probably the perfect segue to my last thought on the subject.....

Do you know what their favorite story was about the Dream Seats? It was NOT about being able to say whatever they wanted to Giants fans or even Giants players. NOR was it about who was insulting whom in the stands around them. RATHER, it was about yelling for the 'Skins & watching the Giants on the sidelines gesturing to each other that they couldn't execute on this play or that play because they couldn't HEAR!!

THAT's what home field advantage is all about. Not all this other junk...

Cheers,

CLBinMD

[fmorris]

[QUOTE=fmorris]Hostile Of an enemy 1. war, warfare, fighting, combat, action, bloodshed.QUOTE]

Well I have read this whole argument and boy is it picky. Look bro, it's all fun to discuss and debate but jeeze. You are arguing this whole time over one word. Hostile.(btw it's real cute how you went and got the definition)
Just so everyone on the board knows don't use the wrong word when posting or the word police will attack.
I think Sumodat pointed out that you only see what you wanna see and this little quote of yours proves it. Try to follow me on this, you put fighting in bold but I have another word in there that could have been what sumodat meant even though it's not what you wanted to see. Action
See that, and action can mean alot of different things. Just wanted to try to help you expand your thought a little beyond what you interpret.

It actually had very little to do with that one word. I was picking. Read the rest of the post, and you'll see where I was going. But it does show that word choice sets the tone for a person's intent.

Why would you bash the very people that you claim to agree with? Make any sense to you? Call them vagina's in one post, and then claim to agree with everything they say in another? :rolleyes: Maybe I am the one who doesn't get it.

[Skinz_4_life]

talking smack and all that stuff is cool, anything that deals with words is cool. anything else such as beer throwing, anything dealing with messing up a car and invadings ones space is not.

If u think we need to get rid of the u suck chants u clearly need to grow some balls

I do think we need to strike a little fear in opposing fans. look at some threads around the site people are scared to go to philly. look at the cardinal game where our fans turned an away game to a "home" game can u imagine how the cardinal team/organization must have felt.

remember the 99 home OPENER game against dallas when u can hear the dallas chant clearly on tv what an embarrasment. Dallas was calling DC their second home

we need to claim our home back, the eagles game earlier this year had to many eagle fans i dont think their will be as many skins fans in Philly as there waz philly fans in DC and we have the playoffs on the line.

[GoSkins561]

I went to 6 of the 8 games, and I must say Fed Ex isnt as bad as people are saying. I agree with the thread starter, as long as your not invading the personal space (with your body or any other objects) of a visiting teams fan than all is good. Let them have it, It is always nice to see other teams fans leaving well before the end of the game because they cant take it any more and or dont want to be around to catch the **** after the game. The fewer visiting teams fans the better, for those who choose to brave Fed Ex, I have no problem them being miserable.

[GIBBS4PREZ]

:insane:
[QUOTE=GIBBS4PREZ]

It actually had very little to do with that one word. I was picking. Read the rest of the post, and you'll see where I was going. But it does show that word choice sets the tone for a person's intent.

Why would you bash the very people that you claim to agree with? Make any sense to you? Call them vagina's in one post, and then claim to agree with everything they say in another? :rolleyes: Maybe I am the one who doesn't get it.

He doesn't agree with them.Thats the whole point. A lot of us are sick of the fans that come to the game and just sit on there hands. His whole point was saying thankyou to the people who don't just sit on there hands. He was thanking the people that stand up for the team that we love and chear for. I never once heard him thank the people that start fights or throw beer or curse around young kids. It was real simple,"I wanna thank fans for being hostile in fedEx". You for some reason saw the word hostile and got the wrong idea. I guess Sumodat should have been carrying his handy dictionary with him and then he could have used a better word. :doh: You now it is possible to heckle other fans but not to take it too far. Here's a simple question. Would you let a bunch of Cowboys fans watch the game at your house without talking trash? Would you expect that if you went to there house for the game that they wouldn't talk trash to you and heckle you if you were at there stadium?

[Taylor 36]

Very true. If I ever go to ST louis to see us play the Rams I could understand the banter back and forth but I should feel like I could take my kids to see a game without them wondering if they're going home alive or not.

It has nothing to do with testosterone. It has more to do with being an adult with restraint as opposed to being a childish freakin' idiot. Make noise, dog the opposing fans but don't curse them or get in their face and don't do it if they have kids.
:applause: I'm glad there are still people with common sense and decency still around. :cheers:

[Gracelander]

I agree with most of whats said here. I personally haven't gotten into any physical altercations, have been part of alot of shouting matches, both in the stands with an Eagles group last year or in the mens room jungle.
I can't imagine throwing things at someone regardless of what team there routing for, outside of insults. Hell most of the time believe it or not after an afternoon of back and forth banter with people around our sections we usually shake hands or exit the stadium on a good note.


:eaglesuck or should I say Eagles stink (don't want to offend)