LA Haters need to calm down.

[Waleo32]

I've heard a lot of B.S. about LA being done and so on. Lets just put this out there, how old is LA? Well let me answer that.... 27. He's had surgery that's true, and he hasn't had that same LA burst this year. Hmmm but if you know about know knee surguries, it usually takes you a year to get your "mojo" back. Edge is a prime example. He tore his ACL, when he came back he wasn't the same Edge. He didn't have his burst, he couldn't even hit the hole right. Now look at him, he's back. Now as for LA, he'll be back at full strength next year, but the funny thing is that some of you want to see him go. Now we all know when LA was in his prime there was only one LB better and thats Ray Ray. So you're telling me that you would let a 27, 28 young stud leave who could dominate opposing offenses. I'll give you the Ok!!!! :rolleyes: LaVar, playing at 85 percent is still a good LB. He wants to be here how many people say that about the skins. Don't get me wrong LA was acting like a little B#tch when he didn't get his so called 6 million (read the contract LA and agent), but to me he's been disrespected this year by certain fans and coaches. Holdman over LA is a slap in the face. Him not playing on 3rd downs is a slap in the face. All praise to Marshall but he's no LA. LaVar will be LaVar again that's a given. For some of you haters, to think otherwise is funny. We are not talking about a running back who has taken a beat, or a 35 year old player, we are talking about a 27 year old dude who had surgery on his knee. Do you really think that LA won't make a impact in this league?

[herrmag]

I don't think his ability on the field is in question. I certainly don't want to see him cut. However, I DO want to see a TEAM FIRST mentality out of him. If he's not capable of performing such a feat, I don't think he'll be here much longer. Joe Gibbs has encircled himself with "team guys". If Lavar doesn't want to get off the "me first" bus and join his teammates, he'll be finished in Washington. I hope he smartens up.

[chrisc0015]

I agree with herrmag.

[Waleo32]

I don't think his ability on the field is in question. I certainly don't want to see him cut. However, I DO want to see a TEAM FIRST mentality out of him. If he's not capable of performing such a feat, I don't think he'll be here much longer. Joe Gibbs has encircled himself with "team guys". If Lavar doesn't want to get off the "me first" bus and join his teammates, he'll be finished in Washington. I hope he smartens up.

Ok I can see where you're coming from. But to me LA is a team player, he ain't Patrick who is way above the norm. During LA's benching, all he did was compliment the dudes who were busting there @$$es on the field, even Warrick Holdman. LA is a team guy. It's easy for the average person to come out and say this that and the other, but how would you react? I know I wouldn't have handle this year as good as LA. I definitely know I wouldn't have handled it like PR. That's why I'm so proud of both of them. But in LA's situation, he had prior coaches bash him, people asking him why aren't you starting repeatedly, and then he got flat out benched seeing no time of the field. Come on now. A man can take so much. But he handle that situation as good as he could. Now the "times" come out with the article about LA. The way I looked at the situation is it's more a comment about managment than the team. I'm a big Snyder fan, but we know how he treats certain talents. What I gathered from the article was basically he basically rather retire, than play for anybody else. Instead of people trying to harp on the negative things, they should read into the commitment that he has for the team.

[Drex]

The problem that I have with Lavar is the timing of the interview that served as the basis for the story.

He has the entire offseason to speak about his feelings towards the organization. At this point, his primary focus should be the possibility of making the playoffs. This is a distraction that the team could live without as it pursues its first playoff birth this century.

[altair4]

Yeah, his commitment is "I won't restructure again."

That is "me", that is not "Team". So it may be in the best interests of both that he retire.

I won't miss him that much, he is not a vital cog in the D. I wish him well in his future endeavours....

[herrmag]

Ok I can see where you're coming from. But to me LA is a team player, he ain't Patrick who is way above the norm. During LA's benching, all he did was compliment the dudes who were busting there @$$es on the field, even Warrick Holdman. LA is a team guy. It's easy for the average person to come out and say this that and the other, but how would you react? I know I wouldn't have handle this year as good as LA. I definitely know I wouldn't have handled it like PR. That's why I'm so proud of both of them. But in LA's situation, he had prior coaches bash him, people asking him why aren't you starting repeatedly, and then he got flat out benched seeing no time of the field. Come on now. A man can take so much. But he handle that situation as good as he could. Now the "times" come out with the article about LA. The way I looked at the situation is it's more a comment about managment than the team. I'm a big Snyder fan, but we know how he treats certain talents. What I gathered from the article was basically he basically rather retire, than play for anybody else. Instead of people trying to harp on the negative things, they should read into the commitment that he has for the team.

I hear you. But do you remember that whole time he was benched, he never seemed to talk to the coaches about it? I dont' remember the exact quote, but he even went so far as to say that it shouldn't be his responsibility to go to the coaches to see why he wasn't playing, but that the coaches should come to him and explain it. It's little quirks like that which I can't understand. All he has to do is talk with the coaching staff, not the media, and he'll be fine. Maybe he'll learn his lesson this time....I hope.

[Fan4life]

LA is gone..and to be honest. to his own cockiness and being a diva.

[Waleo32]

Yeah, his commitment is "I won't restructure again."

That is "me", that is not "Team". So it may be in the best interests of both that he retire.

I won't miss him that much, he is not a vital cog in the D. I wish him well in his future endeavours....

Ok I can understand but let me play devils advocate if you feel you got cheated with your pay, and you had the opportunity to restructure your deal witht he same people what would you do. Think hard. I know 9 out of 10 people wouldn't. I think people hold celebs and athletes in the highest regards. LA is human. Just like me and you. That doesn't make him a me person. He cares for the team and the city. If LA is such of a "me" player why does his teams love him so much, or even want him on the field. Because T.O. didn't, he might have had a few followers, but all in all he didn't have a big posse.

[ntotoro]

Yeah, his commitment is "I won't restructure again."

That is "me", that is not "Team". So it may be in the best interests of both that he retire.

I won't miss him that much, he is not a vital cog in the D. I wish him well in his future endeavours....

Stop it. You're being a hater for pointing out how self-centered and childish he is... ;) :laugh:

[Waleo32]

LA is gone..and to be honest. to his own cockiness and being a diva.

Don't worry if LA comes up big against Philly or even in the Playoffs (we better beat Philly). You'll love him. Let me write down your alias so I'll remember your post.

[ntotoro]

Ok I can understand but let me play devils advocate if you feel you got cheated with your pay, and you had the opportunity to restructure your deal witht he same people what would you do.

I wouldn't invite a member of the media into my home to talk about it and print it in a newspaper. That's for damn sure.

These are the reasons people are on his case. He has the guy in his home two days after the biggest game of the year, just a few days prior to going to Philly to get a playoff berth. The team has worked way, way too hard and come back from way to freaking much to have Little Lord LaVauntleroy throw another public temper tantrum.

[redman]

Don't worry if LA comes up big against Philly or even in the Playoffs (we better beat Philly). You'll love him. Let me write down your alias so I'll remember your post.

If Lavar comes up big against Philly, I'll still want his selfish, prima donna arse out of town on a rail. Remember this post.

[Waleo32]

I wouldn't invite a member of the media into my home to talk about it and print it in a newspaper. That's for damn sure.

These are the reasons people are on his case. He has the guy in his home two days after the biggest game of the year, just a few days prior to going to Philly to get a playoff berth. The team has worked way, way too hard and come back from way to freaking much to have Little Lord LaVauntleroy throw another public temper tantrum.

I took the article a different way. Basically he'd rather retire than not be a skin. He has a problem with management not the coaches, or 53 players on the field. Management don't win games. So to me they're not the team.

[redman]

I'm curious, Waleo32, what mistakes do you believe Lavar has made during his time with our team that has contributed to the woes he laments in that interview?

[Waleo32]

If Lavar comes up big against Philly, I'll still want his selfish, prima donna arse out of town on a rail. Remember this post.

The funny thing is you all including me don't matter. The 53 players on the roster matters. And the over perception of LA in the lockerroom is the opposite from your opinion.

[Peter56s14gc]

I hear you. But do you remember that whole time he was benched, he never seemed to talk to the coaches about it? I dont' remember the exact quote, but he even went so far as to say that it shouldn't be his responsibility to go to the coaches to see why he wasn't playing, but that the coaches should come to him and explain it. It's little quirks like that which I can't understand. All he has to do is talk with the coaching staff, not the media, and he'll be fine. Maybe he'll learn his lesson this time....I hope.

well if you account his past few years... the coaches dont stick around long enough for him to talk to....:whoknows:

[Waleo32]

I'm curious, Waleo32, what mistakes do you believe Lavar has made during his time with our team that has contributed to the woes he laments in that interview?

Really only the timing of the whole thing. But I think LA was being nieve and stupid, not because he was trying to get into the lime light. I expected the story to come out one way and it came out another. Stupidity not arrogance to different things.

[Loyal2Washington]

I'm one of the so called Lavar "Haters" and here's my point of view.


He is payed playmaker money but has yet to produce plays, his last playmaker play was the sack forced fumble against the Rams in 2002. He is a me first player that hides behind the lines "taken out of context" or "I was misquoted". He had his knee scoped and they found a bone bruise, problem is bruises don't take this long to heal, ask Big Ben in Pitts., torn ligaments do, that's the Edge comparison.

Lavar is a good LB and is better then Holdman but in this day and age of football you have to produce up to your contract to stay around. If Lavar was to restructure and help the team by allowing them to adress certain areas of need then a lot of the so called "Haters" would have no argument. I want to see Lavar stay, there is a lot to be said for a player that has spent his career with the same team, but he is not an elite LB and his cap number is to big to carry just because he's a fan favorite.

In a perfect world Joe Gibbs and Lavar would kiss and make up, Lavar would return to form, and I won't have to get ride of my 4 LA jersey's but this is the buisness side of football and it sucks. LA is going to faced with a simple choice, restructure for the betterment of the team or play somewhere else. He has to also realize that he needs to become a team player and stop the dramatics.

:eaglesuck :dallasuck :gaintsuck

[ntotoro]

I took the article a different way. Basically he'd rather retire than not be a skin. He has a problem with management not the coaches, or 53 players on the field. Management don't win games. So to me they're not the team.

The point is that the interview should never have been done to begin with if this guy is really "team first."

Every little thing is a distraction.

[ntotoro]

The funny thing is you all including me don't matter. The 53 players on the roster matters. And the over perception of LA in the lockerroom is the opposite from your opinion.

Based on... ?

The real funny thing is you have no idea what people in the locker room are thinking. Unlike LaVar, they do their business in-house and not to the media.

Still think he's not crying for attention? Look how the other 52 guys handle things.

[Ynot]

As far as Lavar he has done some incredible things as a Redskins and now he has to learn to be part of the puzzle instead of the Center Piece. I am sure it was a blow to his ego to go from always being the dominate player and the scheme the defense is built around since Highschool and through College and even in the pro's to being part of a scheme were he has to stay in his area or lane instead of free lancing. this is a big change for him mentally and let alone as Rmasey he has seen many different coaches and schemes since becoming a redskin! I am sure he wants to be a redskin for life like he said and I am sure he is worried about not being here next year as he wants to be here and be part of a winner because he sure has not had that chance here. I am sure he will restructure if necessary, I am sure he does not want to be traded to San Fran or another loosing franchise and have to want for it to be rebuilt to win when he can stay put and win here and see a superbowl in the coming years, that is why he is afraid of being traded!

[Fan4life]

Don't worry if LA comes up big against Philly or even in the Playoffs (we better beat Philly). You'll love him. Let me write down your alias so I'll remember your post.



If your see my other posts. I've been a LA supporter since College. But I have learn and seen how this has turn out.

like I said. there are 3 players with serious issues this season.
LA
Ramsey
Taylor

Guess who is the biggest cry baby. LA. I can list the issues just for this season but I wont. I still wish that LA will stay and wake the F@@K up. but you know..you cant teach an Old DIVA DOG new tricks. key word..DIVA. HE's been a spoiled brat his whole life. And to his defense. He was a GReAT player. but that alone does not warrant you to be put infront of the other 10 men on your defensive UNIT or the other 52men roster. Who is LA..last I check he wasnt healing anyone. :cheers:
HAIL SKINS. bring one home fo rus all. LA or not!~

[redman]

Really only the timing of the whole thing. But I think LA was being nieve and stupid, not because he was trying to get into the lime light. I expected the story to come out one way and it came out another. Stupidity not arrogance to different things.

So the only thing that Lavar's done wrong in his time with the 'Skins to contribute to the present situation is selecting the timing of this interview? In other words the substance of the interview is fine, and he's done everything else on and off the field right?

[Waleo32]

Based on... ?

The real funny thing is you have no idea what people in the locker room are thinking. Unlike LaVar, they do their business in-house and not to the media.

Still think he's not crying for attention? Look how the other 52 guys handle things.

Based on interviews. Shawn Springs and Jansen talked about it on Monday Night Live. And even SportsNite during LA's benching that the team rallied for him to return to the line up. Would a team rally for a me first player, I don't think so. Like I said earlier some people hold athlete's in there highest regards. No body on the team had to go through what LA has this season. So it isn't a real good comparison. The only person that comes to mind has to be Ramsey. And to me Ramsey isn't the norm. He might of asked for a trade but no one that I can remember has handle this kind of situation as classy as Ramsey.

[slm2856]

If Lavar comes up big against Philly, I'll still want his selfish, prima donna arse out of town on a rail. Remember this post.

I don't think of him being selfish. He could of caused alot more drama with this contract dispute as well as the fact that he wasn't playing. It had to be frustrating for him and I think he handled it okay. The fact that he might retire than play with another team says enough for me.

[TheSteve]

Based on... ?

The real funny thing is you have no idea what people in the locker room are thinking. Unlike LaVar, they do their business in-house and not to the media.

Still think he's not crying for attention? Look how the other 52 guys handle things.

Throughout the whole benching saga, you could tell the players wanted Arrington on the field. I haven't heard or seen anything to suggest they are as put out with Arrington as you are.

[Fan4life]

I m just happy we have the management and coaching staff to make the tough calls.
shoot I was the first to say..holy ****..the coles let go was rough. but when Santana's name came up. I loved it. I remember how much I wanted santana to be drafted. BUt we picked up Gardner 1 spot ahead. But it has worked out well thanks to the new management and coaches. I'll trust them..even if it means our # 1 pick LA will be gone.

[44RedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Fan4life
LA is gone..and to be honest. to his own cockiness and being a diva.






Don't worry if LA comes up big against Philly or even in the Playoffs (we better beat Philly). You'll love him. Let me write down your alias so I'll remember your post.



I Agree With You "Waleo32"

[red zone]

I don't think his ability on the field is in question. I certainly don't want to see him cut. However, I DO want to see a TEAM FIRST mentality out of him. If he's not capable of performing such a feat, I don't think he'll be here much longer. Joe Gibbs has encircled himself with "team guys". If Lavar doesn't want to get off the "me first" bus and join his teammates, he'll be finished in Washington. I hope he smartens up.

I've never seen LaVar as a selfish, "me first" type player. He's just a guy who knows he has a ton of talent and he wants to be able to use it in way which helps the team win. When he is cast into rolls and packages which do not best utilize his talent, he gets frustrated, as well he should. He's far to athletic and far to pricey to be a roll player. Anyone who has watched football can see that. It's also obvious he is not a good fit in Gregg Williams D; which I believe is intentional. They don't want to pay LaVar so they create situations for him in which he can not excel. If GW wanted to maximize LA's talent, he'd have him at MLB.

More importantly this is entirely a media driven controversy, stirred up to sell some ragedy news paper. The 'Skins are winning and the Times is annoyed.

[Peter56s14gc]

really... this is digusting... lets focus at the issue at hand which is philly and the playoff. I understand that we have nothing else to do until game day but this is stupid.

Me, i have always been a lavar fan, but a skin fan way before lavar got here... i will support any Redskin player. Some of you will just have to support our players not as individuals but as redskins.

Really no one knew that coles wanted out until we traded him.

but at least you know lavar is a skin and will alwayz want to be.

No offense, but when healthy, Lavar is that "playmaker". unless you are a football player, a coach, or can do what lavar does, theres is no validity in your statement.

One thing we all know he wants to be here and when he is healthy he will perform to expectation.

keep in mind the past years before gibbs, he couldnt really talk to coaches because they would be gone the next year. Not making an excuse for lavar.

he is the only one left from the dark days of the skins. He be around till now for some reason. because without him we were 6-10 with, with him and no gibbs and team chemistry we were still 6-10. so think about it when you say we dont need him.

He was able to impact with a horrible team, what makes you think that he wont make a impact with a good team.

[ntotoro]

Based on interviews. Shawn Springs and Jansen talked about it on Monday Night Live. And even SportsNite during LA's benching that the team rallied for him to return to the line up. Would a team rally for a me first player, I don't think so. Like I said earlier some people hold athlete's in there highest regards.

I saw that. Springs also said that LaVar knew what he had to do to get back on the field, contrary to what LaVar was saying to his biggest apologist, John Thompson. I'm sure they do think he's a capable player on the field, but this isn't about that. It's about telling him to finally just shut up and learn to cope when the attention isn't always on him.

Regardless, you can't compare/contrast that situation to/with this one. Speaking out once or twice they can probably deal with because he supposedly kissed and made up with everyone. Two days after their biggest game as a team and this guy is whining like he has the world's worst menstrual cramp, though... ? After being a starter? After playing well? That has to take a toll on the guys. Why then? Why now?


No body on the team had to go through what LA has this season. So it isn't a real good comparison. The only person that comes to mind has to be Ramsey. And to me Ramsey isn't the norm. He might of asked for a trade but no one that I can remember has handle this kind of situation as classy as Ramsey.

Ramsey is doing what a man is expected to do and what a man is supposed to do. LaVar is doing what a child does. Maybe it's the Sicilian in me that has always been brought up to take care of family business in-house, but I can appreciate that far more than some guy crying because his vagina hurts.

[redman]

The fact that he might retire than play with another team says enough for me.

Or it might mean that he's not as passionate about the game as some other players are, no?

[Fan4life]

here is where I get stuck at.

lets compare M. Washington to LA.

Both drafted same year. I beleive MW was in the 2nd round. But do you all ever hear MW cause any issues or complaints. That is where iM stuck at with LA. it just seem as he is all about KEEPING LA happy. Whether its the contract, defensive schemes, playing time, News article...blah blah. he has something to get deep or make emotional every damn time. It makes no sense. Than you have players like MW that just goes out and does his job WAY beyond expectation. And you dont hear a word from them.
so tell me all who do yo uwant on your team. TALENT anD Potential hasnt gotten us much in years. fyi.

[ZoEd]

I don't think his ability on the field is in question. I certainly don't want to see him cut. However, I DO want to see a TEAM FIRST mentality out of him. If he's not capable of performing such a feat, I don't think he'll be here much longer. Joe Gibbs has encircled himself with "team guys". If Lavar doesn't want to get off the "me first" bus and join his teammates, he'll be finished in Washington. I hope he smartens up.

Everyone on this board acts like they are buddy buddy with JG and knows what goes on at Redskin Park. You mean to tell me John Riggins was team first? He was an egomaniac and was still the greatest rb to ever play for the Skins. You can't tell me JG has never had me first players. That's bullcrap! Furthermore how is telling how you feel me first anyway? Lavar and Ramsey both have been treated like crap and should be pissed off. Lavar verbalizes Patrick doesn't. I guess a team first player should eat crap all day from the organization and say absolutely nothing. Team first, that's a joke. The politics that go on with this team are fitting being they're in DC with all the other political BS. Just let the boys play ball and if they want to run their mouths a little who cares, nothing he said affects this team!

[Waleo32]

If your see my other posts. I've been a LA supporter since College. But I have learn and seen how this has turn out.

like I said. there are 3 players with serious issues this season.
LA
Ramsey
Taylor

Guess who is the biggest cry baby. LA. I can list the issues just for this season but I wont. I still wish that LA will stay and wake the F@@K up. but you know..you cant teach an Old DIVA DOG new tricks. key word..DIVA. HE's been a spoiled brat his whole life. And to his defense. He was a GReAT player. but that alone does not warrant you to be put infront of the other 10 men on your defensive UNIT or the other 52men roster. Who is LA..last I check he wasnt healing anyone. :cheers:
HAIL SKINS. bring one home fo rus all. LA or not!~

First off I like being the only one supporting LA in this thread; it's fun. Diva, some of you all are too funny. If LA's diva, who's CP, who's ST, this can go on and on. If CP got benched for Rock how would he handle it? If ST was established and lets say Ade Jimoh started how would he handle it? Hell Shawn Springs got benched for Jimoh how would he handle it? It happen to LA the most popular skin in the area. Think about it, it could have been a lot worse. Like I said if anyone one of you where 3 time pro bowlers and got benched f#ck, if ya'll didn't even see the field, and reporters asking you a rack of different questions how would you respond? Think about it. It's easy to trash this dude but really put yourself in his shoes.

[ntotoro]

Or it might mean that he's not as passionate about the game as some other players are, no?

Exactly.

Barry Sanders knew when his heart was no longer in it, too.

[Fan4life]

thats what you are not seeing. LA makes it seems as the world of football owes him something since he made 3 pro bowl.. oh for god sake. last I check we had 1 8-8 season with him on the team as the PLAYMAKER. Suer LA does make a difference on a defense when he plays and keep shis mouth shut. but the problem is he feel as he DESERVES to say what he wants any time. Again I will say this. Last I check FooTBALL IS A TEAM Sport. REason RAMSEY didnt speak up. He is a professional. WhicH LA Isnt whether you beleive it or not. ANd last I check The redskins have treated LA to a nice life and given him enough to buy a 20,000 house. I guess life is really rough on LA to do what he does I guess. Sad thing is...I hate that he has all the POTENTIAL to be a GREAT player...freaking great. canyou say Andre Collins again.

[Waleo32]

here is where I get stuck at.

lets compare M. Washington to LA.

Both drafted same year. I beleive MW was in the 2nd round. But do you all ever hear MW cause any issues or complaints. That is where iM stuck at with LA. it just seem as he is all about KEEPING LA happy. Whether its the contract, defensive schemes, playing time, News article...blah blah. he has something to get deep or make emotional every damn time. It makes no sense. Than you have players like MW that just goes out and does his job WAY beyond expectation. And you dont hear a word from them.
so tell me all who do yo uwant on your team. TALENT anD Potential hasnt gotten us much in years. fyi.

A Marcus Washington for how good he is, isn't the most popular player in the area. B Marcus Washington hasn't had any adversity to go through? So I don't understand comparison. When LA was a 3 time pro bowler you didn't hear sh#t, so why would MW say anything when nothing negative is in his radar? Maybe you can explain...

[Waleo32]

thats what you are not seeing. LA makes it seems as the world of football owes him something since he made 3 pro bowl.. oh for god sake. last I check we had 1 8-8 season with him on the team as the PLAYMAKER. Suer LA does make a difference on a defense when he plays and keep shis mouth shut. but the problem is he feel as he DESERVES to say what he wants any time. Again I will say this. Last I check FooTBALL IS A TEAM Sport. REason RAMSEY didnt speak up. He is a professional. WhicH LA Isnt whether you beleive it or not. ANd last I check The redskins have treated LA to a nice life and given him enough to buy a 20,000 house. I guess life is really rough on LA to do what he does I guess. Sad thing is...I hate that he has all the POTENTIAL to be a GREAT player...freaking great. canyou say Andre Collins again.

Sorry to tell you Ramsey is the exception to the rule. No body period handles that better than Ramsey. So Joe Montana must have been a punk to because it was well know that he didn't agree with the benching. He wasn't quite about it. But hey Joe's a cry baby. Some of us are getting ahead of ourselves.

[herrmag]

Everyone on this board acts like they are buddy buddy with JG and knows what goes on at Redskin Park. You mean to tell me John Riggins was team first? He was an egomaniac and was still the greatest rb to ever play for the Skins. You can't tell me JG has never had me first players. That's bullcrap! Furthermore how is telling how you feel me first anyway? Lavar and Ramsey both have been treated like crap and should be pissed off. Lavar verbalizes Patrick doesn't. I guess a team first player should eat crap all day from the organization and say absolutely nothing. Team first, that's a joke. The politics that go on with this team are fitting being they're in DC with all the other political BS. Just let the boys play ball and if they want to run their mouths a little who cares, nothing he said affects this team!

What is the first thing that Joe Gibbs said to the team last year? If you don't want to be on this team, come see me, and we'll see what we can do. Who spoke up? Who'd we get in a trade? If Lavar has issues with his role on the team, all he had to do was speak with a coach. Instead, he wanted THEM to come to HIM. They owed him. Why did they owe him anything but a paycheck?

Riggins was DEFINITELY a prima donna. No doubt. But aside from making an ass of himself in public, did he really go running to the media about the Redskins' organization and how they are screwing him over (honestly, I have no idea if he did)? I always figured he was too busy hitting on Supreme Court Justices and relieving himself in the White House. :laugh:

LA and PR are both still collecting a paycheck. Nowhere in their contracts does it stipulate that they must start. PR handled the situation with class, which may just be an indication of his superior intellect since he knows he'll be on the trading block and doesn't want to be labelled a "cancer". Lavar inviting a reporter to his home a week before the biggest game of the year to air the organization's dirty laundry DOES IN FACT show his "me first" mentality. He didn't have to do it this week. He could've waited. Even if this interview had no impact on the team, why risk it?

[redman]

You know what's coming back to me right now? The memory that there was only one player who was cool to the idea of Joe Gibbs coming back to coach the 'Skins. That player was Lavar Arrington. To him, it was just another coaching change, even though other guys who'd been through just as much with the team like Jansen and Samuels were all excited.

I remember wondering at the time why it was that Lavar was so lukewarm, but I have a theory now. Either consciously or unconsciously, the changeover in coaches and defensive schemes has allowed Lavar to blame his lack of discipline on coaching rather than himself. He could even to a large degree question the credentials of those same coaches. Not anymore.

The truth is that Lavar has been exposed as just one more guy who has phenomenal athletic talent, but who has relied almost exclusively on that athleticism rather than his work ethic and dedication to his team and to the game to succeed.

We for the last two years have had a side-by-side comparison of two guys who are just as athletically gifted compared to the others around them - even at the NFL level they are head and shoulders athletically above other players: Lavar and Sean Taylor. The difference? Taylor works his butt off to become more disciplined and play within the scheme. He's even admitted mistakes such as missing the offseason work and says he'll be there next year. Lavar just finds more reasons to excuse his underachieving self, and those other reasons inevitably involve other people.

[ntotoro]

A Marcus Washington for how good he is, isn't the most popular player in the area. B Marcus Washington hasn't had any adversity to go through? So I don't understand comparison. When LA was a 3 time pro bowler you didn't hear sh#t, so why would MW say anything when nothing negative is in his radar? Maybe you can explain...

This mess all started late in '03 after his new contract.

LaVar hasn't been to a Pro Bowl since Coach Gibbs' arrival. Marcus has. I don't care how many jersey's LaVar sells, he hasn't produced like Marcus.

[Waleo32]

I saw that. Springs also said that LaVar knew what he had to do to get back on the field, contrary to what LaVar was saying to his biggest apologist, John Thompson. I'm sure they do think he's a capable player on the field, but this isn't about that. It's about telling him to finally just shut up and learn to cope when the attention isn't always on him.

Regardless, you can't compare/contrast that situation to/with this one. Speaking out once or twice they can probably deal with because he supposedly kissed and made up with everyone. Two days after their biggest game as a team and this guy is whining like he has the world's worst menstrual cramp, though... ? After being a starter? After playing well? That has to take a toll on the guys. Why then? Why now?



Ramsey is doing what a man is expected to do and what a man is supposed to do. LaVar is doing what a child does. Maybe it's the Sicilian in me that has always been brought up to take care of family business in-house, but I can appreciate that far more than some guy crying because his vagina hurts.

I'm going to say this one more time I only had a problem with the timing not the content.

[herrmag]

If LA's diva, who's CP, who's ST, this can go on and on. If CP got benched for Rock how would he handle it?

Seems to me that CP packed on weight and bought into the system. He was there in the offseason trying to make himself fit a system. He worked overtime to ensure he didn't lose his role on the team.

[Waleo32]

This mess all started late in '03 after his new contract.

LaVar hasn't been to a Pro Bowl since Coach Gibbs' arrival. Marcus has. I don't care how many jersey's LaVar sells, he hasn't produced like Marcus.


Like I said you can't compare the two. Marcus Washington is playing healthy, LA's not. I mean hell Tiki Barber was better than Edge when Edge was hurt, but that doesn't mean he's a better back when both are healthy.

[ntotoro]

I'm going to say this one more time I only had a problem with the timing not the content.

Then that's the difference between you and me.

A man takes care of his business in-house. A child screams to anyone who will listen.

[Fan4life]

"The truth is that Lavar has been exposed as just one more guy who has phenomenal athletic talent, but who has relied almost exclusively on that athleticism rather than his work ethic and dedication to his team and to the game to succeed. "

"This mess all started late in '03 after his new contract.

LaVar hasn't been to a Pro Bowl since Coach Gibbs' arrival. Marcus has. I don't care how many jersey's LaVar sells, he hasn't produced like Marcus"


THANK YOU...some of you make it seems as we havent been fair to LA. JG said it simple as above quote. "DONT EMBARRASS THE ORGANIZATION." I guess that exclude LA since he is such a stud, 3 time Probowler..? explain that to this fanatic?

[Waleo32]

Seems to me that CP packed on weight and bought into the system. He was there in the offseason trying to make himself fit a system. He worked overtime to ensure he didn't lose his role on the team.


He did but wasn't he complaining most of last year though?

[Fan4life]

"Then that's the difference between you and me.

A man takes care of his business in-house. A child screams to anyone who will listen."


Exactly...a man learns that as he age. LA still think he is the Parade ALL AMerican player he once was in Highschool and expect the same selfish treating. Last I remember he hasnt had a FULL season since 2003yr.

[ntotoro]

Like I said you can't compare the two. Marcus Washington is playing healthy, LA's not. I mean hell Tiki Barber was better than Edge when Edge was hurt, but that doesn't mean he's a better back when both are healthy.

That means it's ok for him to run and scream to the papers and radio? Hell, Sean Taylor may go to jail next year (albeit not likely) and is still more worried about how to fit into this Defense and make plays within its structure than whining and moaning.

Marcus has performed, LaVar hasn't. Ultimately, that's the bottom line.

[ntotoro]

He did but wasn't he complaining most of last year though?

After the Cleveland game. Notice that was the only time you heard him say anything about the schemes, playcalling or whatever. Coles had a childish outburst the day after the Minnesota game last year and directed everyone to "talk to his agent" if they had questions.

This is is how much for LaVar now... ?

[herrmag]

He did but wasn't he complaining most of last year though?

I definitely wouldn't say MOST. I remember the comments about how defenses were calling the plays (that was CP, right?). After that, I don't think we heard much from CP. Also, there's no doubt that players talk to the media and say things inappropriate. However, they are warned once it happens. I'm sure Lavar has been warned over and over and over again. He just doesn't care.

[Fan4life]

I got one for ya also concerning his health.
IN 2004 season.. during his injury and missing most of the season. Coaches wanted to treat the situation right and let the star player heal and come back right. but what does the STAR player do. HE goes off and tell the media the SKINS and coaches are holding him back. And looked what happen. He ended up getting injured worse and the same injury that has lingered through this season.
So the whole thing is this. NO one seem to win with LA. how ironic.

[redman]

Sorry to tell you Ramsey is the exception to the rule. No body period handles that better than Ramsey. So Joe Montana must have been a punk to because it was well know that he didn't agree with the benching. He wasn't quite about it. But hey Joe's a cry baby. Some of us are getting ahead of ourselves.

I seem to recall off the top of my head Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Mark Rypien, Tiki Barber, Warrick Dunn, and Phillip Rivers, all in the last 15-17 years getting benched in favor of other, lesser lights and not making a stink out of it. It ain't just Ramsey.

I don't know much about Rivers, but as for the rest they're universally regarded as classy professionals, and many of them are either in the HoF or headed there, or else were MVP's of important games or All Pro's, if not all of the above. Lavar's not in their class.

[Waleo32]

After the Cleveland game. Notice that was the only time you heard him say anything about the schemes, playcalling or whatever. Coles had a childish outburst the day after the Minnesota game last year and directed everyone to "talk to his agent" if they had questions.

This is is how much for LaVar now... ?

CP complained more than once. He even snapped at B Mitch. It doesn't matter because some of you just want the dude of out town. Some of you are right to a degree that he should know when to talk. Like this comment right here you cuz out of town. Because if you said CP complained once then we should already know where you stand.

[Fan4life]

WE all love LA for his POTENTIAL and some flashes of his probowl days. But I just hate that dreaded word..."POTENTIAL".

[herrmag]

CP complained more than once. He even snapped at B Mitch. It doesn't matter because some of you just want the dude of out town. Some of you are right to a degree that he should know when to talk. Like this comment right here you cuz out of town. Because if you said CP complained once then we should already know where you stand.

In CP's defense of the B Mitch incident....Didn't Mitchell call him out?

As for wanting LA out of town....Did anyone want him out of town prior to this year? Honestly, anyone? He just won't shut up. It's really that simple. If he would handle his business within the organization, nobody would say anything about him. Why can't he just shut up?

[Peter56s14gc]

i dont see where this embarrasses the organization. it is just that he has some personal disputes with FO.

Embarrasment? not likely, fans making it more of a big deal than it is... very likely.

lets just focus on philly.

[ntotoro]

CP complained more than once. He even snapped at B Mitch. It doesn't matter because some of you just want the dude of out town.

He did not publicly complain more than once. That's just plain wrong. It was one time right after the Cleveland game. He took his medicine, kept on fighting and look where he is now. LaVar could learn from that, but won't.

Portis snapped at Mitchell because Mitchell said he (Portis) had no heart. That has nothing to do with playcalling, the team or whatever. Don't try to make up stuff just to support whatever point you're trying to present.

[Waleo32]

I seem to recall off the top of my head Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Mark Rypien, Tiki Barber, Warrick Dunn, and Phillip Rivers, all in the last 15-17 years getting benched in favor of other, lesser lights and not making a stink out of it. It ain't just Ramsey.

I don't know much about Rivers, but as for the rest they're universally regarded as classy professionals, and many of them are either in the HoF or headed there, or else were MVP's of important games or All Pro's, if not all of the above. Lavar's not in their class.

Big Difference. Troy Aikmen age and health, Marcus Allen was old, Steve Young benched for who.... must have been age... , Mark Rypien enough said, Tiki Barber didn't like benching he spoke about it. Phillip Rivers is playing behind a probowler. Again the situation is totally different. Like I said it's Ramsey. Before you pick any player break down the circumstances. Don't just say this that and the other.

[Waleo32]

He did not publicly complain more than once. That's just plain wrong. It was one time right after the Cleveland game. He took his medicine, kept on fighting and look where he is now. LaVar could learn from that, but won't.

Portis snapped at Mitchell because Mitchell said he (Portis) had no heart. That has nothing to do with playcalling, the team or whatever. Don't try to make up stuff just to support whatever point you're trying to present.

Ok then you're better suited to say how will LA react next year. Because CP had a year to get over it.

[TomE]

I don't think his ability on the field is in question. I certainly don't want to see him cut. However, I DO want to see a TEAM FIRST mentality out of him. If he's not capable of performing such a feat, I don't think he'll be here much longer. Joe Gibbs has encircled himself with "team guys". If Lavar doesn't want to get off the "me first" bus and join his teammates, he'll be finished in Washington. I hope he smartens up. Exactly :applause:

Lavar, in my view, is a relic of the "star system" mentality perpetuated by the Skins of the pre Gibbs-2 era..... he is troubled by or incapable of adapting to the "team system" that Gibbs demands. His actions (isolated Rocky-posing on the field, ill-timed dirty-laundry-in-public interviews) indicate, to me, that he is still playing to the fans and not playing for the fans.

He may have just played his "fans love me" card for the last time.

Hope he finds his on-field "mojo" big-time or he'll end up with "mo'Joe" than he can handle.

[Waleo32]

i dont see where this embarrasses the organization. it is just that he has some personal disputes with FO.

Embarrasment? not likely, fans making it more of a big deal than it is... very likely.

lets just focus on philly.

Thank you!!!!! :notworthy

[zoony]

You know what's coming back to me right now? The memory that there was only one player who was cool to the idea of Joe Gibbs coming back to coach the 'Skins. That player was Lavar Arrington. To him, it was just another coaching change, even though other guys who'd been through just as much with the team like Jansen and Samuels were all excited.

I remember wondering at the time why it was that Lavar was so lukewarm, but I have a theory now. Either consciously or unconsciously, the changeover in coaches and defensive schemes has allowed Lavar to blame his lack of discipline on coaching rather than himself. He could even to a large degree question the credentials of those same coaches. Not anymore.

The truth is that Lavar has been exposed as just one more guy who has phenomenal athletic talent, but who has relied almost exclusively on that athleticism rather than his work ethic and dedication to his team and to the game to succeed.

We for the last two years have had a side-by-side comparison of two guys who are just as athletically gifted compared to the others around them - even at the NFL level they are head and shoulders athletically above other players: Lavar and Sean Taylor. The difference? Taylor works his butt off to become more disciplined and play within the scheme. He's even admitted mistakes such as missing the offseason work and says he'll be there next year. Lavar just finds more reasons to excuse his underachieving self, and those other reasons inevitably involve other people.

wow.

I would only add that Lavar... at least to me... sums up everything that had plagued this franchise pre-Joe Gibbs. All talent, no heart and no brains.

........

[ntotoro]

Ok then you're better suited to say how will LA react next year. Because CP had a year to get over it.

The Cleveland game was early last season. CP has worked ever since then, including last year, to increase his production in the Offense. Not just this year. What has Sybil Arrington ever done to indicate the same kind of turnaround? You think everything's warm and cozy, the 'Skins win four in a row and are on the verge of the playoffs, then BAM!!! Dude has an interview like this two days after their biggest win as a team.

He has given zero indication he will do what it takes to turn it around. Zilch. Nada. Niente.

[redman]

Big Difference. Troy Aikmen age and health, Marcus Allen was old, Steve Young benched for who.... must have been age... , Mark Rypien enough said, Tiki Barber didn't like benching he spoke about it. Phillip Rivers is playing behind a probowler. Again the situation is totally different. Like I said it's Ramsey. Before you pick any player break down the circumstances. Don't just say this that and the other.

Marcus Allen was not old when Al Davis was messing with his career - he was in his prime. Troy Aikman - the top pick in the draft - was benched in favor of Steve Walsh! Rypien was stuck behind Doug Williams when it was clear Rypien was the future and Williams was done. Learn your history. Those players are professionals.

You, like Lavar, are better at coming up with excuses than you are with justification. Sorry, but it's not flying.

Lavar's a big baby, not a professional who respects anything about his team and the game he plays.

[ZoEd]

What is the first thing that Joe Gibbs said to the team last year? If you don't want to be on this team, come see me, and we'll see what we can do. Who spoke up? Who'd we get in a trade? If Lavar has issues with his role on the team, all he had to do was speak with a coach. Instead, he wanted THEM to come to HIM. They owed him. Why did they owe him anything but a paycheck?

Riggins was DEFINITELY a prima donna. No doubt. But aside from making an ass of himself in public, did he really go running to the media about the Redskins' organization and how they are screwing him over (honestly, I have no idea if he did)? I always figured he was too busy hitting on Supreme Court Justices and relieving himself in the White House. :laugh:

LA and PR are both still collecting a paycheck. Nowhere in their contracts does it stipulate that they must start. PR handled the situation with class, which may just be an indication of his superior intellect since he knows he'll be on the trading block and doesn't want to be labelled a "cancer". Lavar inviting a reporter to his home a week before the biggest game of the year to air the organization's dirty laundry DOES IN FACT show his "me first" mentality. He didn't have to do it this week. He could've waited. Even if this interview had no impact on the team, why risk it?

When Gibbs came back and asked if you didn't want to be here did he point at Lavar and say oh by the way you'll be riding the pine and you need to quit whinning about your 6.5million Danny boy is getting pissed. Probably not.

Also I don't think Mr Cooke ran his organization the way Danny boy runs his, he put Lavar on this pedestal and made a lot of money doing it. More #56 jerseys sold than any other player in the league, at one time probably not now.

Then JG comes in and doesn't play that prodigal son crap and Lavar's world comes tumbling down. Not once did he bash the organazation when Danny was going through coaches like he does a box of cigars, because even then he was the face of the team. JG comes in with a team first mentality, rightfully so, and Lavar's the odd man out. Danny created this monstrosity and now he want's to turn his back on it and hopes it goes away.

Definitely think we would be seeing a totally different player if he would have had a coach like JG or Marvin Lewis his entire career. Hall of Famer possibly.

[TheSteve]

Big Difference. Troy Aikmen age and health, Marcus Allen was old, Steve Young benched for who.... must have been age... , Mark Rypien enough said, Tiki Barber didn't like benching he spoke about it. Phillip Rivers is playing behind a probowler. Again the situation is totally different. Like I said it's Ramsey. Before you pick any player break down the circumstances. Don't just say this that and the other.

Exactly, as if Patrick Ramsey being benched for an old veteran who prior to the season had played AWFUL the prior year and had an okay preseason against backups and scrubs is equateable to Phillip Rivers being benched for Drew Brees who beat him out in a preseason competition and then went on to the Pro Bowl. Not to mention Rivers was a rookie in his first year and Brees was the incumbent. In this case, Ramsey was the incumbent and was replaced twice by a veteran with no history to the team. It has all panned out, but to try to downplay the situation is somewhat rediculous.

[herrmag]

When Gibbs came back and asked if you didn't want to be here did he point at Lavar and say oh by the way you'll be riding the pine and you need to quit whinning about your 6.5million Danny boy is getting pissed. Probably not.

Also I don't think Mr Cooke ran his organization the way Danny boy runs his, he put Lavar on this pedestal and made a lot of money doing it. More #56 jerseys sold than any other player in the league, at one time probably not now.

Then JG comes in and doesn't play that prodigal son crap and Lavar's world comes tumbling down. Not once did he bash the organazation when Danny was going through coaches like he does a box of cigars, because even then he was the face of the team. JG comes in with a team first mentality, rightfully so, and Lavar's the odd man out. Danny created this monstrosity and now he want's to turn his back on it and hopes it goes away.

Definitely think we would be seeing a totally different player if he would have had a coach like JG or Marvin Lewis his entire career. Hall of Famer possibly.

I hear you, but LA is a grown man, and he must be responsible for his actions. But, I do see your point. Good post.

[Waleo32]

The Cleveland game was early last season. CP has worked ever since then, including last year, to increase his production in the Offense. Not just this year. What has Sybil Arrington ever done to indicate the same kind of turnaround? You think everything's warm and cozy, the 'Skins win four in a row and are on the verge of the playoffs, then BAM!!! Dude has an interview like this two days after their biggest win as a team.

He has given zero indication he will do what it takes to turn it around. Zilch. Nada. Niente.

Ok like I said see how LA reacts in Philly! He'll have a chip on his shoulder. I'm not going predict any gaudy numbers, but he'll have his impact. Then the board will put up positive LA comments, then certain LA haters will hibernate. I just think some of you all don't like the dude. It's understand people hated Champ. I didn't until he said he didn't want to be here. LA wants to be here. But people hate, it happens. I understand people want LA to be a good little house boy right. I feel you. When cuz is ghost and he has that LA year people will say damn. I'll just be angry as hell. But some of y'all will say "Damn we had that dude".

[ZoEd]

I honestly think the best thing for Lavar to do is restructure his contract to help the team and get on board the Super Bowl train. This team will make it to the big show under JG and Lavar needs to get on board while the gettins good. I just hope he sees that before it's too late.

[Waleo32]

He did not publicly complain more than once. That's just plain wrong. It was one time right after the Cleveland game. He took his medicine, kept on fighting and look where he is now. LaVar could learn from that, but won't.

Portis snapped at Mitchell because Mitchell said he (Portis) had no heart. That has nothing to do with playcalling, the team or whatever. Don't try to make up stuff just to support whatever point you're trying to present.


It was more than no heart sir. B Mitch said a lot he said he was patient, not a Joe Gibbs Back, do want anymore. I know what I'm talking about. Portis was complaining about how the line isn't a smash mouth line we need to this that and above. Hell we need to stop running counters and zone block. I mean what else do you want?

[Waleo32]

I honestly think the best thing for Lavar to do is restructure his contract to help the team and get on board the Super Bowl train. This team will make it to the big show under JG and Lavar needs to get on board while the gettins good. I just hope he sees that before it's too late.

I think he should consider restructing his contract.

[FightForOldDC21]

i agree man
lavar is the man

[ntotoro]

It was more than no heart sir. B Mitch said a lot he said he was patient, not a Joe Gibbs Back, do want anymore. I know what I'm talking about. Portis was complaining about how the line isn't a smash mouth line we need to this that and above. Hell we need to stop running counters and zone block. I mean what else do you want?

Portis said he wasn't Jamal Lewis. That has nothing to do with Mitchell. Mitchell called him out and said he had no heart. That had nothing to do with the plays. The staff told Portis to have faith and now look. Portis turned it around and look how he's running. Look what he can do. He's by far a better all-around back than in Denver, even if his yardage isn't the same.

LaVar has shown no sign of being able to turn it around. He says everything's fine & dandy, then he gives this absurd interview (Monday) and has the nerve to say (last night on Comcast) that he thought this was all behind us.

WTF?!?!??

That is why his jersey should now say "Sybil" instead of Arrington.

He was much happier being the face of a losing team and has shown no sign of ditching this "me first" attitude while everyone else has learned to play as a team.

[flexxskins]

I have always been a LaVar fan when he is on the field. But I often find myself having to force myself to agree with the decisions that he makes off of the field.

LaVar on the field has the talent of making the most simple tackles look brutal. He doesn't just tackle by bringing/taking the ball carrier down, LaVar man-handles and forces the ball carrier to the ground so quickly that it most always looks like he is body slamming his opponent. However, some of the moves that he makes with regards to the media have left me exhausted from trying to defend his actions and words to people who think that he is a cancer and a detriment to the team. By once again inviting the press into his home and solely talking about himself is just a move that I am not going to defend. Although I am a huge LaVar Arrington fan, let's not get it twisted, I am an even bigger and first and for most a Washington Redskins fan. This was a poor topic and very very poor timing for alot of what was said to be said.

I think that along with the great practices that LaVar was having and much reformed attitude, the fact that he would only speak to the press about the Redskins and the positive steps that they are making each week AS A TEAM is what got him back onto the field. Now that some of these quotes were made, it will be interesting to see if LaVar will continue to start as weak side LB. Half of me wants to believe that LaVar invited the press into his home to discuss the team and its chances this week against the Eagles, but the other half of me can't help but think that OMG, here he goes again!

[Waleo32]

Portis said he wasn't Jamal Lewis. That has nothing to do with Mitchell. Mitchell called him out and said he had no heart. That had nothing to do with the plays. The staff told Portis to have faith and now look. Portis turned it around and look how he's running. Look what he can do. He's by far a better all-around back than in Denver, even if his yardage isn't the same.

LaVar has shown no sign of being able to turn it around. He says everything's fine & dandy, then he gives this absurd interview (Monday) and has the nerve to say (last night on Comcast) that he thought this was all behind us.

WTF?!?!??

That is why his jersey should now say "Sybil" instead of Arrington.

He was much happier being the face of a losing team and has shown no sign of ditching this "me first" attitude while everyone else has learned to play as a team.

You can spin it all you want last year CP wasn't the typical team guy. This year he is. Don't spin it for you're argument. I like the new CP. But basically lets go back to LA, so you're basing LA showing you nothing on an injuried LaVar!!! Basically an injuried LaVar isn't showing you any promise. I feel you!!! :rolleyes:

[ntotoro]

You can spin it all you want last year CP wasn't the typical team guy. This year he is. Don't spin it for you're argument. I like the new CP. But basically lets go back to LA, so you're basing LA showing you nothing on an injuried LaVar!!! Basically an injuried LaVar isn't showing you any promise. I feel you!!! :rolleyes:

I'm not spinning it. You were the one who brought up Portis and made it sound like he constantly complained about things, when that wasn't even close to the truth. Then you made Brian Mitchell calling him out to be anything other than it was.

I basically said he shut his mouth, put his head to the grindstone and now look what he's doing. LaVar seems incapable of that. You don't like that, but both things are true from what we have so far seen.

What does LaVar's injury have to do with his attitude? Nothing. Jeez... talk about spinning. I never said anything about his injury. I said he once told us he and the team kissed and made up and he seemed happy. Then he goes and does this stupid interview in his own house right after the Giants game and before clinching a playoff berth. Now what you're doing is spin. I know the guy has been injured, but it's obvious that his mouth isn't where he injury is.

Physically, the guy has shown nothing but promise for the last six years. He never has fully delivered, but that's a whole other discussion. I'm talking about his attitude and there is one area where he flips and flops like a mental patient just this very season alone.

[saubouin]

It's not LAVARS knee that's the problem it's his mouth.

[tlk2rn]

It seems that all of a sudden everyone is hating on him. I dont see why. He is valuable to the team and I dont want to see him go. People say that he is greedy but if you had the opportunity to make the $ that he is making wouldn't you take it.

[Jumbo]

Please dear lord, grant me this: ok, #1, we beat the iggles.

But this is what I REALLY wish after that:

Please...Please Please Please...

Strike dead the fingers of EVERYONE who refers to people as "Lavar haters".

Thank you lord.


:eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck

[chrisa5]

[QUOTE=zoony]wow.

I would only add that Lavar... at least to me... sums up everything that had plagued this franchise pre-Joe Gibbs. All talent, no heart and no brains.

........[/QUOTE

Lavar, along with Coles, Smoot and some others that were here, remind me of a losing Redskins team. Lavar is the face of a LOSING Redskins. He's not the face of this team and he's mad. He's afraid that making the playoffs as a team is going to overshadow him being the only hope of the team.

[RedskinzOwnU]

Lavar did whatever he wanted on a losing team for 5 years and was rewarded with a new contract and lots of publicity. If that isn't negative reinforcement, I don't know what is. He thinks he can freelance in a scheme, do whatever he wants, and be revered by all. Thats not gonna work when you are on a WINNING team that requires DISCIPLINE, HARD WORK, and LOYALTY TO THE COACHES. He doesn't know how to do any of those things, and he basically stated in his interview that he doesn't take football seriously, and doesn't really care about it.

I find it interesting that our other potential "immature" players, like portis and taylor, have grown up in the span of about a year, and lavar still acts like a child. He's got the body of a superstar, but lacks the head to match. Without that, he will never be worth his salary (and even if he was an all-star linebacker he still probably wouldn't be worth that salary - but thats another discussion for another day)

[RedskinDan0557]

Cut the man some slack, he hits people for a living. Its just a game, one that I love, but still just a game. LA deserves to be with this team, even after all the recent bs in the media. Just let it blow over, Gibbs will do whats best.

[herrmag]

Cut the man some slack, he hits people for a living. Its just a game, one that I love, but still just a game. LA deserves to be with this team, even after all the recent bs in the media. Just let it blow over, Gibbs will do whats best.

I agree that Gibbs will do what's best. In fact, it's my opinion that Lavar will be on this team next year. However, he will learn to keep his mouth shut, and JG will see to that. I think, unfortunately, it will come down to "shut your mouth or you won't see the field". Some players need to be treated like children. I used to think LA was above that kind of thing.

[scruffylookin]

Strike dead the fingers of EVERYONE who refers to people as "Lavar haters".

Thank you lord.


:eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck :eaglesuck

What else would you call individuals, who despite facts to the contrary continue to with utter garbage like "LaVar is overrated". "LaVar freelances all the time". "LaVar said he was the next LT".

THEY ARE LAVAR HATERS period.

Just some facts for the LAVAR HATERS.

LaVar Arrington was not "overrated" in college.

He was a consensus All-American.
He won the Chuck Bednarik Award as the nation's top defensive player.
He won the Dick Butkis Award as the nation's top linebacker
He was named a starter on the All-Century (1900-1999) Penn State team by Lou Prato, the author of the Penn State Football Encyclopedia and the director of the Penn State All-Sports Museum.

LaVar never said he was the next LT. He said LT was an idol of his. Mel Kiper (and others) said before the draft that LaVar was the best linebacking prospect SINCE LT.

As for his career with the Skins. I'll let the facts speak for themselves.

2000-Finished 5th in total tackles, solo tackles and third in sacks. This despite not starting the first 3 games.

2001-Led the team in tackles and solos. Led the team in tackles behind the line of scrimmage. Tied for 2nd in interceptions. Tied for 2nd in forced fumbles. Named a Pro Bowl Starter. Won Quarterback Club's Redskin of the year.

2002-Again led the team in tackles, solos, tackles for loss, forced fumbles and led the team (and all NFL linebackers) in sacks in the ONLY season he was used in a LT type of role). He again was named a Pro Bowl Starter.

2003-2nd in tackles. 4th in solo. Led the team in tackles for loss. 2nd in sacks. Led the team in forced fumbles. Named to start his 3rd straight Pro Bowl.

2004-Hurt most of the season. Prior to injury was wreaking havoc in the preseason and the 1st game against Tampa.

2005-Despite playing sparingly through the first 5 games of the season and only 6 real starts (one start in Dallas was because the Skins opened in a 3-4 and LaVar didn't really play in the game), he is 8th in tackles and 3rd amoung linebackers (guess where "The Folding Chair" ranks).

So LAVAR HATERS STFU when it comes to the BS about him being a disappointment or overrated.

If people want to criticize the timing of the article, that's fine and fair. But anyone who question's LaVar's play on the field is doing so simply because they are a LAVAR HATER.

One other point, if LaVar is the face of a "loser Redskins team". What was Joe Theismann. The Skins did squat with him as a starter until Gibbs got here. How about ole Riggo, who prior to Gibbs' arrival was best known for his stupid hairstyles and walking out on the team in 1980. What about Darrell Green. In the 20 years he played, he was part of a "loser" (non playoff team) 12 times.

[Fan4life]

Do you get paid for that? WTF are you LAVAR's PR...?
Whether you beleive it or not. The ADULT AND realistic fans on this board. Have seen enough from this DIVA player. And yes we all love him..still. BUT we dont love his over price CAP ATTACK contract and MELOVEMESOMEME mentality.

[Waleo32]

Do you get paid for that? WTF are you LAVAR's PR...?
Whether you beleive it or not. The ADULT AND realistic fans on this board. Have seen enough from this DIVA player. And yes we all love him..still. BUT we dont love his over price CAP ATTACK contract and MELOVESOMEME mentality.

You really never met a true Prima Donna because if you call LA a Diva, you really have to be a lost soul. LA has never bashed a player, or never said he was better than anybody. The only people he's truly bashed is the FO. So get off your high horse man!!!

[Fan4life]

LAVAR invited in a reporter. Gave his one sided story about how the redskins have mistreated him..yada yada. And yes..he was Quoted. Not all of what he said were misquotes..beleive that or not. And all this in the WEEK OF the MOST important game of our season since 1999year. LAVAR a DIVA NEVER!

[Waleo32]

LAVAR invited in a reporter. Gave his one sided story about how the redskins have mistreated him..yada yada. And yes..he was Quoted. Not all of what he said were misquotes..beleive that or not. And all this in the WEEK OF the MOST important game of our season since 1999year. LAVAR a DIVA NEVER!


He invited a reporter to his house for an interview, hmmm wow that really makes LA a DIVA!!! WoW I'm jumping on your bandwagon. So you're putting LA in the same category with Moss, TO, and others. Wow!!! All praise to you!! :rolleyes:

[Chachie]

I'm not a "hater" of Lvar Arrington or anybody else for that matter. I am, however, no longer concerned about whether he stays or goes. This last bit of selfishness from him has been the fanal straw for me. After holding my breath for 8-9 games over his benching, then being elated at his return, I've finaly decided that Lavar never did care about anything except Lavar. All the talk he made about learning to understand the team concept and following what the coaches say was garbage. As soon as he felt comfortable with being back in the mix, he once again churns out comments that are very distracting to the team's mission.

This is the single-most important game in Joe Gibbs' new tenure and LA has yet again found a way to take the attention off the team and get it firmly fixed on him alone. I truly hope that Coach Williams decides to bench him for the rest of the season, playoffs or no. It's over as far as I'm concerned for Arrington in this town and it's his own fault.

This "retirement" business only tells to me that LA got his money and got lazy.

[Fan4life]

I really think you are not getting it. HE DID THIS DURING A WEEK OF THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME FOR HIS TEAM. THINK THINK. NO one cares if he did this in the offseason. or any other damn time.

[chrisa5]

One other point, if LaVar is the face of a "loser Redskins team". What was Joe Theismann. The Skins did squat with him as a starter until Gibbs got here. How about ole Riggo, who prior to Gibbs' arrival was best known for his stupid hairstyles and walking out on the team in 1980. What about Darrell Green. In the 20 years he played, he was part of a "loser" (non playoff team) 12 times.

Exactly. We won Superbowls without any of them. We definitely don't need LaVar "loser" Arrington who could'nt hold up Riggo's jock strap. Ship him out!!

[Waleo32]

Exactly. We won Superbowls without any of them. We definitely don't need LaVar "loser" Arrington who could'nt hold up Riggo's jock strap. Ship him out!!

LaVar a loser. He's not healthy. When LA's a hundred percent there's only one LB better and that's all world Ray!!!

[Waleo32]

I really think you are not getting it. HE DID THIS DURING A WEEK OF THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME FOR HIS TEAM. THINK THINK. NO one cares if he did this in the offseason. or any other damn time.

Like I said earlier, I don't agree with the timing. But I have no problem with the content.

[chrisa5]

LaVar a loser. He's not healthy. When LA's a hundred percent there's only one LB better and that's all world Ray!!!

Nobody said that LaVar is not a great LB. I was glad to see him back on the field after I thought that maybe, just maybe, he could quit running that big head of his and do what he's supposed to do. If he can't shut up and quit being an attention hoe, then wer'e better offf without him because we don't NEED him. At all!! If he insist's on being a distraction the whole time he and GW are together, then send him out to Marty along with all his bs.

[Jumbo]

What else would you call individuals, who despite facts to the contrary continue to with utter garbage like "LaVar is overrated". "LaVar freelances all the time". "LaVar said he was the next LT".

THEY ARE LAVAR HATERS period <rest of post edited>\


Nothing personal or necessarily generalized to any other posts you make, scruffy, but your response is indicative of the level of dialogue I refer to when I pray for dead fingers. :)

In this particular situaiion, your post reads like the rant of a religious zealot on crusade who will haer nothing but their own mantra. That being so, I'll conclude our otherwise at-odds interchange with a positive note:

Here's to plucking the Eagles and I hope Lavar gets a whole fistful of tailfeathers in both mitts.

[fansince62]

"Nobody said that LaVar is not a great LB. I was glad to see him back on the field after I thought that maybe, just maybe, he could quit running that big head of his and do what he's supposed to do. If he can't shut up and quit being an attention hoe, then wer'e better offf without him because we don't NEED him. At all!! "

absolutely!! I say we let LA go free and clear to the Boys, Gints or Iggles after the season ends this February!!! GW has no use for him...can do better without him.

[Aghar]

"Nobody said that LaVar is not a great LB. I was glad to see him back on the field after I thought that maybe, just maybe, he could quit running that big head of his and do what he's supposed to do. If he can't shut up and quit being an attention hoe, then wer'e better offf without him because we don't NEED him. At all!! "

absolutely!! I say we let LA go free and clear to the Boys, Gints or Iggles after the season ends this February!!! GW has no use for him...can do better without him.

Yeah, you tell em! :insane: Then if the guy comes back and takes our QBs head off you will all be starting a similar thread to what the Jets have on their fan forums about Santana Moss. Remember one thing people, wether he stays or goes, he IS here NOW! And that means we need him to play well, just like everyone else on the team, to be successful. :2cents:


:eaglesuck :point2sky

[Peregrine]

I think we should stop arguing about it and let Gibbs decide. Seriously, why would ANYONE trust the media, especialy when it comes to rumor stories. Let Gibbs handle it.

[mooby]

I've heard a lot of B.S. about LA being done and so on. Lets just put this out there, how old is LA? Well let me answer that.... 27. He's had surgery that's true, and he hasn't had that same LA burst this year. Hmmm but if you know about know knee surguries, it usually takes you a year to get your "mojo" back. Edge is a prime example. He tore his ACL, when he came back he wasn't the same Edge. He didn't have his burst, he couldn't even hit the hole right. Now look at him, he's back. Now as for LA, he'll be back at full strength next year, but the funny thing is that some of you want to see him go. Now we all know when LA was in his prime there was only one LB better and thats Ray Ray. So you're telling me that you would let a 27, 28 young stud leave who could dominate opposing offenses. I'll give you the Ok!!!! :rolleyes: LaVar, playing at 85 percent is still a good LB. He wants to be here how many people say that about the skins. Don't get me wrong LA was acting like a little B#tch when he didn't get his so called 6 million (read the contract LA and agent), but to me he's been disrespected this year by certain fans and coaches. Holdman over LA is a slap in the face. Him not playing on 3rd downs is a slap in the face. All praise to Marshall but he's no LA. LaVar will be LaVar again that's a given. For some of you haters, to think otherwise is funny. We are not talking about a running back who has taken a beat, or a 35 year old player, we are talking about a 27 year old dude who had surgery on his knee. Do you really think that LA won't make a impact in this league?


i totally agree. Lavar will be an impact player for years to come, and i don't want to see that happen somewhere else. I see a lot of people saying he's a me first, T.O. type of guy. I can partly understand where that's from as he needs to shut his mouth at times. But have they forgotten all those times Lavar has repeatedly said: I want to be a redskin for my career. I don't want to play anywhere else. If the redskins cut me, i could see myself retiring, as i want to be a redskin.

Have they forgotten that? When lavar was benched, did he cry about it? No, he complimented his teammates and recognized he was being benched for the good of the team.

[chet06]

The problem that I have with Lavar is the timing of the interview that served as the basis for the story.

He has the entire offseason to speak about his feelings towards the organization. At this point, his primary focus should be the possibility of making the playoffs. This is a distraction that the team could live without as it pursues its first playoff birth this century.

You have know clue how much he is being abused by this organization. All I can say is that this is sad. The reason the coaches are killing him is because they are all sucking up to Snyder. I guess that makes sense given that they work for him. It is just sad to see. They should have just traded him with Coles.

[flexxskins]

I am sorry if this has been mentioned already, but I just haven't had the time to read over 100 posts on this matter. I find myself once again kind of defending LaVar by once again saying that IMO all of LaVar's misplaced and badly timed comments are coming from a young, very emotional and now desperate man. I really do believe that LaVar does not want to go anywhere else in the league and is kind of panicing at the thought that he just may very well be on his way out.

I know that this idea might make you believe that I think that LaVar is crazy, but I truly believe that LaVar does not realize some times exactly what he is saying until it is much too late. I don't know if many of you have noticed, but while LaVar is giving an interview, IMO he tends to start rambling. LaVar might start out talking about one thing and end up rambling about another out of pure pent up emotions. I really believe that the media picked up on this a long time ago, feed off of it and try to get him to talk about matters that he probably never even had any intentions on discussing.

I hope after the season has ended that LaVar can have a sit down with the coaches and owner and come up with some type of solution to keep him on the team. He is simply too damn talented to let go. Yes...he is STILL too talented to let go.

[End2round2sanders]

Lavar wants to stay a skin, and quite frankly is showing more restrain and self control ( cept this incident but cmon now its the first one in his long career here) then any of us would in this situation. Hell I wouldn't want to stay here if I was him I tried to show my alligence with this team for such along time and now I gotta deal with this? I'd be frustrated too.

hail skins go LA.