Wise - After a Shove, a Fall From Grace (Lavar Shouting Match w/Coach after Sat game)

[redphoenix]

I hear you Redskins nation.But this kind of behavior is something the TEAM doesnt need right now.I mean this is the biggest game coming up ,the biggest moment for everyone or anything that has to do with The Washington Redskins and he pulls this soap opera bs.All this does is reveal to the fans what kind of a professional LA is and it also shows us why the coaches are doing what their doing.Sorry LA but to me your playing a game that will bite you in the ass and have you sidelined for a playoff game youve been dying to play in.You dug your own grave.

[Bizkiteer]

Anyone who thinks it's just Lavar's fault or just the Redskins Organization in this whole fiasco is a plain IDIOT! Yes, I said and if that if you think only one is at fault you are one. Use the term and apply it as needed because it takes TWO to tango. Sheeeshh! :rolleyes:

[redphoenix]

:rolleyes: Yeah the world is "out"to get Lavar.

[ntotoro]

Anyone who thinks it's just Lavar's fault or just the Redskins Organization in this whole fiasco is a plain IDIOT! Yes, I said and if that if you think only one is at fault you are one. Use the term and apply it as needed because it takes TWO to tango. Sheeeshh! :rolleyes:

Which party is the one inviting reporters into his home two days after the biggest game of the year, only days before attempting to clinch a playoff berth and maybe even the division?

Which party is the one hanging the phone up on his position coach because he can't take the criticism?

Which party is the one who has been the drama queen on multiple occasions this year?

I'm tired of this bipolar waste of oxygen only being happy as the face of a losing team.

[Fan035]

This controversy at this time is making me sick. Concentrate on Sunday's game!

[GhostRider]

Die hard 'Skins fan and I love Lavar. I think he's got plenty of guilt in all the problems stirred as does the organization and the coaches. My think earlier this year was that Lavar would wear another uniform next year and down deep I hope he blows up and make the Redskins regret ever letting him go. The way the organization is treating him (even other players notice the unfair treatment), I think Lavar might end up haunting us twice a year if Danny boy and his front office, coaches and staff don't get it together. When I think about it...what come around goes around...becareful Danniel you better swallow that pride before our QB ends up like Aikman. :doh:

Well hopefully Lavar ends up with the Cards or Saints then you can relive your glory days on team Lavar and he'll probably make a couple more pro-bowls on 5-11 teams.

[redphoenix]

You see what this type of behavior is good for=Division.Us fans are starting to argue with one another days before the biggest game in what seems to be 100 years.His actions do no good for anyone or anything.Were taking our eyes off the prize.

[kmast000]

I stand behind Lavar. I don't agree with the way he's handling things but I think the guy is starting to mature and can play in a system defense. I think they should give him a chance to play and he should be willing to restructure his contract again to prove he wants to stay and is willing to do what it takes. Both sides need to come to terms. Lavar can be one heck of a player. :2cents:

[redphoenix]

Lavar has dug his own grave.and by the end of the season he will be buried in it.Its been fun but Goodbye.

[hammond72]

I'm old fashioned but "There is no 'I' in team". Run his ***** out of here as soon as possible. If he'd have learned his assignments and executed them instead of trying to display his creative abilities on the field, he'd be starting and playing every down on defense. Even Trotter said that Arrington had to become more of a professional and spend more time studying film. This guy Rice should be fired for writing crap like this the week before what is arguably the biggest game of the year. Is he on Lavar's payroll?

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

I have hung onto hopes of Lavar thinking he still has a future here and will have an impact. I am now officially no longer backing this guy. For the first time in his career he has a chance to play in the postseason and he has to create all of this attention for himself. The team doesn't need this crap from one guy and frankly the defense has been amazing without him. All I can figure out is people are starting to cheer for the team and not as much of cheering for Lavar and it kills him. We don't need an attention whore on this team. That is a chemistry killer. This is starting to shape up like a milder version of the TO fiasco. Goodbye Lavar. Don't let the door hit your self absorbed ass on the way out.

[kmast000]

What happens if Greg Williams takes another coaching job? Does our defense still maintain? Or do we go back to needing Lavar to be a playmaker? I say keep him around.

[JimmiJo]

You see what this type of behavior is good for=Division.Us fans are starting to argue with one another days before the biggest game in what seems to be 100 years.His actions do no good for anyone or anything.Were taking our eyes off the prize.

Yup.

[Bizkiteer]

Which party is the one inviting reporters into his home two days after the biggest game of the year, only days before attempting to clinch a playoff berth and maybe even the division?

Which party is the one hanging the phone up on his position coach because he can't take the criticism?

Which party is the one who has been the drama queen on multiple occasions this year?

I'm tired of this bipolar waste of oxygen only being happy as the face of a losing team.

I can clearly see what side you stand on, just remember that several players have made comments throughtout the year that they do not understand why Lavar is being treated the way he is being treated by the staff.

Just remember where you are getting your facts and what's that source. You are being told what they want you to know. Any line can be spun to be made to sound any way they want. That is why emails are more dangerous and misunderstood most often because you can't read the tone. Don't under estimate the power of the media. Players get asked for interviews everyday, that is how the end up in the paper on NFL network, ESPN and so forth. Sometimes they make stupid comments when a reporter is in front of them and that gets put in the paper or on TV. It has nothing to do with timing, you get asked a question, you answer. Reporters have a job to make a story that people will want to read. Same could be said about the coach, could he have waited until the film session with the LB'ers? Did he have to go down right after a BIG win and jump all over a player? Flip the coin and look at the other side too is all I'm saying.

The truth in the whole matter is somewhere in the middle with BOTH Lavar and the Organization having fault in all the distractions.

[TheRev]

Look... LaVar makes an impact on the field (let me qualify that by saying a "positive impact") and any team would love to have him. There's just been this chain of unfortunate events that have spoiled his relationship with his coaches and with The Danny. Like any important relationship, though, they need some time to get the hell away from each other, re-assess, come back in, and talk it out. If it ends up that LaVar leaves the team, then I'm going to look silly at the field in my 56 jersey, but I have faith that they know the talent he possesses and that the team will figure out a way to bring him back into the fold, and he'll figure out a way to live in a Redskins era where TEAM is more important than how many mercenaries we can bring in.

[SkinsFTW]

The guy is a headache.

And a headache like Lawrence Taylor would be worth it but what does this guy do?

He spends his time on the sideline impersonating Keyshawn Johnson.

[skinsngibbs4life]

What happens if Greg Williams takes another coaching job? Does our defense still maintain? Or do we go back to needing Lavar to be a playmaker? I say keep him around.

wow, i was thinking the exact same thing. Without GW being able to plug random people into the system, we are going to start to need those playmakers.

now, after these most recent events, i am definatly turning away from LA. but, you just have to think that if GW does leave, how our next dcoordinator will fair with someone like holdman starting at the weak side LB position.

hopefully it will all work out for the best though

[Sonny Joe Hog]

Why NOW? We really don't need this with a HUGE game coming up. As a Redskins fan, this game means everything to me. It's all about getting into the playoffs and having a chance to win the Super Bowl. It is NOT about Lavar.

What is wrong with him, anyway? Is he trying to hurt the team? If he didn't orchestrate these interviews, he at least cooperated with the writers, giving them the juicy controversy they crave.

If we should lose (Heaven forbid!) this weekend, he will find that he will have damaged his reputation throughout the League and engendered the hatred of most Redskins fans - the very people, including myself, who have supported him.

It's too late for him to take it back. From now on, he has to live with it.

[fansince62]

funny...the story to me is what other players are missing assignments and are they receiving similar treatment from a coach protecting his Chitown has beens....all other players are faultless....uh huh.......LA has not covered himself with glory...but there is always TWO SIDES to every story.

let's see how things are starting to shape up for next year:

- lose GW

- lose LA and bring in that well known superstar Holdman who didn't appear to receive similar treatment for his sorry play early in the season

- no first round draft pick with the early select standing on the sidelines for another year of grooming

- cap hit from LA's departure

- LA to an NFC East team (seems to be the pattern for disgruntled Skins players in recent years)

...this has been well handled by all sides!

LA.....you're playin hard but the man pays the bills (as Snoop would say). Just STFU and get out of town to the Boys or some other NFC East to take your revenge downstream. now is not the time to be disruptive. Dale...thanks for being as FU'd as LA. Are there any *amn adults on this team?

[ntotoro]

Look... LaVar makes an impact on the field (let me qualify that by saying a "positive impact") and any team would love to have him.

Then we should be able to get a good pick or player for him.

[SkinsFTW]

Why NOW? We really don't need this with a HUGE game coming up. As a Redskins fan, this game means everything to me. It's all about getting into the playoffs and having a chance to win the Super Bowl. It is NOT about Lavar. What is wrong with him, anyway? Is he trying to hurt the team? If he didn't orchestrate these interviews, he at least cooperated with the writers, giving them the juicy controversy they crave. If we should lose (Heaven forbid!) this weekend, he will find that he will have damaged his reputation throughout the League and engendered the hatred of most Redskins fans - the very people, including myself, who have supported him. It's too late for him to take it back. From now on, he has to live with it.


Hey man, i tried to read it but at least split some of it up into paragraphs.

[iceman330]

For eveyone who now sees the light, please understand that most of us who've been complaining about LA ARE TRUE SKINS FANS......Most of us take the position of being fans of the Skins not fans of the player. We are fans of the player only to the extent that the player HELPS the team. Once a player, or anyone for that matter (including ownership), hurts the team then we have a problem with that person. most of us ere getting upset with him b/c as true fans we could see that the path he was on was very bad for the team.

Anyone whose been on any type of championship caliber team knows that team chemistry is as importance as performance. And knows that dirty laundry stays in-house. A team can be good with performance alone but it cannot turn the corner w/o chemistry. So the main gripe against LA was that he is disruptive to team chemistry. His performance lately was not all that, but that can be forgiven, provided he shows leadership. Instead he bitches and moans to the public, trying to get the public to turn on the Skins and that AINT GONNA WORK WITH ME. I was a Skins fan long b4 Lavar and will be one long after.

He needs to take a lesson from one of our greatest leaders, Monte Coleman. He bled burgandy and gold. I've seen him actually cry when we lost games as he lived and died with the team. Yet he was not a starter. He could've left the Skins and started at outside linebacker for several teams, yet he NEVER complained to the public. He played special teams, filled in at LB when there was an injury and always fought his guts out.

LA could also take a lesson from Portis. CP could've complained more about our style of running but instead he shut his mouth, made it to all the off-season workouts, gained some weight and is part of the SOLUTION.

Lastly, how many times has it been now that Gibbs has had to meet w/ LA? For those that know Gibbs, how many players do you recall sticking around when Gibbs had to meet w/ them regularly? One might think of DM but remember 2 things: 1.) we couldn't win regularly w/o DM and 2.) DM usually got in trouble for some kind of off field antic (which i'm sure most players shook their heads and laughed at) as opposed to bad mouthing managment and complaining to the media about his employer.

[ST21]

Maybe I am a little biased, but throughout the whole thing I think Lavar was the one treated unfairly. He's been in football all his life and been yelled at numourous times I'm sure. As the article states, it got out of control in the locker room and I am sure the same happened on the phone. Afterwhile people get tired of listening if all you are doing is yelling and telling them how bad they are. I would have hung up the phone too.

[fansince62]

nope. LA plays his cards right...teams will simply wait for him to be released. Coles set the pattern for how to engineer trades. it's one step from what he did to outright release. the burden is all on the Skins in this little game. they're gonna have to decide whether they want to keep him or get rid of him. to the degree that that decision becomes public, thier position is weakened. they may get a trade, but they will get less than he is worth cuz teams know Jun 1 is the last option if the Skns are adamant about not retaining LA. if this is unpalatable to the Skins - then they retain him for another season and we get to enjoy this little drama for another year unless someone demonstrates some leadership.

bottom line is that all sides have *crewed the pooch on this one.

[Bizkiteer]

Then we should be able to get a good pick or player for him.

Nope because unlike the Jets in handling the Abraham..we are stupid and show our hand. Everyone knows we don't want him, kind like Ramsey...everyone knows he's not our starter. Thus, we will not get what he would be valued at. At least the Jets say they want to keep Abraham...

[Bizkiteer]

funny...the story to me is what other players are missing assignments and are they receiving similar treatment from a coach protecting his Chitown has beens....all other players are faultless....uh huh.......LA has not covered himself with glory...but there is always TWO SIDES to every story.

let's see how things are starting to shape up for next year:

- lose GW

- lose LA and bring in that well known superstar Holdman who didn't appear to receive similar treatment for his sorry play early in the season

- no first round draft pick with the early select standing on the sidelines for another year of grooming

- cap hit from LA's departure

- LA to an NFC East team (seems to be the pattern for disgruntled Skins players in recent years)

...this has been well handled by all sides!

LA.....you're playin hard but the man pays the bills (as Snoop would say). Just STFU and get out of town to the Boys or some other NFC East to take your revenge downstream. now is not the time to be disruptive. Dale...thanks for being as FU'd as LA. Are there any *amn adults on this team?

Well said...now that I'm drepressed...I'm gonna call it a day and go back to bed. Thanks!!! ;)

[fansince62]

"Maybe I am a little biased, but throughout the whole thing I think Lavar was the one treated unfairly. He's been in football all his life and been yelled at numourous times I'm sure. As the article states, it got out of control in the locker room and I am sure the same happened on the phone. Afterwhile people get tired of listening if all you are doing is yelling and telling them how bad they are. I would have hung up the phone too."

leadership lesson 101.

this is probably a mutual thing. the defensive coaches are strong arming the players (GW is known to be an unrelenting hardarse) and LA is becomng a whiny distraction. there may be a dynamic in play that is going to follow its destructive course unless someone very senior steps in and stops it cold with some sort of bold leadership move.

makes one wonder whether, in the long run, GW can survive as a head coach. unknown at this point.

[ntotoro]

The truth in the whole matter is somewhere in the middle with BOTH Lavar and the Organization having fault in all the distractions.

Ask yourself one question:

Why does this seem to only keep plaguing LaVar?

Common sense will tell you he's the denominator in all these issues. The 'Skins haven't been the ones bellyaching to the public about it.

[ntotoro]

Nope because unlike the Jets in handling the Abraham..we are stupid and show our hand. Everyone knows we don't want him, kind like Ramsey...everyone knows he's not our starter.

Not necessarily. The 'Skins don't have to get rid of either player. Getting rid of LaVar before 6/1 only saves $1m on the cap. Getting rid of Ramsy means we lose a good, cheap backup QB and have to bring in someone else. Neither player absolutely has to go if the deal doesn't come along.

People knew we were shopping Coles. I'd say we got something pretty good in-return.

[Bizkiteer]

Ask yourself one question:

Why does this seem to only keep plaguing LaVar?

Common sense will tell you he's the denominator in all these issues. The 'Skins haven't been the ones bellyaching to the public about it.

Anytime you have an owner who told a player that he would watch the season on a big screen TV (Danny to Coles), you have to realize that this is not normal situation. It is understood that Danny has dropped him as his boy after the contract situation, so it started from there.

Again, Lavar is at fault too...it takes two and that is why it keeps going back and forth between the two.

[gortiz]

Well said...now that I'm drepressed...I'm gonna call it a day and go back to bed. Thanks!!! ;)

Don't be depressed, if we have learned one thing about the Skins is that come off season, we like to stir the s***

i.e. bringing portis, moss, hiring gibbs.

We were getting free agents and attracting people here with just money, now we got a winning record, presitge and talent on top of $$ ... things are looking up.

[fansince62]

LA isn't the only one. The Skins have had these problems for years now. Oned can concede all the nuanced objections about non-team players, selfishness, etc. but the fcat remains that the team has been plagued by these problems for years. at some point one has to admit that this has two sides.

LA will be banished by whatever means next season and we will see whetehr the team has enough momentum and personnel smarts to move to the next level. either way - I'm sick of whiny players and I'm tired of a personnel/management/coaching staff that can't handle its problem children. it stinks all around.

[ntotoro]

Anytime you have an owner who told a player that he would watch the season on a big screen TV (Danny to Coles), you have to realize that this is not normal situation. It is understood that Danny has dropped him as his boy after the contract situation, so it started from there.

Again, Lavar is at fault too...it takes two and that is why it keeps going back and forth between the two.

You keep saying Danny this, Danny that... what proof do you have that he has any hand in the LaVar situation at all? Why does there have to be a share of the blame? No one anywhere has implied any such thing.

[KingGibbs]

For eveyone who now sees the light, please understand that most of us who've been complaining about LA ARE TRUE SKINS FANS......Most of us take the position of being fans of the Skins not fans of the player. We are fans of the player only to the extent that the player HELPS the team. Once a player, or anyone for that matter (including ownership), hurts the team then we have a problem with that person. most of us ere getting upset with him b/c as true fans we could see that the path he was on was very bad for the team.

Anyone whose been on any type of championship caliber team knows that team chemistry is as importance as performance. And knows that dirty laundry stays in-house. A team can be good with performance alone but it cannot turn the corner w/o chemistry. So the main gripe against LA was that he is disruptive to team chemistry. His performance lately was not all that, but that can be forgiven, provided he shows leadership. Instead he bitches and moans to the public, trying to get the public to turn on the Skins and that AINT GONNA WORK WITH ME. I was a Skins fan long b4 Lavar and will be one long after.

He needs to take a lesson from one of our greatest leaders, Monte Coleman. He bled burgandy and gold. I've seen him actually cry when we lost games as he lived and died with the team. Yet he was not a starter. He could've left the Skins and started at outside linebacker for several teams, yet he NEVER complained to the public. He played special teams, filled in at LB when there was an injury and always fought his guts out.

LA could also take a lesson from Portis. CP could've complained more about our style of running but instead he shut his mouth, made it to all the off-season workouts, gained some weight and is part of the SOLUTION.

Lastly, how many times has it been now that Gibbs has had to meet w/ LA? For those that know Gibbs, how many players do you recall sticking around when Gibbs had to meet w/ them regularly? One might think of DM but remember 2 things: 1.) we couldn't win regularly w/o DM and 2.) DM usually got in trouble for some kind of off field antic (which i'm sure most players shook their heads and laughed at) as opposed to bad mouthing managment and complaining to the media about his employer.

Oh, so now that people have a particular player that they like they aren't "TRUE FANS"? I don't know you and you don't know me. Ask the people on this site that do actually know me if I am a "TRUE" fan even though I have been a big fan of Lavar.

Anyway, Lavar has left a sour taste in my mouth with this latest episode, but he is still a Redskin and he still capable of having a big impact on defense. :2cents:

[Bizkiteer]

Not necessarily. The 'Skins don't have to get rid of either player. Getting rid of LaVar before 6/1 only saves $1m on the cap. Getting rid of Ramsy means we lose a good, cheap backup QB and have to bring in someone else. Neither player absolutely has to go if the deal doesn't come along.

People knew we were shopping Coles. I'd say we got something pretty good in-return.

We got real good value as it turns out in Santana Moss. GB that!!! As it turns out, I think we should trade for players from the U everytime since it seems to work for us.

My point was just in when trying to make a trade, value carries farther when team's don't know that you have de-valued your player or are not no longer need of their services (Like R. Gardner last year). Not saying we have to trade Ramsey, just we coudl have gotten more for him before he was made 2nd string.

[Burgold]

You know what this thread reminded me about? Gibbs first being hired. Washington was all excited. Everyone was feeling good. Someone asked Lavar his opinion and he expressed doubt and ambivalence. Perhaps it was Lavar who made his mind about this coaching staff before they arrived. He's seen them come and go and he's always been the man. Remember those first interviews.

In this article, what really bugged me is that as a critical example they chose to bring up a Wizards game FROM LAST YEAR! How he was booed. How the securtiy disrespected him and didn't let him in the Wiz locker room so he could get his balls signed. As Portis said yesterday, "this isn't the NBA"

As I recall last year he was the starter before he got hurt, then they really performed well without him. Pierce and Marshall surfaced for this team. Undrafted bums no one wanted. Lindsey obviously has some skill. Williams schemes worked. We haven't heard Lindsey, et al. go out of house. Lavar does that to himself.

This is the week to be unselfless to really get yourself geared up for the biggest game of the season. Very disappointed that he couldn't do that.

As for the comment that two guys defended Lavar. Didn't 19 Eagles go to TO's birthday party?

[FightForOldDC21]

whatever is up with lavar needs to stop
hes my boy and he has to stay

[GhostRider]

You know what this thread reminded me about? Gibbs first being hired. Washington was all excited. Everyone was feeling good. Someone asked Lavar his opinion and he expressed doubt and ambivalence. Perhaps it was Lavar who made his mind about this coaching staff before they arrived. He's seen them come and go and he's always been the man. Remember those first interviews.


That pissed me off, Lavar can't stand not being the center of attention. Luckily for him he has a legion of younger fans who think he's LT re-incarnate.

[Bizkiteer]

You keep saying Danny this, Danny that... what proof do you have that he has any hand in the LaVar situation at all? Why does there have to be a share of the blame? No one anywhere has implied any such thing.

Did you just read the article that was linked in this thread? Here I'll quote the second page of the article for you...


He won't say who, but we already know where and with whom the enmity began. Snyder, the team owner who made him fabulously rich and befriended his charismatic, handsome linebacking star, dumped him quicker than AOL stock. From the moment Arrington filed a contract grievance in March 2004, contending the team omitted $6.5 million in bonus money agreed upon for the 2006 season, he was shuttled out of Snyder's suite and sent to the doghouse. The Redskins said they did not owe Arrington the money, and the linebacker eventually dropped the arbitration case.

But with Snyder no longer in his corner, it became open season on Arrington for the coaching staff.

This kind of stuff is published consistanly and is known publicly. Are you really hearing this for the very first time now???

[ntotoro]

This kind of stuff is published consistanly and is known publicly. Are you really hearing this for the very first time now???

This isn't anything quoted from Snyder or even from anyone with inside knowledge of Redskin Park. When was the last time Wise (or any of these guys) was ever there?

LaVar, on the other hand, gives us soundbytes on an almost daily basis. If Snyder hated the guy so much, he wouldn't have made him the most overpaid OLB in the NFL.

[Mufumonk]

Yes. We have been better without LaVar.

We are noticeably worse with Cornelius Griffen off the feild. LaVar? Np difference at all. He has haf 2 years to 'get it'. He hasn't. Case closed.

Did you completely ignore the games in which LaVar didn't start? Teams aggressively attacked the weak side of the field when Holdman was the starter. And we took it on the chin for some pretty big plays because of his inability to shed blocks. But I forgot, LaVar is the sole reason we've sucked for the duration of his time here. It had nothing to do with the constant merry-go-round of coaches and schemes and constant gutting of the roster.

[Fred Jones]

The author, Mike Wise, paints a certain picture of the situation from his point of view. Of course some of it is accurate and some of it is opinion. The Lavar situation has been talked about many times on this board including this thread.
One thing I found interesting. Enough has been written about Snyder from various sources to give one the impression that he is what I would call a d**k. I could not think of any other appropriate word to describe the owner. If he likes you than everything is great. If he does not than his lack of professionalism takes over. The owner should be held to a higher standard. Just look how Gibbs treats people he does not like. He still treats them with respect. He gets rid of them, but he keeps his mouth shut and does not openly disrespect them.

[Burgold]

Okay, let me get this straight. Lavar calls Danny a thief, liar, and a crook. Sues him. Goes to the press and tells everyone that Snyder is all of above and you don't think it would impact their personal relationship? How would you react if you chose him over Champ to receive the big salary, treated the guy like family, then he goes shouting to everyone that you're a louse, a thief, and a cheat. Wouldn't that impact how you felt about the guy personally.

As far as if that impacted how he was treated on the field I don't know, but it was the beginning of strained feelings between some fans and Lavar.

[Mufumonk]

You have to know him personally to hold the position that he's got an ego? That this ego has led him to butt heads with coaches, from Schottenheimer to Marvin Lewis to Williams and Lindsey? Don't you remember how LaVar didn't want to play from the End position, didn't want to play with his hand on the ground, but then proceeded to have his best pro season doing just that on half the snaps?

Please. Even LaVar's most loyal defenders will admit that he's got an ego, and that this has led to his getting into scraps with coaches.


If memory serves me right the reason he didn't want to play as a down lineman is because he was playing with TWO broken hands.

[simon_sc]

I can't figure out who is right and who is wrong in this situation, but it just plain sucks. I've enjoyed watching LA with the team -- his heart and passion are out there for everyone to see, and it *seems* like he was all set to have a good long career here.

But at this point, barring some sort of turnaround in the player/team relationship, I hope he goes somewhere next year where he can tear $*@% up. I know I'd keep an eye on him just to see some of those explosive plays he can create.

Hell, send him to Detroit for Charles Rogers or something.

Anyway, at least we have a guy like Sean Taylor who brings that same level of excitement and anticipation to the game. Who is he going to blow up next?!?!

[Bizkiteer]

This isn't anything quoted from Snyder or even from anyone with inside knowledge of Redskin Park. When was the last time Wise (or any of these guys) was ever there?

LaVar, on the other hand, gives us soundbytes on an almost daily basis. If Snyder hated the guy so much, he wouldn't have made him the most overpaid OLB in the NFL.

Remeber Lavar was his boy until that contract dispute. He made him the richest LB, but when the dispute of missing money came out....then supposedly Danny fell out of love w/ him. Also, Dan stopped talking to the press after being misquoted a few times. If I recall it was the Post that he had the problem with at the time.

[fansince62]

"Did you completely ignore the games in which LaVar didn't start? Teams aggressively attacked the weak side of the field when Holdman was the starter. And we took it on the chin for some pretty big plays because of his inability to shed blocks. But I forgot, LaVar is the sole reason we've sucked for the duration of his time here. It had nothing to do with the constant merry-go-round of coaches and schemes and constant gutting of the roster."

hey man...don't let the facts get in the way of emotions!

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be both?

Why can't we field a good competitive team and not treat LaVar like garbage?

What people seem to gloss over is that in the shouting match it was the prick Dale Lindsey who went over board and got personal much more so than LaVar. Seems to me, those in the lockerroom who witnessed it were sympathetic to LaVar and felt that once again members of this defensive staff are riding way more than needed.

At this point I'm tired and disgusted with the whole thing. I wish LaVar the best in whatever he desides to do after the season and I realize now that it will most likely not be playing for the Redskins.

I will remain a Redskin fan first and foremost and root for the team as much as I ever did. This of course won't change the fact that we have a bunch of serious pricks and a-holes on the defensive staff.

:eaglesuck


But have you noticed that it's only Arrington having a problem with the coaching staff. All the other LB's seem to have nothing but praise for Lindsay and GW. It's the only dude witha "Me First" attitude that is having issues.

[EnFoRcEr_uPu]

My thought on the issue...

Lavar will overcome it all with the help of Gibbs and Williams and when he comes back next year can spit in the face of these a-holes that keep bashing on him.

[EnFoRcEr_uPu]

It's funny though...I wouldn't put it past NFL officials to pay the papers to write these things. I mean think about it, they've already started selling Giants NFC East Champions shirts. Wouldn't they WANT them to win?

[fansince62]

"I can't figure out who is right and who is wrong in this situation, but it just plain sucks. I've enjoyed watching LA with the team -- his heart and passion are out there for everyone to see, and it *seems* like he was all set to have a good long career here.

But at this point, barring some sort of turnaround in the player/team relationship, I hope he goes somewhere next year where he can tear $*@% up. I know I'd keep an eye on him just to see some of those explosive plays he can create.

Hell, send him to Detroit for Charles Rogers or something.

Anyway, at least we have a guy like Sean Taylor who brings that same level of excitement and anticipation to the game. Who is he going to blow up next?!?!"

nice post. I'ld like to see him go to an NFC East team - we get a crack at him twice a year and he gets a crack at us twice a year. if we're that good let's find out the manly way - on the field. Let's take this to its final conclusion!

he's a distraction - send him to the Boys for a second or 3rd round pick and let's see what happens.

[pjmjr123]

Danny boy is an *****

[Fred Jones]

Okay, let me get this straight. Lavar calls Danny a thief, liar, and a crook. Sues him. Goes to the press and tells everyone that Snyder is all of above and you don't think it would impact their personal relationship? How would you react if you chose him over Champ to receive the big salary, treated the guy like family, then he goes shouting to everyone that you're a louse, a thief, and a cheat. Wouldn't that impact how you felt about the guy personally.

As far as if that impacted how he was treated on the field I don't know, but it was the beginning of strained feelings between some fans and Lavar.


I don't know if you are responding to what I posted, but the owner has a different set of standards. Obviously, Lavar caused the relationship to fail. I am not saying Snyder should invite Lavar over for dinner or anything, but treating players with simple professionalism is what an owner should do regardless if they like them or not. If Dale Lindsey wants to yell and berate Lavar for not getting the job done, great. The owner should set himself apart and above the rest of the team.

[Fred Jones]

Concerning Lavar's status. Lavar is done as a member of the Washington Redskins. The only question is how are the skins going to treat him in the off-season. I hope they allow him to seek a trade and get a draft pick/player for him. I hope they don't wait until June/Jule to release him. I think they will trade him.

[Dead Money]

Wow....Nothing really new here except for maybe the altercation. What bothers me about the approach is that there are some players on the team who support him and this could damage the relationships with them. Im confident in this defensive coaching stafff though... very confident.

As a wise friend of mine once told me.... There's comes a point when someone will just not shut their mouth, that you just have to shut it for them.

[Burgold]

Fred,

I agree. Snyder needs to be professional. The article seems to be decrying that their relationship is no longer friendly. That makes perfect sence to me.

[radagast5]

I prefer 9-6 and treating LaVar like garbage to 5-11 treating him like the man. Who's with me?

I guess I would. But I'd have to ask the question, why are a 9-6 record and treating LaVar like *a* man (as opposed to *the* man) mutually exclusive?

Maybe it's part and parcel of the New England approach wherein Belichick doesn't really give a rat's ass about any of his players from a roster standpoint.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

I went through the same thing in college. My coach was an unbelievable tyrant. Some people responded positively to his abuse. Others, like myself, regressed and played poorly because you spend so much time thinking about doing the right thing. Anyone that has played at a high level of competition will tell you flat out that doesn't work in any real game time situation. When this particuliar coach got off my ass and actually "coached" to the situation I excelled and became the player and leader they wanted me to be. Different strokes for different folks. Sadly, this defensive staff doesn't see it that way and would rather run our greatest talent on defense out of town rather than find a common ground.

Lindsey has been the same way dating all the way back to when he coached the Bears LB's. Urlacher, Rosevelt Colvin and Holdman have nothing but praise for Lindsey because he's made them better as a player. If you can't take a little ass chewing then you're in the wrong business.

I've played at a high level in a different sport and I can tell you when you mess up not physically, but mentally you're going to get your ass handed to you. That's sports, if you can't take it then you need to get into basket weaving.

[stwasm]

I remember watching him during the Giants game last week. While he had some good plays, I remember his running past the ball-carrier to get to the quarterback at least twice and his jumping offsides to try to anticipate the snap-count. He needs to shut his mouth and he needs to grow up!

[Art]

I guess I would. But I'd have to ask the question, why are a 9-6 record and treating LaVar like *a* man (as opposed to *the* man) mutually exclusive?

Maybe it's part and parcel of the New England approach wherein Belichick doesn't really give a rat's ass about any of his players from a roster standpoint.

Simple.

Because LaVar views being treated like *a* man as a person who is not confronted on his mistakes and who is given everything without having to work for it. That's LaVar's view of being treated with respect. Anything short of that treatment to LaVar appears to be disrespect and he won't have it.

I WANT my coaching staff to be strong enough to get in the face of EVERY player on my favorite team and snap them back for their mistakes. If there's a fan of this team who hasn't YEARNED for the same thing for a dozen years, let me know, as I'm pretty sure none of you would sign up.

Why treat LaVar differently than every other player on the team is treated? Why avoid making calls to the sideline to tell him to focus better on his assignments just because he doesn't like it? What's wrong with you people?

I swear, maybe we should bring Marty back, have another player revolt, see Marty cave and finger the them against the coach mentality that works ONCE before a total blow up and you'd be happy? Or Norv being so weak everyone in the organization knew no player respected anything he said? Or having Spurrier who everyone knew wasn't really running things as Lewis was, but without the power to do enough?

ETC.

This team is starting to play with heart, pride and character for the first time in ages. And you guys want our fire-brand linebacker coach to buy LaVar roses and whisper sweetly to him to get a point across so LaVar feels more respected? LaVar will be respected when he's in the place he's supposed to be on EVERY down he plays. Not a moment before.

[SkinsNatsFan]

Extra! Extra! Read this controversy! The team's doing well, this is a huge week for them. Lavar's a diva! How can we use it to sell more papers and ads. Useless, childish nonsense. I have no interest in the local papers or the ads in them, now or in the future.

[Warhead36]

It's just time for Lavar to go. Whether it's his fault or not, the situation can't seem to mend itself. The only way I see Lavar staying is if he has a monster game against Philly and/or in the postseason.

[richanathai]

Dude imagine Lavar a COWBOY, now wouldn't that be fun. I'm sure JJ would go after him just to spite us. I can't wait to see him tear up the Skins offense next year when he's pissed off and all that. I don't see why the coaches can't talk to him and reassure him that it's ok and it's star mentality that is not tolerated. Seriously LA shd think abt his timing of friggin news articles. BTW I think it was an unbiased article by MW but the what the hell were they thinking????
:dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck :2cents:

[SkinsFTW]

LA isn't the only one. The Skins have had these problems for years now. Oned can concede all the nuanced objections about non-team players, selfishness, etc. but the fcat remains that the team has been plagued by these problems for years. at some point one has to admit that this has two sides.

LA will be banished by whatever means next season and we will see whetehr the team has enough momentum and personnel smarts to move to the next level. either way - I'm sick of whiny players and I'm tired of a personnel/management/coaching staff that can't handle its problem children. it stinks all around.


Well, I mean, you can say what you want but the team has proven capable of moving to the next level even with his and Coles cap hits and all the others. Just imagine what this team can be if Gibbs ever get his own team on the field.

So what are you saying?

[SkinsFTW]

Dude imagine Lavar a COWBOY, now wouldn't that be fun. I'm sure JJ would go after him just to spite us. I can't wait to see him tear up the GL defense next year when he's pissed off and all that. I don't see why the coaches can't talk to him and reassure him that it's ok and it's star mentality that is not tolerated. Seriously LA shd think abt his timing of friggin news articles. BTW I think it was an unbiased article by MW but the what the hell were they thinking????
:dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck :2cents:

Dude, this team would seriously exploit Lavar on any team. Put his ass on the Cowbois. Please.

[DaSkinzBaby]

It is intriguing a major thrust of the article suggests it is wrong for the team to move away from individual marketing of LaVar which is LaVar's big concern too. The team is on the brink of a successful season with minimal help from LaVar.

A smart guy asked in a column he wrote a while back...



I prefer 9-6 and treating LaVar like garbage to 5-11 treating him like the man. Who's with me?

I prefer a happy medium. I know some of what LaVar did was wrong. He is being paid millions, but I also think that Greg Williams and Greg Blanche are very arrogant. IMHO they are intelligent enough to be able to allow a certain level of comprimise for the greater good, THE TEAM. This is clear to me to be a case of contributory negligence. :2cents:

[ThatGuy]

Few Points:

-Everyone worried about Lavar going to some NFC East team and destroying us is off their rocker. All the NFC East teams have good strong coaching and leadership and aren't going to take on a guy who can't stick to his assignments. He'll end up in Arizona or New Orleans, some place where they need a big name to boost ticket sales.

-In all likelyhood he wont' get release or dealt until after the June 1 date so we can spread out the cap hit over 2 years.

Also, there has been some good debate in this thread. Try to leave the whole 'you're not a real fan' stuff out of it. 99% of the posters on this site are huge Redskins fan, don't mistake not supporting Arrington as proof that deep down they are fairweather fans.

[MRMADD]

I loved the comment about how the Skins will most likely wait until mid-July to release Arrington, when most teams are out of cap room. Boo hoo. Doesn't he realize that until then, the Skins have to account for his massive contract and won't have much cap room themselves?

I still think it's possible that they'll trade him. Yes, that makes the cap hit gargantuan, but they'd get something in return.

[IrepDC]

That pissed me off, Lavar can't stand not being the center of attention. Luckily for him he has a legion of younger fans who think he's LT re-incarnate.
A lot of the "Lava Lovas" are in there 30's and 40's too. Don't try to make it seem like only young guys have been hyping LA.

All age groups seem to have those that can't seem to see the light in this situation.

For the record I have been one of the few who have been critical of LaVar for a long time. Even before these recent events.

[themurf]

I think the react proves that people here are going to continue to love/hate LaVar regardless of what the media, coaches, etc. say about him. Elfin writes a story and everyone rips LaVar. Wise writes what could be called a counterpoint piece taking the other side and everyone still rips LaVar.

Those who don't like him will continue to rip him. Those who do like him will continue to stay on their side of the fence. Neither side is going to budge. So my question is ... why have 100 threads a day about LaVar?

[Art]

I prefer a happy medium. I know some of what LaVar did was wrong. He is being paid millions, but I also think that Greg Williams and Greg Blanche are very arrogant. IMHO they are intelligent enough to be able to allow a certain level of comprimise for the greater good, THE TEAM. This is clear to me to be a case of contributory negligence. :2cents:

Let's yield the fact that Williams and Blache are arrogant. Let's admit they are. My question is simple. So what?

Or, put a way I KNOW everyone can understand...

LaVar works for them. They don't work for LaVar. The employee caters his behavior to please his boss. You do it in your job. I do it in mine. For YEARS we were mad that players could end run the coaching staff and be more powerful than the staff. We were peeved the inmates were running the prison.

Now, ALL of you requesting the coaching staff treat LaVar with kid gloves are essentially begging for this organization to go back to the way of doing things when we sucked. What's the matter with you all?

[skinstzar]

Exactly man. People here are acting like they know whats been going on the whole time but the fact is the coaches have had problems with Lavar for most of 2005. He has probably been given the behind the scenes talks 1000 times and it didn't work.

I'm also in the military and I know exactly what you are talking about. You try to be the nice guy and let people have it easy but it backfires with a lot of people and they don't get it until everybody knows that you are cracking down on them. There are no excuses then because its out for all to see.

It has already been proven, though, that humiliating him changes his ways. He got with the program after watching games from the bench earlier and I bet he calibrates his attitude again after this.

This is not fact at all. The problem with you is that you get all your information from Extremeskins.com. You have to go outside the box man. Go to Redskins.com and check out GW's comments on Lavar. He says he is PROUD of Lavar for how he has handled things this season. Jeremiah Trotter was quoted this week about how he has heard that Lavar's professionalism and work ethic have changed dramatically. Lavar came on 980 this week and gave his teammates, coaches (he named lindsey specifically) much credit. Said there schemes were allowing them to win. Now the media comes out with some stuff and you bury Lavar. Leave the box, see all there is to see.

[Art]

I think the react proves that people here are going to continue to love/hate LaVar regardless of what the media, coaches, etc. say about him. Elfin writes a story and everyone rips LaVar. Wise writes what could be called a counterpoint piece taking the other side and everyone still rips LaVar.

Those who don't like him will continue to rip him. Those who do like him will continue to stay on their side of the fence. Neither side is going to budge. So my question is ... why have 100 threads a day about LaVar?

That's not it at all Murf.

I LOVE LaVar. I think the world of him as a player. I can't believe how dominating he can be when he's healthy. He's a tremendous talent and remarkable player. I don't, however, want LaVar to continue allowing himself to feel he should be treated in a special way by this organization. He should devote himself to playing and doing EXACTLY what he's asked to do and when he fails to do that, he should allow that he'll be yelled at by a YELLING staff. Can you believe how many of his jerseys would sell if he'd simply be good enough to be an every down player again?

[wysknz1]

[QUOTE=JimmiJo] When a team doesn't win, coaches tend to become unemployed - sounds like pretty high stakes to me QUOTE]




Clear down to the smallest 6 man high school teams, bro.

[tex]

If he thinks it's bad here he should spend some time with the Tuna. One stare from Parcels and LaVar would fold like a two dollar napkin.

I guess he fails to realize that he is being paid to play the way the coaches want him to. The guy may be a physical specimen but inside he's just a big Millie. Either way LaVar needs a fresh start with a new team (Dallas hahaha). Next year he will be just another former Redskin that couldn't cut it here.

Can't really say that parting ways is a bad thing for either party. LaVar can go sit the bench somewhere else while the Redskins get on with the business of winning Super Bowls.

[Chris Worthy]

here's my thing, though. Are we supposed to believe that Marty "I corrected Darrell Green's technique and cut Larry Centers for not 'falling in line'" Schottenheimer or Kurt S. didn't yell at Lavar? One of the first guys to embrace Marty and buy in was Lavar.

I'm certain even George Edwards probably yelled here and there.

So what's the deal now?

For one Marty was a LB in his day and so was George so a little extra luv went to Lavar. Mr. Frankly wanted to make lavar the next Derrick Brooks and George let Lavar do whatever he wants.

And wasn't Lavar playing another Linebacker position with Marty then what they want him to do now?

[Cherusker]

Let's yield the fact that Williams and Blache are arrogant. Let's admit they are. My question is simple. So what?

Or, put a way I KNOW everyone can understand...

LaVar works for them. They don't work for LaVar. The employee caters his behavior to please his boss. You do it in your job. I do it in mine. For YEARS we were mad that players could end run the coaching staff and be more powerful than the staff. We were peeved the inmates were running the prison.

Now, ALL of you requesting the coaching staff treat LaVar with kid gloves are essentially begging for this organization to go back to the way of doing things when we sucked. What's the matter with you all?

Maybe all these people have never managed an organization and don´t know that in the long run only team spirit will lead to success. If Gibbs and the team make the play-offs this year, they would have done a great job compared to our less entertaining past. I don´t care who will play as long as the team acts like a team and is competetive and I assume the broad majority of this board will agree.

[themurf]

That's not it at all Murf.

I LOVE LaVar. I think the world of him as a player. I can't believe how dominating he can be when he's healthy. He's a tremendous talent and remarkable player. I don't, however, want LaVar to continue allowing himself to feel he should be treated in a special way by this organization. He should devote himself to playing and doing EXACTLY what he's asked to do and when he fails to do that, he should allow that he'll be yelled at by a YELLING staff. Can you believe how many of his jerseys would sell if he'd simply be good enough to be an every down player again?

I just have a hard time thinking the Redskins would be better off without him. He's healthy and has had two years to see that Gregg Williams can work miracles. If he's cut this offseason the 'Skins are saying we'd rather pay to not have you here (at least in a salary cap kind of way).

Then LaVar goes to San Diego, Baltimore or God-help-us Dallas and returns to the Pro Bowl level we know he can bring. Both sides have tried to make a point - hopefully this offseason they can get to where they're back to acting like professionals towards each other and he can become a beast again while still in Washington.

[DaSkinzBaby]

I posted the following in another thread but wanted to add it here as well:

We all don't know what is done and said behind closed doors. I can recall a rumor about Snyder saying something to LC about he would send him a TV to watch the games before he traded him away. I don't know anything more or less than anyone else, however I have my opinions and I think that simply judging by what I have seen and heard that Snyder is underhanded and arrogant! Most filthy rich people I have met are. Regardless whether LaVar was cheated out of 6.5 million or not he was still paid as the highest LB in the NFL. Yes that is a very large sum of money but LaVar needs to count his blessings. He still has youth, wealth and the lifestyle many people would sell thier soul for. He grew up with very meager means and now he resides in a 20K square foot home and brought his brother a home in VA. LaVar nor his family will never want for anything again. But as many people say - the more you have the more you want. That is what is so sad about it all. LaVar was my favorite Redskin and to see how he has handled situations is sad, but then again he was tabbed to be so great! the next coming of LT. All this shoved upon a young immature man. He read papers, watched NFL related shows and he started believing his own hype. There are many reasons as to this downfall and to simply blame LA is wrong we need to blame alot of people including Snyder. As you recall before Gibbs came back Snyder and many of his favorites ran things not the coaching staff so when bad habits are formed they are very hard to break. LaVar needs to give this to God, learn to shut up and play. If he is still the playmaker he once was his efforts will speak far louder than any of his words. Are you all with me on that?

[44Dieselfan]

Lavar is not bigger then the Redskins! No one is bigger then the Redskins, and if Lavar is pissed about not being the face the Redskins he needs to get out of town. I am so pissed that there is talk this week other than the Eagles! This weeks game is no easy walk in the park, and with these stupid articles coming out, it ain't going to be any easier. The damage is done, the articles can't be retracted, so I just hope the players don't let this crap become a distraction. If the skins lose this one, I know everyone is going to reference this crap this week as the cause!

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Funny, the story to me is what assignments was Arrington missing and why would he be accorded special treatmeant for not being confronted on his mistakes just because he's LaVar.
According someone special treatment is one thing but to seem
to go out of your way to embarass someone is quite another.

[Mufumonk]

Sorry guy, I disagree with you on this. Sometimes you have to do this type of thing. Especially if you have already benched him once this year. I will tell you that while I was in the Army, I had to do this type of thing to one of my soldiers. I had to set an example. When I tried to take this guy to the side and straighten him out (numerous times), it didn't work. So, I simply embarrased the hell out of him in front of his peers. Well to make a long story short, it worked. Yeah he b!tched and moaned to his boys, but in the end, he changed his ways.

I would say that there is probably more to this than what we know. I love Lavar, Hell I am a big Supporter of him. But bottom line is, if you don't do the job right, you may as well not even be doing it. The Redskins organization is larger than one guy. And although I may always root for Lavar, I will never stop rooting for the Skins.
HAIL


A. This isn't the armed forces.
B. Not everyone responds to the same type of "motivational tactics".
C. Try to belittle someone like that outside of the military and chances are you get your ass whooped.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

It is intriguing a major thrust of the article suggests it is wrong for the team to move away from individual marketing of LaVar which is LaVar's big concern too. The team is on the brink of a successful season with minimal help from LaVar.

A smart guy asked in a column he wrote a while back...



I prefer 9-6 and treating LaVar like garbage to 5-11 treating him like the man. Who's with me?
I prefer to be 9-6 and treating "everyone" with respect.

[Art]

According someone special treatment is one thing but to seem
to go out of your way to embarass someone is quite another.

Tell you what. If one of my subordinates hangs up on me when I'm correcting an error he's making, you can be sure I'll make sure HE and everyone in the organization knows that's not going to happen again. Because to treat him like a man means I expect him not to hang up on my calls, regardless of what I'm saying. Else, he's not a man at all.

[TLusby]

A. This isn't the armed forces.
B. Not everyone responds to the same type of "motivational tactics".
C. Try to belittle someone like that outside of the military and chances are you get your ass whooped.

I see you live in a professional world! The military is still regarded as the best management training grounds for new coporate executives. Junior officers are heavily recruited throughout corporate america. The problem with the U.S. workforce is the attitude that you display, and as for LA I would bench his medicore ass in an instant, or better yet, I would make him inactive!

[saubouin]

LAVAR hangs up on his boss because he doesn't like what he's hearing. Huh. Next time my boss calls me and tells me something I don't like I'm gonna give this new tactic a try.:rolleyes:

[Bigmuss1]

Lavar needs to be left alone, I understand the plight he is going thru. He is our best linebacker, and he needs to be on the field.

[CrazyZeb]

Lavar needs to be left alone, I understand the plight he is going thru. He is our best linebacker, and he needs to be on the field.
Marcus Washington is our best linebacker. Lavar being on the field is and always was up to him.

[ntotoro]

Lavar needs to be left alone, I understand the plight he is going thru. He is our best linebacker, and he needs to be on the field.

Did LaVar start wearing #53 some time this year... ? Seems like that guy is our best LB.

[stevenaa]

Oh No!! Poor wittle Lavar got his feelings hurt. I'm so tired of him. I don't care what blame lies where. He can't keep his mouth shut and needs to go. We play the biggest game we've played since '99 and we are having to deal with this crap. This totally sucks. All of the issues surrounding him are of no importance. Why did he have to open his stupid ass mouth this week. You supporters of him, answer me this? How does it not speak to the character of Lavar Arrington when he starts this controversy at this time? To say the timing is bad is the understatement of the year. He's shown total disregard for his team and his teammates.

None of us know the particulars of this alleged altercation. We don't know the particulars of what happens in practice, or what assignments he's missing during games. But we do know he lacks total professionalism when it comes to airing out his problems with the team in a public forum. If that doesn't make it obvious that Lavar is all about the "me", than you are nothing more than a Lavar homer.

[greenmile]

I see you live in a professional world! The military is still regarded as the best management training grounds for new coporate executives. Junior officers are heavily recruited throughout corporate america. The problem with the U.S. workforce is the attitude that you display, and as for LA I would bench his medicore ass in an instant, or better yet, I would make him inactive!

Great sig you've got, with the four of those guys all there. Especially Danny Boy, with that cigar. He looks so powerful and successful.

FCK Danny Boy! He's a filthy, greedy person. I'm surprised players that come here even want to win for this guy. He's got to go. I don't blame Lavar for anything. He probably was screwed out of 6 million by The Dan.

You think Lavar is causing issues!?! please, Lavar has played down everything, he's never tried to cause distractions. My god, imagine if we had a real distraction like TO?!, this place would go nuts.

I CANNOT believe the number of people that have turned on Lavar. I agree completely with Wise's article.

I see Dan Snyder and I see corruption. Thank god for Gibbs, hopefully he can shovel some of his character, genuineness on to the Dan.

[stevenaa]

Greenmile

"FCK Danny Boy! He's a filthy, greedy [epithet removed]."


That right there ought to get you permanantly banned. That is as offensive as you can be.

Edited to remove epithet ~ ihs

[ntotoro]

I have a strange feeling you won't be here much longer.

Edit: Greenmile... you forgot to conveniently edit out at least one of your epithets.

[iheartskins]

greenmile: that's probably the rudest post I've ever seen.

[smashmowf]

So if the Post got this article off first (before they little brother the WT) how would you people that are knocking Lavar feel?

[Inigo Montoya]

When I'm at work and I missed getting a signature on some document, my manager usually tells me to get it next time or ask the person to come back in and provide it.

She doesn't spend harangue me while I'm in the middle of wrapping up a deal.

she probably doesnt hit you in practice every day either:rolleyes:

[IrepDC]

Lavar needs to be left alone, I understand the plight he is going thru. He is our best linebacker, and he needs to be on the field.

Marcus Washington AND Lemar Marshall have outperformed LaVar this year.

[greenmile]

greenmile: that's probably the rudest post I've ever seen.

ok ok, i toned it down a bit. chill out.

[fansince62]

"I don't blame Lavar for anything. He probably was screwed out of 6 million by The Dan, but the jewish prick wouldn't give him a dime more.'

GET RID OF THIS GUY. MAKE HIM WALK THE LAST GREENMILE.

[CrazyZeb]

ok ok, i toned it down a bit. chill out.
You still need to go. We don't need people like you here.

[fansince62]

"Marcus Washington AND Lemar Marshall have outperformed LaVar this year.


so what does this prove? if you're on the bench due to conflicts with vthe coaches or injured for a large part of the season is there some great mystery here?

[Inigo Montoya]

Great sig you've got, with the four of those guys all there. Especially Danny Boy, with that cigar. He looks so powerful and successful.

FCK Danny Boy! He's a filthy, greedy person. I'm surprised players that come here even want to win for this guy. He's got to go. I don't blame Lavar for anything. He probably was screwed out of 6 million by The Dan.

You think Lavar is causing issues!?! please, Lavar has played down everything, he's never tried to cause distractions. My god, imagine if we had a real distraction like TO?!, this place would go nuts.

I CANNOT believe the number of people that have turned on Lavar. I agree completely with Wise's article.

I see Dan Snyder and I see corruption. Thank god for Gibbs, hopefully he can shovel some of his character, genuineness on to the Dan.

You are rude and have no point in all of your posts. :mad:

[stevenaa]

You still need to go. We don't need people like you here.


Ditto. I've seen some ugly post's, but that takes the cake.

[SkinsGuy]

Let's yield the fact that Williams and Blache are arrogant. Let's admit they are. My question is simple. So what?

Or, put a way I KNOW everyone can understand...

LaVar works for them. They don't work for LaVar. The employee caters his behavior to please his boss. You do it in your job. I do it in mine. For YEARS we were mad that players could end run the coaching staff and be more powerful than the staff. We were peeved the inmates were running the prison.

Now, ALL of you requesting the coaching staff treat LaVar with kid gloves are essentially begging for this organization to go back to the way of doing things when we sucked. What's the matter with you all?


Excellent post, Art.

That's what absolutely FLOORS me about these Arrington boosters.

They are actually advocating going back to the 'Post-Gibbs Era:1- Pre-Gibbs Era:2' days.

You know those 12 years when we STUNK?!?!

The days when the players ran things, there was a Club-Med atmosphere, players didn't care if we won or not. There were jewelery salesman in the locker rooms. cell phones going off routinely in meetings, players sleeping in the film room, or didn't come to meetings at all.

Just total unaccountability.

This all spilled over onto the field with lazy practices, undisciplined play, and a "Yeah, sure. Whatever, coach" attitude towards the staff.

It just STUNS me that these ridiculous Arrington boosters just can't GRASP that THIS is what Arrington wants to go back to. He wants to go back to the Club-Med, super-star system this team had. The days where he could do WHATEVER he wanted on the field and have no accountability for anything he did.

Back to the days when this team was rotting and decaying from within.

Gibbs and his staff have changed ALL that. We are on the cusp of the playoffs, (and maybe greater things in the future). But b/c they love this one guy more than they love the team, they want to go back to the nightmare of being a constant loser as long as Arrington is happy.

Sorry, I don't go along with that.

Arrington would rather be the LONE superstar of a perinnial 4-12 losing team, than just be one of guys on a perinnial 12-4 team.

His words show that.


And I don't go along with that, either. :)

[iheartskins]

ok ok, i toned it down a bit. chill out.

Sorry, but you can't be a bigot here.

And telling me to chill out after you wrote some incredibly insulting words isn't helping matters.

I hope you aren't as much of bigot offline as you've shown yourself to be in this thread.

[SKINZ_DOMIN8]

ALL of you Lavar lovers can take your homer garbage with him when he gets traded to Cleveland. You won't be missed by me since you aren't Redskins fans. Take your Lavar jersies, topps trading cards, your Lavar knicknacks and any other Lavar bilge you have with you.

It is amazing to me how you people defend his actions time and time again when he has DONE ABSOLUTELY FREAKING NOTHING for this franchise since he came here.

It is ALWAYS someone else's fault with Lavar.

Let me say it again: Isn't it funny we have had our 2 best Defensive years in recent history with Mr. "Can't Get Right" on the sideline?

I don't. I think it is quite telling just like in a Shakespearean play and we all know how those end.

[iheartskins]

I don't. I think it is quite telling just like in a Shakespearean play and we all know how those end.

Everyone dies? Do you know something we don't about the future of this team? :)

[TK]

Edit or not, another mic falls silent.

[Mufumonk]

I see you live in a professional world! The military is still regarded as the best management training grounds for new coporate executives. Junior officers are heavily recruited throughout corporate america. The problem with the U.S. workforce is the attitude that you display, and as for LA I would bench his medicore ass in an instant, or better yet, I would make him inactive!


You, me, LaVar, everyone else are human beings first and foremost. Why is the military regarded so highly in the work force? Because it creates mindless drones but that's another topic.

[IrepDC]

Great sig you've got, with the four of those guys all there. Especially Danny Boy, with that cigar. He looks so powerful and successful.

FCK Danny Boy! He's a filthy, greedy person. I'm surprised players that come here even want to win for this guy. He's got to go. I don't blame Lavar for anything. He probably was screwed out of 6 million by The Dan.

You think Lavar is causing issues!?! please, Lavar has played down everything, he's never tried to cause distractions. My god, imagine if we had a real distraction like TO?!, this place would go nuts.

I CANNOT believe the number of people that have turned on Lavar. I agree completely with Wise's article.

I see Dan Snyder and I see corruption. Thank god for Gibbs, hopefully he can shovel some of his character, genuineness on to the Dan.

:doh: isn't this guy an Eagles fan? I hope so, he shares their integrity(or lack there of). :doh:

[Inigo Montoya]

SkinsGuy and Art... those were poetical pieces of literature for everyone out there who can not get over LA. I am not jumping on any bandwagons of "i hate LA" he didnt deserve to go to his last Probowl, he hasnt made an impact in any games (SF aside, who couldnt look awesome against that offense?) He has always been HIPE!!! Oh and BTW, he costs us a lot of $$$$ which could be used to add productivity to our defense instead of drama b4 a huge game.

[smashmowf]

Tell you what. If one of my subordinates hangs up on me when I'm correcting an error he's making, you can be sure I'll make sure HE and everyone in the organization knows that's not going to happen again. Because to treat him like a man means I expect him not to hang up on my calls, regardless of what I'm saying. Else, he's not a man at all.

To me thats the confusion that sports cause when the subordinates (players) make far more than management (coaches). In some cases money creates a false since of power.

I am a Lavar fan and always will be...however I believe he was wrong to hang up on the coach....BUT....sitting a 3 time pro bowler for half a season, then trying to convince the fans and teams that he is not a pass rusher....thats a step in the wrong direction to me...I mean to say the guy misses assignments is one thing but to say he cant do something a simple as run directly the quarterback on 3 and 12 is......just weird....Overall I think both sides have faults in this mess.

[smashmowf]

Marcus Washington AND Lemar Marshall have outperformed LaVar this year.

Riiiiiight....and they have also played a heck of a lot more games than him...heck in his first game Lavar had more tackles than holdman had all season.

[smashmowf]

ALL of you Lavar lovers can take your homer garbage with him when he gets traded to Cleveland. You won't be missed by me since you aren't Redskins fans. Take your Lavar jersies, topps trading cards, your Lavar knicknacks and any other Lavar bilge you have with you.

It is amazing to me how you people defend his actions time and time again when he has DONE ABSOLUTELY FREAKING NOTHING for this franchise since he came here.

It is ALWAYS someone else's fault with Lavar.

Let me say it again: Isn't it funny we have had our 2 best Defensive years in recent history with Mr. "Can't Get Right" on the sideline?

I don't. I think it is quite telling just like in a Shakespearean play and we all know how those end.


So if I am a fan of Lavar...I am not a Redskin fan....thats absurd.

[MLSKINS]

Trad Lavar to the Texans and get Buchannon and a second rounder or something because I am tired of this.

[MonkeySkin]

LeVar needs to take some notes from Ramsey on how to handle things. If he want's to be treated like a man, he needs to act like one, and stop acting like a freaking baby.

Last year, he cried to the media that the coaches rushed him back on to the field to quickly... This year, he cried saying that the coaches were taking too long putting him back in action...

It's too late for LeVor. I don't think it's all his fault, because he definitely wasn't brought up right in the NFL... But there's no hope for him. It's too bad cause everyone likes him, and want's to see him do good. He's damaged goods, and some of that is the Redskins fault. But those days are over thanks to Gibbs...

But who cares about LoVar... Doesn't seem like the players really care about his B.S. Why should we? I think every single LuVor thread should be deteled, because it is rediculous that people talk about a guy who barely played this season, when the Skins might actually make it into the playoffs. Just like Gibbs said.

[iheartskins]

MonkeySkin, I see you've infused a little Nunyo-style spelling into your analysis. Nice touch. :)

[ntotoro]

But who cares about LoVar... Doesn't seem like the players really care about his B.S. Why should we? I think every single LuVor thread should be deteled, because it is rediculous that people talk about a guy who barely played this season, when the Skins might actually make it into the playoffs. Just like Gibbs said.

But LaVagina sells a lot of jerseys, so the Coaches have to treat him differently... :laugh:

[Titaw]

I am a huge Lavar fan because he is such a great guy personally. With that said I think it is time for the Skins and Arrington to part ways. He simply does not fit in here. He needs to be part of an organizaton that exploits his talents but does not restrict what he does on the field. I hope the best for him, but it is for the best intrests of both player and team to part ways at ths time.

[Inigo Montoya]

Riiiiiight....and they have also played a heck of a lot more games than him...heck in his first game Lavar had more tackles than holdman had all season.

In his first game we played the 49ers!!!!! And I dont think you are a bad fan fan for liking LaVar I just dont understand all the hype for this guy???:(

[TheGuru10]

Tell you what. If one of my subordinates hangs up on me when I'm correcting an error he's making, you can be sure I'll make sure HE and everyone in the organization knows that's not going to happen again. Because to treat him like a man means I expect him not to hang up on my calls, regardless of what I'm saying. Else, he's not a man at all.

Since when did Lindsey become LaVars boss? With that rational Bill Lazor is LaVars boss too. Cummon. They are co-workers, working together on a TEAM. Joe Gibbs is his boss, Dan Snyder is his boss. Dale Lindsey isn't his boss. How many bosses make 12 million dollars less per year than their "subordinates."

[TheGuru10]

Trad Lavar to the Texans and get Buchannon and a second rounder or something because I am tired of this.

Yeah, everyone wants a guy who can't see the field for the Texans on their team.

[MonkeySkin]

MonkeySkin, I see you've infused a little Nunyo-style spelling into your analysis. Nice touch. :)

:laugh:

You guys should delete every single LeVer thread there is. Maybe even enter his name in the the bad word database, so when someone types his name it'll look like *****.

[stevenaa]

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Ouch!!!!!! And :notworthy :applause:

[ntotoro]

Since when did Lindsey become LaVars boss? With that rational Bill Lazor is LaVars boss too. Cummon. They are co-workers, working together on a TEAM.

Co-workers? He's the position Coach. That makes him LaVauntleroy's direct supervisor.


How many bosses make 12 million dollars less per year than their "subordinates."

Coach Gibbs make significantly less than LaWanda.

[SkinsGuy]

Since when did Lindsey become LaVars boss? With that rational Bill Lazor is LaVars boss too. Cummon. They are co-workers, working together on a TEAM. Joe Gibbs is his boss, Dan Snyder is his boss. Dale Lindsey isn't his boss. How many bosses make 12 million dollars less per year than their "subordinates."


Lindsey IS his boss. Just like Williams is Lindsey's boss. Just like Gibbs is Williams boss.

You understand how it works now? It's that chain-of-command thing.

[IrepDC]

"Marcus Washington AND Lemar Marshall have outperformed LaVar this year.


so what does this prove? if you're on the bench due to conflicts with vthe coaches or injured for a large part of the season is there some great mystery here?


Just stating the fact that LaVar is NOT the best LB on this team. My point is that, our defense doesn't NEED LaVar as much as some make it seem.

It's not like you see a big difference in how well our D plays when he is out. I saw more of a difference when Griffin was out and when Taylor was out. Why? Because they have become core players on this defense, LaVar is not. Whether he is in the game or not we aren't much better OR worse. He doesn't significantly help our run D or pass D or turnover ratio. He does seem to make a lot of tackles for a loss though, I will give him that. :2cents:

[Hail_to_Kessel]

A player in a gameday dispute with his position coach........shocking!!!!! :silly:

Pick your favorite cliche:

a) Tempest in a teapot
b) It's not a party until somebody cries

Plenty of time to sort all this out later. For now, strap it up & play some ball....

Cheers,

CLBinMD

P.S. I don't know what assignments LA is supposed to have missed but thank God he stayed with the full-back in the flat on Eli's rollout. The Giants - and just about everyone else - have made fools of the 'Skins D on that play for longer than I care to remember.

Amen to that! *cough*Holdmen*cough*

[Tom10Y]

I must agree, every one wants to win no matter the cost. Every one preaches team first but turn a blind eye to the way the organization treats the players.

Lavar has definitely done his share but I believe Snyder is a snake and has done his fair share of backstabbing. Just because Danny boy does it behind closed doors does not make it right.

Too many "core" players have chosen to hit the door and none of them have had good things to say about the way the organization has treated them. I just hope JG can not only turn the team around but can also return honor and dignity to the Redskin name.

Maybe it's too late for Lavar, the situation has gone on too long and there is no way to resolve except for a cordial goodbye. I do agree with most of you though, the timing couldn't be worse.

I agree with this. A lot of people argue that Lavar is being dramatic. First of all, if you were in his shoes, woudn't you feel the same way? Proclaiming that you live and breathe a Redskin and would retire here, then the organization tries to move you out, or at leat that is what it seems. Has anyone ever considered that this could very much be an issue behind closed doors and that its all about the Owner trying to prove something?

Lavar never wanted more money. That issue they had was about a Contract that both parties agreed upon. Whether Lavar was correct or not, he still dropped the issue. He is no way comparable to TO.

[fansince62]

Irep...I respectfully disagree. There is another point-of-view: take bona fide talent and through leadership draw out its full potential. find a way. create an organization whose core culture does this.

I know one thing - every time I hear a Redskin defensive player respond to an LA question without hesitation they all want him on the field.

[ntotoro]

I agree with this. A lot of people argue that Lavar is being dramatic. First of all, if you were in his shoes, woudn't you feel the same way? Proclaiming that you live and breathe a Redskin and would retire here, then the organization tries to move you out, or at leat that is what it seems. Has anyone ever considered that this could very much be an issue behind closed doors and that its all about the Owner trying to prove something?

Lavar never wanted more money. That issue they had was about a Contract that both parties agreed upon. Whether Lavar was correct or not, he still dropped the issue. He is no way comparable to TO.

Except that the issue was behind closed doors until LaKeisha started slapping her jaws to anyone who would listen.

LaTonja didn't drop the issue. Coach Gibbs handled it and the contract was re-done, in case you forgot. The whole issue was over the Poston's signing and initialing every page on the contract, then saying afterward that something was missing. If LaToya should be mad at anyone, it's her agents.

[radagast5]

Simple.

Because LaVar views being treated like *a* man as a person who is not confronted on his mistakes and who is given everything without having to work for it. That's LaVar's view of being treated with respect. Anything short of that treatment to LaVar appears to be disrespect and he won't have it.

I WANT my coaching staff to be strong enough to get in the face of EVERY player on my favorite team and snap them back for their mistakes. If there's a fan of this team who hasn't YEARNED for the same thing for a dozen years, let me know, as I'm pretty sure none of you would sign up.

Why treat LaVar differently than every other player on the team is treated? Why avoid making calls to the sideline to tell him to focus better on his assignments just because he doesn't like it? What's wrong with you people?



Whoa, hoss; you mistook what I said.

When I wrote about treating LaVar like *a* man, I didn't mean LaVar's definition of the idea, but the common sense version of the idea.

By all means, treat the players equally. By all means, gut them like a fish if they make a mental mistake that they should have learned in rookie mini-camp. But---and to be clear, I'm not giving LaVar license to be an egoist, or giving credence to the self-pity party he's undergoing in trying to deal with a diminished role---treating players the same cuts both ways.

For instance: there was a great deal of understandable acrimony over the contract issue, but a professional, say Dan Rooney for instance, doesn't bark "Don't talk to me!" when a player approaches to say hello. That's Snyder letting personal feelings dictate his professional demeanor. You think he would have said that to Warrick Holdman, or Cory Raymer? Of course not, so if you're going to treat your players the same, you have to afford Arrington the same civility regardless of past contract issues.

Additionally, I don't know what level of freelancing LaVar does that causes such consternation among the staff, and I do understand the value of having everyone play within the system. However, I can guarantee you that Carlos Rogers, for instance, made mental errors. He's a rookie, and there's a learning curve involved. Yet, he wasn't effectively benched for six games was he?

I completely agree with what you say, Art, Arrington should be cipher #56 on the Redskin roster, not LaVar "Genuflect When You Say That, Pal" Arrington. But I think there is a moderate level of acrimony that has created an inequitable attitude towards him from Snyder, and somewhat from the staff, as if he's not quite cipher #56 in their eyes, but LaVar "Freelancing, Whining, Litigator" Arrington.

[BayouBrave86]

You can tell the face of the team has clearly shifted to Cooley and Portis after that interview yesterday. Back in the day, if Lavar wasn't in a dispute with the team and what not, he would've been out there with Ryan Clark. Sad to see really. It really dawned on me yesterday watching that interview.

[fansince62]

"LaTonja didn't drop the issue. Coach Gibbs handled it and the contract was re-done, in case you forgot. The whole issue was over the Poston's signing and initialing every page on the contract, then saying afterward that something was missing. If LaToya should be mad at anyone, it's her agents."

unless...of course....someone did pull a fast one. that is an action independent of agent incompetence.

[fansince62]

btw...who has the power in all of this?

[ntotoro]

btw...who has the power in all of this?

Squeaky wheel gets the greasin'... ;)

[stevenaa]

Irep...I respectfully disagree. There is another point-of-view: take bona fide talent and through leadership draw out its full potential. find a way. create an organization whose core culture does this.

I know one thing - every time I hear a Redskin defensive player respond to an LA question without hesitation they all want him on the field.


Of course they do. He's an immense talent when healthy, and teammates support one another. It's a fraternity. Eagles players were saying the same thing about TO up until he was deactivated. Then they spoke their true mind.

Just because players show support, doesn't mean playing him is best for the team.

[IrepDC]

To me thats the confusion that sports cause when the subordinates (players) make far more than management (coaches). In some cases money creates a false since of power.

I am a Lavar fan and always will be...however I believe he was wrong to hang up on the coach....BUT....sitting a 3 time pro bowler for half a season, then trying to convince the fans and teams that he is not a pass rusher....thats a step in the wrong direction to me...I mean to say the guy misses assignments is one thing but to say he cant do something a simple as run directly the quarterback on 3 and 12 is......just weird....Overall I think both sides have faults in this mess.

Getting sacks on 3rd down isn't as easy as "running directly to the QB" as you claim in your post. You are exaggerating a tad. And if LaVar was such a "sack artist", why can't he get one on first or second down. The coaches have blitzed him on 1st and 2nd down in pass situatuions before. How many sacks does he have? ZERO, so don't be so sure that we are holding Derrick Thomas out of the game on 3rd downs, it's just LaVar.

[stevenaa]

"LaTonja didn't drop the issue. Coach Gibbs handled it and the contract was re-done, in case you forgot. The whole issue was over the Poston's signing and initialing every page on the contract, then saying afterward that something was missing. If LaToya should be mad at anyone, it's her agents."

unless...of course....someone did pull a fast one. that is an action independent of agent incompetence.

A fast one can't be pulled in contract negotiations. The contract is fully read before signing. The agent admitted to not fully reading the contract. Changes are made to contracts before they are submitted for signing all the time.

[halter91]

fun ny how this didn't come out until now.

[ntotoro]

unless...of course....someone did pull a fast one. that is an action independent of agent incompetence.

The Acura dealer tried that with the interest rate before I bought my last car. I caught it. Doesn't excuse the agents from doing their jobs poorly. The same time, that's an awfully big gratuitous assertion that no one can prove and can be equally gratuitously denied.

[ballhog44]

Instead of making this argument a big deal, they should focus on Sunday's game and play hard. There is no room for any distraction. Beating the eagles should be number one.

[hiswadeness]

In LA's Monday interview he sais he was being himself on the field. We all know what that means, he was not going to cover a specific assigment. The simple fact is LA does not fit in this defensive scheme. With that said I would rather have LA in a coma on the field than Holdman. on the field 100% healthy. I wis LA the best wherever he goes. I doubt it will be in Washington.

[hokie4redskins]

I think Mike Wise is about to get black-balled.

[ntotoro]

I think Mike Wise is about to get black-balled.

By LaVar? :paranoid:

[bigjumbo1971]

This is not fact at all. The problem with you is that you get all your information from Extremeskins.com. You have to go outside the box man. Go to Redskins.com and check out GW's comments on Lavar. He says he is PROUD of Lavar for how he has handled things this season. Jeremiah Trotter was quoted this week about how he has heard that Lavar's professionalism and work ethic have changed dramatically. Lavar came on 980 this week and gave his teammates, coaches (he named lindsey specifically) much credit. Said there schemes were allowing them to win. Now the media comes out with some stuff and you bury Lavar. Leave the box, see all there is to see.


Good post

It seems to me that the only people distracted by his comments are the fans...he's not TO

also anyone who thinks we are a better team with holdman in has forgotten the Denver and KC games....if we were better with him on the bench these same coaches that you (and I) praise would have left him on the bench

[TODD]

NOW it's a distraction. You bring coaches, owners, and in-game/post-game blow-ups into this situation, THEN you have yourself a distraction.

The Times' LaVar article was only a primer for this crap. The Post should be ashamed for writing something like this. It doesn't matter if they have a bad/bitter relationship with the team's ownership, you are hurting the fans... YOUR SUBSCRIBERS... by writing crap like this.

[skinzplay]

The fact that he invited a reporter TO HIS HOME to vent against the coaches and organization says all that needs to be said. And then to read this Wise editorial......it's just too much. I don't blame the Post or the Times. I blame Lavar.

[smashmowf]

Getting sacks on 3rd down isn't as easy as "running directly to the QB" as you claim in your post. You are exaggerating a tad. And if LaVar was such a "sack artist", why can't he get one on first or second down. The coaches have blitzed him on 1st and 2nd down in pass situatuions before. How many sacks does he have? ZERO, so don't be so sure that we are holding Derrick Thomas out of the game on 3rd downs, it's just LaVar.

Oops I am so sorry I forgot that Derrick Thomas recorded a sack EVERY time he blitzed....and dude come on you know you understand what I am saying...if they really wanted to utilze his talent send him off the corner..put him in a three point stance it can be done they did it with clemons (Lewis did it with Lavar)....and another thing the FEW times he has blitzed on first or second down it as been up the middle....not many people make a consistent living (especially at 250) sacking people by blitzing up the middle....further more I never said the guy was Derrick Thomas but he is better than either clemons, holdman and Marshall. :2cents:

[Sknzfan]

Look Guy's & Ladies.......This is ALL " MY " Fault !
I bought an ARRINGTON Jersey last fall and that is the REASON this Situation is coming to Fuitition( sp )
I will NOW have to hang the Jersey next to my WESTBROOK and WILKINSON Jersey's......
I did have Quite a Dilemma Picking a Jersey last fall......I wanted a COLES Jersey Pretty bad....I loved the Guy !!! I was Also Looking at a SMOT Jersey...on's of HEART for such a Small DB........I Choose ARRINGTON....SO BLAME " ME " !!!!

[FloridaSkinsFan2]

I cany beleive the skins fans are all over Arrington like this....The guy can play ball and wants nothing more but to play and play well..We are all humans and make mistakes and Im sure he does miss assignments from time to time...Im sure others do as well. I saw a few here call LA a crybaby and what not..


"It ended with Arrington telling Lindsey to "Back off!" and "Treat me like a man!" According to two persons privy to the altercation, the coach went a tad more overboard than the player.

"I was thinking, 'Enough already,' " said one player, on condition of anonymity. "Let LaVar be."


It sounds and looks to me that Coach Lindsey got personal and disrespectful..How is saying "treat me like a man" crying? Wouldnt you want to be treated with respect and talked to like a man or human?? Hell, another player is quoted as saying ""I was thinking, 'Enough already,' " "Let LaVar be."...What does these tell you?

LA is a great ball player and deserves some respect, not only from the coaches but the fans..

We all hear about LA missing assignment from the coaching staff and other on the board, but you never hear the coaches talk about "other" players missing assignments

If LA was the only one missing assignment im sure we would have won the division, had a 1st round bye and home field advantage throughout, but we dont. What does this say? LA is not the only one missing assignments

BIG Skins fan in Florida

just my .02 worth

[Dirk Diggler]

unless...of course....someone did pull a fast one. that is an action independent of agent incompetence.

Makes perfect sense. The Redskins, who have been accused of overpaying for every free agent and coach they've ever signed, suddenly become sheisty and "pull a fast one." An owner who spares no expense for anything burgundy and gold figures he can rob the so-called face of the franchise and most marketable player.

The only person who has committed theft is Lavar Arrington. No defensive player in the league has pocketed more bucks than Lavar Arrington since 2000 despite inconsistent results on the field. He's the biggest scam artist of them all.

[TODD]

For what it's worth, here's a response I gave my brother-in-law when he wrote this on our fantasy b-ball board.

"While the articles may not be well-timed for the Skins, it may just be that the journalists in question may be more worried about presenting news and stories as opposed to worrying about how it might affect the team. It isn't exactly the papers' jobs to present the Skins a certain way."

In regard to the Times, there was no news... they MADE the news by asking the incriminating questions and releasing the article at a time when they could've released it at the end of the season just as well as the ill-time that they did. They wrote that article with the sole purpose of creating controversy... controversy that likely violates any etiquette that a local paper has for the home team.

I guarantee this crap doesn't happen in Green Bay, Kansas City, Indianapolis, etc. etc.

And how obvious is it that these papers always seem to have a score to settle with the Skins. See: Sally Jenkins, Nunyo's innumerable errors (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96374) and the subsequent and deserved bad-mouthing the Skins would present in response, the latest Wise article, Gibbs calling out the Post in the offseason).

You're right, Mike, in that it isn't their job to present the Skins a way. However, I don't think that is the point. They should be supportive of a Washington team and not beating a dead-horse, that being LaVar. The Times had exactly three LaVar quotes and warped them into a speculation orgy.

I will give Wise's article this: it was news that LaVar had these verbal altercations. And I'm not defending LaVar any more after reading Wise's article because it was eye-opening. BUT, the same shock value could have been released at season's end and Skins fans wouldn't have to feel negatively about one of our starters while we are still in season. That is the problem I have.

[IrepDC]

Since when did Lindsey become LaVars boss? With that rational Bill Lazor is LaVars boss too. Cummon. They are co-workers, working together on a TEAM. Joe Gibbs is his boss, Dan Snyder is his boss. Dale Lindsey isn't his boss. How many bosses make 12 million dollars less per year than their "subordinates."

Don't be so quick to base authority on money. LaVar is probably the second highest paid individual in this entire organization next to Snyder. That doesn't put him above Gibbs or any of his coaching staff. Lindsey is one of Gibbs assistants, the players should view him as an extention of Gibbs that overlooks a certain position. That position is LB. So, for LaVar to disrespect Lindsey(his supervisor) is to disrespect Gibbs, who chose Lindsey to overlook the LB's. If the LB's aren't performing up to par, Lindsey is held accountable, therefore, he is obviously above LaVar. And thus, he may not be LaVars "boss" but he IS his coach. This enigma is known as American Football.

[TODD]

I cany beleive the skins fans are all over Arrington like this....The guy can play ball and wants nothing more but to play and play well..We are all humans and make mistakes and Im sure he does miss assignments from time to time...Im sure others do as well. I saw a few here call LA a crybaby and what not..


"It ended with Arrington telling Lindsey to "Back off!" and "Treat me like a man!" According to two persons privy to the altercation, the coach went a tad more overboard than the player.

"I was thinking, 'Enough already,' " said one player, on condition of anonymity. "Let LaVar be."


It sounds and looks to me that Coach Lindsey got personal and disrespectful..How is saying "treat me like a man" crying? Wouldnt you want to be treated with respect and talked to like a man or human?? Hell, another player is quoted as saying ""I was thinking, 'Enough already,' " "Let LaVar be."...What does these tell you?

LA is a great ball player and deserves some respect, not only from the coaches but the fans..

We all hear about LA missing assignment from the coaching staff and other on the board, but you never hear the coaches talk about "other" players missing assignments

If LA was the only one missing assignment im sure we would have won the division, had a 1st round bye and home field advantage throughout, but we dont. What does this say? LA is not the only one missing assignments

BIG Skins fan in Florida

just my .02 worth


But look at all the news that has come out of LaVar this season-- all negative. He's played some good ball in '05, but like other past Redskins, he's not gonna work after this year. The drama is exceeding his play... and I wouldn't have said that until today's article.

[DaSkinzBaby]

ALL of you Lavar lovers can take your homer garbage with him when he gets traded to Cleveland. You won't be missed by me since you aren't Redskins fans. Take your Lavar jersies, topps trading cards, your Lavar knicknacks and any other Lavar bilge you have with you.

It is amazing to me how you people defend his actions time and time again when he has DONE ABSOLUTELY FREAKING NOTHING for this franchise since he came here.

It is ALWAYS someone else's fault with Lavar.

Let me say it again: Isn't it funny we have had our 2 best Defensive years in recent history with Mr. "Can't Get Right" on the sideline?

I don't. I think it is quite telling just like in a Shakespearean play and we all know how those end.

So going to the probowl isn't doing something for this organization? restructuring your contract to provide relief is nothing? How many times have you restructured your salary for your company? When this team was lousy it was LaVar that people tuned into IMHO the hits on Aikman, Emmitt, Vick or the interception run back for a TD that brought the team back against the Panthers and turned the season around. That is nothing! What about the game he hit someone so hard he gave himself a concussion and Sam Huff praised his desire that too is nothing. Remember one thing! No NFL contract is etched in stone and these men are 1 hit away from injury and they have a right to get as much money as they can. Remember the Redskins are the #1 money making team in the NFL. So in no way is LaVar a saint but don't ever try to insult my intelligence about what HE AND HE ALONE did for this organization when no one else on the roster was even fit to sniff his jock strap. :2cents:

[IrepDC]

I believe some of LaVars teammates were quoted as saying "Enought already, let him(LaVar) be"

I have seen those quotes used used throughout this thread to prove that LaVars teammates are behind him.

Not necessarily, we don't know the tone of those comments. On one hand, the players could be saying get off LaVars back he doesn't deserve this, OR, the players could be saying don't bother waisting your time with LaVar he aint gonna listen.

How those words WERE said, we don't know. My point is, anyone can twist the quotes to sound a certain way.

I would say that LaVar's quotes could also be misquotes, but, hey then we wouldn't have anything to debate would we.

[ThaGibbskin]

People, lets not forget that Wise hates the redskins and always comes out with these skins bashing articles RIGHT before our big games. I hate him and really dont believe most of the BS he writes.

[jimster]

I totally agree- as soon as a player has an argument with management or leaves because of business reasons we all turn on him. To tell you the truth I still love Smoot and Pierce. When teams cut players that have given there all to an organization- where is the outrage???


outrage? at the organization? Both players left for a small amount of money. - All teams have to work within the confines of the salary cap. It would be irresponsible to pay every player whatever they want. - You're mad at the wrong people.

[TD Riggo]

i think he prefers the player who dont run his mouth 24/7/365 and cause problems :applause: :helmet: :applause:


You mean the player who was released from Cleveland, is lucky to still have a job in the NFL, and who really doesn't have ANY reason to talk to the Press?! :rolleyes:

[TODD]

People, lets not forget that Wise hates the redskins and always comes out with these skins bashing articles RIGHT before our big games. I hate him and really dont believe most of the BS he writes.

Examples?

[Bizkiteer]

Tell you what. If one of my subordinates hangs up on me when I'm correcting an error he's making, you can be sure I'll make sure HE and everyone in the organization knows that's not going to happen again. Because to treat him like a man means I expect him not to hang up on my calls, regardless of what I'm saying. Else, he's not a man at all.

You know that is not right Art because in any professional business a supervisor CAN NOT treat an employee however he or she chooses. You are not allowed to curse at employees, harass and so forth. I hope your Manager doesn't take the same approach with you because if they do...you should leave the company as fast as possible. Also, I didn't know that holding on to a phone call while being put down made a boy a man. :rolleyes: You sense the sarcasm there? Just making a point, step back a bit and don't get so emotional.

[jimster]

I dont care if we win the Super Bowl. The truth on the Lavar situation is something everyone on this board will never know. Snyder had killed his career here for obvious reasons. He will be cut and go somewhere and everyone here will say he sucks and he will continue to go to pro bowls like champ. Its funny how people on this board are can turn on players so quickly after gushing about them earlier.


Snyder killed his career? Have you not been hearing about every time something doesn't go Lavar's way, he is pointing the finger at someone else? - All Snyder did is give him a huge pay-day and the coaches now expect him to earn it.

[CrazyZeb]

Snyder killed his career? Have you not been hearing about every time something doesn't go Lavar's way, he is pointing the finger at someone else? - All Snyder did is give him a huge pay-day and the coaches now expect him to earn it.
I think Snyder must have sent Jeff Gillooly to take out his knee!

[TD Riggo]

We all hear about LA missing assignment from the coaching staff and other on the board, but you never hear the coaches talk about "other" players missing assignments

If LA was the only one missing assignment im sure we would have won the division, had a 1st round bye and home field advantage throughout, but we dont. What does this say? LA is not the only one missing assignments

BIG Skins fan in Florida

just my .02 worth


From another lifelong Skins fan in Florida ..

Let's also not forget that Lindsey has had a chip on his shoulder against LA since he got here. He wanted his boy Holdman, he got him, and now he's trying to stir up crap about LA. The player comment regarding "Enough already," is telling enough. Lindsey lost the first series earlier in the season when the fans showed their love for Lavar and forced their hand.

Should Lavar have hung up the phone on a coach. No. However, I've smelled something wrong since the beginning of the season with Arrington-gate Part Uno. We were not privvy to the potential abuse that the player-shoving, self-described ******* coach was spewing on the phone to a player. Earlier I was somewhat joking about "cut[ting] Lindsey." However, the more I think about it, if Lindsey shoved his player for WHATEVER reason, I think the hothead should be fired. He's even admitted that he's a jerk. If all of this is true, it should be the coach who is outta here before next season! Gibbs is too good of a man to allow a self-admitted jerk of a coach to be part of his team! IMO, you can look no farther than Lindsey to see who has been the instigator of all of the Arrington nonsense.

Now .. let's win in Philthy!

[jimster]

Examples?


one small example of his spin is he states in the article that Lavar dropped the arbritration. - uh, no he didn't. - If the teams' intent all along was to get rid of Lavar, then why did we throw Lavar a bone and agree to keep him and not ask to have the new contract voided, making him tradable?

...why wasn't that mentioned? - Because it would make the team look like they were being amicable and that would go against eveything the Post believes in.

[ouvan59]

The fact that he invited a reporter TO HIS HOME to vent against the coaches and organization says all that needs to be said. And then to read this Wise editorial......it's just too much. I don't blame the Post or the Times. I blame Lavar.

Someone mentioned this yesterday but my guess is that Lavar didn't invite Elgin into his home to vent about the Skins. But it is a reporters job to get a story and I'm certain that 99.9999% of what Lavar talked about was the kind of positive stuff you hear on the John Thompson Show each week.

That is what Lavar is probably talking about when he says the comments were taken out of context. I guarantee that Lavar mentioned about 10 times in the interview that he is just happy to be back playing and that he is totally focused on Philly and he really wants to help the team.

At some point however Elgin baited him with a comment about the offseason and in trying to sound like the good soldier he said that he would rather retire than go to another team and gave Elgin the opening he was probably hoping for the whole time. The portion of the interview that Elgin focused on probably took up about 20 seconds of the hour that he was there.

Now that being WTF is Lavar thinking granting the interview in the 1st place during the biggest week of his pro football career? He is either on of two thing, incredibly stupid or a complete narcissist.

Now on to the Mike Wise article. You can't condemn Lavar for this article because it wasn't his doing that it came out. Wise was just going with the old adage "Good news is bad news" for the print and radio industry. Everything has been going too well for the Skins and the media is trying to stir the pot to make their jobs more interesting. The Post has written way too many fluff pieces lately and needed to spice things up. Unfortunately the fluff pieces were about Tom Coughlin and Bill Parcells.

But the article itself did bring up some extremely worrisome issues if everything reported is factual.

It is clear that the whole "Lavar is finally buying into the system" is a fallacy. There is zero chance that he is here next year. There are obviously two very distinct schools on this much like in politics. Once school defends Lavar no matter what while the other is ready to cast him into the abyss.

Much like politics I fall somewhere in the middle. I want Lavar to be a Redskin for life but not on his terms. I like Lavar and he seems like a nice guy but from all evidence I like and trust this coaching staff more. Too many coaches have said the same things. Should Dale Lindsay have publicly berated him? Probably not but nobody here has any idea how the situation played out. What mistakes were made and are they mistakes he has made many times before? Lavar wants to be treated like a man and then acts like a little baby when he gets yelled at. Do you really think that Lindsay was yelling at him because he was doing his job correctly?

People also keep equating this situation to situations they have had in their lives. Guess what? The NFL is not like your life. The stakes of what they do on Sunday is huge and you can't equate it to the time you forgot to attach the TPS cover page to your fax. You can undo most of the mistakes in your job with a phone call or an email. You can't undo giving up a touchdown.

Lastly for all the people talking about how much better the team is with Lavar in there please explain this:

Redskins with Lavar playing extended minutes: 4-4 20.9 ppg allowed
Redskins without Lavar playing extended minutes: 5-2 15.1 ppg allowed

And before you credit the Skins record with him to the offensive production we have averaged 24.1 with him in the lineup while only 19.3 with him out of the lineup.

[MartinC]

That's because we didn't know what assignments he missed. He very well could have blitzed when he was in a flats zone. We don't know. Then again, we also don't know if he actually did miss assignments...

I guess we will probably never REALLY know - but it does not come as a surprise that Arrington missed assignments.If he will not run the play called sit him and then either trade him or cut him. Period.

[Bizkiteer]

Someone mentioned this yesterday but my guess is that Lavar didn't invite Elgin into his home to vent about the Skins. But it is a reporters job to get a story and I'm certain that 99.9999% of what Lavar talked about was the kind of positive stuff you hear on the John Thompson Show each week.

That is what Lavar is probably talking about when he says the comments were taken out of context. I guarantee that Lavar mentioned about 10 times in the interview that he is just happy to be back playing and that he is totally focused on Philly and he really wants to help the team.

At some point however Elgin baited him with a comment about the offseason and in trying to sound like the good soldier he said that he would rather retire than go to another team and gave Elgin the opening he was probably hoping for the whole time. The portion of the interview that Elgin focused on probably took up about 20 seconds of the hour that he was there.

Now that being WTF is Lavar thinking granting the interview in the 1st place during the biggest week of his pro football career? He is either on of two thing, incredibly stupid or a complete narcissist.

Now on to the Mike Wise article. You can't condemn Lavar for this article because it wasn't his doing that it came out. Wise was just going with the old adage "Good news is bad news" for the print and radio industry. Everything has been going too well for the Skins and the media is trying to stir the pot to make their jobs more interesting. The Post has written way too many fluff pieces lately and needed to spice things up. Unfortunately the fluff pieces were about Tom Coughlin and Bill Parcells.

But the article itself did bring up some extremely worrisome issues if everything reported is factual.

It is clear that the whole "Lavar is finally buying into the system" is a fallacy. There is zero chance that he is here next year. There are obviously two very distinct schools on this much like in politics. Once school defends Lavar no matter what while the other is ready to cast him into the abyss.

Much like politics I fall somewhere in the middle. I want Lavar to be a Redskin for life but not on his terms. I like Lavar and he seems like a nice guy but from all evidence I like and trust this coaching staff more. Too many coaches have said the same things. Should Dale Lindsay have publicly berated him? Probably not but nobody here has any idea how the situation played out. What mistakes were made and are they mistakes he has made many times before? Lavar wants to be treated like a man and then acts like a little baby when he gets yelled at. Do you really think that Lindsay was yelling at him because he was doing his job correctly?

People also keep equating this situation to situations they have had in their lives. Guess what? The NFL is not like your life. The stakes of what they do on Sunday is huge and you can't equate it to the time you forgot to attach the TPS cover page to your fax. You can undo most of the mistakes in your job with a phone call or an email. You can't undo giving up a touchdown.

Lastly for all the people talking about how much better the team is with Lavar in there please explain this:

Redskins with Lavar playing extended minutes: 4-4 20.9 ppg allowed
Redskins without Lavar playing extended minutes: 5-2 15.1 ppg allowed

And before you credit the Skins record with him to the offensive production we have averaged 24.1 with him in the lineup while only 19.3 with him out of the lineup.

Nicely said! :applause: As much as you love both, you realize it takes two to tango and they probably won't be dancing for too much longer.

[DaSkinzBaby]

Well all know that the NFL owners have there own private club. I am sure that Snyder can drop enough words to devalue any athlete on this team and I don't think that would be such a stretch. Add LaVar not being able to stop running his mouth and that would only validate whatever Snyder MAY BE OR MAY HAVE said. Look at the collective bargaining agreement, that is the problem the owners want more and more of the money and not even gaurantee contracts for a highly VIOLENT sport. When is enough money enough money? Let's see how the owners would feel if the roles were reversed! What also should be kept in mind is this is a game, anyone paying millions of dollars for a "game" to young kids that no nothing about life is a shame in the first place. But heck we now have people playing video games as a profession and earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year while teachers are just above poverty! As Arnold said in the terminator "IT'S ALL BULL ***** DILLION"

[jimster]

This is not fact at all. The problem with you is that you get all your information from Extremeskins.com. You have to go outside the box man. Go to Redskins.com and check out GW's comments on Lavar. He says he is PROUD of Lavar for how he has handled things this season. Jeremiah Trotter was quoted this week about how he has heard that Lavar's professionalism and work ethic have changed dramatically. Lavar came on 980 this week and gave his teammates, coaches (he named lindsey specifically) much credit. Said there schemes were allowing them to win. Now the media comes out with some stuff and you bury Lavar. Leave the box, see all there is to see.


Amen, brother.

One big reason an article like this is written is because of this thread - 30 pages of reactions. - That was Wise's number 1 goal.

[JimmiJo]

"Snyder had killed his career here for obvious reasons."

Dear Mr. Snyder,

Can you please "kill my career" but treating me as you did Mr. Arrington. I would like you to treat me the same way - especially the part where you pay me millions of dollars and invite me to hang out in your personal box.

[jimster]

here's a picture of Lindsey on the phone with Lavar

[jimster]

...and the training room afterwards

[drone007]

Maybe LaVar really IS stupid, because he can't seem to stop tying his own rope. His hands are just autonomous at this point... One step closer to the edge of the plank, one might say. :laugh:

I love the way he plays, but jeez... Any normal human being would've decided already to just not talk to the press for the rest of the season. This guy doesn't seem to have a clue. :doh:

[Lead Blocker]

The response here is interesting.

An article comes out that puts LaVar in a bad light and the general response on this board is to bash him.

An article comes out that supports LaVar and the general response on this board is to bash him some more.

I've even seen posts on this board blindly supporting assistant coaches who have been here for two years versus a player who has been here since 2000.

More than likely, there is blame to go on both sides. Blame that we on the outside will not know about.

I wonder if the defensive back coaches dogged Shawn Springs during and after the 1st Philly game when Gregg Williams singled him out on TV for the blown assignment that led to Reggie Brown's TD. Did they dog Shawn Springs during and after the TB game when G. Williams singled him out again for a missed zone assignment that led to a big gain by Galloway.

I'm pointing this out because there appears to be this belief that only LaVar misses assignments on the field or that coaches are only singling out LaVar.

You have to wonder: Did Dale Lindsay dog Warrick Holdman the same way when big running plays were executed to his side of the field? Of course, I don't know if he missed the assignment, but he didn't make the plays (plural) either. If memory serves me, the coaching staff protected Holdman during that period and never singled him out.

If you are LaVar and the answer is no to all of these questions, you have to wonder why are you the nerve the coaches continue to pick? Why your friend, Danny, suddenly shuts down your greetings?

[ouvan59]

I've even seen posts on this board blindly supporting assistant coaches who have been here for two years versus a player who has been here since 2000.


Not saying that I blindly support coaches who have only been here two years but this defense has been darned good the last two years for the most part without Lavar.


I wonder if the defensive back coaches dogged Shawn Springs during and after the 1st Philly game when Gregg Williams singled him out on TV for the blown assignment that led to Reggie Brown's TD. Did they dog Shawn Springs during and after the TB game when G. Williams singled him out again for a missed zone assignment that led to a big gain by Galloway.

I'm pointing this out because there appears to be this belief that only LaVar misses assignments on the field or that coaches are only singling out LaVar.

You have to wonder: Did Dale Lindsay dog Warrick Holdman the same way when big running plays were executed to his side of the field? Of course, I don't know if he missed the assignment, but he didn't make the plays (plural) either. If memory serves me, the coaching staff protected Holdman during that period and never singled him out.

Show me where the coaching staff has ever singled Lavar out in public for any particular play. And how are you so certain that they didn't blast Holdman or Springs or anybody else that screws up. Gregg Williams in particular yells at players all day long in practice. I have a hard time believing it is all or even mostly directed at Lavar especially since he loudly claimed that nobody ever told him what he was doing wrong.

The only time the coaching staff has ever mentioned Lavar was in response to reporters questions on why he wasn't playing or his injury status. And the only time they ever said anything detrimental about him was in response to his rants in the press.

[bigjumbo1971]

The response here is interesting.

An article comes out that puts LaVar in a bad light and the general response on this board is to bash him.

An article comes out that supports LaVar and the general response on this board is to bash him some more.

I've even seen posts on this board blindly supporting assistant coaches who have been here for two years versus a player who has been here since 2000.

More than likely, there is blame to go on both sides. Blame that we on the outside will not know about.

I wonder if the defensive back coaches dogged Shawn Springs during and after the 1st Philly game when Gregg Williams singled him out on TV for the blown assignment that led to Reggie Brown's TD. Did they dog Shawn Springs during and after the TB game when G. Williams singled him out again for a missed zone assignment that led to a big gain by Galloway.

I'm pointing this out because there appears to be this belief that only LaVar misses assignments on the field or that coaches are only singling out LaVar.

You have to wonder: Did Dale Lindsay dog Warrick Holdman the same way when big running plays were executed to his side of the field? Of course, I don't know if he missed the assignment, but he didn't make the plays (plural) either. If memory serves me, the coaching staff protected Holdman during that period and never singled him out.

If you are LaVar and the answer is no to all of these questions, you have to wonder why are you the nerve the coaches continue to pick? Why your friend, Danny, suddenly shuts down your greetings?

good post

like i stated earlier if we're so much better with Holdman then why isn't he playing?...answer Denver and KC...in this league you better go for self...get all the money you can while you can...there is no such thing as loyalty from management or fans (thinking how I wanted to run Brunell out of town during last season and before this season)

[jimster]

If memory serves me, the coaching staff protected Holdman during that period and never singled him out.

If you are LaVar and the answer is no to all of these questions, you have to wonder why are you the nerve the coaches continue to pick? Why your friend, Danny, suddenly shuts down your greetings?

The coaching staff never singled out Lavar either, in fact they don't hang ANY player out to dry. Even when they DO screw up. - Lavar is the one stirring the pot here, thus bringing attention to himself.

And as far as his relationship with Snyder, like mentioned in the other thread, how would you feel if a good friend of yours told everyone you know, - family, friends, co-workers, people in your town, business peers, that you intentionally stole a large amount of money from them? - You'd still be chummy with that person, right?

[Taylor 36]

:doh: That's all I've got. :doh:

[Bizkiteer]

And as far as his relationship with Snyder, like mentioned in the other thread, how would you feel if a good friend of yours told everyone you know, - family, friends, co-workers, people in your town, business peers, that you intentionally stole a large amount of money from them? - You'd still be chummy with that person, right?

How would you feel if your buddy took 6.5 million (or your enitre year's salary)? Yeah, you might feel like calling him out too, so put the show on the other foot. I guess if a person is a victim of a crime they shouldn't report either. :rolleyes: Oh yeah, I forgot...Danny and the FO said.."we don't know what you're talking about in regards to the 6.5 million." That makes it okay. Please...

He's the owner, he's supposed to rise above it regardless. Just as a manager does when an employee acts up, you don't get into a pissing contest with them...that's what makes you management and makes them a regular employee.

[ntotoro]

How would you feel if your buddy took 6.5 million (or your enitre year's salary)? Yeah, you might feel like calling him out too, so put the show on the other foot. I guess if a person is a victim of a crime they shouldn't report either. :rolleyes: Oh yeah, I forgot...Danny and the FO said.."we don't know what you're talking about in regards to the 6.5 million." That makes it okay. Please...

Prove that it was ever there to begin with.

You can't.

[TheSteve]

Prove that it was ever there to begin with.

You can't.

This is the most inane and stupid argument I've ever heard. You weren't in the discussions either so its not like you can take a stance one way or the other.

[MidPennSkin]

The coaching staff never singled out Lavar either, in fact they don't hang ANY player out to dry. Even when they DO screw up. - Lavar is the one stirring the pot here, thus bringing attention to himself.
This whole brouhaha is due to Lavar's immaturity and arrogance. He's always been the center of attention, and he can't understand that he has to give it up and play in a disciplined way for the good of the team. If he can't be in the spotlight for his play, he will get there some other way, like giving "poor me" interviews before crucial games. I'm sick of his whining. Lavar is both of the following:

http://www.forumspile.com/Attention-Whore_Beach.jpghttp://jaxmtn.mystarband.net/drama%20queen.jpg

[ntotoro]

This is the most inane and stupid argument I've ever heard. You weren't in the discussions either so its not like you can take a stance one way or the other.

Neither was he. He made a gratuitous assertion that the money was owed LaVar and that Dan Snyder swindled him, thus forcing LaVar's panties to get in a bunch. That assertion can be equally gratuitously denied.

You can't prove either way that the discussion concerning it took place, but the bottom line is that second $6.5m bonus isn't in his contract.

It didn't make sense to begin with. Why have a second roster bonus of the same amount due on the same day rather than a single $13m roster bonus? It makes no sense. Given the Postons have a tendency to look at the bottom of the Wonderlic charts for their clients, I'd put my money on them being wrong rather than any wrongdoing from the 'Skins' FO.

[TheSteve]

Neither was he. He made a gratuitous assertion that the money was owed LaVar and that Dan Snyder swindled him, thus forcing LaVar's panties to get in a bunch. That assertion can be equally gratuitously denied.

You can't prove either way that the discussion, but the bottom line is that second $6.5m bonus isn't in his contract.

It wasn't gratuitous because Lavar filed a complaint and was about to take to arbitration before him and Gibbs resolved it all, which would indicate there was some reason for mistrust.

Either way, I'm certainly not as naive as you are to think all there is to this situation is Lavar's irresponsiblity and selfishness.

Honestly talking to you lavar haters is like arguing with a jilted woman. You guys are all emotional vitrol and no logic.

[ntotoro]

It wasn't gratuitous because Lavar filed a complaint and was about to take to arbitration before him and Gibbs resolved it all, which would indicate there was some reason for mistrust.

Either way, I'm certainly not as naive as you are to think all there is to this situation is Lavar's irresponsiblity and selfishness.

Honestly talking to you lavar haters is like arguing with a jilted woman. You guys are all emotional vitrol and no logic.

No logic? Everything for the case against LaVar is based on logic. Quotes, happenings, things he has done. The people defending him have been using the opposite of logic.

"He sells jerseys."

"People are passionate for him."

"He doesn't like being bossed around by people who make less money than he does."

That's not logic. Logic is realizing that the common denominator in all of LaVar's problems and issues is LaVar himself.

The situation I equally gratuitously denined was a gratuitous assertion. LaVar himself wasn't in the meetings. Even Gene Upshaw urged against arbitration because he knew LaVar would lose. There is no way that anyone can prove the $6.5m bonus was supposed to be given to LaVar and Gene Upshaw knew that. He was urged into arbitration by Larry & Moe Poston.

[TheSteve]

No logic? Everything for the case against LaVar is based on logic. Quotes, happenings, things he has done. The people defending him have been using the opposite of logic.

"He sells jerseys."

"People are passionate for him."

"He doesn't like being bossed around by people who make less money than he does."

That's not logic. Logic is realizing that the common denominator in all of LaVar's problems and issues is LaVar himself.

The situation I equally gratuitously denined was a gratuitous assertion. LaVar himself wasn't in the meetings. Even Gene Upshaw urged against arbitration because he knew LaVar would lose. There is no way that anyone can prove the $6.5m bonus was supposed to be given to LaVar and Gene Upshaw knew that. He was urged into arbitration by Larry & Moe Poston.

Is that really the only thing you've read defending Lavar or do you just select the weakest argument so you can stay secure in your belief that Lavar is the equivalent of T.O.?

[GaryClark#84]

Art- I think the truth of this matter lies somewhere in the middle. It's going to be a controversial subject because people either LOVE Lavar or hate him. I understand both arguments and see exactly where your coming from. But in all the time I've spent around the team, I've experienced nothing but good from the guy. I truly feel that if he had the opportunity to wake up tomorrow and put all this behind him- he would trade almost anything for that.

What we need to remeber as fans (and something we usually forget) is that any work place has issues. Just because a guy had an argument with a coach doesn't mean we all have to choose sides. These issues aren't black and white. The truth is in the gray area, and I see where your coming from just like I'm sure that you see where I'm coming from.

I just like the guy- that's my 2 cents- now LETS GET A WIN!!!!! HTTR



My sentiments exactly. Well put.

[ntotoro]

Is that really the only thing you've read defending Lavar or do you just select the weakest argument so you can stay secure in your belief that Lavar is the equivalent of T.O.?

Stop trying to get around debunking what I said. You can't do it, anyway. Is your defense of him weak enough that you have to ignore the paper trail of nonsense he has accumulated the last two years?

I never compared him to TO. You attacked what people were saying about LaVar, saying that they lacked logic, as if somehow the people defending him were logical as Vulcans. Don't even attempt to think the argument for him is pristine.

[TheSteve]

Stop trying to get around debunking what I said. You can't do it, anyway. Is your defense of him weak enough that you have to ignore the paper trail of nonsense he has accumulated the last two years?

I never compared him to TO. You attacked what people were saying about LaVar, saying that they lacked logic, as if somehow the people defending him were logical as Vulcans. Don't even attempt to think the argument for him is pristine.

Dude whatever. I've wasted too many hours debating the Lavar issue on here on other threads. If you wish to read them, you're welcome to use the search function like anyone else, but I'm not going to rehash everything all over again. And if you don't wish to read them, then you're perfectly welcome to continue to the Lavar Is Trash circle jerk you were enjoying before I unceremoniously interrupted. :)

[JWB]

This is just more of the "Washington ComPosts" Skins Bashing

[SittingBull]

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/4343/sheep5px.jpg

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

[ntotoro]

Dude whatever. I've wasted too many hours debating the Lavar issue on here on other threads. If you wish to read them, you're welcome to use the search function like anyone else, but I'm not going to rehash everything all over again.

You chose to get involved in a dialogue I started with someone else. There's no one to blame but yourself.

[Bizkiteer]

The situation I equally gratuitously denined was a gratuitous assertion. LaVar himself wasn't in the meetings. Even Gene Upshaw urged against arbitration because he knew LaVar would lose. There is no way that anyone can prove the $6.5m bonus was supposed to be given to LaVar and Gene Upshaw knew that. He was urged into arbitration by Larry & Moe Poston.

Turnaround is fair play....you know this because you were there? I'll ask this why would the Redskins try to settle anything with him IF they were not at fault at all? Anytime things are settled, means they either did or left themselves open where they could have been taken for far more. Of course, it does the organization good to squash ti faster, so settling does that too. See two sides...point is no one really knows!

[ntotoro]

Turnaround is fair play....you know this because you were there?

That was actually my line. You made a gratuitous assertion, I equally gratuitously countered it, but I also presented some facts in the matter. Try to follow along.


I'll ask this why would the Redskins try to settle anything with him IF they were not at fault at all? Anytime things are settled, means they either did or left themselves open where they could have been taken for far more. Of course, it does the organization good to squash ti faster, so settling does that too. See two sides...point is no one really knows!

The 'Skins wanted it to go to arbitration. They knew they'd win. LaVar's agents and the NLFPA kept postponing it, for whatever reason. LaVar dropped it. Two days later, he said it was on again. Coach Gibbs jumped in and basically said "look, let's end all this nonsense" and Gene Upshaw pushed for that.

That was what happened and it all happened very publicly. There was no way to prove LaVar was owed a redundant bonus and everyone involved knew it.

[The Animal Trainer]

Man...we need to stop all this nonsense until after the season is over. When you have players choosing sides in an argument like this it results in a divided locker room which is CANCER. I can't believe Wise would write this article at this point in the season. Wait until the eagles game and (if we win) the playoffs are over. All an article like that does is throw fuel on the fire and distract the team. In the words of Joe Gibbs, I'm not talking about anything from here on out but the Eagles. This is the most important game for the Redskins in 5 years.

[Bizkiteer]

That was actually my line. Try to follow along.



Jesus, that is why I was using it w/ you! :rolleyes: Is it time to punch out yet? TGIF

[4Ever51]

The fact is, If Lavar has a few sacks, and a bunch of tackles, you will all be proclaiming him, King of the world, once more. Let the management take care of whatever it needs to take care of, and let us do our job as fans. Cheer our team on this weekend against Philly. Go Skins!!!

[jimster]

How would you feel if your buddy took 6.5 million (or your enitre year's salary)? Yeah, you might feel like calling him out too, so put the show on the other foot. I guess if a person is a victim of a crime they shouldn't report either. :rolleyes: Oh yeah, I forgot...Danny and the FO said.."we don't know what you're talking about in regards to the 6.5 million." That makes it okay. Please...



Because I would probably be able to prove it.

In these contract negotaitions, it isn't Snyder and Lavar sitting in a room, while Snyder is writing up a contract in pencil. It's an agreement written by the Redskins negotiators, lawyers, supposedly by Lavar's agents (that IS why he pay's them 5%) and triple checked by a staff of lawyers. - The fact is that the Postons apparently misunderstood something in the contract. That's not theft, that's ignorance. But instead of admitting that THEY made a mistake, they point the finger at others, making a very serious accusation. Meanwhile, the Postons still got paid that 5% of the phantom bonus.

Both the Postons and Lavar have a track record of not accepting responsibility. - Lavar's lawyer kept post-poning the arbritration too. I wonder why that is?




The 'Skins wanted it to go to arbitration. They knew they'd win. LaVar's agents and the NLFPA kept postponing it, for whatever reason. LaVar dropped it. Two days later, he said it was on again. Coach Gibbs jumped in and basically said "look, let's end all this nonsense" and Gene Upshaw pushed for that.

That was what happened and it all happened very publicly. There was no way to prove LaVar was owed a redundant bonus and everyone involved knew it.


Yep. - I'm not a Lavar hater by any means and was really hoping that he was coming around after that article in November when he admitted he indeed was not ready as the coaches stated. But this poo poo keeps coming up, it makes me wonder.

Maybe it can still be worked out yet.

[Kelvin Bryant]

Lavar had every chance to work within the system, to be part of a successful *team*, but it just isn't in him.

This would be an excellent time to plunk his overpaid, underachieving, untrustworthy, endlessly whining butt back on the bench.

Maybe during the off-season we can trade him for a punter...

[Jumbo]

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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!


No matter what your opinions are, in my book that was funny! :laugh:

[DaSkinzBaby]

LaVar HUNG UP ON HIS COACH TRYING TO CORRECT HIS ERRORS. How can this NOT ring through to you that we should be peeved with LaVar.

Art while reading your posts I am confused. In one reply you state that you support LaVar. But then you seem to back the defensive coaches. Then you made reference of my response that I would like them all to comprimise and get along. Can you clarify for me? Why do you back the coaches blindly? It seems that the coaches on DEFENSE have an agenda here to lesson LaVar, I mean he has made bad errors in judgement and ran his mouth but it also seems the some coaches (Greg Blanche) has specifically made reference to LaVar and basically said if you put LaVar's brain in a bird the bird would fly backwards. Does that mean that Blanche is a genious and he is without error? I for one have had many jobs where my boss has stole my credit, ignored dedicated efforts to name a few so I can see wrong on both fronts simply comparing my personal things and bringing a parallel to LA's. As my father told me as a young child it's isn't what you know IT'S WHO YOU KNOW! Blanche is more so overrated than LaVar and he acts like he made to Pro Bowl and has the accolaids that LaVar has. He also has stated how a rush is OVERRATED! This man needs to be hunbled himself and now another coach wants to disrespect another human being regardless of chain of command. It's not WHAT YOU DO IT'S HOW YOU DO IT! There is guilt and wrong on ALL SIDES but for me personally, I am a REDSKINS FAN YES :point2sky But I look forward to see LaVar on Sunday not Greg Blanche and surely not Lindsey. I see #56 Jerseys in FEDEX and all around the town not Blanche and Lindsey Jersey's Coaches Shirts. So yeah personally LaVar might be a fool but he is no worse than either Blanche or Lindsey. :2cents:

[inevitable]

Dale Lindsey had a huge role in forming and molding Antonio Pierce into the Linebacker he was last season. He has had a huge roll in coaching up Marcus Washington. Maybe Lavar should get a clue and not be so emotional when he's being coached up. I don't care who you are, no one is beyond coaching. Dale Lindsey has a rap for being a jerk, so why Lavar would get so upset is beyond me.

Seriously, toughen up big guy. Your coach is your coach, regardless of who you are. They have every right to yell at you. Get over it.

[Samuels]

I'm not gonna get in a pissing match but i've said from day 1 most of this BS was because of the contract some probably was him not being 100%. But a 50% LA is better then most LB's in this league period..

I hate Synder we can't never ever develop a fan favorite who everybody loves and keep him. We buy Champ,Smoot,Lavar jerseys then thier gone. We hear all the mess Danny spouts about LA being a redskin for life and he is what a true redskin should be. I hope like heck I never see the clown in person cause he'll get berated he might not care but thats normal for THE DAN, has long has he can make his money.. And about him telling LA not to talk to him just proves it even more... We have a low class joke has a owner that ****s on people when he don't get his way because he's a rich spoiled brat..

The worst part about this all is Lavar will be dominating and in the probowl for somebody next year and we'll hear the media backlash again. And to top it off losing Lavar and GW in the same offseason could cripple us. Dale Lindsey is a joke at defensive cordinator he's proven that. Blache is a even bigger joke if you guys want a vanilla 2 gap scheme your gonna hate bLACHE, wait AND you'll see what Blache runs.. The guy never ever blitzed in CHITOWN the fans absolutely hate him, his in game playcalling was outright terrible. I used to make fun of my cousin's watching the Bears..

I hate this has a true Skin fan with a passion we're gonna lose not only LA but probably the only guy who can keep the ship from sinking without him in GW..

[stevenaa]

I'm not gonna get in a pissing match but i've said from day 1 most of this BS was because of the contract some probably was him not being 100%. But a 50% LA is better then most LB's in this league period..

I hate Synder we can't never ever develop a fan favorite who everybody loves and keep him. We buy Champ,Smoot,Lavar jerseys then thier gone. We hear all the mess Danny spouts about LA being a redskin for life and he is what a true redskin should be. I hope like heck I never see the clown in person cause he'll get berated he might not care but thats normal for THE DAN, has long has he can make his money.. And about him telling LA not to talk to him just proves it even more... We have a low class joke has a owner that ****s on people when he don't get his way because he's a rich spoiled brat..

The worst part about this all is Lavar will be dominating and in the probowl for somebody next year and we'll hear the media backlash again. And to top it off losing Lavar and GW in the same offseason could cripple us. Dale Lindsey is a joke at defensive cordinator he's proven that. Blache is a even bigger joke if you guys want a vanilla 2 gap scheme your gonna hate bLACHE, wait AND you'll see what Blache runs.. The guy never ever blitzed in CHITOWN the fans absolutely hate him, his in game playcalling was outright terrible. I used to make fun of my cousin's watching the Bears..

I hate this has a true Skin fan with a passion we're gonna lose not only LA but probably the only guy who can keep the ship from sinking without him in GW..


A true Skin would have kept his fat mouth shut until after the season. It doesn't take a mental giant to look back over Lavars antics to realize he is about Lavar. What you blind Lavar supporters don't seem to understand is that true Skins aren't about being stars. They are the guys willing to be part of a whole that is much larger than the sum of it's parts. Lavar will never be that person.

[TODD]

Art while reading your posts I am confused. In one reply you state that you support LaVar. But then you seem to back the defensive coaches. Then you made reference of my response that I would like them all to comprimise and get along. Can you clarify for me? Why do you back the coaches blindly?

I don't see the contradiction. You can support LaVar as a player but disagree with his activities since last Saturday. How can you not back the defensive coaches when he is not taking any criticism when it deserved with missed assignments, etc? It's a simple thing for any football player for any age and of any calibur... listen to your coaches... maybe that's why he's struggled in pass coverage and is not keeping his mouth shut-- he's not listening.

I doubt that anyone is backing these coaches blindly when players are hanging up the phone on them, which is inexcusable.

[Samuels]

Why don't you shut my fat mouth tough guy its easy to be a internet thug but you'd never talk that smack in person.. I'm entitled to my opinion has well has you are and personally i'm pretty pissed about the whole ordeal. I think LA was in the wrong but most of his spouting off came from them treating him like a POS...

This organization can do no wrong it don't matter the player or the ordeal its always blind homers defending our terrible FO..Danny is lucky he bought JG back or this whole ship would be sinking..

[Samuels]

And yes its 100% wrong to hang up on your coach but i'd bet my life Lindsey was being disrespectful and cussing him..Just like in the locker room LA telling him to backoff that sounds like LA trying to be cool and calm with some jerk screaming in his face.And its not good when other players are steping up saying the coach went to far.. LA shoulda just smacked his ass i woulda and they coulda deactivated him because thier probably not gonna play him anyway..

[SkinsLover]

Waaa-mbulance!

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OMG that was hilarious :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :notworthy :cheers:

[misery]

why is he going for all this negative attention days before our big game?

what is his freaking problem?

[misery]

this is like the last time we played Philly, they had just deactivated or suspended TO. I hope this doesn't have a similiar effect on us.

[Lead Blocker]

Not saying that I blindly support coaches who have only been here two years but this defense has been darned good the last two years for the most part without Lavar.



Show me where the coaching staff has ever singled Lavar out in public for any particular play. And how are you so certain that they didn't blast Holdman or Springs or anybody else that screws up. Gregg Williams in particular yells at players all day long in practice. I have a hard time believing it is all or even mostly directed at Lavar especially since he loudly claimed that nobody ever told him what he was doing wrong.

The only time the coaching staff has ever mentioned Lavar was in response to reporters questions on why he wasn't playing or his injury status. And the only time they ever said anything detrimental about him was in response to his rants in the press.

This defense was pretty good before the last two season. They were good under Marty, under Ray Rhodes, and Marvin Lewis all with LaVar.

I don't know if the coaches dogged the other players in the same fashion as reported in the article, that's why I put the question out there. I'm sure the coaches let the players know when they are wrong.

However, you are incorrect by writing that the only time the coaches have said anything detrimental about LaVar was in response to his comments. Before all of this stuff blew up this season, both Lindsay and Williams took little shots at LaVar in responses to reporters which led to him responding on his radio show and the cycle began.

[bulldog]

I have been watching this team since 1972. Keep the coaches and get rid of the trouble making player. Trust me. The coaching is a lot harder to find than a solid OLB :)

[Lead Blocker]

good post

like i stated earlier if we're so much better with Holdman then why isn't he playing?...answer Denver and KC...in this league you better go for self...get all the money you can while you can...there is no such thing as loyalty from management or fans (thinking how I wanted to run Brunell out of town during last season and before this season)

Speaking of money, two interesting points here:

What's forgotten is times LaVar restructured his contract so this team could get under the cap and sign other players, before the team finally extended his contract. Really selfish, eh?

Second, and most important, why have the Poston brothers escaped all blame in this situation?????

The Postons were the one's calling foul on the contract and convinced LaVar that the team was mishandling things. I don't see any venom pointed in their direction at all. The Postons are the one's the team says were misleading LaVar, yet when the dust settled no one rips them. Go figure.

[iceman330]

Damn if this is not proof that he needs to be GONE!!!! He's even causing a war between Skins fans. Look how big this thread is. He's a Cancer, literally. He couldn't wait a few weeks to grant the article.

[jimster]

And yes its 100% wrong to hang up on your coach but i'd bet my life Lindsey was being disrespectful and cussing him..Just like in the locker room LA telling him to backoff that sounds like LA trying to be cool and calm with some jerk screaming in his face.And its not good when other players are steping up saying the coach went to far.. LA shoulda just smacked his ass i woulda and they coulda deactivated him because thier probably not gonna play him anyway..


well while we're assuming things, Do you think that the player in the training room that thought Lindsey was being too hard on Lavar also knew that Lavar just hung up on his coach? - I'll assume no.

[jimster]

The Postons were the one's calling foul on the contract and convinced LaVar that the team was mishandling things. I don't see any venom pointed in their direction at all. The Postons are the one's the team says were misleading LaVar, yet when the dust settled no one rips them. Go figure.

I've been saying that all along my friend.

[Lead Blocker]

The coaching staff never singled out Lavar either, in fact they don't hang ANY player out to dry. Even when they DO screw up. - Lavar is the one stirring the pot here, thus bringing attention to himself.

And as far as his relationship with Snyder, like mentioned in the other thread, how would you feel if a good friend of yours told everyone you know, - family, friends, co-workers, people in your town, business peers, that you intentionally stole a large amount of money from them? - You'd still be chummy with that person, right?

Wrong, Gregg Williams singled out Shawn Springs on Comcast's post game show twice this year that I know of regarding blown assignments and not adjusting to an audible. Additionally, during the whole "Why isn't LaVar playing period?", Lindsay and Williams kept pointing out to reporters that LaVar didn't function well in the system. Lindsay's comments came back in August during the preseason.

As far as Danny goes, there are two key points here:
1) As a business man, Synder understand far more about separating personal feelings from business transactions than I can ever imagine, so I am the wrong person to ask that question. The beef was between Swanson and the Postons, not Danny and LaVar.

2) This brings me to my next point: Why have the Poston brothers escaped all blame in this situation. The Postons were the one's who botched the contract on LaVar's behave and they were the one's who convinced LaVar that the team was misleading him, yet no one seems to be holding them accountable. Interesting.

[bulldog]

because the player and his agent are never responsible for anything. the organization always gets the blame if a player is unhappy or claims he wasn't treated fairly.

when in actuality LaVar has been a very immature player and a selfish one to boot.

emotionally the guy is still 15 years old and doesn't seem capable of doing what Ramsey is doing, biding his time and showing some patience.

[Samuels]

Yeah LA is a selfish me first, jerk and before any of this BS happened with his playing time every 1 of you woulda said the opposite..

Even our owner decided that LA was what a Redskin should be and said so and then he said Lavar will be a REDSKIN for life. What has Lavar just all of a sudden turned into a me 1st jerk not a chance. The man has been rejected and slandered in the media even by Bugel a freaking O-line coach so he feels not wanted and he's not..More then anything LA is frustrated because he knows he's gone..

The thing that is gonna pain me the most is if they cut him and he signs in Dallas,Philly or NY. WHEREVER HE PLAYS HE WILL DOMINATE NEXT YEAR AND ITS GONNA MAKE OUR COACHES AND FO LOOK STUPID ONCE AGAIN CAUSING ANOTHER MEDIA CIRCUS ON HOW UNFAIRLY TREATED HE WAS..

[Rogers22]

LaVar is the only jersey I own. I hope the can fix his problems and start with a new page next year, but everything just seems to get worse for him. Time to start looking for a Rogers jersey anyway or Johnny Whiteguy.

[Willskins]

LaVar is the only jersey I own. I hope the can fix his problems and start with a new page next year, but everything just seems to get worse for him. Time to start looking for a Rogers jersey anyway or Johnny Whiteguy.

Buy a Cooley jersey, you know he'll be here for a while. Get your money's worth.

[Joe_328]

LaVar is a monster.

[jnhay]

What a poorly written article. It sounds more like the Enquirer than the Washington Post.

[ImmortalDragon]

Buy a Cooley jersey, you know he'll be here for a while. Get your money's worth.
Wait until its contract time for him, when he gets the $50 mil offer from another team and lets the Redskins match the offer, but they choose not to.

[skinthemboys]

Bye Bye lavar. Does anyone honestly think he will be here next season? I'd like to see us get another WR for him. I'm sick of his ****.

[TheSteve]

Lets trade Arrington for T.O.

[skinthemboys]

Lets trade Arrington for T.O.

You know what...I've been as opposed to T.O. joining the skins as anyone. But if we are going to deal with Lavar, I say, why not. At least T.O. will produce.

[Samuels]

You know what...I've been as opposed to T.O. joining the skins as anyone. But if we are going to deal with Lavar, I say, why not. At least T.O. will produce.


Thats because JG has a brain and would find good use for a playmaker..

If LA was playing do any of you honestly think we would be hearing anything??

Just listen to what Shotty said about LA a few weeks back about what a joy he was to coach and the energy and ethusasium he played with..


And I just bought me a Johnny Whiteboy jersey before the Dallas game and wore it proudly the last 2 weeks. I swear to goodness if they get rid of him i'll never ever buy another Skins jersey under current ownership.. I have a Champ,Smoot,LA and Coles jersey just chillin and don't get worn thats 300 bucks wasted right thier at 75 bucks a pop its crazy..

[mcogan]

I am a big fan of Lavar Arrington as i am of all the Redskins, I think he is a great football player and we can not afford to lose him just as we lost Peirce. If Lavar did miss some assignments than fine, but he is human. He also has a great instincts and i would trust any of his reads and abilities. Go Lavar!!!

:eaglesuck

[ouvan59]

However, you are incorrect by writing that the only time the coaches have said anything detrimental about LaVar was in response to his comments. Before all of this stuff blew up this season, both Lindsay and Williams took little shots at LaVar in responses to reporters which led to him responding on his radio show and the cycle began.

Link?

[Lead Blocker]

Link?

Based on over the air radio reports on local 980am and old Washington Post articles that are out of free circulation. But you are more than welcomed to search and pay for the comments.

[DCMONEY]

well while we're assuming things, Do you think that the player in the training room that thought Lindsey was being too hard on Lavar also knew that Lavar just hung up on his coach? - I'll assume no.


A coach still shouldn't try to indidually embarass someone by cussing him out. I've played football before and have been cussed at but it kinda better be in context. One can tell if its disrespect or within the game spirit. I remember a coach getting too close to my face and kinda spitting when he was talking. I kinda shoved him back a little and told him why I shoved him. He knew he was spraying his words instead of saying his words.

[jimster]

A coach still shouldn't try to indidually embarass someone by cussing him out. I've played football before and have been cussed at but it kinda better be in context. One can tell if its disrespect or within the game spirit. I remember a coach getting too close to my face and kinda spitting when he was talking. I kinda shoved him back a little and told him why I shoved him. He knew he was spraying his words instead of saying his words.


this is my point - a coach yelling at a player happens every day, yet some assume the coach was out of line. - Based on what? What part was Lindsey out of line in - yelling at a player who didn't do his job or yelling at a player who just disrespected him in front of the rest of the team?

These are assumptions - I wasn't there so I don't any more than anyone else here, but I DO know that Lavar is not comletely innocent in this.

[Monkart]

Some of the writers up there in DC SUCK!! Elfin and now Wise SUCK!!!

Wise's closing statement!!
Crazy, no? Most people in the organization believe they learned to win without Arrington. They have no idea that they won in spite of how they treated him. :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger:



I hate we are in conflick with LaVar, but it's not a one way street. His agents SUCK like these writers.

[skinsfan513]

First & foremost SCREW All you LaVar Bashers. He is a REDSKIN as much as Darrell Green,Sonny or Joe Gibbs for that matter. As for Greg Williams ... bye bye have a good life & go try being a head coach someone. We all know he is leaving & who really gives a $hit if he does!

[DieselPwr44]

He is a REDSKIN as much as Darrell Green,Sonny or Joe Gibbs for that matter

Let's see:

Sonny: HOF
Green: SuperBowl winner and future HOF'er
Gibbs: SuperBowl winner,currently in the HOF

and now......

Lavar: ummm,what has he done here?? Oh that's right, an 8-8 season at best,PLUS a stellar relationship with Elfin and the local media!! Niiiiiccceeee. :doh:

[chet06]

LaVar HUNG UP ON HIS COACH TRYING TO CORRECT HIS ERRORS. How can this NOT ring through to you that we should be peeved with LaVar.

...And you know for sure that it wasnt because Lindsey was berrating him to the point of...while cussing him out. You have no clue about the NFL if you dont understand that coaches blow up on players on the sideline and all players do is just walk away. He did the smart thing by hanging up before he said something as stupid as Lindsay did.

[chet06]

You have no clue what you're talking about if you think Lindsey reserves special curses for LaVar. Lindsey is a salty guy who lays into ALL his guys reasonably equally. It's not all about LaVar as much as LaVar enthusiasts need to believe it. Lindsey coaches all his guys the same way. He calls down and tells them to get their **** together or else. He's done it with every guy he coaches this year in correcting their errors. LaVar is just the player who most is inclined to the, "Why is everybody always picking on me," school of thought that seems to pervade anyone who's on his side.

And this is not a guess on my part either.


Just ask Darrell Green what he thinks of Lindsey!

[chet06]

What happens if Greg Williams takes another coaching job? Does our defense still maintain? Or do we go back to needing Lavar to be a playmaker? I say keep him around.

Probably the most insightful comment in this entire spread. Without Williams we are going to need all the talent we can get or retain in the case of Lavar.

[Monkart]

First & foremost SCREW All you LaVar Bashers. He is a REDSKIN as much as Darrell Green,Sonny or Joe Gibbs for that matter. As for Greg Williams ... bye bye have a good life & go try being a head coach someone. We all know he is leaving & who really gives a $hit if he does!
I see this is your first post, but you have been a member since September. So you should be familar with these,




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[fansince62]

"...And you know for sure that it wasnt because Lindsey was berrating him to the point of...while cussing him out. You have no clue about the NFL if you dont understand that coaches blow up on players on the sideline and all players do is just walk away. He did the smart thing by hanging up before he said something as stupid as Lindsay did."

not only that...but how about intelligent leadership that shapes itself to what works. not every person is motivated in the same way. that is lesson 101 I learned while leading 100s of people over the course of 20+ years. wihtin pretty wide bounds you figure out, as a leader, what it takes to movitvate your people. sometimes you deviate to catch the "difficult children." this is not just LA's failure - it's a failure of leadership as well.

[ZoEd]

I've read countless articles about how hard Lindsey is on his LB's. He's an old school kind of guy, but that doesn't give him the right to verbally attack someone. It's only speculation as to what was said and it's completely possible Lavar overreacted. Bottom line we need both of these guys to win this weekend. I hope they gave each other a big hug and made up.

[fansince62]

"And this is not a guess on my part either."

which is precisely why, in some instances, one might be led to question your inputs as not necessarily unbiased........there...that will inspire a full bore Art broadside!

in advance: I submit! It's all about some ill placed hatred anchored to an imagined offense that took place years ago. I'm blind.....a fool......an ingnorant tool......let's see what else is in the basket........a closet hater masquearding as a fan.........as stupid as LA.....an idiot who refuses to admit the obvious.......a pathetic, unhappy human being.....there are other gems if memory serves....

good leaders find a way. and they find it in almost all instances. certainly the big ones. as I posted elsewhere...this is a major fubar by LA....it's also symptomatic of a failure in leadership: regardless of whether you happen to agree or not. I have seen leadership examples all the way to the most senior levels in the armed forces and parts of our federal government - as Gump might have said...."I may be stupid Jenny..but I know what leadership is." great leaders find a way.

[fansince62]

note to the board: Art is a brilliant writer and an elemental force of nature! he along with OM, Blade and others make this community the awesome venue it is.

ya just have to stand up sometimes to this Titanic personality. don't take my post the wrong way....he is the man. and I'm sure has goodies in store for me as we speak!

[Tazhog]

I'm completely bored with Aarington. We have a very good coaching staff. I'm siding with the staff regarding Aarington...
Enough said...

[bulldog]

anyone who puts LaVar Arrington up with the likes of Darrell Green, Sonny Jurgensen or Charley Taylor in the pantheon of Redskins greats obviously never saw the breath of the career of these HOF caliber performers :)

Charley Taylor retired as the NFL's leading receiver.

Sonny Jurgensen retired with 250 touchdown passes in an era where most qbs were throwing 10-15 per season not the 25-30 you see today from a number of players in the same year.

Green only played the most physically demanding position on the field for 18 years, finished with 54 interceptions and helped the Redskins to three Super Bowl appearances.

[zoony]

note to the board: Art is a brilliant writer and an elemental force of nature! he along with OM, Blade and others make this community the awesome venue it is.

ya just have to stand up sometimes to this Titanic personality. don't take my post the wrong way....he is the man. and I'm sure has goodies in store for me as we speak!


fansince... most of your argument seems to be "you don't know the entire story", or we as fans "aren't privy to the whole situation"


It seems that is at least speculative, and at most argumentative.

[GSF]

"...And you know for sure that it wasnt because Lindsey was berrating him to the point of...while cussing him out. You have no clue about the NFL if you dont understand that coaches blow up on players on the sideline and all players do is just walk away. He did the smart thing by hanging up before he said something as stupid as Lindsay did."

not only that...but how about intelligent leadership that shapes itself to what works. not every person is motivated in the same way. that is lesson 101 I learned while leading 100s of people over the course of 20+ years. wihtin pretty wide bounds you figure out, as a leader, what it takes to movitvate your people. sometimes you deviate to catch the "difficult children." this is not just LA's failure - it's a failure of leadership as well.

'62,
I haven't read this entire thread, so maybe I missed it, but have you said how the Skins' leadership has failed? Was it by yelling at Lavar too much on the phone? If a player of Lavar's experience continues to blow assignments, does he not understand the defense, or is he just choosing to do what he wants to do? Really, either of those answers would bring a pretty good tongue lashing from me of I was the coach.

One thing I have a hard time believing is that this staff is singling out Lavar, and treating him differently than the rest of the team. I just can't see that from a coach on Gibbs' staff. The rest of the players though seem to be excelling quite nicely under that same leadership. This is the tighest knit, hardest playing Redskins unti I've seen since '91. To me, it looks like they've all bought in to Gibbs plan, except for Lavar. If the leadership has failed, why haven't any of the other players made an issue of it?

There was a little piece on ESPN the other night about the situation with Lavar. They were interviewing players in the locker room. Springs and Taylor both mentioned howthey couldn't understand the timing of Lavar's comments. Springs kinda rolled his eyes, and Taylor looked just looked pissed off about the whole deal. The interviewer said that some of the players siad off camera that it was a case of Lavar just being Lavar.