Anybody Else fed up with the NFL besides me?

[4skins23]

Its getting harder and harder to keep watching the NFL.So many crappy things going on.Where should I begin?
O.K., heres one, probably the one that irks me the most.Super bowls are ONLY played in dome stadiums. Imo the single worst decision the NFL has made.
2. Homefield advantage- there is no such thing if the NFL has their way.If anyone has been following the Vikings owner and his troubles building a new stadium then you know. The NFL will not contribute any money to any team building an outside stadium-only domes. Where is the "homefield advantage in that? My favorite football game of all-time was the ice bowl.So much for another one.
3. How about the refs making bad calls? like if they rule something an incomplete pass why can't the coach challenge it? I'm getting to the point that they should get rid of using instant replays. or actually train the refs better, I think they are doing a lousey job this year!!!
I could probably go on but don't have the time. What do you guys think? Let me know.

[skinsfanxxvi]

1. Super Bowl XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXV, XXVII, XXIX, XXX, XXXII, XXXIII, XXXV, XXXVII, as well as the last Super Bowl were all outdoor Super Bowls since 1985. that's 12 out 19 in outdoor stadiums.
2. Reskins @ giants - 0-36; Giants @ Redskins 20-35 NO HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE; WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING - HOCKEY? Also, the Bucs, Bengals, Titans, Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, Browns, Seahawks, Bears, Packers (remodeled), Broncos, and our beloved Redskins are all teams that have built OUTDOOR STADIUMS IN THE LAST 8 SEASONS!!!!
3. The coach can challange an incomplete pass in certain circumstances. Agreed that refs suck, but given the context of the "facts" you listed earlier i highly doubt you to be qualified to understand.

[redphoenix]

I hate the type of players that the NFL promote and who get special treatment.

Ray Lewis=thug murderer
Mike Vick=VD carrying slimebag
Mike Irvin=List is too long

[4skins23]

1. Super Bowl XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXV, XXVII, XXIX, XXX, XXXII, XXXIII, XXXV, XXXVII, as well as the last Super Bowl were all outdoor Super Bowls since 1985. that's 12 out 19 in outdoor stadiums.
2. Reskins @ giants - 0-36; Giants @ Redskins 20-35 NO HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE; WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING - HOCKEY? Also, the Bucs, Bengals, Titans, Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, Browns, Seahawks, Bears, Packers (remodeled), Broncos, and our beloved Redskins are all teams that have built OUTDOOR STADIUMS IN THE LAST 8 SEASONS!!!!
3. The coach can challange an incomplete pass in certain circumstances. Agreed that refs suck, but given the context of the "facts" you listed earlier i highly doubt you to be qualified to understand.


1.Take a look at where they are held.I don't know for sure but I'd bet its all down south like florida or n.o. or Texas. And maybe it hasn't been inside but its been in warm places and its the way the NFL is headed (in that direction).
2.None of those teams you listed "Built" their outdoor stadioms in the last 8 years. Updated or remodeled -yes. To build an outdoor stadium the NFL wants nothing to do with.But they will help give financial support to any of those teams that are willing to rebuild and change to a dome.Don't believe me, check out the problems the new owner of the Vikings is having with the NFL about trying to build an outdoor stadium.
3. I doubt you would understand when you could challenge an incomplete pass either.as far as I know I can't remember anyone being able to.I guess only if the ref gets enough bribe money on the sideline-then they can challenge,right?
4. Maybe that wasn't a good example.How about TD celebrations.For a year or 2 I believe they didn't allow them now they do but its up to the refs "discretion" to decide if its excessive.So to each ref its different. there is no uniforminty. Then in certain circumstances the NFL steps in and on top of the penalty fines the player.What horse crap.How about fining officials for calling bad calls,or penalties?That makes sense to me.
I think TD celebrations are fine.Excessive no -but how bout a time limit and no foreign objects on the field(like cell phones) that may be a little uniformity.As distasteful as some may be like Moss mooning fans he's only hurting his own rep. and if someone fines him it should be his team.Thats my opinion.

[hail2skins]

Dude, at least 5 of the teams skinsfanxxvi listed (Bengals, Pats, Steelers, Browns, Seahawks) have built new open-air stadiums within the past 8 years. Add the Eagles to that list. Get your facts straight. Also, if you're so gung-ho about watching a SB in a cold-weather city, why don't you buy a ticket to this year's Bowl in Detroit? Tell us how you enjoy it.

I do agree that some of the rules that the league has makes the game unbearable at time. Tuck rule. Down by contact. Calling a pass incomplete after the receiver has come down with the ball and taken 2 steps. All silliness that needs to be seriously looked at.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Seriously, if you are going to travel to a Super Bowl, you really want it in a warm weather city with lots of parties and lots of hot girls

Cold weather places like Detroit for a Superbowl are riddiculous

[rebornempowered]

Mike Irvin=List is too long

:laugh: :rotflmao: :laugh:

:dallasuck

[4skins23]

Hey guys Detroit is a dome. Pontiac Silver dome.

Whats wrong with having both warm and cold weather super bowls? Does anybody remember the Ice bowl? I think it was one of the best games ever played. I never said that I wanted to travel to the game,just watch it. I think if a team is "the best" it should be able to handle any type of weather,right?

[4skins23]

Dude, at least 5 of the teams skinsfanxxvi listed (Bengals, Pats, Steelers, Browns, Seahawks) have built new open-air stadiums within the past 8 years. Add the Eagles to that list. Get your facts straight. Also, if you're so gung-ho about watching a SB in a cold-weather city, why don't you buy a ticket to this year's Bowl in Detroit? Tell us how you enjoy it.

I do agree that some of the rules that the league has makes the game unbearable at time. Tuck rule. Down by contact. Calling a pass incomplete after the receiver has come down with the ball and taken 2 steps. All silliness that needs to be seriously looked at.


All of those stadiums are rebuilt? If they are -I'm wrong -sorry I'll admit it. But can you tell me this, did the NFL help to finance them? and why is the NFL giving the Vikings owner such a hard time about an outside stadium? Maybe there's something I'm missing here.

[Taylor 36]

Hey guys Detroit is a dome. Pontiac Silver dome.

Whats wrong with having both warm and cold weather super bowls? Does anybody remember the Ice bowl? I think it was one of the best games ever played. I never said that I wanted to travel to the game,just watch it. I think if a team is "the best" it should be able to handle any type of weather,right?

The NFL is a business, and the SB is its biggest product. They aren't concerned about the teams, but more about the money they can generate. They know that most of the high-spenders prefer to be indoors or in a nice mild or warm weathered venue. It is all about marketing.

[4skins23]

Heres an IDEA. They say the fans are a big asset. Generates alot maybe most of the money for them. How bout asking the fans where THEY want the Super Bowl at? They ask us for input for players in the pro bowl. Thats just a popularity contest.I just think if the fans spoke up the NFL would have to listen.

[Demicidal]

Well, why do the high spenders even need to get out of the luxury box? And Yes, I understand the NFL is all-Money, but wouldn't it be nice to have a few ‘Ice bowls’-isk SB’s in recent history?

[hail2skins]

4skins23, first of all, you need a new stadium guide. The Lions don't play at the Silverdome anymore.......they play at a new place called Ford Field, which is also a dome.

I don't know much about how these things are financed but I think usually it either comes down to a)either the owner paying for a majority or all of the stadium cost or b) the state pays for a majority or all of it. If the state does, then those things are usually put to a vote since it involves tax money, etc. Gotta have public support.

The idea of a Super Bowl in a cold weather outdoor stadium is nice in theory but I'd just love to see how many people would spend (at the very least) $500 for a ticket (which is about the going face-value price) for a game in Green Bay in early February. Unless the Packers were playing!!

[RonJeremy]

All of those stadiums are rebuilt? If they are -I'm wrong -sorry I'll admit it. But can you tell me this, did the NFL help to finance them? and why is the NFL giving the Vikings owner such a hard time about an outside stadium? Maybe there's something I'm missing here.

Yes, all of them are brand new outdoor stadiums. As far as financing them, that varies. Generally, the owners put up some money and the individual state/city puts up some money (assuming a vote is passed by the citizens to do so). The NFL doesn't finance them because the owners already recieve a share of TV revenue each year. If the owners want to use that money towards a stadium they can (they generally don't though).

FedEx Field was built solely with Jack Kent Cooke's money and therefore he wholly owned the stadium. When Dan Snyder bought the Skins he bougth the Stadium as part of the deal. The beauty of this arrrangement is he controls all of the money the stadium generates and doesn't have to share it with the NFL.


I think the NFL rocks! I am in no way fed up with it!!

[bigredone]

You can't have anyone parachute into a dome stadium for a halftime activity.........let's say revenue sharing

[4skins23]

I stand corrected then.Iwas wrong and thanks for setting me straight.I appreciate it.
4skins23

[Cherokee]

Thank you for the magic word, "Marketing". With every game I watch my definition of the term "Homefield Advantage" expands. Bad calls have become a crucial part of this advantage. Percentages lie in favor of the home team, whether calls are made or not. As we all should already know, the passing game is a marketing tool to keep fans glued to their tvs. With promises of calling excessive contact with the wide receiver beyond the 5-yard margin, I have seen officials (twice in the same game with the official only 4 meters away and in plain view) choose not to make that call, a call which would have been in favor of Santana Moss. Yes, this is unfair. However, should the NFL choose to control the direction of the game, for marketing reasons, the best way to do this is assign bumbling, fumbling officials, or set a precedent for each game as to what will be called, as all game rules may be closely scrutinized or not. I see this trend in all the games, particularly in Redskin games, of a large "Market". Hail Redskins!

[Tom [Giants fan]]

The Giants lost to Seattle because it was IN Seattle. They had a huge homefield advantage in that game.

Although being the home team didn't appear to help the Saints against the Giants so you may be right. :D

[hail2skins]

Tom, you're not serious, right? The Giants did not lose to the Seahawks because of Seattle's great homefield advantage. They lost because Feely couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with multiple attempts. Same with the Cowboys......their kicker (was it still Cortez at the time) missed a very short field goal that would've put Dallas up 10 late. This is why Seattle, despite their gaudy record, is not considered a shoe-in by many to represent the NFC in the SB.