Negative fans suck and now will shut up :).

[Art]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

Thank you Art!

[Joe Gibbs II]

Yes thank you.

Some people really need to do a self check and determine if they are really skins fans or they are just fair weather fans.

[SkinsD]

YUP! :applause: :applause: :applause:

[KDawg]

Great post Art. Couldn't agree more!!!!!!

[skinsfan999]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.

AMEN

:notworthy :notworthy

[Sarge]

Thank you.

All whiney loser types OUT!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blondie]

WOW Art.

THANK YOU!


Really.


Blondie

[Califan007]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Muskrat]

Hail, Hail!!! Very well put. I am tired of the 'so-called' fans who are all over the Skins jocks when they are 'lights out', but then dump crap on them when they don't 'roll over' supposedly 'weak' teams. NFC East divisional games are always tough, regardless of the teams records... Excellent post, Art.

[GSF]

You're only half right. They suck, but they won't shut up.

[Art]

You're only half right. They suck, but they won't shut up.

Bet me :).

[No_Pressure]

Amen this "sky is falling" BS gets out of hand.

[KDawg]

Cue the:

"No, we have a right to our opinions! What makes yours more important than mine! ="

And then cue the responses of:

":laugh:"

[Warhead36]

I'll admit I was pessimistic at times and fretting but who wasn't?

Overall I wouldn't say I was negative.

[Park City Skins]

Art, I assure you that there is an active search being done right now by yours truly that weed out those here that predict thumb. It's my mission. :)

[SloppyOneXXVI]

Hooray for Art, and hooray for all the Fans that have stuck with this team throughout the season. Anyone who gave the "season is over" post at 5-6 will be hunted down and dealt with accordingly!!!

[tr1]

HTTR!

Gibbs was right all along...some folks just won't let go because he didn't play their favorite player...

Let me suggest these 'fans' follow the player to his new team and root for him over there!

I'm a Redskins fan.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

The Eagles weren't going to roll over and give the Skins a playoff spot. The Redskins showed me something I had not seen from them in a long time. I was actually waiting for them to somehow lose the game. I guess that is what a coach like Joe Gibbs can do for a team. Instead of finding a way to lose, they found a way to win against a team that came ready to play.

Congrats. :cheers:

[playoffsplz]

Probably one of the best games i've seen us play...no im not joking.

Wow guys we had a close game! (in philly ppl...i dont care how bad they are)

and we played bad!

and we still won!

its called HEART



:cheers:

[Barney B]

Joe took over the pathetic remnants of a Spurrier-besotted team, and within two seasons, has them playing playoff-caliber football. Is there anyone here who still thinks that the hiring of Joe Gibbs was a mistake? If so, speak up - and face the consequences. :silly:

[rebornempowered]

Bet me :).

Please, please, tell us this is a promise!!!!

[arrowhead]

I wholeheartedly agree. Check your negativity at the door, this is indeed our time to celebrate. Kudos Art for saying what the majority were thinking.

[TaylorPainTrain]

Amen. Great post Art! This team deserves every 'Skins fan to get behind them, and we owe it to them.

[Sag]

Well put Art....Thanks.

[Cdowwe]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.

About time :applause:

[moondog]

Art your right man. Even though the skins started off a little flat or maybe the better word is "tight" due to the incredible pressure we outlasted the eagles and showed why we deserve to be in the playoffs.

So many people were complaining in the "official game thread" and i was just tryin to say calm down portis is pickin us up and the second half will be different...we were 5-6 and i got slammed by a ton of people for posting a new thread about "i still wouldn't wanna play us" and man thats how it turned out.

We played a tough schedule and people that bash us for losing close games to some of the best teams in the NFL don't know what they are talking about.
Go skins!

[GSF]

Bet me :).
OK. You already know what they're going to say. If you're going to ban them all you're going to be very busy. :laugh:

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

So many people were complaining in the "official game thread" and i was just tryin to say calm down portis is pickin us up and the second half will be different...we were 5-6 and i got slammed by a ton of people for posting a new thread about "i still wouldn't wanna play us" and man thats how it turned out.



The official game thread is the internet equivalent of being at home and drinking and cursing at the screen.

I never got the condemnation of negative posts on the the game thread. No one curses at the screen and yelps in excitement within the space of a few seconds at home?

[just skins baby]

I was to busy watching to post anything.

[Teller]

Bet me :).

Art's breaking out the banning stick! Woot!

:logo: :point2sky :helmet:

[wysknz1]

S'true Art, Could change your handle to PREACHER with words like that! Why is it so hard to watch a team win??? Some teams get congratulated for come from behind wins... why not these guys?

[CTaylor42]

:applause: :applause:

Well said Art!!

I get as discouraged as anybody, but I will NEVER give up on the Skins!! Joe Gibbs showed why he is a Hall of Fame coach!!

[GSF]

The official game thread is the internet equivalent of being at home and drinking and cursing at the screen.

I never got the condemnation of negative posts on the the game thread. No one curses at the screen and yelps in excitement within the space of a few seconds at home?
Exactly why I don't go to that thread anymore.

[Sarge]

The official game thread is the internet equivalent of being at home and drinking and cursing at the screen.

I never got the condemnation of negative posts on the the game thread. No one curses at the screen and yelps in excitement within the space of a few seconds at home?


I guess you didn't know you were on double secret probation? :D

[ArtMonk_fav.redskin]

Joe took over the pathetic remnants of a Spurrier-besotted team, and within two seasons, has them playing playoff-caliber football. Is there anyone here who still thinks that the hiring of Joe Gibbs was a mistake? If so, speak up - and face the consequences. :silly:

:logo:

Thank God he came back!

I am excited about what the team has accomplished so far this year... 10-6, great job! Now get revenge on the Bucs!!!!

:logo:

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

I guess you didn't know you were on double secret probation? :D

:laugh: No. You can't accuse me of not posting positive stuff during the game thread but I will vent. I don't disappear like some cats when things get good (though I hope it's because they're too busy celebrating to post anymore)

I also DO use reverse mojo and that's a technique I've been using since 2003 on this board. ;)

[Jumbo]

I behaved myself pretty well during the game as far as certain kinds of posts go. :D ..mainly by not readin all the crap I knew would pizz me off even more than the game stuff was and watching it on the big screen upstairs in glorious hdtv where ther's no PC :laugh:

[Section Eight]

I most certainly didn't post negative things; however, I must say that I believe stifling the voices of those who wish to express their personal displeasure is wrong. My suggestion is to just create a seperate part of the message board for whiners. :)

[Rypien11]

Always so nice to sit on a horse and sling righteous insults at other fans.
What about the personal attack policy of the board?
I know some fans are tired of hearing complaining and doubting.
Well some are tired of all the folks that dub themselves "True Fans" feeling so righteous.
This thread is a prime example of a blanket personal attack against anyone that voices any opinion other that what the "True Fans" beleive.
This is a public message board not some private club for a select few who think they are all knowing and righteous.
The only reason this team won today was because of CP and the Defense.
Also the way the whole team was playing it was hard to keep a strong face.
They pulled it together and one, I am willing to admit I thought things were bleak and they were.
But CP and the Defense pulled it out.
I will gladly stand up and take my lumps for doubting that they could win the game.
However I still stand by the opinion that Mark is a liability when he is not 100% healthy.
Mark was the weak link on the field today, that is a fact.
The Skins won and I could not be happier, I did doubt though.
But what bothers me is that being a public message board there are alot of folks that feel they are better than other fans.
Any post that does not fit in with the "true fans" opinion get blasted by folks that feel they are so much better.
This thread is a prime example of what I mean.
A fan is a fan, and folks that get upset do so because they care for this team.
Did I doubt yes, Did I think Mark stunk the joint up today, yes.
Do I still love this team, beleive in Gibb's and excited to be in the playoffs, you bet.
4 more games to go, they can do it.
But it is going to take a better effort from the QB that the one that was on display today.

[Jumbo]

:laugh: No. You can't accuse me of not posting positive stuff during the game thread but I will vent. I don't disappear like some cats when things get good (though I hope it's because they're too busy celebrating to post anymore)

I also DO use reverse mojo and that's a technique I've been using since 2003 on this board. ;)


I saw you do positive. Even about Brunell. I'm a witless. :D

[TK]

Hey Art,

Sam Huff owes you 20 bucks. :)

[skinthemboys]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.

WOOOOOHOOOO!!!!! HELL YEAH ART!!!! :allhail: :wave: :allhail: :applause: :applause: :applause: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[tr1]

It's Brunell....

BWaaahahaaahaaahhhaaaaa!

[BigRay]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.


:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[KDawg]

Always so nice to sit on a horse and sling righteous insults at other fans.
What about the personal attack policy of the board?
I know some fans are tired of hearing complaining and doubting.
Well some are tired of all the folks that dub themselves "True Fans" feeling so righteous.
This thread is a prime example of a blanket personal attack against anyone that voices any opinion other that what the "True Fans" beleive.
This is a public message board not some private club for a select few who think they are all knowing and righteous.
The only reason this team won today was because of CP and the Defense.
Also the way the whole team was playing it was hard to keep a strong face.
They pulled it together and one, I am willing to admit I thought things were bleak and they were.
But CP and the Defense pulled it out.
I will gladly stand up and take my lumps for doubting that they could win the game.
However I still stand by the opinion that Mark is a liability when he is not 100% healthy.
Mark was the weak link on the field today, that is a fact.
The Skins won and I could not be happier, I did doubt though.
But what bothers me is that being a public message board there are alot of folks that feel they are better than other fans.
Any post that does not fit in with the "true fans" opinion get blasted by folks that feel they are so much better.
This thread is a prime example of what I mean.
A fan is a fan, and folks that get upset do so because they care for this team.
Did I doubt yes, Did I think Mark stunk the joint up today, yes.
Do I still love this team, beleive in Gibb's and excited to be in the playoffs, you bet.
4 more games to go, they can do it.
But it is going to take a better effort from the QB that the one that was on display today.


Cue the:

"No, we have a right to our opinions! What makes yours more important than mine! ="

And then cue the responses of:

":laugh:"

:laugh:

[Jumbo]

Negative fans will never shut up, Art...but they will suck.

I'm keeping my defintion of "negative" liberal by choice. Going for the whole inclusive thing. wanting many to slip in under the grace bar. Except for those I feel deserve to be crushed beneath my iron heel.

[stevenaa]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.


I don't think it's a problem if someone thinks the game is headed into the tank to say so. So long as they don't keep reposting the sentiment throughout the game thread without ever acknowledging the positive. I hope you're referring to the regular naysayers that seem to take pleasure when the team faulters.

[Jumbo]

BTW...Our local announcer on the FOX 13 station in Seattle, who's all Seahawk of course, just sang 'Hail to the Redskins' when announcing the results :)

[Rypien11]

Above is another prime example of why my post holds water.
I have never seen any fans ever that turn on each other like the Skins fans on this board.
Very sad when fans have to pump themselves up by picking on other fans of the same team.

[a_good_brotha]

Another great post by Art. Thank you for the kind and inspiring words. :notworthy

[Gracelander]

Thanks for the post, can't agree more with you. I just had to sit with 2 other "redskins fans" who after the first quarter were cursing and everything at our team, "i'm going home at half time if they keep playing this way".. friggin whiners.. I'm happy to be home now, and with a win! Yes!!!

Bucssuck!
:point2sky
:notworthy

[SkinsHokieFan]

It depends how you do it

Ghost is very constructive in his criticsm

Some other fools, (JPhat) never post unless something negative occurs

[Sarge]

Above is another prime example of why my post holds water.
I have never seen any fans ever that turn on each other like the Skins fans on this board.
Very sad when fans have to pump themselves up by picking on other fans of the same team.

The first rule of getting yourself out of a hole..........

Stop digging :D

[Jumbo]

Above is another prime example of why my post holds water.
I have never seen any fans ever that turn on each other like the Skins fans on this board.
Very sad when fans have to pump themselves up by picking on other fans of the same team.

Oh well put on a helmet, take a hanky, and get over it.


You mean like that? :laugh:

Don't take it too seriously, unless you like to, I know I sure do sometimes :)

:cheers:

[seanyt]

Well said Art, I believe most of us were labeled Optimists, but I'll take that with pride. Joe Gibbs gave us a great quality team this year and now we get to enter the playoffs.
Well said Art, and well done Skins...

[Monte51Coleman]

Art, I assure you that there is an active search being done right now by yours truly that weed out those here that predict thumb. It's my mission. :)

PCS- I know that you don't need any help but I can provide you with a looooooooooong list of offenders, if you'd like. :)

[Rypien11]

LOl nice one Sarge except I am not trying to dig myself out of a hole.
To me I was never in any "hole".
I admited that I doubted during the game and made some less than positive remarkswill take my lumps for that.
However it does not make me any less of a fan.
Maybe in some peoples eyes it does and so be it.
Opinion are like....... and mine is no different.

[BossMayne80]

I was one of the fans that thought we were going to lose this game, mainly because of how our offense and defense was'nt clicking and we were struggling in the first half, I take back anything negative I had said though and I even started an''I apologize'' thread for not having faith in the team beating the Iggles..I will be more optomistic towards the team from from here on out..I can admit when i'm wrong..


peace..:)

[helluvaskinsfan]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.


I AGREE,IT REALLY IS DISTURBING,MAKES YOU QUESTION IF THEY ARE FANS

[thelarkascend1ng]

God bless this post.

[helluvaskinsfan]

I was one of the fans that thought we were going to lose this game, mainly because of how our offense and defense was'nt clicking and we were struggling in the first half, I take back anything negative I had said though and I even started an''I apologize'' thread for not having faith in the team beating the Iggles..I will be more optomistic towards the team from from here on out..I can admit when i'm wrong..


peace..:)

i was biting my nails and it wasnt looking good,it was scary,you have to remember things like week 2 vs dallas,anything can happen,we were never out of that game

[GrimReefa]

I have to strenuously disagree here.

This was an incredibly emotional game, and the team came out flat. We wouldn't be fans if we didn't get upset about things like that.

No one forces anyone to read negative threads.

[haroon]

we barley beat a 2nd string eagle team, how would we win a playoff game?

[skins fan1010]

Thanks Art.

I was starting to get sick of coming here and just made a suggestion in another post to separate quality posters from guys like "F16 Chief" who today posted that the season was over before the fourth quarter started.

[Park City Skins]

PCS- I know that you don't need any help but I can provide you with a looooooooooong list of offenders, if you'd like. :)
Any help would be nice. :)

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Best part of all this thread was started by a mod!!!

[AzSkinsFan63]

Amen...gotta believe and never boo your team..

[MustangSteve]

Ship all negative fans to philly, C.O.D

[skinsmania123]

I think most of us who have been rooting for the Skins for like 30 something years and know these divisions KNEW this was a tough game. My friend predicted we would win by 10, and she is ALWAYS right, so I just relaxed and was amazed at how resilient our D was in this game.

[Jumbo]

Man, I was all over the room this game leaping about like those island cannibal dancers in King Kong. Without the make-up, of course.

[TK]

we barley beat a 2nd string eagle team, how would we win a playoff game?
Hush.

[wbar3383]

I can stand a lil negativity, but some of these guys are on a massive scale.
Jphat and madcomp4life are always bumming me out in game threads.

[Sebowski]

I was very happy to see us not abandon the run are panick like we seemed to so earlier in the year. Just keep playing Redskins football! :cheers:

[georgiaredskin]

I wholeheartedly agree. Check your negativity at the door, this is indeed our time to celebrate. Kudos Art for saying what the majority were thinking.
Yes, thank you, Art. Most of the time the gamethread gets SO negative, and all of these piss-poor new threads on how we suck and the season is finished before even the second half cause me to jump back to the couch and avoid the site altogether during the games.

[skins fan1010]

we barley beat a 2nd string eagle team, how would we win a playoff game?

You're obviously not a Skins fan. You sound incredibly ignorant. They beat a division opponent on the road by ELEVEN points when they were down to cornerbacks who never played in the NFL before because the first, second, and some of the third teams were in the MASH tent.

If your'e a Giants fan, the Giants almost LOST to them a few weeks ago. It was a lucky backwards bounce of an Akers field goal that kept your team from losing the division.

If you're a Cowboys fan, you are a glutton for punishment after the Skins swept your team.

If You're an Eagles fan, I' l l t a l k r e a l s l o o o o w w w.
T h e S k i n s s w e p t y o u r t e a m.

[georgiaredskin]

Ship all negative fans to philly, C.O.D
AMEN, and I hear the Ravens need fans, too.

Haven't you negative people learned to NEVER, EVER underestimate or give up on the 2005-2006 Joe Gibbs Redskins? You should have learned by now, and fast.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Joe took over the pathetic remnants of a Spurrier-besotted team, and within two seasons, has them playing playoff-caliber football. Is there anyone here who still thinks that the hiring of Joe Gibbs was a mistake? If so, speak up - and face the consequences. :silly:
True. He had to tear down and rebuild. Besides the O-line and a D player here and there is there any resemblance to Spurrier's team? Not bad in two years when you had to rebuild a whole new offense.

[OldTownFan]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.


I'm not sure if I should take that personally or what..

I said Brunell sucked today, and he played like ****.

I still maintain I was right.

That doesn't mean I'm not rooting for the Redskins, or even for Mark Brunell.

I just made a VERY ACCURATE observation when I said some players can play through pain better than others, and Mark, can't play that well in pain.

That is a fact, look at his stats last season, look at his stats today.

It doesn't mean I want a QB switch, or that I think Ramsey is a better QB, it simply means exactly what I just typed, Mark, can't play all that well through pain, the way a Donovan McNabb has in the past.

Now, to say I don't have a right to celebrate to me is not only stupid, but ignorant.

I'm a Redskins fan, and when the QB was playing poorly, and was playing through pain, I thought that perhaps a healthy QB would perform better, how that means I'm not a fan is only something an ignorant mind could conjur up.

The Redskins won, Portis is the player of the game, the defense stepped up when it had to instead of stepped aside, and I'm happy. But other than a long bomb to Moss, Brunell had one of his worst games of the season, and it's obvious from anyone whose watched him play before that his poor play was the direct result of having a bad leg today, thats not a diss, thats a fact.

[#1AZRedskinfan]

How anybody can be sour after today's game is crazy!


Since 1999!.....I kinda wanna party like its 1999!..Then again I like 2006 so much already:D

[robbdeepnj]

i agree art!!! :) :logo:

[Cycopath]

thanks for helping clear up teh bs from so called fans

[Moody]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.

I hope your not sending that venom my way. Just because I am a realist and see a team that doesn't always play at the level they are capable of, does not mean I am negative. This team needs to learn to play 4 quarters in every game. A more experienced QB in Philadelphia today would have spelled doom for this team.

[Monte51Coleman]

Those whom this thread is directed at know exactly who they are.

[Whiskeypeet]

Hush.

Thanks again TK.

Hopefully that POS won't come back.

[Art]

Those whom this thread is directed at know exactly who they are.

Ding

[dcoles11]

Always so nice to sit on a horse and sling righteous insults at other fans.
What about the personal attack policy of the board?
I know some fans are tired of hearing complaining and doubting.
Well some are tired of all the folks that dub themselves "True Fans" feeling so righteous.
This thread is a prime example of a blanket personal attack against anyone that voices any opinion other that what the "True Fans" beleive.
This is a public message board not some private club for a select few who think they are all knowing and righteous.
The only reason this team won today was because of CP and the Defense.
Also the way the whole team was playing it was hard to keep a strong face.
They pulled it together and one, I am willing to admit I thought things were bleak and they were.
But CP and the Defense pulled it out.
I will gladly stand up and take my lumps for doubting that they could win the game.
However I still stand by the opinion that Mark is a liability when he is not 100% healthy.
Mark was the weak link on the field today, that is a fact.
The Skins won and I could not be happier, I did doubt though.
But what bothers me is that being a public message board there are alot of folks that feel they are better than other fans.
Any post that does not fit in with the "true fans" opinion get blasted by folks that feel they are so much better.
This thread is a prime example of what I mean.
A fan is a fan, and folks that get upset do so because they care for this team.
Did I doubt yes, Did I think Mark stunk the joint up today, yes.
Do I still love this team, beleive in Gibb's and excited to be in the playoffs, you bet.
4 more games to go, they can do it.
But it is going to take a better effort from the QB that the one that was on display today.



I'm not sure if Art is talking about every single negative comment or just the negative comments that aren't based in any fact, but more or less just blurted out anger.

At certain times a negative comment is just the flat out truth, so sometimes I don't see anything wrong with negativity.

But the threads started during the game today were just ridiculous. Some guy started a thread that blamed the game going the way it was on us fans because we talked about the playoffs during the week and didn't focus enough on the Eagles.

It was quickly pointed out to this brain child that we as fans were not at the game and were not the cause of the slow start. Threads like that are not just negative, they are thoughtless and useless.

I would hope Art did not mean that all negative comments are unwelcomed, that just dosen't seem like something that would allow for intelligent discussion. If we are just going to sit here and blow sunshine up each others rears about everything then i'm not sure how much a place like this would be worth.

Before the Dallas game a MOD (I think I know who it was but i'm not sure so i'm going to name a specific one) made a very intelligent negative thread.

He talked about Brunell's play vs the Cardinals and explained why that sort of play left us with pretty much no chance of beating the Cowboys.

His final remark was something like, "The Cowboys are going to kill us".

So again, I hope we are not putting an end to all negative comments because it has been proven that negative comments can be useful as far as discussion if they are well thought out and based in fact and not just mindless ranting.

To end on a postive note, the Redskins are in the playoffs for the first time since I was in a senior in high school and I couldn't be more excited! :logo: :D

[Whiskeypeet]

I'm not sure if I should take that personally or what..

I said Brunell sucked today, and he played like ****.

I still maintain I was right.

That doesn't mean I'm not rooting for the Redskins, or even for Mark Brunell.

I just made a VERY ACCURATE observation when I said some players can play through pain better than others, and Mark, can't play that well in pain.

That is a fact, look at his stats last season, look at his stats today.

It doesn't mean I want a QB switch, or that I think Ramsey is a better QB, it simply means exactly what I just typed, Mark, can't play all that well through pain, the way a Donovan McNabb has in the past.

Now, to say I don't have a right to celebrate to me is not only stupid, but ignorant.

I'm a Redskins fan, and when the QB was playing poorly, and was playing through pain, I thought that perhaps a healthy QB would perform better, how that means I'm not a fan is only something an ignorant mind could conjur up.

The Redskins won, Portis is the player of the game, the defense stepped up when it had to instead of stepped aside, and I'm happy. But other than a long bomb to Moss, Brunell had one of his worst games of the season, and it's obvious from anyone whose watched him play before that his poor play was the direct result of having a bad leg today, thats not a diss, thats a fact.

You aren't a negative fan.....just an annoying one.

Quit beating your drum. Get off your pedestal.

No one cares how you feel about issue X, Y, and Z.

Just celebrate the win...and the playoffs. Quit worrying about your agendas.

[GOSKINS_08]

I remember everbody was saying we were done,and i was one of few people saying that we would make the playoffs.And guess what we are in the playoffs!!GO REDSKINS!!

[Jumbo]

I hope your not sending that venom my way. Just because I am a realist and see a team that doesn't always play at the level they are capable of, does not mean I am negative. This team needs to learn to play 4 quarters in every game. A more experienced QB in Philadelphia today would have spelled doom for this team.


I'm not sure I've yet to see someone here who's used the term realist to describe themselves has actually undertsood how that term is defined in the world of logical argument. Because that definition sure isn't well-represented by the posting styles or content I've seen employed by those I've seen to date. Yours is no exception.

A quick example: A true realist would never make the statement "the team doesn't always play at the level their capable of". The realist would state that each game played was done at exactly the level the team was capable of at that point in time and it could not be any other way. Real realists are literal and pragmatic. They don't engage in what-ifs or coulda/woulda/shoulda.

What you, and quite literally ALL the others I refer to, do is commit the ego pretention of awarding yourself a classification you think holds admirable value, just like saying "I'm being handsome". Actually, how the majority of other people label your communcation is much more likely to be objectively accurate than your perception of the same. Such announced "realists" here are usually just people whose speculations and theories are being given self-administered "special" status. There is such a thing as real realists though, so that could be a goal.

[Monte51Coleman]

"Ego pretension". Priceless! :notworthy:

[GOSKN5]

I will admit that i was negative for a big part of the game.. it was really an ugly game....

but it was also a very pretty game too because of how our team did not give up and they played with heart... they did not really have their best stuff tonight..but they still found a way to win.....

I was not negative overall.... but i was during the game for a good part of the first half... but i never gave up on them.. and i never will....


GO SKINS>>>>> whooooooooo

[Ax]

I found this winner of a fan.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135380


Just because the team sucks, and their name is a racial slur, and the owner is a little weasel, and the head coach is old and stupid, and the assistant coaches suck, and their players can’t play, and they overpay them all, and the fans are all ignorant, and their stadium sucks, and their helmet is ugly, and all their wives and children are inbred doesn’t mean that I’m not the #1 Redskin fan on the planet.

Guys like him make me wanna shoot myself.

I think.

:bucsuck:

[OaktonSkins/BushFan]

Art, I assure you that there is an active search being done right now by yours truly that weed out those here that predict thumb. It's my mission. :)

Ah well, let me just turn myself in right now. I was very much in doubt around the 5-6 mark. Today, getting behind the horrific injury depleted Eagles, I was pretty emotional. But like Ghost said, posting on the game thread is not unlike simply yelling at your TV. What can I say? It's been a tough 6 years. Finally after beating the odds of winning five in a row - three in the NFC East -I'm a believer. Even if we lose next week, I'm extremely optimistic about next season. I think Gibbs has his core group of guys in place with just one or two missing pieces which will ensure that we don't have KC, Denver, and Oakland repeats next season.

:point2sky

[Blondie]

Ah well, let me just turn myself in right now. I was very much in doubt around the 5-6 mark. Today, getting behind the horrific injury depleted Eagles, I was pretty emotional. But like Ghost said, posting on the game thread is not unlike simply yelling at your TV. What can I say? It's been a tough 6 years. Finally after beating the odds of winning five in a row - three in the NFC East -I'm a believer. Even if we lose next week, I'm extremely optimistic about next season. I think Gibbs has his core group of guys in place with just one or two missing pieces which will ensure that we don't have KC, Denver, and Oakland repeats next season.

:point2sky


I am HOLDING you to this Oakton!!

And you know I will!! ;);)

Blondie

[Joey T]

']The Eagles weren't going to roll over and give the Skins a playoff spot. The Redskins showed me something I had not seen from them in a long time. I was actually waiting for them to somehow lose the game. I guess that is what a coach like Joe Gibbs can do for a team. Instead of finding a way to lose, they found a way to win against a team that came ready to play.

Congrats. :cheers:

Hey Art. Can we keep these proactive non-skins fans aboard :laugh:

[carter23]

like i said in the other thread, i apologize for overreacting, but its just how i am during the game usually... i still don't think im nearlyh as bad as most posters in the game thread.... since i missed the super bowl runs, this is one of the biggest games in my life redskin-wise, so i was so upset to see what looked like what was going to be another dissapointing loss.

the only times i've been outspoken was when ramsey wasted 2 TOs back to back and early in this game

[spanishomelette]

There is difference between being critical of the team, and taking a dump of emotional crap that you would never say in mixed company yet will still post it on this board. The latter I believe is who this thread is directed at.

[Art]

There is difference between being critical of the team, and taking a dump of emotional crap that you would never say in mixed company yet will still post it on this board. The latter I believe is who this thread is directed at.

Ding.

[OaktonSkins/BushFan]

I am HOLDING you to this Oakton!!

And you know I will!! ;);)

Blondie


No worries, Blondie. After shaking the NORVousness off, Gibbs has made me a true believer once again. With that said, I may very well "shout at the TV" occassionally, but that's it.

:point2sky


:cheers:

[Bat~man]

i admit i was being a bit negative today and i just stopped posting so i wouldnt say something stupid , was a lot of emotion watching the skins today beeeen sooooo long since this kinda stuff was going good for the skins so i mighta got carried away , but believe me whatever i said if i did say something negative , im 100% happy with eating crow >< .... HTTR !!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[dcoles11]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.


Going into the game, I made a concerted effort to watch our receivers (particularly Jacobs) to get to the bottom of the problem of our anemic passing offense. There are something you can see at the game - and on the sidelines - that you cannot appreciate on TV (ie. wide receiver patterns and coverage).

Given the "general" blame that has been spread (pass protection, defensive pass protection - double coverage, Jacobs' lack of talent, etc)... I figured it was a worthwhile focus.

Here's what I noticed. If I was going to place blame on ANYBODY about our passing offense... I'd put it on 2 things:

(2) Joe Gibbs. Not so much playcalling... but play design. The passing routes of our receivers are basic. You see any slants? Crossing patterns? Picks? Isolating matchups? Never.

Our receivers line up and run simple in-routes, out-routes and go-routes. As a BIG surprised yesterday... Jacobs single 7-yard completion was a comeback route. The same route he ran when he dropped (ie. defensed) the second time.

Yesterday, the Card defense yesterday was PRIME to attack via the passing game. Almost 70% of the game they were in 1-deep coverage. Corners playing man and 1 safety deep providing coverage over top.

Do you think they were rolling the safety to Moss? Nope. Common misperception.

Defenses have found "keys" in our passing game. It seemed they were always correctly rolling the saftey to the correct side.

Cornerbacks are playing 10 yards off of our receivers and turning and playing the go-route all the way. That's why our receivers aren't getting behind anyone.

(1) Mark Brunell. You want to stop him? Roll coverage to his throwing side.

Watch Brunell. He's very uncomfortable in the pocket. He won't stay in there long to deliver a pass or let pass plays develop. That's why he's running the ball.. or rolling out for passing and completing passes underneath.

We could have had Brad Johnson for nothing if we wanted a QB who will prioritize the check-downs.

He doesn't even look at the opposite side of the field... even when there's single coverage out there nearly 60% of the time. Moss and Jacobs each rotated to Brunell's right side... way outside.. and drew single coverage. Brunell didn't look their once.

It's a shame... but Mark is using half the field. And the defense is playing zone in between the hashmarks and the sidelines. That's why even if the Redskins player catches the ball... he's met immediately by defenders and taking hits. No YAC yards.

And 2 of Brunell's interceptions yesterday were literally thrown to a spot were our receivers weren't. Not even close.

Brunell is done.

We are going to get killed by the Cowboys.


I think the man that made this post is pretty well respected around here.

I think the last two lines of this quote are pretty negative as well.

Are we questioning whether or not this guy is a true Redskin fan as well?

Like I said earlier, negativity has its place when it is based on fact and is presented in a mature way. Which this post cleary was.

I hate to disagree with you Art cause I have alot of respect for you and your views but Die Hard declared the Cowboy game over before it even started in this post and you are calling others non Redskin fans for being negative after a bad first half today.

I'd like it to be known that I didn't make a post during the game today that was in the least bit negative, so i'm not covering my own butt here. I just think we all need to settle down alittle bit here with the fellow Redskin fan bashing.

[Park City Skins]

Ah well, let me just turn myself in right now. I was very much in doubt around the 5-6 mark.

5-6 mark. As in minutes of each game ;)

Noted OSF.

[OaktonSkins/BushFan]

5-6 mark. As in minutes of each game ;)

Noted OSF.


Come on, PCS. There's a special exemption for posts in the game thread. Outside of that is fair game, as they say. And I'm certainly guilty of that.

:cheers:

[Art]

I think the man that made this post is pretty well respected around here.

I think the last two lines of this quote are pretty negative as well.

Are we questioning whether or not this guy is a true Redskin fan as well?

Like I said earlier, negativity has its place when it is based on fact and is presented in a mature way. Which this post cleary was.

I hate to disagree with you Art cause I have alot of respect for you and your views but Die Hard declared the Cowboy game over before it even started in this post and you are calling others non Redskin fans for being negative after a bad first half today.

I'd like it to be known that I didn't make a post during the game today that was in the least bit negative, so i'm not covering my own butt here. I just think we all need to settle down alittle bit here with the fellow Redskin fan bashing.

Die Hard being wrong has been around since he denied Gretzky as the best player in hockey, but, the point is, Die Hard's post is absolutely NOT the type of post I'm addressing. Hell, Die Hard was even hours behind my post saying there was no way we beat Dallas if we play like we played against Arizona. Thoughtful posts are perfectly fine.

The gloom and doomers who actually appear ONLY to be happy when things are not going as well as you'd like and who almost never show up otherwise are those I'm addressing. They arrive with GLEE when things are down and disappear when they aren't. It's because they aren't actually fans of THIS team.

[Park City Skins]

Come on, PCS. There's a special exemption for posts in the game thread. Outside of that is fair game, as they say. And I'm certainly guilty of that.

:cheers:
There is? Hmmm. I'll have to look that one up in the By-Laws. Exemptions for being negative about the team during the game, ( heat of battle?), as compared to during season in general. Get back to you.

:cheers:

[Joey T]

There's an axiom regarding things you love or know nothing about;

If you cannot say something positive, don't say anything at all

[Craig]

blah blah blah. I will root for the team as I see fit.

[Art]

blah blah blah. I will root for the team as I see fit.

No. You'll root for the team by rooting for the team. You don't get to define that. You either like the team or you don't. Do you?

[OaktonSkins/BushFan]

There is? Hmmm. I'll have to look that one up in the By-Laws. Exemptions for being negative about the team during the game, ( heat of battle?), as compared to during season in general. Get back to you.

:cheers:


I'll simply restate what I previously said: The "game thread" is pretty much like yelling at your TV.


Anyway, enough of that. I just want to rejoice in this tremendous victory. If we can get a few guys back for next week, then I'm feeling extraordinarily confident for next week.


:point2sky

[Craig]

No. You'll root for the team by rooting for the team. You don't get to define that. You either like the team or you don't. Do you?

lol..who made you God? I watch the Redskins and have the ups and downs of every normal fan. When the Skins look bad, I get pissed. I've been known to boo, throw the remote control at the TV, and kick dogs (of this, I am kidding). When they look good, I am elated, cheer, hug friends and family, etc. I have been watching the Redskins for over 30 years and don't need YOU to tell me how to root for the team.

[Craig]

I'll simply restate what I previously said: The "game thread" is pretty much like yelling at your TV.

Agreed 100%. Different people channel their energies differently. But we all love the Skins.

[Art]

lol..who made you God? I watch the Redskins and have the ups and downs of every normal fan. When the Skins look bad, I get pissed. I've been known to boo, throw the remote control at the TV, and kick dogs (of this, I am kidding). When they look good, I am elated, cheer, hug friends and family, etc. I have been watching the Redskins for over 30 years and don't need YOU to tell me how to root for the team.

Again, I'm not telling you how to root for your team. The definition of rooting for your team is telling you how to do that. If you can't abide what that means, then the problem is you, not me. I get angry too. I was actually so irritated today I vomited during the game and couldn't eat. And, I continued to root for someone to make a play and make a difference and Marshall did then Portis did.

I didn't say everyone sucks, we're doomed, it's over, and if you did, then, indeed, you need me to tell you a lot of things.

[dcoles11]

Die Hard being wrong has been around since he denied Gretzky as the best player in hockey, but, the point is, Die Hard's post is absolutely NOT the type of post I'm addressing. Hell, Die Hard was even hours behind my post saying there was no way we beat Dallas if we play like we played against Arizona. Thoughtful posts are perfectly fine.

The gloom and doomers who actually appear ONLY to be happy when things are not going as well as you'd like and who almost never show up otherwise are those I'm addressing. They arrive with GLEE when things are down and disappear when they aren't. It's because they aren't actually fans of THIS team.

I apologize if I misunderstood who you were addressing with this thread Art.

There was a member that started a thread that was titled, "we we'll lose this game if Ramsey dosen't come in for Brunell" or something like that.

That is doom and gloom, he clearly stated that he thought we were not going to win unless Gibbs benched Brunell because he seemed to be hurt.

Though I did not agree with this thread I certainly do not think this is a thread that should be attacked, even having a doom and gloom tone.

Brunell did look hurt and his passes were kinda all over the place early in the game and that fan has every right to voice his opinion based on those facts that he thinks Ramsey would give us the best shot to win the game.

I see no difference between that thread and Die-hard's thread, both were doom and gloom based on facts.

You may have no problem with that thread either, I just assumed from your original post that you were going after all threads that were doom and gloom and saying these people were no Redskin fans.

[Craig]

Again, I'm not telling you how to root for your team. The definition of rooting for your team is telling you how to do that. If you can't abide what that means, then the problem is you, not me. I get angry too. I was actually so irritated today I vomited during the game and couldn't eat. And, I continued to root for someone to make a play and make a difference and Marshall did then Portis did.

I didn't say everyone sucks, we're doomed, it's over, and if you did, then, indeed, you need me to tell you a lot of things.

I said the defense was embarrassing early on. Does that not make me a fan? Let people vent the way they want to vent. They are going to do it anyway, regardless of what you say. I think you jsut have to accept that not everybody handles adversity the same way. Some are overly optimistic, some overly pessimistic. It's the nature of people, and sports.

[airborneskins]

Thread of the Year! Thanks Art

[ashburnskinsfan]

The game thread today was painful to witness with the same people posting repetitive negative comments on their favorite topic.

One poster just ranted about Gibbs play calling over and over.
Another called for Brunell's benching time and again.
Another just repeated 'goodbye playoffs'.
And so on

A real fan can be critical but not one dimensional and repetitively negative. What we saw in today's game thread wasn't the behavior of angry FANS. It was the behavior of angry SPECTATORS or TROLLS. There's a big difference.

[Destino]

Fine by me. My only post today was this one:


I hope this doesn't turn into the Raiders game where the same go route is called for a sub par #2 reciever all game. Thrash isn't out running anyone.

Still think we will win though. The defense started looking horrible but I think they're getting better and will shut down the eagles in the second half.

See that second part? Dead on.

[OaktonSkins/BushFan]

The game thread today was painful to witness with the same people posting repetitive negative comments on their favorite topic.

One poster just ranted about Gibbs play calling over and over.
Another called for Brunell's benching time and again.
Another just repeated 'goodbye playoffs'.
And so on

A real fan can be critical but not one dimensional and repetitively negative. What we saw in today's game thread wasn't the behavior of angry FANS. It was the behavior of angry SPECTATORS or TROLLS. There's a big difference.

Yeah, I'm guilty of making one of those posts when we fell behind in the first half, 17-7. I'm also one of those guys who lost his voice for nearly two weeks screaming my head off and giving opposing fans HELL at FedEx during the Cowboys and Giants games. So what? It's ok to vent every so often.

[Joe Gibbs II]

Some people are dense here. There's a difference between

"Brunell is struggling and can't seem to move that well, Ramsey would give us a better chance"

and

"Gibbs is an idiot for having Brunell in, now we're going to lose because of his knee"

Things like this were said, those are the kind of statements being addressed.

[Art]

Some people are dense here. There's a difference between

"Brunell is struggling and can't seem to move that well, Ramsey would give us a better chance"

and

"Gibbs is an idiot for having Brunell in, now we're going to lose because of his knee"

Things like this were said, those are the kind of statements being addressed.

DING for the newbie.

It ain't hard.

[OaktonSkins/BushFan]

DING for the newbie.

It ain't hard.

I specifically stated in the game thread, down 17-7 against an absolutely atrocious Eagles team, that the season was over. That certianly falls under the later category. I was venting. Frustrated. Trying to shake the NORVousness. I just don't think it's fair to label me, and others, as "trolls" for being emotional.

Anyway, congrats fellow 'Skins fan. Here's to the end of the Dark Ages!!

:cheers:

[JimmiJo]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.

Outstanding, only they soon will return, predicting doom because of some player or the manner in which we do a certain thing.

[ashburnskinsfan]

I specifically stated in the game thread, down 17-7 against an absolutely atrocious Eagles team, that the season was over. That certianly falls under the later category. I was venting. Frustrated. Trying to shake the NORVousness. I just don't think it's fair to label me, and others, as "trolls" for being emotional.

Anyway, congrats fellow 'Skins fan. Here's to the end of the Dark Ages!!

:cheers:

Venting is one thing, but those who posted the same negative thought over and over are fairly called trolls.

[tlk2rn]

True that Art, these fairweather fans need to get the hell out of here and go somewhere else. We dont need them nor do we have any use for them.

[airborneskins]

Oooh Oooohh.. Can I get a Ding? :laugh:

[SkinsFTW]

Just a few questions and an analysis on what some of the problems are:

So is this what some posters were talking about 6 months ago when the Redskins took over ownership here? Is it going to be a police state on posting from here on out and all must agree with keeping a player like Brunell in the game even though he can't throw the ball 15 yards effectively, which is what a lot of members were claiming?

I am all for having guidelines, such as newbie posters can't start new threads more than once a week/day or something to keep good threads from being on page 10 after an hour. Or having a separate forum or several forums for talking about players/trades/draft or other things besides the actual Redskins.

What I don't see is banning people for being the idiots that they are given access to be around here. Day in and day out there are members starting 5-10 threads one right after the other on BS, but its allowed therefore all we see are 1000s of complaints about it all day, 24 hours a day. I started a thread earlier today and 1-2 minutes later it was on page 3 or 4. If there was a limit then people would save their thread until they really had something to say. If not then they couldn't start another one for whatever timeframe the setting is set to.

I don't get to watch the games, and didnt get to see the one today. The game thread used to serve a purpose for people like me who can't watch the game. I used to come here, read the game thread and I could pretty much follow the game from start to finish. Not anymore. I saw several requests in the thread if others could give us some information on what is going on other than "Goddamed Brunell" or "Hell Yeah my broski ST". A few seemed to be trying to make it an actual game thread while 500 others made it seem like I was in the stands with a blindfold on.

It would be appreciated by more than just a few members if there could be an actual game thread dedicated to the game from here on out. I am sure that there are people watching the game who wouldn't mind giving us a sort of play by play with some "hell yeah ST just picked up a fumble and ran it in for 6" and "Portis ran behind Jansen for 5 yards" type posts.

The way the game thread is now I can tell when something big happened in the game because when I'm on page 53 reading through all the bs and i click refresh suddenly the last page is 57 and it takes a couple minutes to read through all the "Ramsey should be in the game" and "Gibbs is an idiot for playing Brunell" and "Why didn't he throw it away that time" and "Bull****" and "Why the **** did he do that" posts to finally get foxsports to refresh and see that Brunell threw an Int.

I think the board needs to change certain things before it starts just randomly banning people for not being the type of fan certain others prefer. Otherwise you risk there being an even greater elitist attitude which is unwarranted for the most part. The noobs could just not have access to every function or be limited in how often they start the same old stupid threads. If they don't like it then there are about 50K members here anyway so no biggie. :2cents:

[[[ghost]]]

i say we ban/spank them...

[dcsmooth]

Friendly suggestion:


Part time fans, pay attention to full time committed fans during games. We might show some disappointment but we still support the team.

I have a 12 year old daughter that's a die hard fan. She watches the game with me and understands the game quite well. I have never heard her say "we're going to lose" or "put Ramsey in" by the way the Redskins are playing a game. Instead, she'll say "get the ball to Moss, Cooley or Sellers" or "give it to Portis!"

I know watching the game sometimes can make you disappointed but always support the team, always.

Just a friendly suggestion!

Thank you,

Smooth :)

[TK]

I don't get to watch the games, and didnt get to see the one today. The game thread used to serve a purpose for people like me who can't watch the game. I used to come here, read the game thread and I could pretty much follow the game from start to finish. Not anymore. I saw several requests in the thread if others could give us some information on what is going on other than "Goddamed Brunell" or "Hell Yeah my broski ST". A few seemed to be trying to make it an actual game thread while 500 others made it seem like I was in the stands with a blindfold on.

It would be appreciated by more than just a few members if there could be an actual game thread dedicated to the game from here on out. I am sure that there are people watching the game who wouldn't mind giving us a sort of play by play with some "hell yeah ST just picked up a fumble and ran it in for 6" and "Portis ran behind Jansen for 5 yards" type posts.

The way the game thread is now I can tell when something big happened in the game because when I'm on page 53 reading through all the bs and i click refresh suddenly the last page is 57 and it takes a couple minutes to read through all the "Ramsey should be in the game" and "Gibbs is an idiot for playing Brunell" and "Why didn't he throw it away that time" and "Bull****" and "Why the **** did he do that" posts to finally get foxsports to refresh and see that Brunell threw an Int.

I'll take this part of your post & let Art answer the rest of it cause 1) I think you're way off base in what you were understanding & 2) It's Art's thread & he can speak for himself better then I can.

As far as a seperate, no comment game thread, we've done that in the past. Or we've at least tried it. The last time someone mentioned it, I asked for a volunteer or two. One guy said he'd run it & keep it updated. Come game day, the guy never even showed up online to do it. There hasn't been a seperate game thread since. I believe most people wanting that seperate thread just go to nfl.com or cbssportsline.com or somewhere where the same info can be found.

[herrmag]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.

This board has no room for homers like you.... :silly: :notworthy

[dcoles11]

The non-fans predicting doom just because we didn't jump out to a 20-point lead at the start of this game need to avoid this team from now on. This time is for fans of this team who love this team and hope for the best, not worst. If you are such a jerk as to attempt to ruin the feeling of finally STARTING to achieve as a team, go ahead and root for someone else.

And do it somewhere else.

Art your original post here seems to have morphed as this thread has gone on.

Now it is being stated that negativity is fine as long as you do it in a mature and factually way.

I believe this the example you agreed with.

Originally Posted by Joe Gibbs II
Some people are dense here. There's a difference between

"Brunell is struggling and can't seem to move that well, Ramsey would give us a better chance"

and

"Gibbs is an idiot for having Brunell in, now we're going to lose because of his knee"

Things like this were said, those are the kind of statements being addressed.


No where in your thread starting post do I see any of this explained. All I read is you being tired of the doom and gloom posters.

I've already posted a quote from "Die-hard" where he was very much predicting doom and gloom.

He stated Brunell was finished (this was after the Arizona game) and that the Cowboys were going to kill us.

Odviously I consider Die-hard someone that I and others should follow and learn from as far as how to act on this message board.

So I hope you can see how if I just read your starting post for this thread for what it exactly says that I might wonder if you were calling out post like Die-hards, someone like I said that I try to learn from.

What I don't appreciate is being called dense and you agreeing with that statement because I questioned who you were exactly calling out.

I think you can admit your post says nothing about ligit negativity post, that idea seems to have evolved throughout this thread.

I think you would have been better served to explain the complete meaning of this thread yourself rather than letting other posters do it for you and agree with them as they do.


DING for the newbie.

It ain't hard.

Actually it is hard when you don't make your view clear in your initial post.

You were calling out doom and gloomers, you said nothing about people that use the word, "sucks" and "idiot" too much when posting their negativity.

Just my :2cents:

Art, I don't want this to be a personal battle here, i'm really just reacting to the statement where I and anyone else that questioned who you were exactly calling out, are dense. I hope i've explained my position.

[AJ_Skins]

Botttom line, this place is lame.

[SkinsFTW]

Botttom line, this place is lame.


Says the lamer with 1160 posts in 5 months.

It must be really lame since you posted here over 225 times a month over the past 5 months. :laugh:

[Major Harris]

The official game thread is the internet equivalent of being at home and drinking and cursing at the screen.

I never got the condemnation of negative posts on the the game thread. No one curses at the screen and yelps in excitement within the space of a few seconds at home?
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Major Harris]

The gloom and doomers who actually appear ONLY to be happy when things are not going as well as you'd like and who almost never show up otherwise are those I'm addressing. They arrive with GLEE when things are down and disappear when they aren't. It's because they aren't actually fans of THIS team.
i have to respectfully disagree with you on that one. you'll be hard pressed to find a more dedicated 'skins fan than me (i know, we all think that). but i don't come here after a loss. is it because i'm not a true fan? no. it's because it takes me 2-4 days to get over a loss. i take a few steps back from football after a loss so that i don't go crazy. there is so much emotion involved in being a die hard fan of this team. just because i don't visit this site and rah-rah, rally the troops after a loss doesn't make me a non-fan.

[BlueTalon]

blah blah blah. I will root for the team as I see fit.
lol..who made you God? I watch the Redskins and have the ups and downs of every normal fan. When the Skins look bad, I get pissed. I've been known to boo, throw the remote control at the TV, and kick dogs (of this, I am kidding). When they look good, I am elated, cheer, hug friends and family, etc. I have been watching the Redskins for over 30 years and don't need YOU to tell me how to root for the team.There's something about these two posts that, in light of the original post and who originated this thread, is kind of like watching the petite, attractive, unathletic and unarmed woman go up the stairs in a horror movie. Or watching someone slip and fall face-first into a huge mud puddle in slow motion.

[BlueTalon]

Before anything else, Congrats on the win, guys! You're in! It has been quite a ride. I hope you make it to Seattle (consider this an invitation :D)

Re. the topic: There was a guy on the Seahawk message boards in the preseason and into the season that kept insisting the Seahawks wasted their draft picks, Holmgren was an idiot, no way were the Seahawks going over 8 wins this year, etc. I haven't seen him (I haven't been looking, actually) for the past few months, but he served as a window into the soul of these kinds of "fans".

Common denominators:
They are very knowledgeable people. They have "contacts", they know more about football than most people. They know more about football than you do. They know more about football than the coaches. They display their brilliance brilliantly, and if you can't recognize their superior knowledge/experience/contacts/reasoning skills, then you're a moron.

They are realists. Optimism bothers them because it's a sign of stupidity and a lack of ability to deal with the facts as they are. And if you can't see that, then you're just an idiot.

They have sophisticated senses of humor and dry wit. And if you can't tell when they're being sarcastic, then you're just stupid.

[Oh, man! Someone on CNN radio just announced the firing of head coach "Mike Rice"! LOL!!!]

[Prosperity]

Originally Posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin
The official game thread is the internet equivalent of being at home and drinking and cursing at the screen.

I never got the condemnation of negative posts on the the game thread. No one curses at the screen and yelps in excitement within the space of a few seconds at home?

that pretty much sums it up, don't get why people don't understand that.

The people that are still complaining after a win though, (ie "we don't deserve to be in the playoffs") those guys are real haters.

[obiemills]

Art,
I stopped going to the "game thread" after the third game and subscribed to the NFL ticket so I could hear what was going on. As an avid diehard living in Florida, I found it very frustrating to scroll thru page after page of:
"great play", "damn", "@%$#", etc. with little real information on what was happening. A number of us who don't get regular telecasts or local Washington area radio repeatedly asked for meaningful updates with very little response. To call it a "game thread" is really a stretch.

I love this site and visit several times a day and really enjoy and appreciate the vast amount of news and information provided by most of the members but the "game thread" is nothing more than a cheer or vent forum. Whether it is positive or negative really should not make any difference. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[Prosperity]

Art,
I stopped going to the "game thread" after the third game and subscribed to the NFL ticket so I could hear what was going on. As an avid diehard living in Florida, I found it very frustrating to scroll thru page after page of:
"great play", "damn", "@%$#", etc. with little real information on what was happening. A number of us who don't get regular telecasts or local Washington area radio repeatedly asked for meaningful updates with very little response. To call it a "game thread" is really a stretch.

I love this site and visit several times a day and really enjoy and appreciate the vast amount of news and information provided by most of the members but the "game thread" is nothing more than a cheer or vent forum. Whether it is positive or negative really should not make any difference. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

I think it may be a good idea not to even have a game thread, just threads on certain topics like the offense, defense, or special teams. That way the posts are more than just gut reactions. Or atleast they are more organized gut reactions.

[skinsfan12]

Negativity Intervention 101:

If you begin to feel slightly negative towards the B & G, simply remeber to follow these steps.

Step 1: Do Not Believe Everything you read in the papers or sports sites. These resources are chock full of negativity towards the Skins. They produce praise once in a blue moon.

Step 2: Joe is right. Say it with me..."Coach Gibbs knows way more about football and the Skins than I ever will." You may think you know what's going on, but you aren't anywhere close to having access to the team's strategy or present situation. The best method for getting as close as possible to the information is a daily dose of ES.

Step 3: Trust Joe, even when things seem dire. Remeber, this guy is a winner in everything he's attempted (except for a bad investment in the 80's). He's won multiple Super Bowls, multiple NASCAR championships, and was a world class raquetballer. For the past couple years, he's devoted countless hours to making the Skins better. It turns out that many of his off-season moves were simply genius.

Step 4: Good things are worth waiting for. Unfortunately for Gibbs, he timed his return after a season in which a returning Parcells went 10-6 with the Boys and set the bar high for Gibbs. For some reason, it seemed like everyone measured Gibbs' success based on how he'd compare with Parcells' first year with the Boys. Well, when the Skins went 6-10 (despite many close games and an injured QB), the doubters had a field day. Lesson learned: team rebuilding can take more than a sinlge season. And it looks like Joe is building a foundation made of stone, not sand.

Step 5: When in doubt, just ask Art (and many other veterans of ES). This site can usually provide "the other side" when it comes to a Redskin moment. Just take note of the clarity and cognizance demonstrated by Om and others when it comes to relating their perspective of the team. They truly are Skins fans first and can lead you to the promised land...if only you believe.

Step 6: Do your homework. Part of what generates negativity is a knee jerk reaction to something happening either on or off the field. Everything has a purpose. Do your research and follow the story. Maybe the situation is no big deal. Maybe there's much more to the story than you're seeing from the local rags. Be persistent in your pursuit of the truth.

Good luck.

[Moody]

I'm not sure I've yet to see someone here who's used the term realist to describe themselves has actually undertsood how that term is defined in the world of logical argument. Because that definition sure isn't well-represented by the posting styles or content I've seen employed by those I've seen to date. Yours is no exception.

A quick example: A true realist would never make the statement "the team doesn't always play at the level their capable of". The realist would state that each game played was done at exactly the level the team was capable of at that point in time and it could not be any other way. Real realists are literal and pragmatic. They don't engage in what-ifs or coulda/woulda/shoulda.

What you, and quite literally ALL the others I refer to, do is commit the ego pretention of awarding yourself a classification you think holds admirable value, just like saying "I'm being handsome". Actually, how the majority of other people label your communcation is much more likely to be objectively accurate than your perception of the same. Such announced "realists" here are usually just people whose speculations and theories are being given self-administered "special" status. There is such a thing as real realists though, so that could be a goal.

Do you feel better now? I hope so - because your response is unwarranted.

[BlueTalon]

Here's one! (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2019664&postcount=1)


:doh: Way to go Joe!!! Let's throw the season away because Brunell and Harris are christians and they deserve to play in an important game in their life . Please !!! If you don't play Ramsey soon than you suck as a coach.

[Prosperity]

I think BT is a closet skins fan

[obiemills]

Bet me :).


NEWS FLASH!!!

THIS JUST IN: Art bans Sonny and Sam from Extremeskins game thread for negative comments.

;) ;) ;)

[Art]

DCColes.

It isn't hard. The people I'm talking to know who they are and what they're doing. It's not a mystery.

AJ,

Glad you think so. Other places are much better. Enjoy :).

Game thread note:

No one here cares what goes on in the game thread. One person has been banned for a short period of time -- an Eagle fan being an idiot -- for comments in the game thread. Again, none of this is hard. Don't try and create boogiemen where they do not exist.

The symptom I'm addressing is easily identifiable.

[Art]

Here's one! (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2019664&postcount=1)

Ding.

Why is it a Seahawk fan gets it better than some others of you?

[Art]

i have to respectfully disagree with you on that one. you'll be hard pressed to find a more dedicated 'skins fan than me (i know, we all think that). but i don't come here after a loss. is it because i'm not a true fan? no. it's because it takes me 2-4 days to get over a loss. i take a few steps back from football after a loss so that i don't go crazy. there is so much emotion involved in being a die hard fan of this team. just because i don't visit this site and rah-rah, rally the troops after a loss doesn't make me a non-fan.

And I didn't say it did. Being depressed after a loss would be a sign of a good fan. Most of us post less after losses because it hurts. So, keep that up. I join you in the same :).

[skinsfan44]

Thank you, Art.

THANK, YOU.

I too am tired of all this negative talk.

[Major Harris]

And I didn't say it did. Being depressed after a loss would be a sign of a good fan. Most of us post less after losses because it hurts. So, keep that up. I join you in the same :).
i think i get it......

[sxs44]

I was one of the few who was pessimistic. But that does not mean I am not a fan. Regardless of the score I always want the Skins to win and will always root for them.

SXS

[Monte51Coleman]

Before anything else, Congrats on the win, guys! You're in! It has been quite a ride. I hope you make it to Seattle (consider this an invitation :D)



Be careful what you wish for BT, you just might get it. :)

[KDawg]

And I didn't say it did. Being depressed after a loss would be a sign of a good fan. Most of us post less after losses because it hurts. So, keep that up. I join you in the same :).

See, I'm different. I find it therapeutic to come here and read all the posts about how Brunell sucks and how Gibbs sucks... It's funny. It makes me laugh. Takes the anger out of my system.

[Peregrine]

Eeesh...

Enough with the fair weather fan crap. There is no such thing when it comes to Redskins. Some people however were finally wrong. This is the same stuff they have seen the past 14 years, the same stuff they have SAID the past 14 years. The difference is, this time they were wrong.

I was at home, when I saw the 17-7 and how flat we were I was fully expecting a let time. I said, it was gut check time(of course I wasnt about to waste my time saying anything on the boards.........why), and we did what we have not been able to do for a long time.... play clutch in big games.

But seriously, enough with the fair weather fan comments. This isnt the Yankees here. Heck, this isnt even the Orioles.

[Sknsnation]

:helmet: :helmet: Amen Art,... preach my redskins brother:helmet: :helmet:

[Reaganaut]

I am one of the negative fans that wait for the next shoe to drop on the team actually. In the dog days of Norv Turner I cheered loudly in the stands and screamed at other Skins fans to get up and cheer the team on. Then they'd lose another game where they outplayed the other team. Joe Gibbs has me believing in HIM again... these players are just starting to make me believe in them. This season has been a bloody miracle. The first Cowboys game was a bloody miracle. Mark Brunell is a bloody miracle. This is the man upstairs operating here. Joe Gibbs is his messenger. My faith was very weak when I was at the Oakland game. I told my friends the Skins would lose when they were ahead in the game. Jump on me hard now... but I still keep on the board because I love the team. This is a bloody miracle... otherworldly in fact to me. Gives me faith in players again. Salevea hugging Gibbs after the game brought me back. Amazing.

[SittingBull]

Nice thread, one of the reasons I avoid the boards during the game is because of the negativity. It's expected though after all the years of mediocrity we've had it seems alot of fans are programmed to be that way and expect the worst. A loss hurts alot less if you condition yourself to expect the worst instead of expecting the best. Cheers to Gibb's and the player's efforts in changing this very bad habit!

[dmauro1]

You can be objective w/o being negative. G.Williams took the season home when JG couldnt finish games in St.L, Az, and Philly. I didnt see anything diff. yesterday than I have seen the last 2 years. If we lose GW this off season, any "progress" we made the last 2 seasons will be gone. It's not just a matter of Snyder matching $$, so we will have to see.