View Full Version : So Do We Really Need A De Next Year???
qcraftsman
January-2nd-2006, 09:56 PM
I have to admit I was even thinking this over a month ago until Daniels and Wynn stepped up there games.
Although they are both up there in age aren't they and what do you guys think, do we need to find a Defensive End or not?
dfbovey
January-2nd-2006, 09:59 PM
Yes, we do. Daniels didn't come on till late this year, Wynn isn't much of a pass rusher and they are both up there in age. We need a young passrusher off the edge.
We've neglected this position long enough.
Chachie
January-2nd-2006, 10:00 PM
Yes we do. Our DEs are doing well now, but not "pro bowl" well. I know that's alot to ask but we should deepen that position in case of injury or departure.
No_Pressure
January-2nd-2006, 10:03 PM
I dont like Wynn very much, he never and I mean NEVER gets to the QB and only about half the time get his hands up. He is a very very solid tackler though, I only wish we could combine his run stopping ability with someone who knew how the hell to get to the QB and we would have...well another Charles Mann on our hands. :D
I_hate_Cowgurls
January-2nd-2006, 10:05 PM
YES! we need one!
id love to get Dwight Freeny. *dreaming*
aussieskin
January-2nd-2006, 10:14 PM
Why cant lavar play at DE, he is fast enuff, and would allow him to do his thing against the run as well.
brandies
January-2nd-2006, 10:16 PM
lavarr is gone, need another speed rusher DE, LB to go along with Clemmons.
Fred Jones
January-2nd-2006, 10:21 PM
Yes, we need a pass rushing DE. While we are at it why don't we also get a project DE that can come on in a couple years to replace Daniels/Wynn.
CLBinMD
January-2nd-2006, 10:21 PM
We need several lineman, on both sides of the ball. The games we struggle in are the games where we have trouble controlling the line of scrimmage. I like Wynn & Daniels but they (& Joe S. as well) are best when platooned. Our #1 O-line sub is 43.
As we don't own our 1st round pick, I'd hope the scouts are focused on this.
Cheers,
CLBinMD
Carlito Sway
January-2nd-2006, 10:29 PM
Yes please sir, may we have another?
redskins55
January-3rd-2006, 01:13 AM
Oh yea..........
RedskinzOwnU
January-3rd-2006, 01:15 AM
We do need a DE, but i think we need a receiver more. Both are our biggest needs, and hopefully both will be filled in the offseason.
I_hate_Cowgurls
January-3rd-2006, 01:17 AM
Can we get Dwight Freeny here?!
Thinking Skins
January-3rd-2006, 01:19 AM
I think that what these last 5 games has shown us is that its not as pressing a need as it seemed. Our starters are capable of doing things. But the problem with Daniels Wynn and even Salvea is that they are really nothing without Griffin. Our line shouldn't be so one dimensional. You saw the games, Griffin goes down, suddenly people are calling for Williams's pink slip. We need more impact players on the line who can possibly change a game. Griffin does a nice job at it, but the game is won and lost on the line so we need to make sure we're ready to win that battle.
terpfan
January-3rd-2006, 01:20 AM
Yes, but not as much as a WR. And maybe jsut a good situational pass ruhser would do. Im thinking we should sign a #2 WR and draft our pass rusher in the second round.
MustangSteve
January-3rd-2006, 01:23 AM
We need pass rushing specialist.
The Batman
January-3rd-2006, 02:08 AM
While Daniels has drastically improved his level of play, I have always winced when Williams brings a linebacker blitz. It leaves receivers downfield to make large plays. Why does he do this? He desperately needs a consistent, threatening pass rusher. DE has been a legendary position over the years, Charles Mann and Dexter Manley springing to mind off-hand. Let's keep the tradition alive.
36SKINS56
January-3rd-2006, 02:34 AM
We need to make a decision on Wynn...his contract is up after this season
e16bball
January-3rd-2006, 02:49 AM
I'm with you, in that I want a DE that can bring some heat off the edge, but he has to be the right sort of player. People clamoring for a Robert Mathis or a John Abraham need to understand that those players do not fit one iota with what GW and GB are trying to do on the DL. The primary responsibilty of the DL is to stop the run, according to GB, and undersized and "selfish" DEs who line up super-wide to rush the passer every down are detrimental to that end.
Players like Aaron Kampman and Darren Howard should be on our radar. Established players with decent size and strength. Kampman brings a huge motor, and Howard brings a lot of talent. Those should our targets in FA, IMO.
ImmortalDragon
January-3rd-2006, 02:59 AM
I believe Gregg is waiting for that great DE, lets not forget that star DEs don't come around as often as LBs.
DCsportsfan53
January-3rd-2006, 03:20 AM
I think that what these last 5 games has shown us is that its not as pressing a need as it seemed. Our starters are capable of doing things. But the problem with Daniels Wynn and even Salvea is that they are really nothing without Griffin. Our line shouldn't be so one dimensional. You saw the games, Griffin goes down, suddenly people are calling for Williams's pink slip. We need more impact players on the line who can possibly change a game. Griffin does a nice job at it, but the game is won and lost on the line so we need to make sure we're ready to win that battle.
Absolutely. Daniels and Wynn have played well recently but only agianst teams with poor/banged up offensive lines. Speaking of which, they looked awfully pedestrian again for most of the game against the Eagles. Considering that they didn't even pretend to want to run and their O-line injuries that is a little distressing. I would say the Bucs O-line is one we should match up well against (with Griffin this time around) as they are pretty mediocre but Gruden has been going all out Gibbs style with his playcalling lately. They use a lot of I-form twin TE 1 reciever sets with Alstott and the TE's helping in protection. The problem with that is they probably will be able to pick up our blitzes pretty consistently and it makes it much harder to guess pass or run. Just like we do with Moss, they try to set up Galloway by forcing extra men in the box with their big sets and then throw out of them when they get a good match up. It should be a good one, these are 2 really similar teams. I would say we have a stronger O-line and RB than them but they have a better D-line than us. Everything else is damn near equal. The big difference this time around, though, is that Sean Taylor will be back there to keep those deep balls from being completed. I expect Taylor to play a lot of deep coverage and for our D to blitz less overall due to a combination of their max protect schemes and our injuries at CB.
playoffsplz
January-3rd-2006, 03:33 AM
No Question
Im sorry but Wynn has got to go...i like the guy but he is getting up there in age and we need somebody that can drawl attention to his side. Our line would be devastating in my opinion
grassyglen
January-3rd-2006, 05:33 AM
I heard yesterday that Reggie Wayne will be available at the end of the year and Indy doesn't have the money to keep him.
Hmmmm....Moss and Wayne. Nice.
MartinC
January-3rd-2006, 06:40 AM
Why cant lavar play at DE, he is fast enuff, and would allow him to do his thing against the run as well.
LaVar weighs in at just over 250 - he would get run all over as a 1st and 2nd down DE up agianst 320 lb tackles. He could (should) play as DE in passing situations though. Still don't understand why he comes out on 3rd downs - but what do I know.
We do need a DE who can get pressure but you have to understand that in our system the DE is supposed to hold up against the run and take the tackle in passing situations to allow LBs and blitzing DBs to get the sacks - GW does not put a premium on DEs who are pure pass rushers.
If Daniels can play the way he is now all season and we can add a pass rushing end who can come in for Wynn on passing downs we would be good to go.
Forget an Abrhams or Freeney type though - they do not fit our system.
MartinC
January-3rd-2006, 06:45 AM
I expect Taylor to play a lot of deep coverage and for our D to blitz less overall due to a combination of their max protect schemes and our injuries at CB.[/QUOTE]
Good analysis but I disagree with you on the blitz issue. Because we have injuries in the secondary we have to get pressure on Simms, if he can get time he is going to find guys open. We do not get consistent pressure from the DLine so we need to send LB's and DB's.
It is hard to complete passes under a pile of defenders.
If Simms can beat the blitz and make big plays - congratulations. I don't think he can enough to win. We have to play well on offense as well - much better than Sunday to both control the clock and out enough points on the Borad to put more pressure on Simms to try to make plays that are not there and force turnovers.
HTTR
martin
skinsfan51
January-3rd-2006, 07:09 AM
Unless Matt Leinart is still is on the draft board, the early suggestion is the Jets, who have the No. 4 pick, are more interested in a veteran quarterback (Patrick Ramsey and Kerry Collins are free agents) because Chad Pennington's future is murky.
-- Newsday
There are signals that the Jets will seriously consider trading John Abraham to fill multiple needs. Abraham's constant chatter about his interest in a long-term contract was getting old last year.
-- Newsday
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/01/02/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html
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Trade Ramsey for Abraham, groom Jason Campbell to be our #2 behind Mark, who will probably be playing his last season here, and sign a cheap 3rd string vet QB. Wynn is expendable. That will solve our pass rushing problems.
fansince62
January-3rd-2006, 07:36 AM
yes....among other things...would relieve some of the pressure on the DBs to provide: pass coverage, run defense, pass rush. there's a reason these guys keep getting banged up.
IowaSkin
January-3rd-2006, 07:52 AM
I'd be happy with a DE, but I'd also be happy with a Santonio Holmes or a Chad Jackson.
Muzzah
January-3rd-2006, 08:01 AM
yes, we do... Being able to rotate linemen and keeping them fresh could do wonders if we had some good guys to rotate them with.
Prosperity
January-3rd-2006, 08:26 AM
What we need for next year
1 WR to play #2 to Moss
1-2 DLinemen that can pass rush. Daniels has stepped up, but our front 4 have struggled getting *consistent* pass rush.
1 CB for depth and eventual replacement of Springs
1 OL for depth if the back ups we have now can't cut it. (Ray Brown has done well, but it is only a matter of time)
1 OLB if Lavar is gone
We could use a new kicker but it isn't a pressing need
I think we have to draft atleast one DL but seeing as how we will never do that FA will be how we get it if at all.
Burgold
January-3rd-2006, 08:46 AM
We need a DE especially in the draft. Few WR come out strong in their first year. DE's have a better chance to shine. Look at Freeney, Merriman, Kearse, etc. So, if we can get a solid move the chains receiver in free agency (not a superstar just a good complement) and a good potential guy at DE in the second round, I'd be happy.
Thinking Skins
January-3rd-2006, 09:41 AM
Unless Matt Leinart is still is on the draft board, the early suggestion is the Jets, who have the No. 4 pick, are more interested in a veteran quarterback (Patrick Ramsey and Kerry Collins are free agents) because Chad Pennington's future is murky.
-- Newsday
There are signals that the Jets will seriously consider trading John Abraham to fill multiple needs. Abraham's constant chatter about his interest in a long-term contract was getting old last year.
-- Newsday
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/01/02/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html
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Trade Ramsey for Abraham, groom Jason Campbell to be our #2 behind Mark, who will probably be playing his last season here, and sign a cheap 3rd string vet QB. Wynn is expendable. That will solve our pass rushing problems.
I kinda like this idea. Its the best one I've heard so far regarding Ramsey. Trade him for a good DE. Thats a position we could fill pretty well with Ramsey and get some above mediocre YOUNG talent, but he's gotta be somebody whos got a good motor and is coachable. I dont want a "Brett Farve of Defense", and you know who these kind of players are.
Seabee1973
January-3rd-2006, 09:43 AM
Why cant lavar play at DE, he is fast enuff, and would allow him to do his thing against the run as well.
Fast has nothing to do with being a DE Lavar would not be a good full time DE
BrunellSuperbowl
January-3rd-2006, 09:47 AM
we need a second wide out more then a DE. The games they lost this yr they did not score enough points accept vs Tampa because Taylor and Griffinth were out
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