Trade Ramsey for a #1 Pick?

[Frediemac]

The Skins will Pick 54th in Draft (2nd Round) after taking Jason Campbell with the 25th Overall Pick in the 2004 Draft in a trade with Denver. The Broncos got the Skins 22nd Pick in this years Draft. Looking back at the Trade it really looks good for the Skins to Be able to Draft a QB like Campbell and then Groom him behind Brunell and Ramsey for a year instead of trying to Draft a QB with the 22nd Pick this Year. And who's to say we could get a QB with the Promise of Campbell with the 22nd Pick this Year? SO..........

Should the Skins Trade Ramsey for a 1st Rd. Draft Pick? a Defensive End? or Keep him for Insurance like the Giants Game?
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Want to see what other Skins fans Think :point2sky

[RedskinsNation]

I'd say trade him for what you can....dont know if any team will offer up a 1st round pick...i'd say 3rd round may be all you can get.

LaVar would muster up a first round pick though.....

[Punu]

I dont think there's anyway he stays, but I think we can get maybe a 2nd round pick for him.

[fdarugar]

more likely a 2nd or a 3rd.

[greenspandan]

nobody will be interested in giving up a first rounder for Ramsey, no way at all. Third rounder would be the best we can hope for.

[Fred Jones]

I'd say trade him for what you can....dont know if any team will offer up a 1st round pick...i'd say 3rd round may be all you can get.

LaVar would muster up a first round pick though.....


I agree take what you can get. However, I have a feeling that Ramsey will generate a higher pick than Lavar. He is still young, still has lots of potential and is a QB. Teams will still pay for young QB's. Lavar, hopefully, will garner a 3rd round pick. I would love to get a 2nd round pick for him.

[Frediemac]

If the Skins could only get a 3rd Rounder then I would just keep him. He's more valuable to us than that. Here are some teams that mike have interest: Miami might need a QB to get them over the top. Other Destinations could be NY. Jets, Oakland, Cleveland, Baltimore (I know a couple Ravens fans that have said they would trade their #1 for him, St. Louis, Chicago, Arizona, New Orleans (No FA will want to go there). :point2sky

[matt2190]

I'd say trade him for what you can....dont know if any team will offer up a 1st round pick...i'd say 3rd round may be all you can get.

LaVar would muster up a first round pick though.....

You could not get a first round pick for either player. Lavar has been average.

[JHair]

I'd say trade him for what you can....dont know if any team will offer up a 1st round pick...i'd say 3rd round may be all you can get.

LaVar would muster up a first round pick though.....
Yup Ramsey aint worth more than a 3rd, a 2nd at best.

LaVar however is worth a first AND MORE.

If we're gonna trade either, I'd say we need high draft picks and/or a defensive end/wide receiver/cornerback

[dawgjk9]

u could get a 2nd for ramsey...and i still want to keep him, he still has a lot of potential, we may end up needing him one day

[Frediemac]

I'm sure I have more hope then sense in my Thread. :) But Like I said without a #1 or a High 2nd Round then I would just keep him for Insurance. Levar on the other hand is not needed as much. Maybe the Chargers will surrender a 2nd rounder for him.

[cuchip703]

Lavar and Ramsey to Jets for John Abraham and a 2nd rounder

[MRMADD]

There are a couple of backups who could probably draw a first round pick: Schaub and Rivers. But given the limited number of top QB prospects in the draft, Ramsey might be worth more than we think right now.

Other than Leinhart and Young (and maybe Cutler?), I don't see very many can't-miss QB prospects.

[VAsBeachBoy]

i agree that we should accept no less than even a pretty good second rounder for ramsey trust me guys it will work out this way. teams dont wanna gamble on hoping their guy will be there when their second rounder rolls around especially when your talking about a qb.
However we will probably see no trading of lavar for good value. I think hes making a case to keep us from doing just that who knows we'll see. but that whole "im gonna retire" bs aint cutting it with me. I love my boy lavar and i hope to god he wants to take a paycut and stay because i do not want him gone.

[themurf]

more likely a 2nd or a 3rd.

Chris Mortensen basically said the same thing last week - the Redskins should be able to get a 2nd or 3rd for him if they decide to deal him. First round picks don't get thrown around very often anymore.

[Operations]

Didn't Miami give Philly a 1st-rounder for A.J. Feeley? (I may be wrong about that.) Ramsey would draw at least a 2nd. There aren't enough good QBs in the league. Ramsey does have value, and the Skins would be foolish to part with him for anything less than a 2nd rounder. If they can't get that, they should just keep him.

[AJ_Skins]

Brunell is not getting any younger, and can't stay healthy for an entire season. Given how high Gibbs's standards clearly are for quarterback play, does anybody really believe he's going to go into next season betting on Campbell, who hasn't played a down in the NFL? Ramsey is under contract for another year at a reasonable price, his value to the team is significant, and his play has apparently begun to come around to what Gibbs wants. Everyone assumes the team wants to get rid of him. I don't know. I do know it would be incredibly stupid.

Also, nobody is going to trade for Arrington with his salary cap figure. He's not worth what he's being paid, and nobody else is going to pick up the tab. Considering how little they've played him, he seems very likely to be cut June 1.

[The Evil Genius]

Doesn't the draft pick # depend on how far the SKins advance in the playoffs?

If we beat Tampa - wouldn't they pick ahead of us even though we had a one game worse record in the regular season? Or is that only for the 2 superbowl teams?

[Ernie5]

Likely a third and I'd happily take it. A deeeeep draft this year. I'd just as soon as have 3 or 4 picks on the second and third than a first anyway.

[chomerics]

No way you can get a #1 for him, at best you can probably get a 3rd, maybe a 2nd if you are lucky. Hell, Phillip Rivers will be lucky to bring a #1 for the Chargers, and they'll have to package him with other picks to get a 1st.

[TC4]

I would settle for a good 2nd rounder

A 1st rounder is out of the question

[skinzplay]

Regardless of how desperate they might be for a QB, there isn't a single team in the league that will give up a 1st round pick for Patrick. Won't happen. No way, no how.

If he's dealt for picks, we get a 2nd rounder, at best.

[Donita35]

Lavar and Ramsey to Jets for John Abraham and a 2nd rounder

KEEP THEM BOTH! Especially if LA is willing to rework his contract that includes more incentives vs guaranteed money. :cool: Although this proposal would be interesting.

[cactitle]

He is not worth a 1st round pick. Maybe a 3rd at best.

[MartinC]

Nobody is going to give us a no.1 for Pat Ramsey. 3rd round maybe.


Should we trade him - I say yes. He is clearly not going to be the QB for this coaching staff but has shown enough to make you think he CAN be a starting QB in the NFL.

He is in the last year of his contract which means if we do keep him next year he will walk for nothing.

Get what we can - with a year under his belt Campbell should be ready to back up Brunell or we wasted two first round picks.

HTTR

Martin

[skindogger47]

I would be STOKED to get a high third rounder for him. If we got a second rounder, I'll do a backflip off the roof of my house.

[bbuzz1962]

I just want to see Ramsey get into a situation that allows him to play. He had it hard here under Spurrier, and who knows how good this guy would have been if he didn't get thrown to the wolves like he did with Spurrier. I do believe that Jason will be the next QB, and probably when Williams becomes the head coach in 3 years. I would trade him for a wide out possibility, or trade up from current position in the draft.

[Ynot]

Brunell is not getting any younger, and can't stay healthy for an entire season. Given how high Gibbs's standards clearly are for quarterback play, does anybody really believe he's going to go into next season betting on Campbell, who hasn't played a down in the NFL? Ramsey is under contract for another year at a reasonable price, his value to the team is significant, and his play has apparently begun to come around to what Gibbs wants. Everyone assumes the team wants to get rid of him. I don't know. I do know it would be incredibly stupid.

Also, nobody is going to trade for Arrington with his salary cap figure. He's not worth what he's being paid, and nobody else is going to pick up the tab. Considering how little they've played him, he seems very likely to be cut June 1.

I agree 100% and those of you who want to trade Ramsey who will be our #2 next year!!! Campbell is not ready and may not be ready for a couple years he came a non pro style offense and did not really do anything until his Senior year when he had two of the top drafts picks in the drafe behind him!!!! If you bring in a new guy, he will have to learn the Gibbs system and it has taken Brunnell and Ramsey two years to understand it!!!! Plus the new quarterback you bring in if he is any good will cost more against the cap than Ramsey will!

I say keep ramsey and try to sign him to a two or three year extension before or doing the season!!

[SRBFan]

Drew Brees' injury just might escalate Patrick's value, since it might mean San Diego has to hold onto Rivers for insurance purposes. One less young QB on the market will do that, and IMO this is a WEAK draft for QBs. That said, if someone offered me a 2nd rounder for Ramsey and a 2nd rounder for Lavar, I'd pull the trigger. 3 second round picks could easily get us into the bottom of the first round should someone slide we have interest in, and if not, 3 second round picks could really be valuable.

[tizzod]

KEEP THEM BOTH! Especially if LA is willing to rework his contract that includes more incentives vs guaranteed money. :cool: Although this proposal would be interesting.

I believe Lavar has made it clear there will be no negotiating this offseason.

Also, in response to another post, Miami gave Philly a 2nd for Feely. Now that everyone knows what a colossal bonehead move that was, don't expect to see it again any time soon.

[fight_on_til_you_have_won]

I echo the sentiment that I don't think Ramsey will net us a first rounder. I think a late second/early third is more accurate.

[TheShredder]

Lavar is gone. Mr. Redskin better enjoy his only playoff team with the gang.
Lavar can be traded just like Coles/Moss Portis/Bailley deals. I just might get cut though. My gut says if he won't rework his contract, than he is cut June 1.
He would just have to agree to sign a new contract before the trade could be made. I say keep Ramsey, but he will be more valuable on the bench.
We need to free cap space for R.Clark and Snyder needs to hire a real good attorney for S.Taylor!

[SkinFan63]

Maybe a 3rd for Lavar.
Haven't you read his interviews?
He's on the verge of retiring and doing something else.
At least, that's what he said.
I'll probably get flack for this, but I like Ramsey and a year on the bench learning from Brunnel is paying off. It was quite evident when he came off the bench a few weeks back and looked pretty damn good.
The Skins didn't miss a beat and won the game.
The current Ramsey is not the same one from last year.
He could be, just maybe, our QB of the future.

Ok.....blast away!:rolleyes:


Hail!:point2sky

[smittykidindy]

Sounds as if most are convinced Campbell is the answer? I agree that Ramsey should be traded, he deserves the chance to start somewhere. Why not Miami? That's where all former 'Skins QBs end up lately. We should be able to get a decent 2nd rounder for him.

Oh yeah, Vince Young will not make it as a NFL QB unless his throwing motion is changed drastically.

[misery]

we'd be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him

[chaz13]

Didn't Miami give Philly a 1st-rounder for A.J. Feeley? (I may be wrong about that.) Ramsey would draw at least a 2nd. There aren't enough good QBs in the league. Ramsey does have value, and the Skins would be foolish to part with him for anything less than a 2nd rounder. If they can't get that, they should just keep him.

Philly got a second round pick for Feeley. And that was highway robbery.

[bigredone]

Both Ramsey and Lavar will not net any higher than a #2...I think more along the lines of a # 3 for Ramsey......Lavar with the press stuff and Ramsey seems to be unproven of sorts...everyone knows he can throw...but the interception tag is on him and never really won anything in the NFL.....

[bigredone]

Philly got a second round pick for Feeley. And that was highway robbery.

Feely was a # 2

[Awesome]

I think Gibbs will keep Ramsey till the end of 06, when his contract expires.

[CurseReversed]

arrington for merriman :D

[RedskinDan0557]

I don't think Ramsey is going anywhere. He'll get a contract comparable to Brunell. How many more years does Brunell realistically have 2? Doesn't Gibbs like to groom QB's for 3-4 years?

[TheSteve]

Its kind of funny to me that those saying Lavar is washed up and sucks for us now and will never become the player he used to be, want a 1rst round pick and MORE for him.

[318 SKIN]

Both Ramsey and Lavar will not net any higher than a #2...I think more along the lines of a # 3 for Ramsey......Lavar with the press stuff and Ramsey seems to be unproven of sorts...everyone knows he can throw...but the interception tag is on him and never really won anything in the NFL.....

Interception tag - 33tds 29ints with 3 ints coming from hail merrys - He may not be worth a 1st rounder, but please don't use bad data to make your point!

[Prosperity]

It isn't "maybe a third round" it is 3rd round at the very least and 2nd at the most. We aren't giving up Ramsey for a 4th rd draft pick :doh:

[mikeyf316]

With the number and quality of QBs coming out over the next two years, Ramsey may not get a first round nod. I say go fishing with him, but don't be upset when nobody bites the hook.

[Whiskeypeet]

Brunell is not getting any younger, and can't stay healthy for an entire season. Given how high Gibbs's standards clearly are for quarterback play, does anybody really believe he's going to go into next season betting on Campbell, who hasn't played a down in the NFL? Ramsey is under contract for another year at a reasonable price, his value to the team is significant, and his play has apparently begun to come around to what Gibbs wants. Everyone assumes the team wants to get rid of him. I don't know. I do know it would be incredibly stupid.

Also, nobody is going to trade for Arrington with his salary cap figure. He's not worth what he's being paid, and nobody else is going to pick up the tab. Considering how little they've played him, he seems very likely to be cut June 1.


Isn't this place supposed to be lame?

Why are you even still here? It has to be a complete waste of your time.

[rdskns n 05]

If the Skins could only get a 3rd Rounder then I would just keep him. He's more valuable to us than that. Here are some teams that mike have interest: Miami might need a QB to get them over the top. Other Destinations could be NY. Jets, Oakland, Cleveland, Baltimore (I know a couple Ravens fans that have said they would trade their #1 for him, St. Louis, Chicago, Arizona, New Orleans (No FA will want to go there). :point2sky


I agree if we cant get a first then just keep him....I know we wont, but I think our problems can be fixed in free agentcy... :logo: :bucsuck: :bucsuck: :bucsuck: :bucsuck: :bucsuck: :bucsuck: :bucsuck: :bucsuck: :bucsuck: :bucsuck: :bucsuck: :bucsuck: :bucsuck: :bucsuck:

[RedsSKINS_7]

no 1 would take him for a 1st pick

[jauburn]

Keep Ramsey. Trade Lavar.

[MattGeorge85]

Ramsey has got plenty of heart, even though he's not very mobile. I would hate to see him end up like Brad Johnson...remember him?!
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[Redskins4ever]

We won't get a 1st rounder for Patrick Ramsey. More than likely, we'll probably get a 3rd rounder at best. Patrick has potential and he's tough and all that, but he's not what coaches are looking for. He's a back up and probably will glide into a starter position and do well like Drew Brees did.

[MikeB]

LaVar however is worth a first AND MORE.

No way. We'd be lucky to get a first for Lavar... most likely a second. Clubs aren't stupid... they are very leary of him post surgery. Let's face it, he hasn't been the same player since the operation. He lost some quickness. Not only that, but he's got a reputation as a freelancer, and it is widely known that he caused us some problems this year.

The Redskins don't think he is that great, and neither do other clubs.

[Dirk Diggler]

Drew Brees' injury just might escalate Patrick's value, since it might mean San Diego has to hold onto Rivers for insurance purposes. One less young QB on the market will do that, and IMO this is a WEAK draft for QBs. That said, if someone offered me a 2nd rounder for Ramsey and a 2nd rounder for Lavar, I'd pull the trigger. 3 second round picks could easily get us into the bottom of the first round should someone slide we have interest in, and if not, 3 second round picks could really be valuable.

Pay the man!

Drew Brees suffered about the worst injury a QB could possibly suffer. He will not be able to even throw lightly for 5-6 months after surgery. If he rushes his return like Pennington did, he risks reinjury - like Pennington did. In all likelyhood, he will not be ready to start next season.

You can bet the ranch that SD now has to hold onto Rivers this offseason. In a perverse way, the Brees injury was a very good thing for the Redskins should they hope to move Ramsey. I'm not still convinced that they want to do that. But whatever they do - I think it will tell us just exactly how they feel about Campbell. If he's ready to assume backup duties ("1 play away") to Brunell, then I imagine Ramsey will be dealt. If he's not, Ramsey will stay. I don't believe Gibbs would allow the Skins to be one injury away from 7-9 next year.

There will be about 5-7 teams in the market for a QB next season. If you can't land one of the 2 excellent QBs in this draft (Leinart or Cutler) I'd imagine your next best bet is Pat Ramsey now that Rivers is unavailable. My guess is that someone such as the Jets or Raiders will end up forking over a 2nd rounder for Pat should we be so inclined.

[HOOS4SKINS]

Why don't we go after Matt Schaub? I think he is going to be a gem. Even though Campbell might be, I still have my doubts (mainly because I haven't seen much from him),

[spicarde]

Chris Mortensen basically said the same thing last week - the Redskins should be able to get a 2nd or 3rd for him if they decide to deal him. First round picks don't get thrown around very often anymore.

Except by the Redskins

[Cdowwe]

Highly doubt we could get a first rounder for Ramsey. I think a 3rd rounder...unless some team is that desperate to give us a 2nd rounder.

[Peregrine]

Dunno if you can get first for him.

Ill leave that to gibbs to decide.

[FranklinNoble]

Ramsey will be traded for a 2nd rounder, at best. He has 1st round potential, but I don't think he's proven it. We'll sign another modest veteran to be the backup.

[36SKINS56]

we need to keep him

[Rogers22]

Only way we get a 1st rounder is if we combine Ramsey and our second round pick. I doubt that will happen though.

[jayray78]

nobody in their right mind would trade a first pick for a qb who could not keep brunnel on the bench. brunnell is good but so is doug dropkick, maddox, bledsoe, warner, and a host of other guys who have been there and done that. but they have been replaced by the franchise qb. so come on down campbell just as tom, eli,ben and the arizona kid did.:gaintsuck

[Rdskns2000]

Ramsey is gone but no team will give us more than a 3rd rounder for him.

[e16bball]

The only package deal I would consider making with Ramsey and LaVar is with the Cardinals and it involves Anquan Boldin.

Ramsey and LaVar for Boldin and a 3rd and they've got themselves a deal. Quite frankly, I'd consider doing those two just for Boldin, but I think we need a little compensation in the way of a pick.