Vince Young would have a broken leg by week 3 in the NFL!

[smartestmaninamerica]

It was fun watching Vince Young run over all those little boys on USC. If he tried running that much in the NFL he would have a broken (something) by week 3.

There is a reason QB's take the slide in the NFL. It's friggin dangerous out there! Young seems to have the speed and maneuverability of a M. Vick, and he is bigger and a far better passer so I think he will do well, but he is going to have to learn to make the run a second option rather than a first or he is gonna get his bell rung bigtime.

Never-the-less he is sure to be a serious weapon on offense. After this game, I am betting he would be drafted ahead of Bush if he chose to come out early.

Bush may have cost himself the #1 pick with that bone-headed lateral play. Lienhart looked very Joe Montana-ish as usual.

If it were up to me, I would pick him first, then Young, the Bush.

Bush is a great runner but Texas speed shut him down going around the corner. Players are 40% faster in the NFL.

[codeorama]

#1. Bush is only going to be as good as the team that drafts him.
#2. Same for Leinardt.
#3. Young needs to improve his throwing before he will be a real NFL Qb.

[pez]

NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT SACKS RAT

Vince Young, Texas 212 325 3036 65.2 9.3 26 10 13 163.95

Matt Leinart, USC 283 431 3815 65.7 8.9 28 8 17 157.74

[ntotoro]

#1. Bush is only going to be as good as the team that drafts him.
#2. Same for Leinardt.
#3. Young needs to improve his throwing before he will be a real NFL Qb.

I agree with this post.

[Destino]

Vince Young looks like he is going to be everything Vick was supposed to be in the NFL. An amazing athlete that can actually be a QB. Those claiming he can't throw need to explain the mans stats.

65% 3000+ 26TD

Vick never did that. Vick never came close to that. The team that doesn't draft Young first is going to look stupid years later.

[Thiebear]

Just to talk about your statement.

Vince Young is bigger and heavier than Vick...
Vince Young makes passes Vick has in only 1 game this year.
It was 11 USC vs. Young.. how many people tackled him?

[KDawg]

Maybe he will have to get down in the pros, but who's to say he won't? He was playing in a college game last night, so why would he change the way he played? He played great and the Longhorns won, alot in thanks to him. Vince seems like an extremely smart guy, and his coaches will tell him he can't run like that in the NFL and he needs to get down.

Reggie Bush didn't cost himself anything with that lateral. It was one mistake, and one in a national championship game where he was trying to make a play. A big mistake? Yeah. But it's something he won't go doing again. And let's not forget, he's still young, he's going to make bonehead mistakes from time to time.

[Aluadan]

Just to talk about your statement.

Vince Young is bigger and heavier than Vick...
Vince Young makes passes Vick has in only 1 game this year.
It was 11 USC vs. Young.. how many people tackled him?
Vince Young is not bigger, he's pretty skinny for his height and yes, if he tries to run against teams in the NFL like that he will get injured in a hurry. His throwing mechanics need a whole lot of work as well before he's goin anywhere.

Btw, USC has a pretty bad defense, would like see him try that against the Skins D in a game. I have a feeling it would be pretty fun to watch.

[Mufumonk]

I think Leinhart has more potential to be a bust than any other top rated QB coming out in the last few years. I'd take Young over him in a heartbeat.

[Thiebear]

Vince Young is not bigger, he's pretty skinny for his height and yes, if he tries to run against teams in the NFL like that he will get injured in a hurry. His throwing mechanics need a whole lot of work as well before he's goin anywhere.

Btw, USC has a pretty bad defense, would like see him try that against the Skins D in a game. I have a feeling it would be pretty fun to watch.


WHAT?

Vince Young 6 5 233
Michael Vick 6 0 210

So dont mind me if i don't agree with the rest of your statements either.

[Aluadan]

Note the 5 inch difference and only 15 lbs, he should be a lot heavier for his height than what he is, especially if he tries to run as much as he does.

[mistymjohnson]

Vince Young is a COLLEGE player... and a great one at that. Those who compare him to players in the NFL do so in ignorance. That is like comparing apples to oranges. You just can't do it. IF (and that is a big if considering VINCE wants to stay in school) he decides it is time... don't you think he will adapt as so many before him have done? I mean come on... Don't most of our great players get better with experience??? (The difference between a seasoned player and a rookie)

IMHO, I believe Vince is a smart man by wanting to stay in school. Get your education first and foremost... Utilize the time to work on your game... Now that you know you have what it takes and everyone else knows it too... You can push yourself harder to prepare for his inevitable future (with Washington) *Smirks*


:2cents: Misty :2cents:
My four cents - Inflation

[Aluadan]

Btw, Young is 6'5" 230 (more like 225)
Vick 6'0" 215

[Thiebear]

Btw, Young is 6'5" 230 (more like 225)
Vick 6'0" 215


:rolleyes:
o.k. I only went by ESPN stats... and if you want to nitpick it.
That still qualifies as
Bigger
and weighs more...

I was just refuting obviously wrong information and my opinion on his style vs. Vicks is just that...

[codeorama]

I wouldn't take Young or Leinhardt. Both are going to be big busts.
Remember, Young is doing what MANY college QB's do. The NFL is different. His passing mechanics are awful. That ain't going to fly.

[Shallow1]

It was fun watching Vince Young run over all those little boys on USC. If he tried running that much in the NFL he would have a broken (something) by week 3.

There is a reason QB's take the slide in the NFL. It's friggin dangerous out there! Young seems to have the speed and maneuverability of a M. Vick, and he is bigger and a far better passer so I think he will do well, but he is going to have to learn to make the run a second option rather than a first or he is gonna get his bell rung bigtime.

Never-the-less he is sure to be a serious weapon on offense. After this game, I am betting he would be drafted ahead of Bush if he chose to come out early.

Bush may have cost himself the #1 pick with that bone-headed lateral play. Lienhart looked very Joe Montana-ish as usual.

If it were up to me, I would pick him first, then Young, the Bush.

Bush is a great runner but Texas speed shut him down going around the corner. Players are 40% faster in the NFL.


Yes Vince will have to learn to be a better passer in the NFL and not rely on his legs som much, (see Randal Cunnigham) DUH....every QB going from college to the pros has to learn to become a better passer.

Now as far a Lienhart looking "montanaish" you may be right there not a very strong arm,surrounded by some of the best offensive weapons in college,and has a great offensive line, a great 1-2 punch at RB and thats about where the list ends.....if this were a "Pro" game as you say with VY then Lienhart would have been Picked off about 5 times and had about 4-6 coverage sacks. Montana was much more mobile than Lienhart, did you see him try an scramble,hehe.....and he seems to lose his composure a bit under pressure a bit of a cry baby. He also shows great leadership skills by cutting on his defense after the game.

Lienhart=Tim Couch he had better hope he gets drafted by a team with some talent and an O-line or he will not have time to become a very average Pro QB..

[Destino]

I wouldn't take Young or Leinhardt. Both are going to be big busts.
Remember, Young is doing what MANY college QB's do. The NFL is different. His passing mechanics are awful. That ain't going to fly.
How MANY college QB's finished with more 3000+yards 65cmp% 26TD passing AND 1000+yards 12TD rushing?

That can't be common.

[The Evil Genius]

You guys are nuts.

Leinart is a Carson Palmer clone. He is going to be a stud in the NFL.

[Shallow1]

You guys are nuts.

Leinart is a Carson Palmer clone. He is going to be a stud in the NFL.

He has nowhere near the arm streng or mobility of Palmer(65 yard toss on one knee), he can become an efficient Pro but he will need help, his upside is nowhere near VY and he is not a one man show. Thats why he will need a good line around him with a run game, if he does not get that he can easily be a bust. It took Palmer 3 years with a solid coach and a building franchise, Lienhart will only be so lucky to find that where he could be drafted. Im not saying he could not be a pro QB, I dont see him being a perenial Pro bowler, but average yes as long as he gets in the right situation..........

Remeber...any QB taken in the 1st round of a pro draft was a "stud" in college but the pros are a different game (see Tom Brady) as a former Div-1 player I am just calling it how I see it with Lienhart.

[The Evil Genius]

Leinart has a lot of things going for him though.

He runs a pro-style offense that is allegedly more complex than what a lot of teams in the Pro's run. He also can throw the ball accurately on rollouts - a key to being a solid if not stud NFL QB.

Vince Young will not last the season if he plays like he did in college. Moreover, Young is going to have to change his throwing motion or he is going to have a lot of tipped passes (even though he is 6'5"). Sidearm QB's are rarely sucessful in the modern NFL (I can only think of one - Doug Flutie - as being a sucessful QB).

I like Young - he reminds me a lot of McNabb in that he kills you running if you take away the routes. If Young is very selective of when he runs - he will be a stud too in the NFL.

I just think that Leinart will be more sucessful. He is already pro QB ready.

Just my .02

[smartestmaninamerica]

Lienhart just reminds me so much of Joe Montana in his touch and vision of the field. I think he is going to be HUGE in the NFL.

[The Evil Genius]

As for arm strength - you do know that's what kept Brady from being drafted higher - his arm strength was suspect.

:rolleyes:

[smartestmaninamerica]

You guys are aware that the NFL is DYING for good quarterbacks, right? I think VY will come out. He accomplished what he wanted to and a guy that runs like he does is just begging for a career-ending injury if he stays in college next year. Why not lock up the multi-million dollar contract and endorsement deals now?

I would not be suprised if it goes VY #1, RB #2 and Lienhart #3.

[smartestmaninamerica]

If Brady and Montana had a baby - Leinart

[rebornempowered]

You guys are aware that the NFL is DYING for good quarterbacks, right? I think VY will come out. He accomplished what he wanted to and a guy that runs like he does is just begging for a career-ending injury if he stays in college next year. Why not lock up the multi-million dollar contract and endorsement deals now?

I would not be suprised if it goes VY #1, RB #2 and Lienhart #3.

I know if it was me I would cash out unless I had some insurance on me like they did with Manning.

[Charlie Murphaaay]

I think Leinhart has more potential to be a bust than any other top rated QB coming out in the last few years. I'd take Young over him in a heartbeat.

You've got that right buddy. In a heartbeat.

[Hooper]

Bernie Kosar had a horrible throwing motion and he turned out to be great NFL qb. Phillip Rivers and David Carr throw sidearm and both were top five picks -- and neither have the freakish athletic ability of Young.

Leinart is a big question mark. He could be great with the right team. He actually reminds me of Brunell in a crazy way. Loves rolling out to his left, is very poised, has great touch, etc...

[TC4]

No one else is talking about this so I guess I will

One guy who played last night who will be a stud in the NFL is LenDale White

Could you see a RB like White in a Joe Gibbs offense?

It would be incredible, not that it will ever happen

[nickfox45]

i cant believe everyone who keeps making it seem like the NFL is a battlezone where death and mayhem await anyone who doesnt weigh 240+ lbs, and i can't believe all the people who are making it seem like players in the NFL are all amazing tacklers. where do you think all those NFL players came from? every year there are several terrific defensive players that come into the NFL, and these guys were also beasts in college, and college QB's had to deal with them. USC's defense is no NFL defense, but they have several(at least one that i know of, and im assuming more) All-Americans.

obviously guys are bigger and stronger in the NFL, the 'men vs. boys' analogy everyone tosses out. that really all comes down to bulking up and adding weight, but the skill of tackling is much the same. texas won that game last night partially because they were able to tackle well, both individually and as a group. they tackled better than some of the NFL team's ive watched this season. they also played good defense in the secondary, and laid hits on people when they got the chance. too often in the NFL i see players go for the tackle that'll decleat the ball-carrier and not the tackle that'll bring him down. i think vince young will be able to make these guys miss just like he's making guys miss now. he won't embarass them nearly as much, and when he doesn't make a guy miss he'll definitely get rocked, but i think his precense and poise will see him through, along with those legs, of course.

[KDawg]

If Brady and Montana had a baby - Leinart

Uhhh. Wow. No. Leinart is no where near as good as Montana and doesn't make the smart decisions with the ball like Brady. Not a chance. He may be alright, but he's not gonna be anything like either of them.

You're comparing 6 Super Bowl rings to a man who hasn't even taken a snap yet.

[twa]

No one else is talking about this so I guess I will

One guy who played last night who will be a stud in the NFL is LenDale White

Could you see a RB like White in a Joe Gibbs offense?

It would be incredible, not that it will ever happen

I was impressed with the kid,much more so than Bush after the hype :rolleyes:

[STaylorLayintheWOOD]

reggie bush will be 10 times the player lendale is in the nfl. i think lendale will be solid but reggie bush is a star in the making. he can do it all, hes got speed, power, vision, and probably the best hands and route running in the entire draft. its not his fault that pete carroll didnt give him enough touches last night i mean he ws averaging more yards per carry than lendale and caught 6 passes for 95 yards. yeah he might not have had his usual numbers but the man still was electric with the touches he did get. 277 total yards by a running back was not to shabby last time i checked.

[smartestmaninamerica]

Face it guys, Texas didn't win that game, USC lost it. It should have been 21 - 0 by the end of the first quarter. USC just kept blowing it:

1. That insane Bush lateral.
2. Going for it with a QB sneak on 4th and 1 on the 15! (Pitch that to Bush and it is an easy first down)
3. Pulling Bush out of the game on 4th and 1 at the end of the game? Again, pitch to Bush around the outside with the box stacked and game over. (That's worse than Oakland sidelining Moss in the goal-line stand againts the Giants.)
4. Burning your last timeout on the 2 point conversion just because you have 12 men on the field when you have only 18 seconds left! - doh! Take the penalty dammit!
5. An incredibly dumb and needless facemask penalty when you have Texas stopped on 3rd down?
6. Not having at least one spy to go after Young wherever he goes in case he tries to run at the end.
7. I could go on and on.

USC is the superior team. They gave that one away.

If these two teams played 4 games, USC would win 3.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

I wouldn't take Young or Leinhardt. Both are going to be big busts.
Remember, Young is doing what MANY college QB's do. The NFL is different. His passing mechanics are awful. That ain't going to fly.

You apparently didn't watch Bernie Kosar throw the ball, huh?

[KDawg]

Face it guys, Texas didn't win that game, USC lost it. It should have been 21 - 0 by the end of the first quarter. USC just kept blowing it:

1. That insane Bush lateral.
2. Going for it with a QB sneak on 4th and 1 on the 15! (Pitch that to Bush and it is an easy first down)
3. Pulling Bush out of the game on 4th and 1 at the end of the game? Again, pitch to Bush around the outside with the box stacked and game over. (That's worse than Oakland sidelining Moss in the goal-line stand againts the Giants.)
4. Burning your last timeout on the 2 point conversion just because you have 12 men on the field when you have only 18 seconds left! - doh! Take the penalty dammit!
5. An incredibly dumb and needless facemask penalty when you have Texas stopped on 3rd down?
6. Not having at least one spy to go after Young wherever he goes in case he tries to run at the end.
7. I could go on and on.

USC is the superior team. They gave that one away.

If these two teams played 4 games, USC would win 3.

Doesn't change the fact that they played once and USC lost once, does it?

[codeorama]

You apparently didn't watch Bernie Kosar throw the ball, huh?

Kosar was at least accurate. But he really wasn't a star, he was a "game manager" before that became the flavor of the month.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Kosar was at least accurate. But he really wasn't a star, he was a "game manager" before that became the flavor of the month.

Vince Young became accurate this year on short/intermediate stuff.

Not sure exactly what you mean.

And Kosar may not have been a star but it's because his physical talent wasn't so high. He was a smart and accurate player (60 plus completion pct when 60 plus was not done regularly in the 80s.)

Basically, he MADE It in the NFL as a decent pro. Thus, the argument about mechanics falls a little flat.

[codeorama]

Vince Young became accurate this year on short/intermediate stuff.

Not sure exactly what you mean.

And Kosar may not have been a star but it's because his physical talent wasn't so high. He was a smart and accurate player (60 plus completion pct when 60 plus was not done regularly in the 80s.)

Basically, he MADE It in the NFL as a decent pro. Thus, the argument about mechanics falls a little flat.

I'm not saying Young won't make it "just" because of his mechanics. I think it's a part of the overall story.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Vince Young is a rich man's Michael Vick.

[prophet]

#1. Bush is only going to be as good as the team that drafts him.
#2. Same for Leinardt.
#3. Young needs to improve his throwing before he will be a real NFL Qb.

the world has stoped...
i agree with code here.

the other back is better than bush...
bush will be a warrick dunn type back... good, but not the dominate runner.

the nfl defenses will stack the line against leinardt until he can beat them deep. He does not have a cannon. He can make it in the NFL, but it will have to be the right type of system.

Young is a "great" college qb. What makes vinces passing game really good in college... is the fact that he will just take off. This causes everyone to play safe, and wr's run free in college when that happens. Young threw some passes that would have been turned into a quick 6 in the NFL. I don't think he has the arm to play qb in the NFL. I think he runs more than vick did in college, but he is not quite as fast... but since he runs more it makes his college game more effective than vicks. But, and I can't believe i'm saying this... Vick actally throws better than young, and that is not saying much.
another prediction
within 3 years Vick will not be the qb of atlanta.

[mistymjohnson]

If these two teams played 4 games, USC would win 3.

Perhaps, but last night was the one game that they didn't win... and that was the one that counted.

[Dat Dude88]

It was fun watching Vince Young run over all those little boys on USC. If he tried running that much in the NFL he would have a broken (something) by week 3.

There is a reason QB's take the slide in the NFL. It's friggin dangerous out there! Young seems to have the speed and maneuverability of a M. Vick, and he is bigger and a far better passer so I think he will do well, but he is going to have to learn to make the run a second option rather than a first or he is gonna get his bell rung bigtime.

Never-the-less he is sure to be a serious weapon on offense. After this game, I am betting he would be drafted ahead of Bush if he chose to come out early.

Bush may have cost himself the #1 pick with that bone-headed lateral play. Lienhart looked very Joe Montana-ish as usual.

If it were up to me, I would pick him first, then Young, the Bush.

Bush is a great runner but Texas speed shut him down going around the corner. Players are 40% faster in the NFL.
Vick is reckless, Young is not. You have never seen a face as calm as that at the college level in a high pressure game w/ massive opportunity to blow it.

The "legs" of QB's are oft looked at as a supplement to a weak or bad arm. His arm is deadly but needs the same honing NFL coaching will provide. He changes the dynamic of the game @ the wierdest times. He's patient & does not flush out of the pocket easily like Vick.

At the college level the only QB's you see sliding are those that aren't used to running! A great many are taking hits & hitting back. Don't lump him in with Vick... Vick wants to win every game with Vick (like Iverson). Young get's alot of people involved in his efforts.

I know you weren't slamming Young...just seemed like a little hate towards his gameplay. The game is changing, as well as the size of positions ex; there are quite a few RB's in the 6ft. 1 & 6ft 2 range. in the NFL & college.

[Dan T.]

If Brady and Montana had a baby - Leinart


Who has the uterus, Tom or Joe?

[prophet]

If brady and montana had a baby.... i'm thinking it be Ryan Leaf..

:laugh: