Chalk One Up for Dan Snyder

[bulldog]

a lot of early personnel moves came into question when he bought the team, but one where in retrospect he had good instincts: Santana Moss.

At #15 in 2001, he favored drafting Moss but Schottenheimer overruled him and instead chose Rod Gardner because of his size.

Snyder favored him because of his downfield speed and playmaking ability.

Marty didn't think he would be durable enough to play consistently in the NFL on the outside at 190.

[FootballGuy2677]

Yes, but im happy we didnt draft Santana cuase who knows what kind of crap would have happened to him during 2001-2003 seasons. He could of been a bust truthfully.

[Jimbo]

Santana would have done well in Spurrier's Fun & Gun I think, providing Ramsey had the time to throw to him.

[OVCChairman]

providing Ramsey had the time to throw to him.


that's all you have to remember

[shallyshal]

a lot of early personnel moves came into question when he bought the team, but one where in retrospect he had good instincts: Santana Moss.

At #15 in 2001, he favored drafting Moss but Schottenheimer overruled him and instead chose Rod Gardner because of his size.

Snyder favored him because of his downfield speed and playmaking ability.

Marty didn't think he would be durable enough to play consistently in the NFL on the outside at 190.


yup. he was right. it must feel good...

[Bhutanibeast]

Yea but he was wrong firing Schottenheimer after one season.

[Die Hard]

Yea but he was wrong firing Schottenheimer after one season.

Why was he wrong? You need to elaborate.

[TK]

Yea but he was wrong firing Schottenheimer after one season.
That's twice (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2207401#post2207401).

Care to elaborate on that or do you prefer to stick to drive-by pot shots?

[kwitt]

I give Snyder credit, but let's not encourage him. If he gets in his head that he is a GM then we are going back down the tubes after Gibbs leaves.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes, but im happy we didnt draft Santana cuase who knows what kind of crap would have happened to him during 2001-2003 seasons. He could of been a bust truthfully.

thats why taylor jacobs in my opinion could come good this season. now he is under a different offensive coordinator, he has a chance to turn over a new leaf...a chance to get back in the team, and hopefully saunders can bring out the best in him.

[dpass]

I'm glad we didn't draft Moss back then. If we would have then he would probably not be in DC now. He played in the league a couple years for the jets and now hes with us and hes a probowler now. As for firing shott after one year it was a o.k move but hiring spurrier was NOT a good move. His offense will never work in the NFL.

[HugePortisFanGuy]

I think Snyder deserves more props that he gets in general anyways. There are certainly times when I've disagreed with some of his moves but all he cares about is winning and he'll gladly break the bank to do it.

[ShoreSkins]

I have no problem whatsoever with Dan Snyder. He has proven that he really, really wants to win. He has also proven that he'll do whatever it takes to improve the team. He had some learning to do when he first assumed control, but he hasn't lacked for effort. Joe Gibbs doesn't need the money, but he came back to work for Dan. If he's good enough for Joe Gibbs to come back for, thats says a lot. Go get em Dan!! Hail!

[cadets08]

If the redskins make it to the NFC championship game a couple of times and win at least one super bowl in the next 5 years, then I will chalk it up for Danny boy.

[MattGeorge85]

It is my opinion that since Dan Snyder has owned the team he has attempted to win, without much knowlege on how the league operates. Now I won't even act like I would be any better necessarily if I bought the Redskins and was trying to wing it. As foolish as some of his decsions may have seemed (and plenty were), he has stayed committed to having a winning team. No business man has had any success by throwing money away. Personnel decisions have been poor in the past, but thing have been vastly improved within the last couple of years (obvious). I think we all know (some believe more than others) that this time he's going to put together something that works.

[ImmortalDragon]

Snyder has been a failure (financial-wise aside, before everyone throws 800 sources at me) until Gibbs came back. Gibbs will, if he hasn't already, set him straight.

[SkinFan63]

a lot of early personnel moves came into question when he bought the team, but one where in retrospect he had good instincts: Santana Moss.

At #15 in 2001, he favored drafting Moss but Schottenheimer overruled him and instead chose Rod Gardner because of his size.

Snyder favored him because of his downfield speed and playmaking ability.

Marty didn't think he would be durable enough to play consistently in the NFL on the outside at 190.


Marty was an ass!
Marty wasn't durable enough to coach consistantly in the NFL while at the helm of our team.
We now have Moss anyway and Marty can eat his shorts!

Hail!:point2sky

[TK]

Snyder has been a failure (financial-wise aside, before everyone throws 800 sources at me) until Gibbs came back.
Wrong. We were one botched snap away from the NFC Title Game under Snyder's ownership.

Gibbs will, if he hasn't already, set him straight.
Maybe one of these is more your speed www.casualskins.com (http://www.casualskins.com) or www.bandwagonskins.com (http://www.bandwagonskins.com).

[ImmortalDragon]

Wrong. We were one botched snap away from the NFC Title Game under Snyder's ownership.

Maybe one of these is more your speed www.casualskins.com (http://www.casualskins.com) or www.bandwagonskins.com (http://www.bandwagonskins.com).
What are you trying to get at here? That you don't like other people's opinions? If you didn't catch, or just don't want to, I believe that Snyder has done a poor job in the past, and I'm sure, with Gibbs's help, he will become a very good owner.

[TK]

What are you trying to get at here? That you don't like other people's opinions? If you didn't catch, or just don't want to, I believe that Snyder has done a poor job in the past, and I'm sure, with Gibbs's help, he will become a very good owner.
What I am getting at is that you need to elaborate on your statement. By simply repeating the mantra of the talking heads, you come sounding like either a casual or bandwagon fan.

[ImmortalDragon]

What I am getting at is that you need to elaborate on your statement. By simply repeating the mantra of the talking heads, you come sounding like either a casual or bandwagon fan.
I think "lazy" fan fits best.

[kevinklein]

Santana would have done well in Spurrier's Fun & Gun I think, providing Ramsey had the time to throw to him.

Fat chance!

[ShoreSkins]

What are you trying to get at here? That you don't like other people's opinions? If you didn't catch, or just don't want to, I believe that Snyder has done a poor job in the past, and I'm sure, with Gibbs's help, he will become a very good owner.

Snyder has done a poor job? Snyder has done everything he can to win. He will spend whatever it takes.

[Art]

Snyder has been a failure (financial-wise aside, before everyone throws 800 sources at me) until Gibbs came back. Gibbs will, if he hasn't already, set him straight.

No, Snyder has not been a failure until Gibbs came back. Snyder has done the same things before and after Gibbs came back that make him a highly successful owner. He provides his people what they tell him they need to be successful. He hires the best people available, ALL the time. He did this with Marty and Spurrier and it just didn't work out. The failure wasn't Snyder's. The failure was Marty's and Spurrier's, who were given what they wanted, including the ability to CUT a Pro Bowler and highly valuable guy for wearing a cap to a meeting as Marty did with Centers, only to see those guys prove incapable of winning with the teams they had and wanted.

[Capt Rich Fla]

Yes, but im happy we didnt draft Santana cuase who knows what kind of crap would have happened to him during 2001-2003 seasons. He could of been a bust truthfully.Exactly! Thank you. Most of the players from that time are still in psyc. therapy.

[>>Spearhead>>]

Snyder has done a poor job? Snyder has done everything he can to win. He will spend whatever it takes.

It takes more than spending to win, and if you have ever been to a home game you know whose money he is spending.
He has made plenty of mistakes and has owned up to most of them. Lets just bury the hatchet between the Snyder suckers and the Snyder bashers and say he is on the right track now and be done with it. :2cents:

[pjmjr123]

So Danny Boy got one right. Next.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Wrong. We were one botched snap away from the NFC Title Game under Snyder's ownership.

Maybe one of these is more your speed www.casualskins.com (http://www.casualskins.com/) or www.bandwagonskins.com. (http://www.bandwagonskins.com.)

We are now giving Snyder credit for '99? Snyder barely knew where his office was before that season started.

[Chief skin]

Snyder should just sign the checks and Vinny should valet park cars at Redskin park. They proved they know nothing about personnell. He did lure Gibbs back I give him credit for that and for not meddling. He has allowed Gibbs to bring in top coaches which is a huge step toward consistency. Now let the coaches select the players they need and let them coach. We can win if the football people are allowed to do their jobs without interference form the front office.

[Butz65]

My take on Snyder is that he started his reign like one of us (fans) would. He went for the big win as quickly as possible. He grabbed players that were somewhat past their prime (picking up Jeff George to replace Brad Johnson for instance), reacted emotionally in dealing with head coaches (fires Norv while we still have a shot at the playoffs, dumps Marty after an impressive turnaround in his first season, makes Spurrier the highest paid Head Coach with no NFL experience). I give him credit - his heart was in the right place. His biggest move was realizing that he needed to stop acting like a fan and bring in others to handle the football operations (although I don't understand why Vinny Ceratto is still here). I like him as an owner and would love to see him holding a Lombardi (soon).

[Warhead36]

It would be so awesome to see Snyder hold the Lombardi up and have all of the well known jackass sports "analysts" be forced to kiss his ass. :laugh:

I think Snyder has been a good Owner. He wants to win and will do anything possible. His approach was all wrong his first few years, but since hiring Gibbs he's been nothing but positive.

Not to mention his donating all that money(what was it $50,000?)to the Pop Warner team so they could play for the Natl Title and lending Robert Royal his own plane Redskins One to pick up family from New Orleans after Katrina was very classy.

Snyder is a top 10 if not top 5 Owner in the NFL. 'Course, the rest of the nation still thinks hes a meddlesome prick. Their loss. ;)

[twenty-eight]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhutanibeast
Yea but he was wrong firing Schottenheimer after one season.




That's twice (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2207401#post2207401).

Care to elaborate on that or do you prefer to stick to drive-by pot shots?


thats in your face Bhutanibeast! That kid has no idea what he is talking about. The players you want, just might be the top seven players available players in FA. Go back to playing your franchise mode in madden:security:

[ouvan59]

Snyder should just sign the checks and Vinny should valet park cars at Redskin park. They proved they know nothing about personnell. He did lure Gibbs back I give him credit for that and for not meddling. He has allowed Gibbs to bring in top coaches which is a huge step toward consistency. Now let the coaches select the players they need and let them coach. We can win if the football people are allowed to do their jobs without interference form the front office.

And how exactly did they prove they "know nothing about personnel"?

I think Snyder completely underestimated the need for chemistry in the locker room with his 2000 fantasy football offseason but he seems to have learned since then. With a stronger coach it actually may have worked. The mistakes he made IMO was allowing Spurrier to make personnel decisions even though he, in retrospect, had no desire to work hard at it.

The firing of Marty had nothing to do with his coaching but the fact that he refused to let Snyder know what was going on. Some owners may be okay with that but many are not. There are rumors that Marty is in hot water again because he is doing the same thing in San Diego.

And as for the Skins personnel moves in the last few years they actually have been pretty good. The problem is that whenever a new coach comes in he invariably cleans house and brings in his own players and coaches. More than any other sport, football depends on clubhouse chemistry. Having the same coaching staff together for two years in a row paid huge dividends for this team. It is no coincidence that the team's last playoff appearance in 1999 was the last time that we had the same Defensive Coordinator as the year before.

[ImmortalDragon]

No, Snyder has not been a failure until Gibbs came back. Snyder has done the same things before and after Gibbs came back that make him a highly successful owner. He provides his people what they tell him they need to be successful. He hires the best people available, ALL the time. He did this with Marty and Spurrier and it just didn't work out. The failure wasn't Snyder's. The failure was Marty's and Spurrier's, who were given what they wanted, including the ability to CUT a Pro Bowler and highly valuable guy for wearing a cap to a meeting as Marty did with Centers, only to see those guys prove incapable of winning with the teams they had and wanted.
He made the playoffs once before Gibbs.