Name the top 5 corners in the league.

[painfulyetloyal]

I was checking out the Pro Bowl Thread and had to scoff at all the Champ Bailey haters. Too many of you let your hearts get in the way of your heads, because I sure hope you dont HONESTLY believe that Champ is "overrated". :doh: He's sick, shutdown, period. If he still wore B&G all of your noses would be so far up his *** you'd know what he had for breakfast. Id like to see who you haters would rather have starting at corner for the skins, just for a little comic relief on this slow sunday night.

[Coach Williams]

he is top notch.....but because he has the deion quality ( pick or miss ) he is always a target on this board

[STBonecrusher21]

1. Shawn Springs
2. Carlos Rogers
3. Walt Harris
4. Ade Jimoh
5. Dimitri Patterson
:laugh:

[kevinklein]

I don't have a list...but I agree 100% with you on your Champ Bailey stance.

[praise_gibbs]

1. Shawn Springs
2. Carlos Rogers
3. Walt Harris
4. Ade Jimoh
5. Dimitri Patterson
:laugh:



Dead on post! :notworthy

[NWSkins]

1. Champ Bailey
2. Ronde Barber
3. Nathan Vasher
4. DeAngelo Hall
5. Chris McAlister


5 best corners of all time:

1. Deion- biggest difference maker on D in his era
2. Darrell- so polished and consistent
3. Willie Brown- physical speciman
4. Champ - complete package
5. i'm not old enough to know the oldies, please help...thanks.

[skinthemboys]

1. Shawn Springs
2. Carlos Rogers
3. Walt Harris
4. Ade Jimoh
5. Dimitri Patterson
:laugh:

^^this is my top five^^ Chump who?????

[Renesis]

I can't actually order them, but off the top of my head the list would include Bailey, Springs, Barber, Hall, maybe Harris(Al not Walt)

Edit.....I definately left some out, as I rarely watch AFC games

[truskinsfan18]

1. Shawn Springs
2. Carlos Rogers
3. Walt Harris
4. Ade Jimoh
5. Dimitri Patterson
:laugh:


HAHA what a beast post...this is like post of the week

[Chopper Dave]

1. Nate Clements
2. Champ Bailey
3. Shawn Springs
4. Ronde Barber
5. Sheldon Brown

[cfujskins]

1. Champ Bailey. You take a gamble each time you throw to his side. Has elite speed and is fundamentally sound in tackling and defending the pass.

2. Ronde Barber. Physical corner who plays with heart.

3. Nate Clements. One of the most physical corners in the league.

4. Patrick Surtain. Has the size to match up with the larger receivers and the speed to keep up with the speedy ones. Same could be said about Shawn Springs.

5. Shawn Springs. Same will be said about Springs (see above). Also the fact that he is a supurb tackler. Few tackle better in the open field.

[TheREALJBird]

1. Champ Bailey
2. Ronde Barber
3. Nathan Vasher
4. DeAngelo Hall
5. Chris McAlister


5 best corners of all time:

1. Deion- biggest difference maker on D in his era
2. Darrell- so polished and consistent
3. Willie Brown- physical speciman
4. Champ - complete package
5. i'm not old enough to know the oldies, please help...thanks.

Nice list, I'm not sure if I'd have Vasher in there though...I just don't know who'd I'd put in his place :laugh: ...maybe Marcus Trufant, he's awesome

[pseto]

Champ is best CB in the league. Shanahan raped the Skins in making the trade. I much rather have Champ, Springs, and Smoot than Portis.

[TaylorPickSix]

Ronde
Champ
Surtain (can't believe he got snubbed)
Hall
McAlister

[TheREALJBird]

Champ is best CB in the league. Shanahan raped the Skins in making the trade. I much rather have Champ, Springs, and Smoot than Portis.

I think you're taking that a little far, Portis is easily the most gifted and best RB we've EVER had

[STBonecrusher21]

1. Shawn Springs
2. Carlos Rogers
3. Walt Harris
4. Ade Jimoh
5. Dimitri Patterson
:laugh:

Though you guys would like that, I didn't know who our 5th CB would be, but I remember Pattersons INT to end the 2nd Dallas game so I chose him.

[ciresolstice]

Don't care for the dude..but Champ is an elite corner. The best in the NFL as some of the commentators eluded to at the pro bowl? I don't know. but he's up there.

[jflagg215]

Barber- So consistent and fundamentally sound, no one can hold a candle.
Champ- Does it all but not all the time.
Springs- If you beat him on the route, he will seperate you from the ball.
McAllister- Cornerstone of a great defense.
Winfeild- Just like this guy

[ahudson]

5 best corners of all time:

1. Deion- biggest difference maker on D in his era
2. Darrell- so polished and consistent
3. Willie Brown- physical speciman
4. Champ - complete package
5. i'm not old enough to know the oldies, please help...thanks.

From this time period, you should have included Rod Woodson.

[ahudson]

In no particular order...

McAlister, Bailey, Barber, O'Neal and Springs

[painfulyetloyal]

OK, you guys had me worried for a little while. It just blew my mind to hear people say that Champ doesnt have game. Id like to think that Im rapping with knowledgable fans on EXTREMESKINS. To this day I cant decide who got the better end of the Portis/Bailey trade, I guess that means it was probably a pretty even deal. Both teams got exactly what they wanted out of the trade. If we hadnt picked up Shawn Springs I dont know if Id feel the same though. Good to hear you guys' insight though, thanks. :eaglesuck

[Bhutanibeast]

Champ is best CB in the league. Shanahan raped the Skins in making the trade. I much rather have Champ, Springs, and Smoot than Portis.


YOUR AN IDIOT. Also, if we had champ we wouldnt have signed springs. Your a complete idiot.

[pseto]

I think you're taking that a little far, Portis is easily the most gifted and best RB we've EVER had

I'm not a Portis hater, but I feel that running behind the Redskins O-line, most decent RBs can have the same season that CP had. Just like Shanahan's thoughts that he can plug almost any RB into his system and they'll run for 1300 yards easily. Personally, I just would rather have a shutdown corner than a good RB. Bailey could have shutdown D-Jax in the playoffs and it coulda been the Skins in the Super Bowl. Plus, Tatum Bell turned out to be a pretty damn good RB. If he would have gotten the same number of carries that CP got, he would have gotten the same and/or more yards (plus, he can catch better IMO).

I'm as much of a Skins fan as anybody on this board, but you'll never convince me that the Bailey trade was worth it.

[Peregrine]

Shut down corner, are you kidding? The only reason that has been perpetuated is talking heads are too stupid to think up another phrase. Bailey is the OPPOSITe of a shutdown corner. Hes a hit or miss. He makes the big play, yes, but thats not what a shutdown corner does. A shutdown corner means his guy doesnt catch anything. Bailey gets burned every game, every quarter almost, like the 200+ yards to philly on him. Thats not shutdown, thats big play hit or miss. Get it right. Is he good at making the big play? Yes, but he sucks as a shutdown corner, I know I wouldnt want him on the Redskins. We dont need to give up 60yd TDs every game.

[pseto]

YOUR AN IDIOT. Also, if we had champ we wouldnt have signed springs. Your a complete idiot.

Has CP put up better numbers in Washington? NO, averaged 1500+ yds and 14 TDs in Denver vs 1400 yds and 8 TDs in DC.


Has Champ put up better numbers in Denver? YES, 11 interceptions and 2 TDs in 2 yrs w/ Denver. Averaged less than 4 ints in 5 yrs w/ Redskins (and only 1 TD).

Check the math.

[ejay183]

All I know if that Portis is a Redskins now and Bailey isnt.

[praise_gibbs]

Shut down corner, are you kidding? The only reason that has been perpetuated is talking heads are too stupid to think up another phrase. Bailey is the OPPOSITe of a shutdown corner. Hes a hit or miss. He makes the big play, yes, but thats not what a shutdown corner does. A shutdown corner means his guy doesnt catch anything. Bailey gets burned every game, every quarter almost, like the 200+ yards to philly on him. Thats not shutdown, thats big play hit or miss. Get it right. Is he good at making the big play? Yes, but he sucks as a shutdown corner, I know I wouldnt want him on the Redskins. We dont need to give up 60yd TDs every game.


With Jimoh and Harris we just about get that.. So saying that about Bailey just does not make much sense. Bailey has been burned by S. Moss, T.O, and Jerry Porter that I can think of on the top of my head. When he was in Washington, not too many people scored on him--extremely rare!

Shutdown corner? There is no such thing. Almost beast corner? That would be Bailey and I would not be opposed to having him back in DC though it would almost never happen again and I will not lose any sleep over it.

I will keep Portis and love every second of it.. he is a class-act and to whoever said any back could put up numbers like CP did behind our O-Line is just plain crazy and clearly did not think that post through.. :2cents:

[Chopper Dave]

The problem with the whole Bailey/Portis argument is that it's invalid at the start. We were going to lose Bailey, regardless of what happened. We essentially got CP for a 2nd round pick.

[playoffsplz]

WOW


I would have never guessed that there would be a Champ Bailey thread on this board after the Pro Bowl.

Some of you guys just need to get it over with and become Bronco fans

[praise_gibbs]

All I know if that Portis is a Redskins now and Bailey isnt.


Thats a pretty good assessment! You must have been following the 'Skins to be able to think of that! :laugh:


Honestly though, Ejay you are exactly right! Bailey is in Denver and may have some success and might not, that is just the NFL. Portis is in DC and he fights his guts out there, in the words of Joe Gibbs, every play! How many backs will throw themselves at 350+ linemen to save a sack? How many backs will run up the gut getting smacked around, just averaging 3.8 yards a carry but still getting 1300 yards? Only to back it up with 1500+ yards and a brand new Redskins rushing record? Thats OUR CP and learn to love it because he is what we have and quite frankly, all we need!

[praise_gibbs]

The problem with the whole Bailey/Portis argument is that it's invalid at the start. We were going to lose Bailey, regardless of what happened. We essentially got CP for a 2nd round pick.


Exactly.. Bailey was going to be out regardless! Why would we just get rid of him for nothing? Denver was willing to part with CP and we swapped, end of story.

Clinton Portis has ran for 5,800+ yards with just 4 seasons under his belt so far! What is not to like about the guy? Outside of Larry Johnson, if there is anybody that will break Emmitt Smiths rushing record it will be our boy Portis!

[ChampSkinsFanatic]

Champ Bailey is the best in the league PERIOD. I love Portis but I will always miss Champ Bailey, and hate him at the same time lol

[Die Hard]

If you don't have Nathan Vasher on your list... you aren't a very astute fan of the NFL. He's definitely top 5 right now.

[Chopper Dave]

If you don't have Nathan Vasher on your list... you aren't a very astute fan of the NFL. He's definitely top 5 right now.

People said that about his teammate, Tillman, last season. He was barely above-average this season. The only way Vasher is on the list is if you put other flashes in the pan like Deltha O'Neal on the list.

[TK]

YOUR AN IDIOT. Also, if we had champ we wouldnt have signed springs. Your a complete idiot.
And you are going to stop with the driveby postings & name calling. When you've actually bothered to read & comprehend the rules in place here, PM me.

[Die Hard]

People said that about his teammate, Tillman, last season. He was barely above-average this season. The only way Vasher is on the list is if you put other flashes in the pan like Deltha O'Neal on the list.

Vasher has 13 interceptions in the first 2 seasons of his career. How in the world does that qualify as a flash in the pan?

[Chopper Dave]

Vasher has 13 interceptions in the first 2 seasons of his career. How in the world does that qualify as a flash in the pan?

Because Deltha O'Neal had 11 this season. Because there have been plenty of people that've had a great couple of seasons on paper, but aren't really as top notch as they look. Vasher is top 10. I'll give him that. There are just too many superior corners to consider him top 5 at this point.

[Die Hard]

Because Deltha O'Neal had 11 this season. Because there have been plenty of people that've had a great couple of seasons on paper, but aren't really as top notch as they look. Vasher is top 10. I'll give him that. There are just too many superior corners to consider him top 5 at this point.

It's a shame that you haven't watched enough of Nathan Vasher to think his statistics "look good on paper". Really.

Usually, it takes a few good seasons to "qualify" as a good corner. Which Vasher has. And Vasher has been part of a very strong defense both years.

What's left? Draft status?

[painfulyetloyal]

Shut down corner, are you kidding? The only reason that has been perpetuated is talking heads are too stupid to think up another phrase. Bailey is the OPPOSITe of a shutdown corner. Hes a hit or miss. He makes the big play, yes, but thats not what a shutdown corner does. A shutdown corner means his guy doesnt catch anything. Bailey gets burned every game, every quarter almost, like the 200+ yards to philly on him. Thats not shutdown, thats big play hit or miss. Get it right. Is he good at making the big play? Yes, but he sucks as a shutdown corner, I know I wouldnt want him on the Redskins. We dont need to give up 60yd TDs every game.


Its painfully obvious that you personally dont care for Bailey but unfortunately thats not what this thread is about. Clearly youre biased which has seemingly created a fog in your head. As far as having a bad game, I think everybody has one or two of those once in a while. But saying he gets burned for 60 yard td's every sunday just shows how little you know of the subject, which Im pretty certain can be defined as ignorance. Corners who are consistantly burned are not spoken of as good corners, let alone shutdown corners. You come on here dogging people out for giving Bailey his due props and remarkably failed to name someone who you feel is a better all around corner. Lets see if you can get it right this time.

[MeNoRevs]

What impressed me about Bailey this year is that he showed that he can hold on to the ball when he gets his hands on it. The biggest knock was other then Toomer getting the best of him, was that he dropped interceptions.

I kinda also liked the attitude that he had on the field this year, like the chip on his shoulder. I in my opinion thought it looked like he never showed any enthusiasm or fire when he played. Congrats Champ on a very good year.

[Sebowski]

1. Champ Bailey
2. Ronde Barber
3. Nathan Vasher
4. DeAngelo Hall
5. Chris McAlister


5 best corners of all time:

1. Deion- biggest difference maker on D in his era
2. Darrell- so polished and consistent
3. Willie Brown- physical speciman
4. Champ - complete package
5. i'm not old enough to know the oldies, please help...thanks.

DeAngelo isn't even in the top 15 yet.

[BigRay]

1. Shawn Springs
2. Carlos Rogers
3. Walt Harris
4. Ade Jimoh
5. Dimitri Patterson
:laugh:


:laugh: :laugh: :cheers:

[Art McDonough]

I predict Carlos Rogers will top everyone's list at the end of next season. He had a solid rookie season at a position that usually makes rookies look like...well, rookies. I also predict that if we get Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Ryan Clark, and Sean Taylor back together next year, it will be the best secondary in the NFL.

[adamyesme1111]

Champ is best CB in the league. Shanahan raped the Skins in making the trade. I much rather have Champ, Springs, and Smoot than Portis.

We wouldn't have Champ, Springs, and Smoot if we never made that trade we would most likely have Champ and some other Cb (not springs or smoot) due to salary cap issues

That was the stupidest thing ive heard in my life

[Spartacus87]

I was one of the "haters" in the Pro-Bowl thread on Champ, but to clear up my view on Champ, I don't think he sucks- hardly, he's definitely an elite corner. I just get tired of the media acting like he's a god-send to the cornerback position and the unquestionable king of the position sometimes. He's probably top 3, but with guys like Ronde Barber, Nathan Vasher, Nate Clements, and Ty Law out there, I don't think he's better than them by THAT much like some people act like. As for the Portis-Bailey debate, not only is it a moot point since Champ was leaving anyway, but I think Portis has more than proven his worth to the team after this past season, plus it's already been 2 seasons, I don't see any use arguing about it for the rest of their careers.

[Kreutz]

Chris McAlister is waaaaay over rated! His career is going downhill. But I have to agree Champ is the best corner in the NFL but as these young corners like Vasher, Hall Rogers get more experience Champ will be losing that title very soon.

[BigRay]

Chris McAlister is waaaaay over rated! His career is going downhill. But I have to agree Champ is the best corner in the NFL but as these young corners like Vasher, Hall Rogers get more experience Champ will be losing that title very soon.

:applause: :applause: Agree about McAlister I can't stand him he's way overrated always get beaten..

[Sticksboi05]

Champ is best CB in the league. Shanahan raped the Skins in making the trade. I much rather have Champ, Springs, and Smoot than Portis.

I think that 21 inches of snow is getting to your head????!!

Our defense has been much better then when Bailey was on it and Clinton Portis basically drove us into the playoffs.

[DCMONEY]

Champ is best CB in the league. Shanahan raped the Skins in making the trade. I much rather have Champ, Springs, and Smoot than Portis.

Agreed. Not knocking Portis because he's played well. The Skins coulda woulda had that extra draft pick also. So Smoot, Champ, Possibly say Tatum bell and Antonio Pierce coulda still been here had the Skins opted to keep Champ.

Before anyone says Champ didn't want to be here, I disagree. I saw an interview where he said the ball was in the Skins court. I predicted when Champ left that Lavar would be the next Skins player to depart.

[[[ghost]]]

in no specific order:

Deangelo Hall
Champ Bailey
Ronde Barber
Deltha O'Neal (might not shut down every reciever, but he is an interception machine)
Nathan Vasher

[DCsportsfan53]

First, whoever is comparing Tatum Bell to CP is out of their mind. Portis is certainly a top 5 back and that trade was worth it. If Tatum Bell was so good the Broncos wouldn't be looking into Ricky Williams right now. He has terrible vision, little power and doesn't block well. The opposite of Portis

As for Champ, there's no denying his talent but he did used to piss me off at times when he was a Skin. It always seemed like he had great coverage but somehow it would always still get caught. He'd misplay it in the air or have it go through his hands and into the WRs, it just always seemed like he screwed the play up at the very end.

[skinstzar]

Champ Bailey is not a shut down corner!! Never has been and never will be. If you are a true shutdown corner teams won't throw at you at all. Here is a list of recievers that Champ CAN'T shutdown.

Jerry Porter- Anyone see the game in the snow a couple of years back. Mines as well have called him Lamp Bailey cause he got lit the F up.

Joey Galloway- I was slouched in my seat in the upper bowl when he was with Dallas and had Champ Bailey beat by 10 steps

Amani Toomer- He killed Cramp every time they played.

Here are my top 5 corners

Dre Bly
Ronde Baber
Ty Law
Nate Clemens
Shawn Springs

[NWSkins]

Here are my top 5 corners

Dre Bly
Ronde Baber
Ty Law
Nate Clemens
Shawn Springs

Is this a joke?

Dre Bly better then Champ? Do you watch football?...or just look at the stat sheet and see Bly has more career interceptions.

Ty Law is WAY past his prime to be considered top notch. Everyone knows his pro-bowl vote was pure popularity based.

Granted Champ is not a shut-down corner, but that doesn't degrade his value to one below the status of an old-washed up Ty Law or a p-ssy like Dre Bly. Champ is a COmplete corner. He can do it all. This has to be bitterness, you can't honestly think this.

[Mr. Nostril]

All I'll say, is that there's no way Deion Sanders is the greatest cornerback of all time. I saw him listed on this thread, and I'm always amazed that people(especially Redskin fans) are so quick to give this honor to Deion.

Deion was good, maybe even hof worthy, but there have been about a half dozen or so CBs that were better than him, just during the past 15 years that I've been paying attention to football. Rod Woodson is the best that I've seen.

And I'm not a blind cowboy hater. I would easily list E. Smith as one of the top 10 rbs of all time. I think Roy Williams is the best Strong Safety in the league.

[HoyaSkins28]

Champ Bailey- No Questions (though i hate him for not being a Redskin, theres no one better)
Chris McAlister
Ronde Barber
Nate Clements
Shawn Springs

[HoyaSkins28]

Best of All Time
1. Darrell Green

[RDSKNfaithfull]

The problem with the whole Bailey/Portis argument is that it's invalid at the start. We were going to lose Bailey, regardless of what happened. We essentially got CP for a 2nd round pick.

I don't know about this argument. Other teams were interested such as the Jets. Who knows?????? what could have been.


CP is the man and I'm looking forward and not backwards so who cares.

[terpfan]

1. Champ Bailey
2. Ronde Barber
3. Ty Law
4. Chris McAlister
5. Pat Surtain

[Redskins Diehard]

Not here to contribute a top 5 in the league but to respond about Champ. Seriously the announcers perpetuate this image of him as the greatest in the game. I know that for every highlight I see of him picking a pass, I see another one of him being beat for a touchdown.

There is a book out there somewhere that has done analyzed all kinds of topics, and Champ being a "shutdown corner" was one of them. Statistically he came in as not even in the top 50% of corners. It was amazing the detail this guy went into. I wish I could find the link, it was on SI.com about a year or so ago.

[BleedB&G4life]

Champ Bailey
DeAngelo Hall
Shawn Springs
Deltha O'Neal
Marcus Trufant

consideration for top five:

Nathan Vasher
Ronde Barber
Sam Madison
Carlos Rogers*
Ivan (Ike) Taylor*
*1 or 2 more seasons

[Redskins Diehard]

Here is the blurb I mentioned before. It is pretty interesting.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/dr_z/06/22/rating.systems/1.html

[EnFoRcEr_uPu]

1. Champ Bailey
2. Ronde Barber
3. Nathan Vasher
4. DeAngelo Hall
5. Chris McAlister


I'd agree with that list(not necissarily in that order though) for the most part. Don't know much about McAlister though, so I wouldn't put him on there. Vasher is still young, but juding by this season alone he's good for sure. I think next season Rogers will be on that list of everyones, and after the probowl, Delta O`Neal proved he can hit too, and we all know(especially with ST as proof), talent is just as important as presence on the field of play. So my list would probably look something like this:

1. Rhonde Barber
2. Champ Bailey(arguable I know)
3. Delta O`Neal
4. DeAngelo Hall
5. Carlos Rogers(compare his stats to his playing time, and I think it's justifiable)

[bigjumbo1971]

Here is the blurb I mentioned before. It is pretty interesting.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/dr_z/06/22/rating.systems/1.html


lol...i knew i wasnt going crazy when i watched the many highlight tapes of him getting burned...yeah every CB gets some passes caught on him...and i still think champ is a good CB...but he's not shut down like deon was

[RDSKNfaithfull]

I'd agree with that list(not necissarily in that order though) for the most part. Don't know much about McAlister though, so I wouldn't put him on there. Vasher is still young, but juding by this season alone he's good for sure. I think next season Rogers will be on that list of everyones, and after the probowl, Delta O`Neal proved he can hit too, and we all know(especially with ST as proof), talent is just as important as presence on the field of play. So my list would probably look something like this:

1. Rhonde Barber
2. Champ Bailey(arguable I know)
3. Delta O`Neal
4. DeAngelo Hall
5. Carlos Rogers(compare his stats to his playing time, and I think it's justifiable)

LOL

Come on man please take Carlos off the list. We all hope he will be on there in the future but (compare Rolles stats to his playing time :rolleyes: ) Carlos looked like a top 5 pick all of two games with great interceptions. He is great against the run but we need to see a lot more of him to start saying he is a top CB in the NFL

[Mr. Nostril]

LOL

Come on man please take Carlos off the list. We all hope he will be on there in the future but (compare Rolles stats to his playing time :rolleyes: ) Carlos looked like a top 5 pick all of two games with great interceptions. He is great against the run but we need to see a lot more of him to start saying he is a top CB in the NFL
exactly. And a major factor in determining the best is their ability to do it over a long period of time. If I were to make such a list. Any player in their first 5 years would have trouble qualifying.

[grego]

Its painfully obvious that you personally dont care for Bailey but unfortunately thats not what this thread is about. Clearly youre biased which has seemingly created a fog in your head. As far as having a bad game, I think everybody has one or two of those once in a while. But saying he gets burned for 60 yard td's every sunday just shows how little you know of the subject, which Im pretty certain can be defined as ignorance. Corners who are consistantly burned are not spoken of as good corners, let alone shutdown corners. You come on here dogging people out for giving Bailey his due props and remarkably failed to name someone who you feel is a better all around corner. Lets see if you can get it right this time.


are you champs mom?

i mostly agree with peregrine.

sure, he exaggerated when he said champ gets beat every quarter, but i have seen champ get beat badly- and it happens alot.

the season before last, champ got beat for multiple TD's in games vs porter, kennison and chad johnson. mark schlereth even said on espn that champ shouldnt have been in the pro bowl last year.

this year on thankgiving day he did exactly what peregrine said- he made a great play and then got beat for a TD. i do think he has been better this year than last, though. still, he tends to be all or nothing.

in contrast, springs rarely gets beat one on one- but he gets virtually no credit. champ had a good day yesterday from what i saw, but i wont let that wipe out all of his bad plays in my mind.

[jschlesi]

HAHA what a beast post...this is like post of the week
Thats what makes this forum so much fun.. the objectivity :laugh:

[LaVarGreen2856]

Here is the blurb I mentioned before. It is pretty interesting.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/dr_z/06/22/rating.systems/1.html


Or on consensus All-Pro cornerback Champ Bailey: "Bailey was 79th in deep yards (first being the fewest), tied for 73rd in deep completion percentage, tied for 16th most in deep attempts, tied for 69th in deep TDs ... Bailey wasn't just beaten deep; he was targeted for deep passes quite frequently."

Bailey, good CB. Period. Nothing more.

And please, no more Top 5 of ALL TIME with Chump in it. Ridiculous.

Vasher, Springs and Barber are, by far, ahead of him right now.

[skins84]

Top 5............

1. Champ
2. Ronde Barber
3. Nate Clements
4. Mccallister
5. D. Hall

[Monk4theHall81]

1. Chump Bailey
2. Ronde Barber
3. Shawn Springs
4. Chris Mcalister
5. Deangelo Hall