Peter King Quote that I hope will get Monk in HOF

[bubba9497]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/02/13/mmqb/3.html



7. I think if you think Dan Fouts is a Hall of Famer, you can't argue with Warren Moon being one.

Well Pete if Charlie Joyner, James Lofton, Steve Largent, are Hall of Famers, you can't argue with Art Monk being one. :mad:



other notable "stuff" from Petey


4. I think, looking back on the season, the NFL is lucky to have some of the new stars it has. Think of this season, and who got famous overnight:

a. Hines Ward. Great guy. Hard worker. Wants to be really, really good and won't stop until he is.

b. Lofa Tatupu. Ditto.

c. Matt Hasselbeck. Someday he'll be on a Wheaties box with his wife and three kids. That's how good a guy he is.

d. Troy Polamalu. When I talk to him, I'm not sure if I'm talking to an altar boy or the safety with the most impact in football. he must have majored in Polite at USC.

e. Ben Roethlisberger. I worry about him handling the fame, because it's so much, so fast. But he's 23. Let him enjoy it.

f. Steve Smith. Did a chalk-talk thing with him for Sports Illustrated in Detroit at a business luncheon and he stole the show. Crowd loved him. Hard-working kid, a little cocky, but with a good edge to him.

g. Al Wilson. You don't really know him yet, but you will. Good kid. Really hard-working. Good leader. Key to Denver's defense as a rangy middle linebacker.

h. Osi Umenyiora. Not only a great story -- he's lived equal thirds of his life in London, Africa and America -- but a smart kid, good talker and one heck of a pass-rusher.


uh, What about Santana Moss, or Chris Cooley? :rolleyes:


Louisville coach Bobby Petrino announced last week that he would stay in the Big East. He may not stay there long, however. There are those who think Petrino might one day be the offensive version of Belichick. That's almost sacrilege to me, but it's out there.


Geez, can you be any more obvious of your man crush???


My theory on Carson: A few guys in the room changed their minds. One of them, Cliff Christl of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, talked to me about his reservations, which I appreciated. He felt Carson was a good player but not an outstanding one. I've told Christl how I feel about Carson. Having covered the Giants for four years in the Bill Parcells glory years, I have always believed Carson deserved a spot in Canton, and I spoke up for him in each Hall of Fame meeting.

Carson did the one thing no defensive player ever gets enough credit for, even though it's the first thing every defensive coach talks about with his team every week: He defended the run. You've heard it a hundred times: If we don't stop the run, we can't win. And when the Giants contended consistently, the hallmark of that team was not the running game or Lawrence Taylor terrorizing quarterbacks. It was having opponents in second-and-9. And that was Carson's job. From 1981 to 1987, the peak of his career, when he was making the Pro Bowl every year as a run-stuffing inside linebacker, the Giants averaged 3.59 yards per opponents' rushing attempt.

Consider these three stats about that 3.59 over the seven-year period that Carson was at his peak:

1. The great Chicago Bears defense of 1985, one of the best of all time, with defensive tackles Steve McMichael and Dan Hampton and middle linebacker Mike Singletary, gave up an average of 3.64 yards per rush. The Giants beat that ... over a seven-year period.

2. Only three teams in 2005 were better than 3.59 yards per opponents' rush, for a single season.

3. Mike Shanahan said the Patriots had one of the best run defenses he'd ever seen before he faced them in the playoffs. New England allowed 3.62 per opponents' rush.

And consider that none of Carson's run-stopping 'mates over a seven-year period -- good but not star players like Erik Howard, Jim Burt, Gary Reasons, Kenny Hill, Byron Hunt, Greg Lasker, Herb Welch, Terry Kinard -- will ever be discussed for the Hall of Fame. And you think: if Carson was the on- and off-field leader of this group, if Bill Belichick considered Carson the best all-around linebacker he ever coached, and given the way that Carson stopped the run, shouldn't the guy make the Hall of Fame?



Pete you just described the defensive version of Art Monk, in fact you used arguments that you scoff at when discussing Monk.

Stats!, Not even the best LB on his own team!, He played with lesser talent around him.. none HOF'ers!

The fact that Gibbs has said Monk was the best WR he ever coached... means nothing??? Or the fact Carson did not have flashy memorable plays in big games, or made the highlight reel sacks... but did a blue collar, efficient job at his position, doing the dirty work... is worthy of being a HOF'er????

NOW, tell me again how your voting against Monk is NOT personal????? :jerk:

[TODD]

You should send your first and last points directly to King, if possible, bubba. Good stuff. :cheers:

[GSF]

Wow. Good post Bubba. That King is something else...

[skinstzar]

We all know that it is a sham, Monk is going to get in eventually. This topic used to make me so irrate that I would get red in the face. One thing we know is that anyone who really watched football in the 80's and early 90's knows how GREAT Monk was. All those who played with Art Monk and are fans of Art Monk know he is more than deserving of a bust in Canton. Art Monk probably cares more about those things than actually getting in.

[Mr. Nostril]

You mention that he misses Cooley and Moss on the list of players who came out of nowhere this year, but what I think is more telling is the players that he does list. It pretty much proves him to be more ignorant than the average fan.

Before the season began about half the people on the list of "New breakout stars" were already certifiable stars.
Hines Ward had made it to four consecutive pro-bowls
Al Wilson had made it to two pro-bowls
Ben Roethlisberger had the biggest breakout rookie season ever.
Steve Smith was injured all of '04, but he was the **** in '03.

[SkinsGuy]

It's also interesting how he dismisses the idea of Monk being in the HoF b/c of his contention that he had a scarier WR next to him in Gary Clark that drew attention away from Monk, allowing him to pad his stats.

Yet when he talks up how Carson deserves to be in the HoF, he ignores the fact that he had what's considered the greatest LB of all time playing next to him in Lawerence Taylor drawing attention away from him.

Just another example of King talking out of two sides of his mouth. :rolleyes:

I agree with others, Bubba. You should mail this into him and point out his hypocrisy.

[twenty-eight]

:cuss:makes me so angry!

[kingfish50]

Bubba, mail it to that fat son of a *****.That fat bastard has the nerve to qualify Harry Carson to the HOF?
This whole process of choosing players to the HOF is turning into a joke. Only 2 Redskins from the first Joe Gibbs era in the HOF. I'm telling you, something stinks about this whole thing. And why aren't any of our local journalists, from one of the most influential newspapers in the country, writting and raising some hell about this?

[Dieselpower44]

I think this jack ass just gets off on the power that he has to control whether or not someone makes it into the HOF or not.

It's like he had an opinion on Monk and despite how wrong that it is, he is taking pride on being an ass and not voting for him just to back up his original opinion.

The only thing that can bring justice to PK's obvious retardedness when it comes to not voting Monk into the HOF is if his car broke down on the way home from work and he was ass raped by some escaped convict who just happened to be a huge Washington Redskins fan and who liked Art Monk all of these years!

And yeah, that last bit was a joke... no really it was...

I also think we need to get a new emoticon like the eagles,dallas and giants suck ones that says Peter King sucks! then switches to a Vote for Monk message...

[Jumbo]

A revealing dissection, bubba. You show how helter-skelter and self-contradicting King's rationalizations are when justifying his stance. In the end, he appears inconsistent, emotionally biased, and very subjective in his choices.

[BogeyMan]

It will be interesting to see what happens when Jerome Bettis comes up for the Hall. The same arguments that are made against Art Monk could also be made against Bettis - especially his low yards per carry average.

I expect Bettis will make the Hall in his first attempt. That will just show me that the Hall of Fame is nothing but a media popularity contest.

[mikeyf316]

Great post! Thanks for an outstanding find and very good dissection of King's arguement for Carson / against Monk.

I will say that I'm sorry that you had to spend any time reading what that jackass wrote. Thanks for bringing more evidence of his blatent bias to light, though.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Excellent breakdown Bubba

You need to send it to each and every HOF voter. That was right on the money, in particular the part about Carson. Good player, nice guy, "not hall of fame worthy"

What a joke Peter Queen is

[desertfox59]

(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/02/13/mmqb/3.html)


Well Pete if Charlie Joyner, James Lofton, Steve Largent, are Hall of Famers, you can't argue with Art Monk being one. :mad:


Pete you just described the defensive version of Art Monk, in fact you used arguments that you scoff at when discussing Monk.

Stats!, Not even the best LB on his own team!, He played with lesser talent around him.. none HOF'ers!

The fact that Gibbs has said Monk was the best WR he ever coached... means nothing??? Or the fact Carson did not have flashy memorable plays in big games, or made the highlight reel sacks... but did a blue collar, efficient job at his position, doing the dirty work... is worthy of being a HOF'er????

NOW, tell me again how your voting against Monk is NOT personal????? :jerk:

Well said sir.....Well said.

[Drockvb]

Does this guy vote for The Baseball Hall of Fame also? If yes, I wonder if he voted for Ryne Sandberg? I know it's apples and oranges, but they are alot alike.

Monk deserves it..........................

[roadkill]

I have no idea how King became a HOF voter. What a waste of a vote.

[redskinfansince73]

:helmet: Great Post Bubba! Send that to Mr.King. HTTR! Grimm & Monk HOF 07:applause:

[REDSKINS STOMP]

Send it to King.

I am sure he will dismiss it as Redskins fans crying foul. Dr. Z and King fall on the that excuse constantly. They suck.

[shallyshal]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/02/13/mmqb/3.html




Well Pete if Charlie Joyner, James Lofton, Steve Largent, are Hall of Famers, you can't argue with Art Monk being one. :mad:



other notable "stuff" from Petey




uh, What about Santana Moss, or Chris Cooley? :rolleyes:



Geez, can you be any more obvious of your man crush???




Pete you just described the defensive version of Art Monk, in fact you used arguments that you scoff at when discussing Monk.

Stats!, Not even the best LB on his own team!, He played with lesser talent around him.. none HOF'ers!

The fact that Gibbs has said Monk was the best WR he ever coached... means nothing??? Or the fact Carson did not have flashy memorable plays in big games, or made the highlight reel sacks... but did a blue collar, efficient job at his position, doing the dirty work... is worthy of being a HOF'er????

NOW, tell me again how your voting against Monk is NOT personal????? :jerk:

the exact analogy is carson... he did all the dirty work and got little glory. he kept the chains from being moved a thousand times.... just like monk. he moved the chains a thousand times. he blocked. he ran every route with conviction. he never took a down off. he was a consummate professional.
he belongs in the hall of fame

[Alvin Walton's Mohawk]

I swear to God: If Michael Irvin gets elected to the HOF before Art Monk I will personally firebomb that stupid-looking building....


The word travesty is over-used these days....but this situation fits the bill.

[JPM285181]

Lets not forget as much of a clueless **** for brains that King and Zimmerman are Mike Lupica also puts Monk down with many of the same ignorant justifications for Monk not being in the HOF

[dfbovey]

Someone that is on this committee who wants Monk in the HOF needs to make these arguements during the voting.

[bricucci]

I know its been debated back and forth about the positives and negatives of emailing this guy. I for one believe he will never change his mind gracefully on the subject. I think everyone should ban together and continue to email this guy (with positive thoughts and facts) on Art Monk. If this ass-clown were to receive numerous emails daily that supported Monk, maybe just maybe he would open his eyes and let a well-derserving player into Canton.
I'm not avocating negative comments directly to Mr King, but factual, argumentitive evidence that supports Monks case from everyone. Now if I only had his email address. :2cents:

[DjTj]

Also from that article:

Good question. In fact, this was an odd class to me. A very good class, but an odd one. Each year when I go into the room the day before the Super Bowl to vote on the Hall of Fame class -- I'm one of 39 selectors; this was my 14th year doing it -- I have a notion of how the voting will go. And invariably I'm wrong. This year, for instance, I was sure Warren Moon wouldn't get in. I said so on HBO. Just proves you never know what's going to happen until you get in the room. And I was sure Thurman Thomas would get in. I had him third on my list of 15. And he didn't make it. The way the system works is that we vote for 10 of the original 15. Then the field is narrowed to 10. Then we vote for six of the 10. Then the field is narrowed to six. Then we vote yes or no, individually, on the six.

"What happened with Thurman?'' former Bills GM Bill Polian, now with the Colts, asked me last Friday. I gave him a long answer about how Troy Aikman and Reggie White were locks, and John Madden and Rayfield Wright, the senior candidates, were either going to get in now or perhaps never because seniors come up one year and then not again for a long time. Then, after those four, there was a big morass with Thurman, Moon, Carson, Bob Kuechenberg, Russ Grimm, Art Monk, Derrick Thomas and others. The short answer was: I don't know. I still don't, other than this was a tremendous class of candidates, 13 of whom I would have voted yes had they made it to the final six.

So there's only two out of the fifteen finalists he doesn't want in the Hall of Fame ... we know one of them is Art Monk ... if the other one is Russ Grimm ... :cuss:

[Rogers22]

Good post but you're preaching to the choir. We all think Monk should be in the HOF but the vote is not up to us to get him in.

[SkinsFTW]

And to top it all off, Monk owned the most important records as a receiver while Carson never held any as a linebacker. Not that he doesn't belong in the HOF. He does but so does Monk. It's pretty rediculous having to defend the former NFL Career Receptions leader.

[MaddogCT]

It's pretty rediculous having to defend the former NFL Career Receptions leader.
Don't forget the single season reception record. Monk is the only reciever to hold the single season,career reception and the consecutive game with a reception records.(as far as I can tell, anyway.) And for a short time in 1992 he held all three at the same time.

Pro Bowl Year Stats:
Reed and Lofton are sometimes referred to as better receivers who should make it into Canton before Art Monk. Many point to the number of Pro Bowls Reed and Lofton went to compared to Monk. But when you look at the stats, Monk’s Pro Bowl seasons are better than most of the seasons when Reed or Lofton made it.

I also included two seasons where Monk should have gone to the pro bowl and the stats of the NFC recievers that year.
Monk
Rec Yards Y/R TD

1984 106 1372 12.9 7
1985 91 1226 13.5 2
1986 73 1068 14.6 4


Reed:
Rec Yards Y/R TD

1988 71 968 13.6 6
1989 88 1312 14.9 9 |
1990 71 945 13.3 8 |
1991 81 1113 13.7 10 |
1992 65 913 14.0 3 |
1993 52 854 16.4 6 |
1994 90 1303 14.5 8 |

Lofton:
Rec Yards Y/R TD
1978 46 818 17.8 6 |
1979 54 968 17.9 4 |
1980 71 1226 17.3 4 |
1981 71 1294 18.2 8 |
1982 35 696 19.9 4 |
1983 58 1300 22.4 8 |
1984 62 1361 22.0 7 |
1985 69 1153 16.7 4 |
1991 57 1072 18.8 8

Two Pro Bowls which should have included Art Monk:

1989 NFC Pro Bowl:
Taylor:
60 1077 17.9 10
Sharpe:
90 1423 15.8 12
Rice
82 1483 18.1 17
Ellard:
70 1382 19.7 8
Carrier:
86 1422 16.5 9

Monk:
86 1186 13.8 8 |


1991 NFC Pro Bowl:
Clark:
70 1340 19.1 10
Irvin:
93 1523 16.4 8
Rice:
80 1206 15.1 14
Rison:
81 976 12.0 12

Monk:
71 1049 14.8 8


:logo:

[Stonoman]

Why do sports writers get to vote on football players.What the hell do they know? They should let the Defensive players vote on Offensive players and then reverse it.After 5 years tally the votes and see who is on top of the list.Pick a panel of players and then let them vote for the best. :2cents:

[WilberMarshall]

I have been saying it and will continue to say it... Peter King, is a disgrace to other HOF voters... he can make all kinds of excuses for the guys he likes but when it comes to Monk he just wouldn't go beyond a 2nd grader excuse level...

Pity!

[Sknsnation]

Great job Bubba, good stuff,enjoyed it

[FedExFielder]

http://scrippsjschool.org/pictures/999021848king-speech.gif = http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZQY766ULyxcz8M:http://www.atlantisbonaire.com/images/bonaire/curious%2520donkey.jpg (http://www.atlantisbonaire.com/images/bonaire/curious%20donkey.jpg)

I think all skins fans can agree on this

[Henry]

Yup. King has some pretty huge blinders on when discussing Monk. And now he's got his heels dug in to the point where I think even pointing out his inconsistant logic will do little good.

HOF voting needs to be re-vamped. Pure and simple. There's a reason college football took the rankings out of the hands of the media. They have a terrible track record when it comes to making objective decisions about things like this.

[zoony]

Osi Umenyiora. Not only a great story -- he's lived equal thirds of his life in London, Africa and America -- but a smart kid, good talker and one heck of a pass-rusher

Funny how he had to point out that Osi was a 'good talker'.

Chris Rock does an entire bit on this, I highly recommend it. :2cents:

[MoeRedskins]

Why continue beating a dead horse here, I think everybody in Redskins Land knows Peter King is a tool job, why bring up more points.

[fight_on_til_you_have_won]

Funny how he had to point out that Osi was a 'good talker'.

Chris Rock does an entire bit on this, I highly recommend it. :2cents:

He speaks so well! He's so well spoken! He speaks so well!

Speaks so well is not a complement, okay? Speaks so well is some **** you say about retarded people that can talk. What do you mean he speaks well, what did he have a stroke the other day? :laugh:

Back to the subject at hand, I think this is a great post. I just wish other high-ranking sports journalists had the nuts to call Peter King on this nonsense.

[raperry2]

Peter King can die in a fire. Slowly.

[NOVA2Tampa]

F Peter King...

[JPM285181]

Don't forget the single season reception record. Monk is the only reciever to hold the single season,career reception and the consecutive game with a reception records.(as far as I can tell, anyway.) And for a short time in 1992 he held all three at the same time.

Pro Bowl Year Stats:
Reed and Lofton are sometimes referred to as better receivers who should make it into Canton before Art Monk. Many point to the number of Pro Bowls Reed and Lofton went to compared to Monk. But when you look at the stats, Monk’s Pro Bowl seasons are better than most of the seasons when Reed or Lofton made it.

I also included two seasons where Monk should have gone to the pro bowl and the stats of the NFC recievers that year.
Monk
Rec Yards Y/R TD

1984 106 1372 12.9 7
1985 91 1226 13.5 2
1986 73 1068 14.6 4


Reed:
Rec Yards Y/R TD

1988 71 968 13.6 6
1989 88 1312 14.9 9 |
1990 71 945 13.3 8 |
1991 81 1113 13.7 10 |
1992 65 913 14.0 3 |
1993 52 854 16.4 6 |
1994 90 1303 14.5 8 |

Lofton:
Rec Yards Y/R TD
1978 46 818 17.8 6 |
1979 54 968 17.9 4 |
1980 71 1226 17.3 4 |
1981 71 1294 18.2 8 |
1982 35 696 19.9 4 |
1983 58 1300 22.4 8 |
1984 62 1361 22.0 7 |
1985 69 1153 16.7 4 |
1991 57 1072 18.8 8

Two Pro Bowls which should have included Art Monk:

1989 NFC Pro Bowl:
Taylor:
60 1077 17.9 10
Sharpe:
90 1423 15.8 12
Rice
82 1483 18.1 17
Ellard:
70 1382 19.7 8
Carrier:
86 1422 16.5 9

Monk:
86 1186 13.8 8 |


1991 NFC Pro Bowl:
Clark:
70 1340 19.1 10
Irvin:
93 1523 16.4 8
Rice:
80 1206 15.1 14
Rison:
81 976 12.0 12

Monk:
71 1049 14.8 8


:logo: Hey nice work, now you got me po'd on Valentines day. I remember these years where whatever argument fit was used to keep Monk out. A lot of catches but lower ypc than blah blah, a lot of yards but lower catches than blah blah, a good amount of cathes and yards but low on TD's,................. it was always some angle to screw Monk I guess kissing reporters asses has its advantages.

[JPM285181]

Why continue beating a dead horse here, I think everybody in Redskins Land knows Peter King is a tool job, why bring up more points. Its what are therapist recommended to help us cope.

[skins fan1010]

Carson did the one thing no defensive player ever gets enough credit for, even though it's the first thing every defensive coach talks about with his team every week: He defended the run. ...That was Carson's job.


Holy crap. All these years I thought the Giants had eleven guys on the other side of the line of scrimmage and now I learn that they only had one--Carson.

We should start a petition to remove Gibbs from the Hall. If a coach can't put up a hundred against a team with one player on defense, that coach shouldn't be in the Hall.

[BlueTiki21]

It's also interesting how he dismisses the idea of Monk being in the HoF b/c of his contention that he had a scarier WR next to him in Gary Clark that drew attention away from Monk, allowing him to pad his stats.

Yet when he talks up how Carson deserves to be in the HoF, he ignores the fact that he had what's considered the greatest LB of all time playing next to him in Lawerence Taylor drawing attention away from him.

Just another example of King talking out of two sides of his mouth. :rolleyes:

I agree with others, Bubba. You should mail this into him and point out his hypocrisy.

Carson made 2 pro bowls before taylor even arrived...

However, I think it is a travesty that art monk hasn't been placed into the hall of fame yet. He definately deserves to get in, hopefully next year. It's a shame players such as monk and carson get snubbed like this year after year.

[Jumbo]

Why continue beating a dead horse here...


We are the endlessely cloned Imperial Storm Toopers of dead-horse-beaters. :point2sky

[bubba9497]

Pete is funny, I like he answers a question by not answering the question with anything relevant to the actual question.

like a bad politician :laugh:

[MattGeorge85]

King is such a hypocrite. He makes a case for teams, players, and so forth but when it comes down to backing them he tends to go with whatever fad is sweeping the NFL. He is one of the last people I would want on the HOF voting board. I would additinally like him to leave sportswriting and leave it to some new blood with some fresh ideas. I'm certain that more senior members of this message board are more qualified in their knowlege than him

[MaddogCT]

Another couple of Pro Bowls for Monk:

1988 Pro Bowl:

John Taylor:
14 325 23.2 2
JT Smith:
83 986 11.9 5
Eric Martin:
85 1083 12.7 7
Anthony Carter
72 1225 17.0 6
Henry Ellard:
86 1414 16.4 10
Jerry Rice:
64 1306 20.4 9

Monk:
72 946 13.1 5

Yet another season Monk should have gone to the Pro Bowl. Ellard is the only other reciever to have better numbers in every stat. Monk either ties or beats everyone else in at least one catagory.
So now that makes at least three more Monk should have gone to. For a total of six.
Six Pro Bowls Mr. King......kind of kills ANOTHER of your arguments against Monk.....what's it going to be next year?

Edit:

Total Snub Batman!
Another year Monk should have been in the Pro Bowl:
1983 Pro Bowl:

Billy Johnson
64 709 11.1 4 (16 games)

Monk:
47 746 15.9 5 (12 Games)

Now, Monk gets beat by everyone else, but man in four less games he beats Johnson in everything except for receptions.

And Monk made the Pro Bowl before Clark arrived btw.

Edit # 2

Ok...I'm not making this up:

1980 Pro Bowl:
Pat Tilly
68 966 14.2 6
Harold Carmichael
48 815 17.0 9

Monk:
58 797 13.7 3

Close one, but another one Monk could have made.

1981 Pro Bowl:
Ahmad Rashad
58 884 15.2 7

Monk:
56 894 16.0 6

Monk, again, just as good as a Pro Bowler......

1982 Pro Bowl:
(Strike Year. Only nine games played.)
James Lofton:
35 696 19.9 4
Dwight Clark:
60 913 15.2 5
Charlie Brown:
32 690 21.6 8
John Jefferson
27 452 16.7 0 (!)

Monk:
35 447 12.8 1

Thats Ten.

:logo:

[Brianbien83]

Don't forget the single season reception record. Monk is the only reciever to hold the single season,career reception and the consecutive game with a reception records.(as far as I can tell, anyway.) And for a short time in 1992 he held all three at the same time.



I don't disagree with your post, and you make an effective counterarugrment to those who use Monk's Pro-Bowl years to keep him out of the hall. However, in this point above, I do believe you are mistaken. I think Rice carried these same three records at one point. Though, that should go to even futher the argument. The only other receiver who has held all three of these records is a sure-fire, first ballot HOFer...just Monk's bad luck that Rice played at the same time he did.

[DjTj]

I don't disagree with your post, and you make an effective counterarugrment to those who use Monk's Pro-Bowl years to keep him out of the hall. However, in this point above, I do believe you are mistaken. I think Rice carried these same three records at one point. Though, that should go to even futher the argument. The only other receiver who has held all three of these records is a sure-fire, first ballot HOFer...just Monk's bad luck that Rice played at the same time he did.

Jerry Rice never had the single-season receptions record.

The record was held by Charley Hennigan, who caught 101 passes in 1964.

Art Monk broke the record in 1984 with 104.

Sterling Sharpe broke that record in 1992 with 108. He broke his own record in 1993 with 112.

Jerry Rice tied that in 1994, but Cris Carter broke the record again with 122 in the same year.

Herman Moore broke that record in 1995 with 123 catches.

Marvin Harrison shattered the record in 2002 with 143.

[LD0506]

I'm still surprised to see how some people think you can CONVINCE King of anything, like there's a logical, reasonable argument that simply hasn't been made. The guy is a sack, an outright liar with a personal agenda that makes up excuses as he goes along because he doesn't have the cojones to admit the truth- he blocks Monk because he was a Skin, plain and simple. You will never debate or persuade a zealot into changing their views, it won't happen. Now if I, ooops I mean someone accidentally ran over King 8 or 47 times it might alter the next round of voting but words aint gonna do it.