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Redskins could cut seven


By David Elfin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
March 8, 2006


Center Cory Raymer and aging cornerback Walt Harris will be among a group of five to seven players cut by the Washington Redskins tonight in an effort to get under the $94.5 million salary cap by the 9 p.m. deadline.

Defensive tackle Brandon Noble and punter Tom Tupa, who both missed all of last season with injuries, and safety Matt Bowen, like Raymer a starter in 2004 but an afterthought in 2005, also will be released.

All five have been told they will be waived even if NFL owners approve the deal on extending the collective bargaining agreement with the players association that commissioner Paul Tagliabue brought with him to their meeting in Grapevine, Texas.

Even though the Redskins reworked the contracts of at least a dozen high-priced players -- most of them contingent on the CBA extension being rejected -- they still could use some cap room to enable them to retain veterans and add free agents and draft picks.

So kicker John Hall, who missed 14 of the past 29 games with a succession of pulled leg muscles, and reserve receiver Taylor Jacobs, a major bust who caught just 30 passes in three years after being taken in the second round of the 2003 draft, also might be cut.

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

Bubba, just when I thought you might be sleep, you prove me wrong again. I really believe you're a robot.

[Nemosapien]

those would be good cuts, because then the Skins will have some options in free agency, opposed to be very limited and only able to sign their draft picks.

[Parlett316]

Oh no! The Redskins are cutting their entire roster!?!!!?

[visionary]

Wow, never would have expected these cuts....

Wait...did I say 'never would have'? I meant, 'Everyone'.


Anyway, interesting article, but not much new.

[ntotoro]

Jacobs should have been sent packing after the Seattle game. This is two month of borrowed time for him.

[Xameil]

I'm kinda surprised by Tupa. I would think they would keep him. He is actually a good punter when he's not injured.

[Rogers22]

Expected these cuts. I thought there might be some breaking news but this is stuff that we've been waiting for for the last few days.

[Pocono]

Cap savings

Bowen 2M
Harris 2M
Raymer 985K
Noble 1.7M*
Tupa 600K
Hall 1.03M
Jacobs 120K

Net effect on cap will be 8.438M minus 2.17M which is the cost of the 7 players[310K per] who will move into the top 51= 6.268M

These cuts will add 3.915M to this year's dead money total which will put it around 15M at this point.

Since the player moving into the top 51 will add more to the total than Jacobs will subtract it actually uses more space to cut him than to keep him.

* Savings will be reduced if there is an injury settlement.

[wilbur58z]

It's kind of weird how just about all the players we actually save money by cutting were all total non-factors for us last year.

I also don't think Jacobs will be cut. He's at least a receiver who can be a #4 or #5 receiver and play special teams. And Gibbs has already spoken as if Jacobs will be brought back.

[stwasm]

The Tupa cutting actually surprises me because he's the only competent punter we have on the team. You mean to tell me we'd keep that skittish Andy Groom over him? :doh:

[BillyKilmer]

Bubba, just when I thought you might be sleep, you prove me wrong again. I really believe you're a robot.

[SkinsLover]

PLEASE OH PLEASE.... dont keep Taylor Jacobs. I am so tired of getting excited every time he gets on the field, thinking...."okay, this is it.....this is when Jacobs actually catches a ball and turns on the burners that we kept hearing about in training camp..." His tenure cant end soon enough for me...!!!!!

[BigRay]

No real surprise here Noble who hasn't been healthy since he been here let him go... Taylor Jacobs can you say big bust like Desmond Howard, Michael Westbrook..

[Thinking Skins]

haha, the article called Jacobs a bust

[Ant15fromNJ]

I agree with all the cuts but Tupa he was very good in 2004 but maybe his injury was so bad he cant punt the same anymore.

[G-Prime]

How do we fit 20 rookies into 7 roster slots...

I don't get it

[Cskin]

I'm not ready to cut Jacobs yet. I am, however, ready for the coaching staff to give him an ultimatum to stay healthy.... work hard.... and be where he's supposed to be on every given play so as to give the starting QB a comfort level and subsequently throw him the ball.

The kid has gotten injured at nearly the worst time each of the three years with the Redskins. If he can make it through offseason workouts, minicamps, training camp, and all four preseason games.... then he should know where he's supposed to be on the field on any given play and he'll get some balls thrown his way to gain confidence.

He stays... it makes no sense to cut him in regards to the cap charge.

[skinsman4u]

The Tupa cutting actually surprises me because he's the only competent punter we have on the team. You mean to tell me we'd keep that skittish Andy Groom over him? :doh:

Yea, and "luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity"

Skins Man 4U

[Art]

The most harmful release would be Harris, who remains a valuable player just in a lesser role than the starting one he had early last year. This seems reasonably harmless for us and it wouldn't be a surprise depending on the league's CBA status, if a couple of them re-signed here.

[kingdaddy]

OK, so here are the priority areas this team needs to seriously address this offseason if we're going to make a SB run:
Kicker- we have none on the roster if Hall is cut. Some good ones are out there.
DB/Safety- If we lose Clark, Harris and Bowen, we've got to add a starter and depth in the secondary. If we keep Clark and Taylor avoids prison, this isn't such a desperate situation.
LB- Arrington is gone and Holdman should be too. We need a LB or two.
WR- Patten and Jacobs did nothing to help Brunell and Moss. Thrash was serviceable and played a big role in beating Philly in week 17. We have to add a threat here if we don't think Patten has anything left.
D-Line- Every team would like to upgrade its defensive line and we're no different. The question is gonna be, how much money do we invest here with all of the needs we have elsewhere?

That's all I got for now.

[McMetal]

The only thing that would concern me with that group is not having a clear replacement for Hall and Harris. Nick Novak and Ade Jimoh are not exactly our best alternatives there.

Besides, if the deal is ratified today, the salary cap is going to be a lot more than 94.5 million.

[Donita35]

Am I the only one that thinks we should keep Bowen? He can add some dept in the secondary especially if ST is in black and white next season. Any thoughts...

[PleaseGoForTheWin]

I think Jacobs will stay, and I think we'll stick with Frost as our punter. He definitely had some scary moments, but he was only a second year man and he should get better. Maybe after the offseason and some competition he'll be more reliable. There's no doubting that the guy has a good leg.

[carlsbadd]

Am I the only one that thinks we should keep Bowen? He can add some dept in the secondary especially if ST is in black and white next season. Any thoughts...

No you are not. I would like to keep Bowen also, however there are better options out there or Gibbs would have kept him. I like Bowen but we could use an upgrade there.

[rydemps]

Can't argue with any of them. Do you think we will stick with Frost or try to find another punter?

[Poteet]

Cap savings

Bowen 2M
Harris 2M
Raymer 985K
Noble 1.7M*
Tupa 600K
Hall 1.03M
Jacobs 120K

Net effect on cap will be 8.438M minus 2.17M which is the cost of the 7 players[310K per] who will move into the top 51= 6.268M

These cuts will add 3.915M to this year's dead money total which will put it around 15M at this point.

Since the player moving into the top 51 will add more to the total than Jacobs will subtract it actually uses more space to cut him than to keep him.

* Savings will be reduced if there is an injury settlement.

Assuming he's right about how many $$ Jacobs will save us by cutting him, there is NO way we should cut him. Regardless of how we "feel" about Jacobs, it just doesn't make financial sense. Last year was the only one that he was healthy, and that wasn't even for the entire year. Nearly all receivers need at least one full (healthy) year under their belts before they become productive. That fact, along with the financials, means that he should definitely be a Redskin next year. But don't get me wrong, his lack of performance has bummed me out for some time now.

[GSF]

I think we would cut most of those guys with or without the CBA extension. Harris, and maybe Jacobs are the only guys I think we keep if the deal gets done. Harris is still a good nickel corner in this league, and a valuable member of the defense.

[RabidFan]

How do we fit 20 rookies into 7 roster slots...

I don't get it


We're gonna need those NASA guys from the movie Apollo 13. :silly:

[qb18_200400]

Oh no! The Redskins are cutting their entire roster!?!!!?

seriously, we where "supposed" to cut 15-20 players and have all rookies on our team. Lenny Pasdbgsljglgfhdv is a ****in idiot. If i saw him...i'd throw a steak at his head!!!

[qb18_200400]

and I think we'll stick with Frost as our punter.


frost better not be our punter

[flordvader]

Obviously, this is just the first round of cuts. We still need to cut at least 15 or so actual starters in order to start 20 rookies next season. I mean, ESPN, Peter Queen, and Pastabelly couldn't be wrong, could they?

[More Complete]

While only two starters, strong safety Ryan Clark and tight end Robert Royal, are set to be unrestricted free agents, the Redskins would have little experienced depth under contract if they cut the seven aforementioned players. They would have only two linebackers (Marcus Washington and Lemar Marshall) who have played a snap on defense, two safeties (Sean Taylor and Pierson Prioleau) and one backup offensive lineman (Jim Molinaro).

This is the only thing that worries me.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I feel bad for Noble and his situation, but he might be back as a coach one day once he is able to move around again.

Raymer should've been gone last year.

Bowen same thing, he has lost a step in the last few years. And his angles that he use to take were usually bad. I'm really surprised that he has been around at all.

Hall, use to be a great kicker, but injury. He did hit that 47 yarder.

Tupa, man we could've used him so much last year. He will be missed.

Harris won't be missed. He almost tarnished Ken Houston's number. HOF #.

Taylor Jacobs, florida scum, get out of here spurrier's best player.:logo:

[CPstretch]

i wouldn't be surprised if jacobs is back next year. the coaches believe he can be a very good WR and they are always praising his practice skills....too bad he sucks in games.

[G-Prime]

frost better not be our punter

Lord no, if that's the case maybe I should go try out.. For real, I could do a better job then frost.

[Jay Master Jay]

Why are we considering cutting Taylor Jacobs :laugh: THis kid can straight out play did you see him at Florida :doh: :D

[G-Prime]

Why are we considering cutting Taylor Jacobs :laugh: THis kid can straight out play did you see him at Florida :doh: :D

Is it just me or does his mustache annoy anyone else?

[Donita35]

Why are we considering cutting Taylor Jacobs :laugh: THis kid can straight out play did you see him at Florida :doh: :D

You are kidding, right! :doh: I would let him go and keep the depth in the secondary.

[Peregrine]

Jacobs wont be cut, that you can be sure of. The rest, with the possibly exception of Hall, no surprise. Hall they will have to decide if he can go a full season or not.

[AJ_Skins]

OK, so here are the priority areas this team needs to seriously address this offseason if we're going to make a SB run:
Kicker- we have none on the roster if Hall is cut. Some good ones are out there.
DB/Safety- If we lose Clark, Harris and Bowen, we've got to add a starter and depth in the secondary. If we keep Clark and Taylor avoids prison, this isn't such a desperate situation.
LB- Arrington is gone and Holdman should be too. We need a LB or two.
WR- Patten and Jacobs did nothing to help Brunell and Moss. Thrash was serviceable and played a big role in beating Philly in week 17. We have to add a threat here if we don't think Patten has anything left.
D-Line- Every team would like to upgrade its defensive line and we're no different. The question is gonna be, how much money do we invest here with all of the needs we have elsewhere?

That's all I got for now.

We will need depth at CB and LB...hopefully C. Rogers will be ready to start full time...but the biggest area of concern on this team by far is at QB.

The article says: "Quarterback Patrick Ramsey, who started 25 of 40 games from October 2002 through the 2005 opener, will not be cut. Washington hopes to trade Ramsey, who has one year left on his contract, for a second- or third-round draft pick. Chicago, Miami, Oakland and the New York Jets are believed to be interested in Ramsey but hope to acquire him for a lower-round selection."

I wouldn't trade Ramsey for anything less than a mid-to-high first round pick. If there is a veteran FA out there that the team knows can step in and win games this year, and that the team knows it can acquire, taking into account the cap and a variety of other issues, trading Ramsey would not be as big of a risk, but it would still be a gamble.

In my opinion, going into next year relying solely on Brunell and Campbell would be gross negligence on the part of the F.O. Keeping Ramsey seems like the easiest option, but whatever they do, they can't leave it to an aging Brunell who is more likely to get injured than not, and a second year player who has never taken a snap in a real game. If they do, it will tell me they are not serious about winning a Super Bowl.

[jimster]

Am I the only one that thinks we should keep Bowen? He can add some dept in the secondary especially if ST is in black and white next season. Any thoughts...


with his cap number, he'll surely be cut. But what I'm hoping is we can re-sign him for a lesser contract as depth.




I wouldn't trade Ramsey for anything less than a mid-to-high first round pick.

that absolutely won't happen

[cphil006]

What the heck are you guys doing up so late/early?

Well, we are only as strong as our weakest links. I think we are improving.

[visionary]

Never mind, it wasn't anything not said in the article...sorry.

:doh: