V For Vendetta (Possible Spoilers)

[kevinklein]

I saw this movie tonight with my girlfriend. It was lengthy, but really good.

Not to mention Natalie Portman is simply gorgeous. Even after they shaved her head I still had a strange attraction...it was like I knew the hair had to grow back someday, so I might as well keep thinking she's hot. :)

Anyone else see this movie? How'd you like it.

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

Natalie Portman in that little schoolgirl outfit... :yikes: :drool: Yeah, she looked very good, outside of when she was imprisoned.

I liked it a lot too. I didn't think the length was a problem, it was only about 2:15. It dragged a little bit in the middle though. I thought it was a really good mix of a cool action/revenge movie on the surface, but also raised some interesting theories/ideas to think about if afterwards if you're into that too.

[DarkLadyRaven]

My mother hated it but of course she doesnt know what a disutopia is or has even heard of 1984 or Brave New World. I think the movie required too much thinking on her part

But I loved it it was alittle too happy ending for me should have ended it in the vain of 1984 in which gov previals. The brit gov falls faster than Saddams which is not believable

If you are a social conservative who hated hollywood and is easily offended my advice: SWEET EVEYTHING HOLLY RUUUUUUUUN !!!!

[Air Force Cane]

Are you even speaking English here?

"If you are a social conservative who hated hollywood and is easily offended my advice: SWEET EVEYTHING HOLLY RUUUUUUUUN !!!!"

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

If you are a social conservative who hated hollywood and is easily offended my advice: SWEET EVEYTHING HOLLY RUUUUUUUUN !!!!

Easily offended is the key term in this phrase. The movie is not really anti-conservative or anti-Bush. You really need to go into it looking for a way to make it that way. I went into it with that in the back of my mind, because of what I have read, and did not come out thinking this at all. It's really anti-fascist/oppresive government, but it does criticize some conservative policy that could lead to this type of government (mostly using scare tactics to assume more control). So if you are an oversensitive conservative, it probably won't be the movie for you. But if you can handle criticism, it isn't bad.

[twenty-eight]

It was great, I thought it had all the ingredients to be one of the best movies i've ever seen. It didnt come through though, still a good film

[DC_Hokie]

If they placed the setting in the U.S.A. I think the movie would have been very tired.

Which leads to the question; could something like this happen in the land of liberty?

[Winslowalrob]

It was bloody amazing. I loved every second of it. I am surprised they managed to not butcher such a mature and complicated story. And thank god we have people like AFC to help us correct our engrish :).

[seanskins]

Watched it last night, was the most entertasining movie i have seen in a loooooong time. I will definitely be buying the DVD.

[DarkLadyRaven]

If they placed the setting in the U.S.A. I think the movie would have been very tired.

Which leads to the question; could something like this happen in the land of liberty?


I think the more relevent question to today is are we becoming more and more like the one in Brave New World?

Do people care more about entertainment than that of issues of substance?, Drugs to make you feel good legal and illegal, people shunning motherhood and fatherhood?, more state control over education of the young, sex for recreation instead of procreation

:(

[Darth Tater]

If they placed the setting in the U.S.A. I think the movie would have been very tired.

Which leads to the question; could something like this happen in the land of liberty?
Yes and our plan is working very nicely. Foolishly, the left keeps attacking Bush for his left wing antics making the right love him more. Remember, one of the core values of the right is distrust of civil government not worrying about whose in charge of it. Thanks to the left's worry about whose in charge, now many of the right worry about whose in charge of the civil government. Soon, we'll be able to take charge and both Republicrats and Demipubs will tremble.

[Air Force Cane]

I could post link after link to articles lambasting this film for its overt Christian bashing and conservative hysteria mongering.

it is lame- and guess what? the box office opening was "dissapointing" according to the Hollywood producers of the movie :laugh:

[The Evil Genius]

It made almost 1/2 of its costs back (in the US alone) in its first week. It's going to make a huge profit - hardly disappointing.

As for it being anti-christian - it was written by a practicing magician - hardly suprising, y'know.

;)

[JWB]

Yes and our plan is working very nicely. Foolishly, the left keeps attacking Bush for his left wing antics making the right love him more. Remember, one of the core values of the right is distrust of civil government not worrying about whose in charge of it. Thanks to the left's worry about whose in charge, now many of the right worry about whose in charge of the civil government. Soon, we'll be able to take charge and both Republicrats and Demipubs will tremble.

uhh...I'm not sure if this is serious or not but damn dude you're scaring the **** out of me.. :insane:


Also, I saw the movie and I loved it. I agree that the only way people would really see this as anti-bush/anti-catholic is if they really went into the movie looking at it that way. It definitely could have been better, but for the rumored 40 mil that it cost, this was a great film.

[The Evil Genius]

V for Vendetta was/is anti-Thatcherism. While Thatcherism is closely related to Reaganomics - it's still worlds apart from the US under Dubya.

[DarkLadyRaven]

I could post link after link to articles lambasting this film for its overt Christian bashing and conservative hysteria mongering.

it is lame- and guess what? the box office opening was "dissapointing" according to the Hollywood producers of the movie :laugh:

Its a rated R film-- not too many families see this type of thing. I generally dont use the american public as a gaudge because the most watched show on tv is American Idol(says alot about the american public right there, and its not good)

EDIT: Sin City rocked hard but its not liked by the general public, Japanese Anime rocks but it does not earn alot in major theaters in america

Like I said my mother does not like anything challenging-- I think the public is like that.

Why do you think Crime and Punishment and other classics do not sell as well as Harry Potter

[Mr. Nostril]

I just got back from seeing it. I had the same reaction to it as I had to The Big Lewbowski and Kill Bill. It was good, but it was a mess. If it had cleaned itself up and congealed into a film with tighter, more coherent point it could have been really great. But as it is, it's a mess. A pretty interesting mess, but still a mess

However, I don't feel it had as much potential as the previous movies I mentioned. After realizing it's full potential, I still don't see V for Vendetta being a really wonderful movie. It's more cool than it is good.

I do think it's all too political. IMO, the best distopian stories focus on a limited view of someone living within a world, that obviously has a corrupt political process, but has very little to do with actually seeing aspects of that process unfold. You saw way too much of those 4 guys talking to the big TV with the Alien chest guy(what a boring set), and people in offices working on dell's. Movies like this are supposed to be a feast for the eyes.

[footballhenry]

I just got back from seeing it. I had the same reaction to it as I had to The Big Lewbowski and Kill Bill. It was good, but it was a mess. If it had cleaned itself up and congealed into a film with tighter, more coherent point it could have been really great. But as it is, it's a mess. A pretty interesting mess, but still a mess

However, I don't feel it had as much potential as the previous movies I mentioned. After realizing it's full potential, I still don't see V for Vendetta being a really wonderful movie. It's more cool than it is good.

I do think it's all too political. IMO, the best distopian stories focus on a limited view of someone living within a world, that obviously has a corrupt political process, but has very little to do with actually seeing aspects of that process unfold. You saw way too much of those 4 guys talking to the big TV with the Alien chest guy(what a boring set), and people in offices working on dell's. Movies like this are supposed to be a feast for the eyes.

sheesh way to bring down the positive feedback ;)

Personally I liked it alot, really really good film. Hugo Weaving is such a damn good actor, awesome voice too (lloooved the 'V' words/speech near the beginning). Course it could have been better, but overall a really good thought-provoking film. Probably 8.4/10 for me. :)

[Mr. Nostril]

yeah, but I really did like it.

People have just already mentioned alot of the good things.

[Darth Tater]

To those who read the graphic novel and have seen the movie:

Moore complained that the story was too much about the so-called neo-cons (which intrestingly enough, has its roots in leftist ideology) versus modern US leftists as opposed to facists versus anarchist. Did you get that feeling? Of course, the neo-cons are closer to facists than anything else on the right.

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

I do think it's all too political. IMO, the best distopian stories focus on a limited view of someone living within a world, that obviously has a corrupt political process, but has very little to do with actually seeing aspects of that process unfold. You saw way too much of those 4 guys talking to the big TV with the Alien chest guy(what a boring set), and people in offices working on dell's.

That's a good point about it being more of a view of the government from the outside, than of life under the oppresive government from someone on the inside. You do see it a little bit from Evey's view though. Especially the scenes where she's under the bed, which I thought were pretty powerful scenes. Good call on Sutler being the guy from Alien too! I forgot about that.



Movies like this are supposed to be a feast for the eyes.

Dominos.

[elkabong82]

If they placed the setting in the U.S.A. I think the movie would have been very tired.

Which leads to the question; could something like this happen in the land of liberty?
Maybe something already has...

[elkabong82]

I liked V for Vendetta, but I felt the movie overplayed certain points and underplayed other points as well. The movie seemed a little "scrambled" to me, needed more focus. Altogether, I understood the overall message, and I understood how that world came to be. Both of those points seemed realistic enough for me.

[Who Del]

Just got back from the movie. In a word: It was awesome. I recommend seeing it. I have nothing else to add :)

[Mr. Nostril]

Just got back from the movie. In a word: It was awesome. I recommend seeing it. I have nothing else to add :)
"It was awesome. I recommend seeing it" is 7 words. But I understand how you got confused. It is only one set of 7 words, and you know, like there's 7 days in a week. You could see 7 words, see the week as a whole, and think it was just one word. But it's a whole week!

[Who Del]

"It was awesome. I recommend seeing it" is 7 words. But I understand how you got confused. It is only one set of 7 words, and you know, like there's 7 days in a week. You could see 7 words, see the week as a whole, and think it was just one word. But it's a whole week!

Ok.

.......

[skinfan13]

If they placed the setting in the U.S.A. I think the movie would have been very tired.

Which leads to the question; could something like this happen in the land of liberty? not likely, the people wouldnt alow it, as soilders, marines, sailors and airmen, we take oaths to the constitution, not the government so i dont see realisticaly how the military would defend a tyrant i know i would jump on the resistance first thing if some dictator came around in america.

[Mr. Nostril]

not likely, the people wouldnt alow it, as soilders, marines, sailors and airmen, we take oaths to the constitution, not the government so i dont see realisticaly how the military would defend a tyrant i know i would jump on the resistance first thing if some dictator came around in america.
Yeah, but I'm sure this tyrant would make it very hard on people who opposed him. I don't think there's enough people with an iron enough will to form a resistance that couldn't easily be dealt with.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

To those who read the graphic novel and have seen the movie:



Have not read the graphic novel for V, but did for the Watchmen. I am NOT easily offended and in Watchmen it's the ultra-right wing (seeming) Rorscach that is the real hero (or maybe I saw it that way) so I'm not one who sees anti-whatever conspiracies everywhere.

However, I scratched my head at Moore's (and Pink Floyd's) choice of fascist villains. I don't think of Thatcher, neoliberal economics and then think FASCISM. And it reveals a kind of lack of foresight?? to think that the direction Britain or Europe was headed in was arch-Christian totalitarianism. It's as if men like Moore are totally blindsided by the completely different form of oppression ushered in by things like the EU, hyper-political correctness, bureucratic demolition of democratic national institutions and sovereignty, etc.

I guess I'm criticizing the link Moore drew between the government in his country at the time (Thatcher worse than Blair and how fargone curtailment of liberties has progressed in Britain, in general, regardless of party?) and his vision of the future. Makes it somewhat unrealistic and calls into question what EXACTLY it is that the writer views as 'evil.'

----As for what could happen here? LOL. Since the beginning it's been a see-saw battle but while the US may be unique in many ways, that quality does not render us immune. That TYPE of totalitarian government represented in V? That may not be our future. More of an eternal busybody nanny state prone to fits of violent and terrible rage.

[skinfan13]

Yeah, but I'm sure this tyrant would make it very hard on people who opposed him. I don't think there's enough people with an iron enough will to form a resistance that couldn't easily be dealt with. alot of soilders and marines would form a resistance against a totalitarian leader, trust me, but thats if the military folowed him. in order for him to make it hard on people who opose him, he needs some kind of force, and it wouldnt be commin from me or my beloved corps!

[Winslowalrob]

Have not read the graphic novel for V, but did for the Watchmen. I am NOT easily offended and in Watchmen it's the ultra-right wing (seeming) Rorscach that is the real hero (or maybe I saw it that way) so I'm not one who sees anti-whatever conspiracies everywhere.

However, I scratched my head at Moore's (and Pink Floyd's) choice of fascist villains. I don't think of Thatcher, neoliberal economics and then think FASCISM. And it reveals a kind of lack of foresight?? to think that the direction Britain or Europe was headed in was arch-Christian totalitarianism. It's as if men like Moore are totally blindsided by the completely different form of oppression ushered in by things like the EU, hyper-political correctness, bureucratic demolition of democratic national institutions and sovereignty, etc.

I guess I'm criticizing the link Moore drew between the government in his country at the time (Thatcher worse than Blair and how fargone curtailment of liberties has progressed in Britain, in general, regardless of party?) and his vision of the future. Makes it somewhat unrealistic and calls into question what EXACTLY it is that the writer views as 'evil.'

----As for what could happen here? LOL. Since the beginning it's been a see-saw battle but while the US may be unique in many ways, that quality does not render us immune. That TYPE of totalitarian government represented in V? That may not be our future. More of an eternal busybody nanny state prone to fits of violent and terrible rage.

Rorsarch was not THE hero in my view (He was one of many, the watchmen gave the right AND left heroes), and the ultra right newspaper was mos def the bad guy in the Watchmen (I love how Moore drew that up as an unrealistic caricature back in the day and now a paper like that would be mainstream right wing, but I digress). No totalitarian state is all that far-fetched, anyone that believes it could never happen is kind of naive. I think it is pretty unlikely, but the one thing about history is that you can never predict the future.

I think the opposite of you; I think its pretty blind not to see the threat of oppression from an ultra-christian fascist state. However, you have to admit that for Moore to write an unrealistic novel 20 years ago and some people think that it hits "too close to home" (often times denouncing it in the process) does make one raise an eyebrow

[mboyd784]

not likely, the people wouldnt alow it, as soilders, marines, sailors and airmen, we take oaths to the constitution, not the government so i dont see realisticaly how the military would defend a tyrant i know i would jump on the resistance first thing if some dictator came around in america.

Damn straight! On behalf of the millions of private sector, landowner, arms-bearing, patriotic US citizens, I would like to emphatically endorse this sentiment.

It's nice to see we agree on some things 13.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Rorsarch was not THE hero in my view (He was one of many, the watchmen gave the right AND left heroes)

I think its pretty blind not to see the threat of oppression from an ultra-christian fascist state, some people think that it hits "too close to home" (often times denouncing it in the process) does make one raise an eyebrow

The only Watchman that went against Ozymandius' plot was Rorschach, hence my belief that he is the only true hero. The others weren't necessarily evil, but the idea was terribly evil and quite the exercise in the thinking that Stalin conveyed with "1 death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic."

As for being blind--hardly. I'm not saying there is no conceivable threat (though I believe strongly that you overestimate it, ESP for a country like Britain) but instead of talking about what is 'possible' I like to talk about what is probable. For Moore to feel that Thatcher was somehow the beginning (or the spark) for his vision of 'a future' just seems odd to me.

Basically, where we are NOW and where I would have guessed we would be even in the early 90s, is NOT what Moore envisioned and I have to think that part of the reason for that is that what Moore believes to be evil is often something associated with what he believes is the 'right.'

His vision may apply a little more here because of our religious history as a nation, but even when the society really WAS oriented towards Christianity, you didn't typically see the mass political totalitarian and authoritarian movements we see from secular ideologies (or faiths, if you will.)

I'm not surprised that you think opposite of me but having actually spent time in corporate America and on college campuses, I don't see how anyone really believes the coming oppression will wear a Christian face.

I believe these visions often involve the most extreme and caricatured notions of their enemies' ideologies. Because these forms of government find their origin in different areas of the 'spectrum' and many writers/artists know a little history, they will hit the mark, of course, on a few elements. But I often find they miss the bigger picture.

A person who points out the inherent danger of government, in GENERAL, and illustrates the evils of the State will do much more credit to their cause than one who merely wishes to refer, cheaply, back to Hitler or who wishes to clothe their antagonists in the garb of their current political opponents.

[Darth Tater]

As far as upholding the consititution, the POTUS swears to uphold it but none have at least in my lifetime.

[SouthernCali Skins]

I just saw the movie yesterday night... I was surprised.
I had no idea what the movie was about before seating down.
In the begining, it's political theme seemed boring, but as the movie progressed, it got very exciting.

the music was really great, those demolitions were really exciting.

i dont remember the correct lines;) but

remember remember, the 5th of november :laugh:

ps... when the girl who was spray painting got shot while wearing her mask, that sucked;) but i was a little relieved when i saw her take her mask as one of the poeple marching in the end. :laugh: *i thought she had died but still managed to walk with everyone and witness the parliament demolition.*

V's final attack on the soldiers was good.

Natalie portman's school girl outfit was too dies for :cheers: