N. Korea Suggests It Can Strike U.S. First

[herrmag]

Did a search, didn't see it posted.

:doh: Just like TO, Kim Jong can't help but seek out the spotlight. Click the link and check out his pic. It's "so classic". :laugh:

"I'm so ronery".....(Team America, anyone?)


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060321/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_us


SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea suggested Tuesday it had the ability to launch a pre-emptive attack on the United States, according to the North's official news agency. A Foreign Ministry spokesman said the North had built atomic weapons to counter the U.S. nuclear threat.


"As we declared, our strong revolutionary might put in place all measures to counter possible U.S. pre-emptive strike," the spokesman said, according to the Korean Central News Agency. "Pre-emptive strike is not the monopoly of the United States."

Last week, the communist country warned that it had the right to launch a pre-emptive strike, saying it would strengthen its war footing before joint South Korea-U.S. military exercises scheduled for this weekend."

[SkinInsite]

Wow, Bono aged horribly since i last saw him in concert.

[Kilmer17]

That's great it starts with an earthquake........

[heyholetsgogrant]

Didn't Kim Jong stroke a 5 in golf?

-Grant

[SkinInsite]

Didn't Kim Jong stroke a 5 in golf?

-Grant

Maybe we can compromise and give him an exemption to the Masters.

[jpillian]

Didn't Kim Jong stroke a 5 in golf?

-Grant

Goes along with his deity status. Naturally.

[Air Force Cane]

wait until Iran gets the bomb and we have ICBM's targeted on New York City..

[Midnight Judges]

Sure they can strike us first if they want to die.

[DCsportsfan53]

We don't need to worry about them and their silly "nukes". We've got nonexistant WMDs and a ragged out dictator in Iraq to take care of :doh: At least the Iraqi war wasn't political or oil based or anything like that, we just needed to have our military spread all over hell to help fight civil wars.

[SkinsBry]

It's March, that means it's time for Operation Team Spirit. I did it back in 1993 and North Korea talked ***** when I was over there back then. Every year is Team Spirit, a joint forces exercise and every year during T/S North Korea builds up the border.

[Henry]

Didn't Kim Jong stroke a 5 in golf?

Yeah, right after he invented the Sandwich.

[heyholetsgogrant]

Yeah, right after he invented the Sandwich.

I know its not true, it was propaganda comming out of Pyongyang....it was on tony K's show last year and they made fun of it.


-Grant

[Stophovr6]

Didn't Kim Jong stroke a 5 in golf?

-Grant

Uuuhhhh huh huh huh huh huuh huh huhu.....You thed thtroke...huh huh huhuh...
http://www.crabsodyinblue.com/butthead.jpg

[Who Del]

Kim Jong needs to release a rap song dissing the US.

"The haters said I wouldn't get the bomb, I'm laughing in your face, Ha ha, that's funny!!!"

[Sarge]

Did somebody say something?

[nelms]

This is getting out of hand with Iran and now North Korea. I would be in total support of a pre-emptive nuclear strike against North Korea, Iran, and Syria. Hell, we should do it on the same day and at the same time.

[rincewind]

This is getting out of hand with Iran and now North Korea. I would be in total support of a pre-emptive nuclear strike against North Korea, Iran, and Syria. Hell, we should do it on the same day and at the same time.


And that would make us better than them how?

[nelms]

And that would make us better than them how?
This makes US safer. I have some change if you want to buy a clue.

[Fergasun]

Well yeah...

I could hit "The Rock" with a rubber band... but he'll Rock Bottom me to China...

Doesn't mean I should go around and say "I can launch an attack on Dwayne Johnson..."

[rincewind]

This makes US safer. I have some change if you want to buy a clue.


I understand - but if you're giving money away...


What i don't get is why its o.k. for us to use pre-emptive nuclear strikes to make ourselves safe, yet when they say they want to do the SAME THING we treat them like a bunch of monsters.



Note: this has nothing to do with their human rights practices.

[nelms]

I understand - but if you're giving money away...


What i don't get is why its o.k. for us to use pre-emptive nuclear strikes to make ourselves safe, yet when they say they want to do the SAME THING we treat them like a bunch of monsters.



Note: this has nothing to do with their human rights practices.
If you're trying to compare us to them, then you've already lost the argument. Last time I checked, we don't starve millions of our own people to death.

What I don't get is why people like you don't want to protect your own people against monsters like North Korea and Iran.

[rincewind]

If you're trying to compare us to them, then you've already lost the argument. Last time I checked, we don't starve millions of our own people to death.

As i said - i'm not talking about their Human Rights practices, only about nuclear capibilities.




What I don't get is why people like you don't want to protect your own people against monsters like North Korea and Iran.


I do, what i don't get is why people like you don't understand that they feel the exact same way and feel that a preemptive strike against America is defending their people.

[nelms]

I do, what i don't get is why people like you don't understand that they feel the exact same way and feel that a preemptive strike against America is defending their people.
Yeah, let's just cower in the corner and hope that North Korea and Iran don't follow through with their threats. :rolleyes:

[rincewind]

Yeah, let's just cower in the corner and hope that North Korea and Iran don't follow through with their threats. :rolleyes:


Did I say that?


And you're still not answering my question: We say they're horrible because they have nuclear capibilities that they threaten us with; yet you want us to do the same thing. So in this game, how are we any better than them?

[nelms]

Did I say that?


And you're still not answering my question: We say they're horrible because they have nuclear capibilities that they threaten us with; yet you want us to do the same thing. So in this game, how are we any better than them?
Because we don't routinely torture and starve millions of our own people. You can't discount that as you tried earlier. He doesn't care about his own people, why should he worry about the consequences of a nuclear attack against us.

Something needs to be done about Iran and North Korea. Israel will take care of Iran. It will be up to us to take out North Korea. A conventional war against their million man army will cost thousands and thousands of American lives. We have a nuclear arsenal at our disposal, so let's use it. It eliminates the problem and saves thousands of American lives.

[rincewind]

Because we don't routinely torture and starve millions of our own people. You can't discount that as you tried earlier. He doesn't care about his own people, why should he worry about the consequences of a nuclear attack against us.

Something needs to be done about Iran and North Korea. Israel will take care of Iran. It will be up to us to take out North Korea. A conventional war against their million man army will cost thousands and thousands of American lives. We have a nuclear arsenal at our disposal, so let's use it. It eliminates the problem and saves thousands of American lives.


But you're suggesting wiping an entire country of the map (3 actually). What is the point of being up in arms about the way they treat their people if we're just going to blow them all up?

I know it is hard, but try to seperate the human rights issue from the nuclear arms issue. They view us as an aggressor (rightfully so - not saying anything about the justification of attacking Irag, but we were the aggressor). So in their mind's they feel they may need to pre-emptively attack us so that we don't turn our aggression on them; something we have hinted that we may do.

Personally, i think something should be done about their human rights 'standards' but i just don't think blowing up the country is the right idea.

[nelms]

But you're suggesting wiping an entire country of the map (3 actually). What is the point of being up in arms about the way they treat their people if we're just going to blow them all up?

I know it is hard, but try to seperate the human rights issue from the nuclear arms issue. They view us as an aggressor (rightfully so - not saying anything about the justification of attacking Irag, but we were the aggressor). So in their mind's they feel they may need to pre-emptively attack us so that we don't turn our aggression on them; something we have hinted that we may do.

Personally, i think something should be done about their human rights 'standards' but i just don't think blowing up the country is the right idea.
Wow, you actually can sit there and reason why they want to attack us.

I wouldn't wipe out those countries entirely, especially Iran and Syria because of the valueable oil. It would be a strategic nuclear attack on all 3 countries, targeting their nuclear facilites and their major military sites.

[rincewind]

Wow, you actually can sit there and reason why they want to attack us.




You can't? Its called objectivity. I love my country, but i don't for a second believe we are some innocent character that is simply trying to police the world.

[Destino]

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/travel/dg/maps/67/750x750_asia_m.gif

See where NK is? That should tell you why we can't just go and nuke them. Their neighbors will likely take issue - China won't want nukes going off, South Korea won't want to be nuked, Russia isn't going to be happy either, and who knows what Japan thinks.

[nelms]

You can't? Its called objectivity. I love my country, but i don't for a second believe we are some innocent character that is simply trying to police the world.
It's called protecting your own people. No different than if someone threatened a family member. You nip it in the bud. You don't cower is some corner and wait to be attacked. Liberals and left wing hand wringers cower in the face of a threat. It's a proven fact.

[Sarge]

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/travel/dg/maps/67/750x750_asia_m.gif

See where NK is? That should tell you why we can't just go and nuke them. Their neighbors will likely take issue - China won't want nukes going off, South Korea won't want to be nuked, Russia isn't going to be happy either, and who knows what Japan thinks.

Neutron baby! Neutron.

None of that nasty fallout

[herrmag]

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/travel/dg/maps/67/750x750_asia_m.gif

See where NK is? That should tell you why we can't just go and nuke them. Their neighbors will likely take issue - China won't want nukes going off, South Korea won't want to be nuked, Russia isn't going to be happy either, and who knows what Japan thinks.

If it took out N Korea, I don't think Japan would mind too much. ;)

[Destino]

Neutron baby! Neutron.

None of that nasty falloutI thought those were outlawed?

[SkinInsite]

If it took out N Korea, I don't think Japan would mind too much. ;)

Not with the wind patterns. All the fallout would be blown to Japan.

[nelms]

If it took out N Korea, I don't think Japan would mind too much. ;)
Quite frankly, I don't think Russia or China would mind either. This Kim Jong dude has a screw lose and he could just as easily turn against them.

[nelms]

Not with the wind patterns. All the fallout would be blown to Japan.
Nuclear fallout is overrated. It would never make it to Japan, not even close.

[Stophovr6]

It's called protecting your own people. No different than if someone threatened a family member. You nip it in the bud. You don't cower is some corner and wait to be attacked. Liberals and left wing hand wringers cower in the face of a threat. It's a proven fact.

It's called mutual destruction. Even if those we nuke don't have the capabilty to nuke us back in time, someone else will do it. I assure you of that. So you aren't in fact protect yourself, your family, or your country. You are in fact putting them in grteater danger. I understand it is impossible for you to comprehend this, so in a way I feel sorry for you. But on the other hand, I realize your trembling hand isn't on the button, so I don't care to feel sorry for you.

[nelms]

It's called mutual destruction. Even if those we nuke don't have the capabilty to nuke us back in time, someone else will do it. I assure you of that. So you aren't in fact protect yourself, your family, or your country. You are in fact putting them in grteater danger. I understand it is impossible for you to comprehend this, so in a way I feel sorry for you. But on the other hand, I realize your trembling hand isn't on the button, so I don't care to feel sorry for you.
That's why liberalism is called a "mental disease". Your post is a prime example of someone that would rather cower in a corner than protect yourself. Did you get bullied in school?

[rincewind]

It's called protecting your own people. No different than if someone threatened a family member. You nip it in the bud. You don't cower is some corner and wait to be attacked. Liberals and left wing hand wringers cower in the face of a threat. It's a proven fact.


Did i ever say we should cower? Hell, i never even said we shouldn't strike first. Therefore, your arguement if fundamentally flawed.


But for the sake of discussion lets say i did say we shouldn't attack. Don't we have ways of preventing weapons from making it to our shores?

[rincewind]

That's why liberalism is called a "mental disease". Your post is a prime example of someone that would rather cower in a corner than protect yourself. Did you get bullied in school?



Who, besides you and other conservatives, called liberalism a 'mental disease'.


Link?

[Sarge]

I thought those were outlawed?

Just one of those thoughts that keeps me warm at night.

Actually, all we have to do is stop feeding them. Then they're done. That, or we could sneak a nuke into the country, set it off near one of their "secret" facilities and just say, "Oh look, they must have been messing around with nukes and accidentally set one off" :D

See how easy that is?

[SkinInsite]

Nuclear fallout is overrated. It would never make it to Japan, not even close.

Fallout from Chernobyl was blown across Europe. I would say it's a big deal.

[Stophovr6]

That's why liberalism is called a "mental disease". Your post is a prime example of someone that would rather cower in a corner than protect yourself. Did you get bullied in school?

Never got bullied in school.

And either way, where in my post did I suggest being passive about the situation?

[nelms]

Fallout from Chernobyl was blown across Europe. I would say it's a big deal.

Oh it was? How many deaths did it cause in Europe from this? Do you have a link that can back this up?

[rincewind]

That's why liberalism is called a "mental disease". Your post is a prime example of someone that would rather cower in a corner than protect yourself. Did you get bullied in school?


Never got bullied in school.


I did - granted i didn't become liberal until late in high school, well after people stopped bullying me. So there goes that theory. :rolleyes:

[Prosperity]

This is getting out of hand with Iran and now North Korea. I would be in total support of a pre-emptive nuclear strike against North Korea, Iran, and Syria. Hell, we should do it on the same day and at the same time.
Why stop at Syria, Iran, and North Korea?

While you are at it you might as well pre-emptively strike every non American on the planet.

God bless American :thumbsup:



:laugh:

[rincewind]

Why stop at Syria, Iran, and North Korea?

While you are at it you might as well pre-emptively strike every non American on the planet.

God bless American :thumbsup:



:laugh:


Hey, lets not forget the liberal gays in San Fran. :cheers:

[nelms]

But for the sake of discussion lets say i did say we shouldn't attack. Don't we have ways of preventing weapons from making it to our shores?
We don't have a way to shoot down an InterContinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM). That is Kim Jong and Iran's ultimate goal - to launch a nuclear missile from within their country that could reach the U.S. Remember, it was you liberals that shot down Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative.

[Kilmer17]

Just one of those thoughts that keeps me warm at night.

Actually, all we have to do is stop feeding them. Then they're done. That, or we could sneak a nuke into the country, set it off near one of their "secret" facilities and just say, "Oh look, they must have been messing around with nukes and accidentally set one off" :D

See how easy that is?


So why dont we?

One of my biggest beefs with Bush is that he hasnt been ENOUGH of a hawk. NK should have been dealt with by now. And not with troops. So save the "well we could if we werent in Iraq" excuse.

We should have cut him off and sent in the sniper teams.

[nelms]

Why stop at Syria, Iran, and North Korea?

While you are at it you might as well pre-emptively strike every non American on the planet.

God bless American :thumbsup:



:laugh:
Nah, I think we should stick to countries that have publicly announced that they want to completely destroy America and/or Israel.

[Stophovr6]

Oh it was? How many deaths did it cause in Europe from this? Do you have a link that can back this up?

The effects of the accident

See main article: The effects of the Chernobyl Accident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_accident_effects) [/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chernobyl_medal.gif"]http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chernobyl_medal.gif)
Soviet medal awarded to liquidators.


The plume of radioactive debris was equal to 400 hiroshima bombs. The workers involved in the recovery and cleanup after the accident received high doses of radiation. According to Soviet estimates, between 300,000 and 600,000 people were involved in the cleanup of the 30 km evacuation zone around the reactor, but many of them entered the zone two years after the accident. [3] (http://www.nea.fr/html/rp/chernobyl/c04.html)

Some children in the contaminated areas were exposed to high radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation) doses of up to 50 grays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_%28unit%29) (Gy) because of an intake of radioactive iodine-131 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine), a relatively short-lived isotope with a half-life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life) of 8 days, from contaminated milk produced locally. Several studies have found that the incidence of thyroid cancer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroid_cancer) among children in Belyorussia, Ukraine and Russia has risen sharply. So far, no increase in leukemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leukemia) is discernible, but this is expected to be evident in the next few years along with a greater, though not statistically discernible, incidence of other cancers. There has been no substantiated increase attributable to Chernobyl in congenital abnormalities, adverse pregnancy outcomes or any other radiation-induced disease in the general population, either in the contaminated areas or further afield.

[Prosperity]

Nah, I think we should stick to countries that have publicly announced that they want to completely destroy America and/or Israel.

Why did you include Israel?

[Destino]

That's why liberalism is called a "mental disease". Your post is a prime example of someone that would rather cower in a corner than protect yourself. Did you get bullied in school?Aren't you the one that wanted to go into Walmart with a gun because the guy at the door was saying "Happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". I just wanted to check on that before commenting further on your opinions concerning "mental disease".

:)

[Prosperity]

Hey, lets not forget the liberal gays in San Fran. :cheers:

And TAXachussettes, or DEM LIBRULS in general

[Air Force Cane]

Nelms is in fine form today :notworthy nice work brother.

Why don't we just put some of these leftists from Extremeskins in charge of the Department of Defense?

I for one would sleep much better at night knowing they are protecting the country..

[nelms]

The effects of the accident

See main article: The effects of the Chernobyl Accident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_accident_effects) [/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chernobyl_medal.gif"]http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chernobyl_medal.gif)
Soviet medal awarded to liquidators.


The plume of radioactive debris was equal to 400 hiroshima bombs. The workers involved in the recovery and cleanup after the accident received high doses of radiation. According to Soviet estimates, between 300,000 and 600,000 people were involved in the cleanup of the 30 km evacuation zone around the reactor, but many of them entered the zone two years after the accident. [3] (http://www.nea.fr/html/rp/chernobyl/c04.html)

Some children in the contaminated areas were exposed to high radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation) doses of up to 50 grays (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_%28unit%29) (Gy) because of an intake of radioactive iodine-131 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine), a relatively short-lived isotope with a half-life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life) of 8 days, from contaminated milk produced locally. Several studies have found that the incidence of thyroid cancer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroid_cancer) among children in Belyorussia, Ukraine and Russia has risen sharply. So far, no increase in leukemia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leukemia) is discernible, but this is expected to be evident in the next few years along with a greater, though not statistically discernible, incidence of other cancers. There has been no substantiated increase attributable to Chernobyl in congenital abnormalities, adverse pregnancy outcomes or any other radiation-induced disease in the general population, either in the contaminated areas or further afield.
Where does this say that the radioactive fallout killed people in Europe, as you intimated in your earlier post? Did you also notice the article said the Chernobyl debris was equal to 400 Hiroshima bombs? We could cripple and stop North Korea's nuclear program with much less. I'd figure one of our lowest grade nuclear bombs would do the job. Everyone would win - no more Kim Jong Nutjob and we would ultimately save many North Korean and American lives by avoiding a conventional war.

[rincewind]

Nelms is in fine form today :notworthy nice work brother.

Why don't we just put some of these leftists from Extremeskins in charge of the Department of Defense?

I for one would sleep much better at night knowing they are protecting the country..


Nice work? Doing what, avoiding my question as to how a pre-emptive nuclear strike makes us any better?

[rincewind]

Fallout from Chernobyl was blown across Europe. I would say it's a big deal.



Oh it was? How many deaths did it cause in Europe from this? Do you have a link that can back this up?


Where does this say that the radioactive fallout killed people in Europe, as you intimated in your earlier post? Did you also notice the article said the Chernobyl debris was equal to 400 Hiroshima bombs? We could cripple and stop North Korea's nuclear program with much less. I'd figure one of our lowest grade nuclear bombs would do the job. Everyone would win - no more Kim Jong Nutjob and we would ultimately save many North Korean and American lives by avoiding a conventional war.

Actually, he just said it was a 'big deal' - you brought up the death issue.

[Predicto]

That's why liberalism is called a "mental disease". Your post is a prime example of someone that would rather cower in a corner than protect yourself. Did you get bullied in school?

Are you even capable of writing a post that isn't hostile and offensive?

[Stophovr6]

Where does this say that the radioactive fallout killed people in Europe, as you intimated in your earlier post? Did you also notice the article said the Chernobyl debris was equal to 400 Hiroshima bombs? We could cripple and stop North Korea's nuclear program with much less. I'd figure one of our lowest grade nuclear bombs would do the job. Everyone would win - no more Kim Jong Nutjob and we would ultimately save many North Korean and American lives by avoiding a conventional war.


I never said radioactive fallout killed people in europe. You're thinking of someone else. Read up on thyroid cancer if you want, i'm not going to do research for you.

[Stophovr6]

Are you even capable of writing a post that isn't hostile and offensive?

To be fair I started with him. Furthermore, I take no offense to what he said.:2cents:

[rincewind]

I never said radioactive fallout killed people in europe. You're thinking of someone else. Read up on thyroid cancer if you want, i'm not going to do research for you.


He was thinking of himself evidentally.



Oh it was? How many deaths did it cause in Europe from this? Do you have a link that can back this up?

[nelms]

Are you even capable of writing a post that isn't hostile and offensive?
Are you even capable of writing a post that isn't whiny and bitchy?

[Predicto]

Are you even capable of writing a post that isn't whiny and bitchy?

Thanks for answering my question, friend.

[nelms]

Thanks for answering my question, friend.
I'm not your friend and you're not a mod, so butt out.

[Predicto]

To be fair I started with him. Furthermore, I take no offense to what he said.:2cents:

Fair enough, even though much of what he said was not directed at you personally.

[SkinInsite]

Oh it was? How many deaths did it cause in Europe from this? Do you have a link that can back this up?

Here's a nice picture of the plume.

http://www.chernobyl.com/chern6.gif

A couple of bombs may not cause as big a fallout, there's still is a health concern. Who knows how many children are affect. In Soviet bloc countries they don't generally like to give out bad news. You think they won't be worried in Japan, where they despise nuclear weapons.

[luckydevil]

Nelms is in fine form today :notworthy nice work brother.

Why don't we just put some of these leftists from Extremeskins in charge of the Department of Defense?

I for one would sleep much better at night knowing they are protecting the country..

You would love me

While, I am not a leftist, I would cut the DOD budget by at least 75%( I am pretty sure that most of the leftists and liberals on this site would be very uncomfortable with this proposal).

[nelms]

You would love me

While, I am not a leftist, I would cut the DOD budget by at least 75%( I am pretty sure that most of the leftists and liberals on this site would be very uncomfortable with this proposal).
That is a ridiculous proposition. You obviously have no clue on what it takes to defend this country.

[luckydevil]

That is a ridiculous proposition.


says the guy who wants to nuke the Middle East

[Brad_Edwards_Fan]

That is a ridiculous proposition. You obviously have no clue on what it takes to defend this country.


is anyone else feeling a "you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall..." comin on?

[rincewind]

is anyone else feeling a "you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall..." comin on?




I'll tell you what - i am personally in complete shock and amazement, who knew Brad Edwards had fans? :laugh:

[Brad_Edwards_Fan]

I'll tell you what - i am personally in complete shock and amazement, who knew Brad Edwards had fans? :laugh:


at one of those "meet the skins" type events when I was like 10 or 11 i was fighting a crowd looking for an autograph (getting pushed around pretty good), I didn't get the autograph before the people were done signing (Monte Coleman and Charles Mann if my memory serves) and I must have looked pretty pathetic. As I was walking away he walked over and said he would get a couple autographs for me if I gave him my address....about a week later I got a ball in the mail with 20-30 sigs on it.

From then on he was my favorite.

[rincewind]

at one of those "meet the skins" type events when I was like 10 or 11 i was fighting a crowd looking for an autograph (getting pushed around pretty good), I didn't get the autograph before the people were done signing (Monte Coleman and Charles Mann if my memory serves) and I must have looked pretty pathetic. As I was walking away he walked over and said he would get a couple autographs for me if I gave him my address....about a week later I got a ball in the mail with 20-30 sigs on it.

From then on he was my favorite.





:applause: Great story! Way to go Brad!

[Thiebear]

We don't have a way to shoot down an InterContinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM). That is Kim Jong and Iran's ultimate goal - to launch a nuclear missile from within their country that could reach the U.S. Remember, it was you liberals that shot down Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative.

Actually we can shoot ICBM's out of the sky.. And again your Pre-emptive nuke strategy is lacking in foresight..

IF we as a Nation pre-emptively killed entire Nations like Iran (who can an may overthrow their own government) and North Korea (which will get taken down due to it being a disease upon itself).. AND know we are not really at any risk that conventional means couldnt fix..

The planet would sanction us and we would become Europe as the Euro replaced the dollar in every country in the would.. We would then have the 20+% Unemployment and be forced to go Healthcare etc.. It would ruin us....

Not everything is by Nuking 1st as you keep stating and Yes I listen to Michael Savage and Rush and Glenn Beck etc...

If you really thought it through you would see that we shot our trust in Iraq so we have no pre-emptive power right now... We may in a year or two when more facts come out and if Iraq goes the way it should... but till then..

chill baby... its all good, NK couldnt reach us if they were 100yds from shore with the ass on fire...

[nelms]

Actually we can shoot ICBM's out of the sky.. And again your Pre-emptive nuke strategy is lacking in foresight..

IF we as a Nation pre-emptively killed entire Nations like Iran (who can an may overthrow their own government) and North Korea (which will get taken down due to it being a disease upon itself).. AND know we are not really at any risk that conventional means couldnt fix..

The planet would sanction us and we would become Europe as the Euro replaced the dollar in every country in the would.. We would then have the 20+% Unemployment and be forced to go Healthcare etc.. It would ruin us....

Not everything is by Nuking 1st as you keep stating and Yes I listen to Michael Savage and Rush and Glenn Beck etc...

If you really thought it through you would see that we shot our trust in Iraq so we have no pre-emptive power right now... We may in a year or two when more facts come out and if Iraq goes the way it should... but till then..

chill baby... its all good, NK couldnt reach us if they were 100yds from shore with the ass on fire...
I respect your opinion Thiebear. But, you're wrong on several accounts.

First, what technology today allows us to effectively shoot down an ICBM? The Strategic Defense Initiative was shot down by the libs even before it could get off the ground (notice my play on words). Our attempts at conventional surface-to-air missile defense has proven completely unreliable, both in testing and in real life events (remember the Patriot missile defense, which was on a much smaller scale).

Second, nowhere in this thread did I advocate "pre-emptively killing entire Nations like Iran". I am adovcating a strategic nuclear strike against North Korea's and Iran's nuclear facilities, as well as any of their major military installations. The goal wouldn't be to wipe out their entire civiilization, but to render useless their ability to strike us with their WMD's (that includes not only nuclear weapons, but chemical and biological ones too).

Finally, your comment "NK couldnt reach us if they were 100yds from shore with the ass on fire" may be true TODAY. I'm not so concerned today, I'm concerned about a year from now, two years from now, when North Korea has that capability. You also said "know we are not really at any risk that conventional means couldnt fix.." What conventional means are you talking about. Diplomatic solution with NK? A conventional war with NK? Come on, who do you think we're dealing with, someone rational?

[Ancalagon the Black]

Second, nowhere in this thread did I advocate "pre-emptively killing entire Nations like Iran". I am adovcating a strategic nuclear strike against North Korea's and Iran's nuclear facilities, as well as any of their major military installations.

Well, then, you're not advocating a strategic nuclear strike at all. You're advocating a tactical nuclear strike.

[nelms]

Well, then, you're not advocating a strategic nuclear strike at all. You're advocating a tactical nuclear strike.
Semantics. I am advocating strikes against specfic targets for strategic reasons, not the carpet nuclear bombing of an entire country.

[redskins4life234]

If we take any Miltary action against ethier Korea or Iran, I am pretty sure World War 3 will be starting. We have Iraq going on now. China would probably declare war on Us if we Nuke Korea, which would cut off our economy and cause another depression, and a Draft might need to be installed as we dont have the troops to support a World War. Israel would egt involved as an Ally, but would be totally surronded and threatened by its neighboring countries that will get into the war. The whole middle east will be in Jihhad, and possibly a Nuclear War could break out, and all will be massive Hell sadly enough.

[zoony]

at one of those "meet the skins" type events when I was like 10 or 11 i was fighting a crowd looking for an autograph (getting pushed around pretty good), I didn't get the autograph before the people were done signing (Monte Coleman and Charles Mann if my memory serves) and I must have looked pretty pathetic. As I was walking away he walked over and said he would get a couple autographs for me if I gave him my address....about a week later I got a ball in the mail with 20-30 sigs on it.

From then on he was my favorite.



Great story. :cheers:

This thread was worthwhile after all, thanks for posting.

[zoony]

Aren't you the one that wanted to go into Walmart with a gun because the guy at the door was saying "Happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". I just wanted to check on that before commenting further on your opinions concerning "mental disease".

:)


I still laugh about that thread once in a while :)

[redskins4life234]

Great story. :cheers:

This thread was worthwhile after all, thanks for posting.


I still laugh about that thread once in a while :)


Come on Zoony!! No double Posting! :silly: :cheers:

[krsone]

While, I am not a leftist, I would cut the DOD budget by at least 75%( I am pretty sure that most of the leftists and liberals on this site would be very uncomfortable with this proposal).

im hoping this is a joke. 75% ? that is the funniest thing ive heard all day. yeah lets cut it by 75% and half of us wont even be able to join extremeskins.com.

[krsone]

If we take any Miltary action against ethier Korea or Iran, I am pretty sure World War 3 will be starting. We have Iraq going on now. China would probably declare war on Us if we Nuke Korea, which would cut off our economy and cause another depression, and a Draft might need to be installed as we dont have the troops to support a World War. Israel would egt involved as an Ally, but would be totally surronded and threatened by its neighboring countries that will get into the war. The whole middle east will be in Jihhad, and possibly a Nuclear War could break out, and all will be massive Hell sadly enough.


first of all, that one poster suggesting that we should nuke iran and n korea was kidding. the difference between n korea and U.S is that we dont publicly come out and say we have the capablility to nuke certain country. its all politics with n. korea. they make public comments like that to get our attention so they can make some sort of a deal that favors them , whatever that may be.
as for n korea's neighbors. n korea is useless to its neighbors in every aspect. the only thing they can provide goods is through military arms. economically , they are useless. all their money which isnt alot, goes to govnt and the military defense. thats why there are so many people dying of poverty and starvation. unlike n korea, iraq has certain goods that are valuable to its neighbors as it was for germany , france and russia. now as for us nuking n korea first , which would never happen unless they nuke us first but lets say we did nuke n korea first. it still would be hard for countries like china and japan to declar war on us due to economic implications. unlike n korea, japan and china do big business with us. they wouldnt want to jeopardize that. n korea has no value to its neighbors. countries like the U.S , japan , china ..etc make this world go round and round.

[Johnny Punani2]

Let's get real here ok?

N. Korea is not going to launch a strike on the US. They would be committing suicide. They know it and we know it. Dildos like Kim Jong Il crave power and control. He would have neither after his entire country was destroyed by a full US counter attack that he woud have no power to stop. The same goes for the Iranians. It's all a big bluff in an attempt to gain something politically.

The US would never strike first with nuclear weapons unless faced with a desperate situation (see NATO defense against USSR invasion of Western Europe). The nuking of Japan showed that only a counter attack would be morally acceptible.

So let them talk and the US will stand behind the largest nuclear force in the world and laugh in their faces...

[nelms]

im hoping this is a joke. 75% ? that is the funniest thing ive heard all day. yeah lets cut it by 75% and half of us wont even be able to join extremeskins.com.
Well, we are talking about the same guy that said the Soviet Union threat during the cold war was overrated.

[Air Force Cane]

Reading some of this geostrategic and military analysis-

is similar to watching 4th graders discourse on domestic malthus :doh:

[Predicto]

Let's get real here ok?

N. Korea is not going to launch a strike on the US. They would be committing suicide. They know it and we know it. Dildos like Kim Jong Il crave power and control. He would have neither after his entire country was destroyed by a full US counter attack that he woud have no power to stop. The same goes for the Iranians. It's all a big bluff in an attempt to gain something politically.

The US would never strike first with nuclear weapons unless faced with a desperate situation (see NATO defense against USSR invasion of Western Europe). The nuking of Japan showed that only a counter attack would be morally acceptible.

So let them talk and the US will stand behind the largest nuclear force in the world and laugh in their faces...

I agree with every word of a Johnny Punani post. :boggle:

[Thiebear]

I respect your opinion Thiebear. But, you're wrong on several accounts.

First, what technology today allows us to effectively shoot down an ICBM? The Strategic Defense Initiative was shot down by the libs even before it could get off the ground (notice my play on words). Our attempts at conventional surface-to-air missile defense has proven completely unreliable, both in testing and in real life events (remember the Patriot missile defense, which was on a much smaller scale).

Second, nowhere in this thread did I advocate "pre-emptively killing entire Nations like Iran". I am adovcating a strategic nuclear strike against North Korea's and Iran's nuclear facilities, as well as any of their major military installations. The goal wouldn't be to wipe out their entire civiilization, but to render useless their ability to strike us with their WMD's (that includes not only nuclear weapons, but chemical and biological ones too).

Finally, your comment "NK couldnt reach us if they were 100yds from shore with the ass on fire" may be true TODAY. I'm not so concerned today, I'm concerned about a year from now, two years from now, when North Korea has that capability. You also said "know we are not really at any risk that conventional means couldnt fix.." What conventional means are you talking about. Diplomatic solution with NK? A conventional war with NK? Come on, who do you think we're dealing with, someone rational?

SO your talking about 5 megaton bunker buster type in ground nukes?
And I thought our 737 ABMLS laser planes could shoot 20 missiles out of the air before they left Korean airspace?
might be wrong on that one but I thought it worked once.. will look and come back...

[Thiebear]

Here: From 5 hours ago on Airborne Lasers:
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/060322_airborne_laser.html

thankfully it passed the ground test: (2004)...

The U.S. military is gearing up to test what might be the ultimate version of laser tag.

With a successful ground test in the bag, the Missile Defense Agency is pushing forward with plans for an Airborne Laser (ABL), a Boeing 747 freighter aircraft with a laser-tipped nose designed to destroy ballistic missiles as they rocket through the sky.

The defense system's primary weapon -- a megawatt-class chemical laser beam -- passed an initial ground-based test last week and a number subsystems have been integrated into the ABL aircraft, Missile Defense Agency (MDA) officials told SPACE.com. If all goes well, a integrated prototype of the Airborne Laser will soon be shooting down missiles in tests over the Pacific Ocean.

[Air Force Cane]

uh, thiebear you do realize that is still an EXPERIMENTAL platform?

And again, the Patriots were actually operational before we realized they could not take out SCUDS as we thought they could during testing.

It would also be an act of war to use it against Iran- so you are going to be either waiting for them to launch and praying it works (and that we can be around all the launching sites)

or take them out now BEFORE they are able to launch..

[Thiebear]

*Update*

uh, thiebear you do realize that is still an EXPERIMENTAL platform?


We'll see... Its worked on air to ground... now it just needs some tweaking...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11961673/
The Boeing-led Airborne Laser team exposes the Airborne Laser's conformal window during a test flight. Such an exposure is necessary for the weapon system to complete its mission of shooting down a ballistic missile during the boost phase of flight