Dallas' offensive line looks unimpressive...

[tr1]

From the Boston Globe:

Bledsoe may be happy about T.O., but he ought to take a look at his offensive line now that 10-time All-Pro Larry Allen has been released.

At the moment, he has left tackle Flozell Adams rehabbing from a knee injury that forced him to miss 10 games, left guard Kyle Kosier playing with his third team in three seasons, Andre Gurode and Al Johnson fighting over the center position, a 33-year-old right guard with a bad back in Marco Rivera, and a new right tackle in Jason Fabini, who missed the last seven games of 2005 with a chest injury .

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2006/03/26/planning_goes_only_so_far?mode=PF

[bulldog]

I honestly don't know how sports publications can shine on Bledsoe so much. He didn't do anything last year to impress me. In fact his most impressive game may have been the opener in San Diego where he threw against a good defense and won.

In two games against the Redskins, he didn't do squat as Gregg Williams had him pretty well figured out. I just don't know if you can win in the NFL with a quarterback that doesn't have any mobility anymore.

Compared to Bledsoe, Ben Roethlisberger and Patrick Ramsey look like ballerinas out there.

[Ken]

I honestly don't know how sports publications can shine on Bledsoe so much. He didn't do anything last year to impress me. In fact his most impressive game may have been the opener in San Diego where he threw against a good defense and won.

In two games against the Redskins, he didn't do squat as Gregg Williams had him pretty well figured out. I just don't know if you can win in the NFL with a quarterback that doesn't have any mobility anymore.

Compared to Bledsoe, Ben Roethlisberger and Patrick Ramsey look like ballerinas out there.
And Brunnell is unreal, right?

Brunnell had a higher Qb rating than Bledsoe by 2 whole points. Are you kiddding me?

Bunnell threw 6000 screen passes and still only had a 57 completion percentage. Meanwhile, Bledsoe had a seive for a line at the T position and managed over 60.

Bledsoe accounted for 25 Tds last year.

While not the centerpiece of our team, he is the 2nd best qb in the division.

[CPstretch]

andre carter will have a field day!

[Goaldeje]

And Brunnell is unreal, right?

Brunnell had a higher Qb rating than Bledsoe by 2 whole points. Are you kiddding me?

Bunnell threw 6000 screen passes and still only had a 57 completion percentage. Meanwhile, Bledsoe had a seive for a line at the T position and managed over 60.

Bledsoe accounted for 25 Tds last year.

While not the centerpiece of our team, he is the 2nd best qb in the division.

OK, first of all, the article was about the Cowboys, not Bledsoe vs. Brunell.

Now, who had the higher rating? And yet you're ranking Bledsoe ahead of him? Hmmm, that's interesting. Listen, I'm not dumb enough to suggest that Brunell is an amazing QB anymore, or even very good. He is average, and our hope this year is that he does enough to win. We have certainly put the tools around him for that. You Cowboy's fan act like Bledsoe is Brett Favre or something. The guy sucks. Get over it. I think Brunell is average, but I would rather have him than Bledsoe any day. Why, you ask? Scrambling ability. 3rd and a mile last year, remember? Think Bledsoe could have done that?

2nd best in the division? Come on. He is 4 out of 4. In terms of who I would rather have, in order, it would be McNabb, Eli, Brunell and Bledsoe.

[Ken]

OK, first of all, the article was about the Cowboys, not Bledsoe vs. Brunell.

Now, who had the higher rating? And yet you're ranking Bledsoe ahead of him? Hmmm, that's interesting. Listen, I'm not dumb enough to suggest that Brunell is an amazing QB anymore, or even very good. He is average, and our hope this year is that he does enough to win. We have certainly put the tools around him for that. You Cowboy's fan act like Bledsoe is Brett Favre or something. The guy sucks. Get over it. I think Brunell is average, but I would rather have him than Bledsoe any day. Why, you ask? Scrambling ability. 3rd and a mile last year, remember? Think Bledsoe could have done that?

2nd best in the division? Come on. He is 4 out of 4. In terms of who I would rather have, in order, it would be McNabb, Eli, Brunell and Bledsoe.
For one season...

McNabb, Bledsoe, Eli, Brunnell.

Factor in how many screens Brunnell threw and had Moss do all of the work for those two points. Its not all about the numbers, sometimes people get wrapped up in the numbers. Bledsoe is just a better QB. Better passer, the best in the division without a doubt.

I will grant you Brunnell's mobility and that 3rd and a mile killed me!

So when you factor in that he is the best pure passer in the division, how does he suck?

[Warhead36]

Didn't McNabb have like a 30-10 TD-INT mark the one year he had a decent WR(TO?)in 2004?

When it comes to the NFC East, it's a (healthy)McNabb and then it's everyone else.


As far as Bledsoe goes, he is decent. Brunell is also decent. Both guys can win you games, but need the talent around them.

It's funny though that Ken doesn't address the OL at all in his posts, all he does is defend Bledsoe. Your OL is junk. :)

[Nighthawk]

Ken also fails to mention that the only WR we had worth spit was Santana Moss and yet Brunell had a better passer rating while Bledsoe had more options available to him.

tr1 also posted an article, (don't know if it's the same one) that mentioned that WR wasn't the Cowboys problem but QB.

Bledsoe is a statue and will lose more games for you than win.

I can't wait to see the TO melt down next year.

[Ken]

Didn't McNabb have like a 30-10 TD-INT mark the one year he had a decent WR(TO?)in 2004?

When it comes to the NFC East, it's a (healthy)McNabb and then it's everyone else.


As far as Bledsoe goes, he is decent. Brunell is also decent. Both guys can win you games, but need the talent around them.

It's funny though that Ken doesn't address the OL at all in his posts, all he does is defend Bledsoe. Your OL is junk. :)
Ummm, i believe everyone listed McNabb 1, your point?

Sorry, I posted this about our offensive line in another thread a little while ago...

Our line will be significantly improved just with the tackle play alone. The middle of our line was not the problem, it was the Ts getting beat like drums. Allen is still good, but he couldn't move. That hamstrung our offense in some ways. We will be able to run a screen now. Also, factor in that everyone blitz our team because we only had one deep threat. That is not going to happen anymore with TO standing on one side. Make our line protection that much better.

[Warhead36]

Ken...

You said Bledsoe was a better passer than McNabb, but McNabb's career QB rating is a lot higher than Bledsoe's.

[GSF]

Ken,

Neither Bledsoe or Brunell are very good QBs anymore. Bledsoe throws a better ball, but Brunell is more mobile. I wouldn't be to excited about having either as my team's QB, but the thing that would tip the scale in the favor of Brunell for me is Drew's uncanny ability to throw boneheaded pics at the worst times possible.

[Who Del]

Didn't McNabb have like a 30-10 TD-INT mark the one year he had a decent WR(TO?)in 2004?

When it comes to the NFC East, it's a (healthy)McNabb and then it's everyone else.

31 TDs, 8 INTs. Sigh. The memories.

[Ken]

Ken...

You said Bledsoe was a better passer than McNabb, but McNabb's career QB rating is a lot higher than Bledsoe's.
Well, being a better passer doesn't mean he makes better decisions.

I've seen McNabb skip enough balls to know he is not a better passer than Bledsoe.

He is a better overall qb though.

[alleycat]

WOW !! How good are the skins !!!! If Brunell sucks so bad....and we went to the second game in the playoff's....I hope he sucks this year to!!! Maybe we will suck all the way to the NFC champ game ???

Folks don't forget GIBBS in all this !!
He knows how to win with servicable QB's
JG could win with Bledsoe,Harrington,Ramsey,Green.Warner,...Point is......Ya don't gotta be Montana to win with GIBBS !

[Skins4SB]

Ken,

you must account that amount of times that Brunell stood in the pocket, didn't see anything and threw the ball away. That counts towards your completion percentage you know. Brunell had TWO targets, Moss and Cooley. During the first two games of the season and towards the end counting the playoff games Brunell didn't look good because the defenses keyed in on those two guys and the other options couldn't get open. When healthy, Brunell is one of the most accurate passers there is when it comes to short and intermediate passes. I will admit his long ball isn't as accurate as I would like, but we do have the receivers now to make up for the underthrown ball.

Bledsoe is dangerous when given time, more dangerous than Brunell is. But, when he has pressure in his face, Bledsoe tends to take the sack or throw a pick rather than throw the ball away or create a play with his legs like Brunell.

[graniteFallsNCskins]

All the QB'S in the nfc east are talented,Brunell is the smartest running a team and smart QB'S win superbowls that all that matters young, old who cares!:dallasuck

[Neophyte]

Ken,

you must account that amount of times that Brunell stood in the pocket, didn't see anything and threw the ball away. That counts towards your completion percentage you know. Brunell had TWO targets, Moss and Cooley. During the first two games of the season and towards the end counting the playoff games Brunell didn't look good because the defenses keyed in on those two guys and the other options couldn't get open. When healthy, Brunell is one of the most accurate passers there is when it comes to short and intermediate passes. I will admit his long ball isn't as accurate as I would like, but we do have the receivers now to make up for the underthrown ball.

Bledsoe is dangerous when given time, more dangerous than Brunell is. But, when he has pressure in his face, Bledsoe tends to take the sack or throw a pick rather than throw the ball away or create a play with his legs like Brunell.

And you have account for the balls dropped by everyone not named Moss, Cooley or Portis. Many of those dropped balls were not Brunell's fault. I can think of a number of that hit the receiver in the hands and were dropped. Balls that would have gone for first downs. If I remember correctly there was one game where he had 12 balls dropped or something stupid like that. Brunell may have had a better line to work behind but Bledsoe had more reliable guys catching for him. Brunell's rating would have gone up a good bit if the drops had just been cut in half.

[Gamebreaker]

And Brunnell is unreal, right?

Brunnell had a higher Qb rating than Bledsoe by 2 whole points. Are you kiddding me?

Bunnell threw 6000 screen passes and still only had a 57 completion percentage. Meanwhile, Bledsoe had a seive for a line at the T position and managed over 60.

Bledsoe accounted for 25 Tds last year.

While not the centerpiece of our team, he is the 2nd best qb in the division.

I just love it when opposing teams' fans come on here and spout statistics, yet fail to look at the whole picture. Beyond exaggerating how many screen passes Brunell throws, you *coughintentionallycough* forget to stat that Bledsoe has thrown more interceptions yet somehow manage to remember he's thrown more touchdowns. 7 more interceptions are more indicative of who had a better season then a mere ...or what? what's this? Bledsoe didn't throw 25 touchdowns, he only threw 23! Liar! :laugh: :laugh: I dub you, Homer of the day! :dallasuck Before you even get a chance to type it, I know those other 2 TDs came from rushing. But does that really matter? They were on QB sneaks on the goalline, it doesn't show him to be anymore mobile than the statue of liberty.

Who were the top five passers in the NFC last season? Let me give you a hint, none of them are a Cowboy. :laugh:

[PleaseBlitz]

I remember 2 pretty good balls that Brunell threw last year.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4087/moss33gl.jpg


:laugh:

[THEHEREAFTER]

I just love it when opposing teams' fans come on here and spout statistics, yet fail to look at the whole picture. Beyond exaggerating how many screen passes Brunell throws, you *coughintentionallycough* forget to stat that Bledsoe has thrown more interceptions yet somehow manage to remember he's thrown more touchdowns. 7 more interceptions are more indicative of who had a better season then a mere ...or what? what's this? Bledsoe didn't throw 25 touchdowns, he only threw 23! Liar! :laugh: :laugh: I dub you, Homer of the day! :dallasuck Before you even get a chance to type it, I know those other 2 TDs came from rushing. But does that really matter? They were on QB sneaks on the goalline, it doesn't show him to be anymore mobile than the statue of liberty.

Who were the top five passers in the NFC last season? Let me give you a hint, none of them are a Cowboy. :laugh:

Bledsoe had two rushing TD's genius!

[Ken]

I just love it when opposing teams' fans come on here and spout statistics, yet fail to look at the whole picture. Beyond exaggerating how many screen passes Brunell throws, you *coughintentionallycough* forget to stat that Bledsoe has thrown more interceptions yet somehow manage to remember he's thrown more touchdowns. 7 more interceptions are more indicative of who had a better season then a mere ...or what? what's this? Bledsoe didn't throw 25 touchdowns, he only threw 23! Liar! :laugh: :laugh: I dub you, Homer of the day! :dallasuck Before you even get a chance to type it, I know those other 2 TDs came from rushing. But does that really matter? They were on QB sneaks on the goalline, it doesn't show him to be anymore mobile than the statue of liberty.

Who were the top five passers in the NFC last season? Let me give you a hint, none of them are a Cowboy. :laugh:
How am I a liar if i said ACCOUNTED FOR?

It is not my problem that you have reading comrehension issues.

FYI, only one of his two tds were sneaks, the other was a 6 yard rushing td vs the 49ers. Or 6 yards longer than Brunnell's.

[PleaseBlitz]

FYI, only one of his two tds were sneaks, the other was a 6 yard rushing td vs the 49ers. Or 6 yards longer than Brunnell's.

I remember that 6 yard run. Shades of Mike Vick. :laugh:

[THEHEREAFTER]

Dallas' offensive line right now (pre-draft) is not necessarily a strength however, as Ken pointed out, is still MUCH improved over last year already. We lost a pro-bowl tackle to Torin Tucker and Rookie Rob Pettiti struggled.

[lalskins]

Bledsoe does suck get over it.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Bledsoe does suck get over it.

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2005 300 499 3639 60.1 7.29 71 23 17 49 83.7
Career 3749 6548 43447 57.3 6.64 86 244 198 451 77.3


IMO Bledsoe is the best traditional pocket passer in the NFCE and possibly a HOF QB when all is said and done.

[The Batman]

For one season...

McNabb, Bledsoe, Eli, Brunnell.

Factor in how many screens Brunnell threw and had Moss do all of the work for those two points. Its not all about the numbers, sometimes people get wrapped up in the numbers. Bledsoe is just a better QB. Better passer, the best in the division without a doubt.

I will grant you Brunnell's mobility and that 3rd and a mile killed me!

So when you factor in that he is the best pure passer in the division, how does he suck?

Say it with me now.

B-R-U-N-E-L-L.

Learn how to spell the man's name. It lends just a bit of credibility to your argument.
:logo:

[The Batman]

Bledsoe had two rushing TD's genius!

Uh, what the hell were you reading? Gamebreaker's UNEDITED post says he knows that 2 of those TDs came from rushing.

Wow. Don't you feel stupid.
:logo:

[Santana_Fan]

to me, Bledsoe has always looked like he's had plenty of time to throw, except in the 2nd game when he played us. So really I don't see their signings changing anything. I just feel that sometimes he doesn't have that pocket presence so that's why he get's sacked alot.

[cnhnyy]

Torin Yucker/Rob Pettieee? were girls tackles last year for 10 games and possibly the worst starting tackles in NFL history. To be honest, Flo/Fabini are huge improvement over those two green rookies.

In their six games with Flo, Bledsore was sacked 2 times per game. In their ten games without Flo, it was 4 sacks per game.

I mean, we could not sniff Bledsore in the first game while sacked him seven times the second time around. Philip Daniles got half (4) of his total sacks (9) in his two seasons with us against T. Tucker.

Sadly, girls seem to realize this problem and several injuries have to happen before we see Torin Tucker again.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Uh, what the hell were you reading? Gamebreaker's UNEDITED post says he knows that 2 of those TDs came from rushing.

Wow. Don't you feel stupid.
:logo:

No I don't. There was no need to challenge the statement accounting for 25 TD's.

[Gilgamesh]

IMO Bledsoe is the best traditional pocket passer in the NFCE and possibly a HOF QB when all is said and done.
HOF QB? Ok, now you're just being silly.

[NewCliche21]

No I don't. There was no need to challenge the statement accounting for 25 TD's.

Well, you should. Your entire (tainted) first post was talking about Bledsoe being a better quarterback as a passer. You mention quarterback ratings and completion percentages, which, to my knowledge, have nothing to do with QB sneaks. Running a touchdown from six yards out versus the 2005 49er's? Wow. Why don't you give him a Canton bust for waking up in the morning?
As it has been said before: Mark makes MUCH better decisions. Just because Drew throws stupid passes that sometimes make their mark, but are MUCH more often interecepted, does NOT mean that he's any better.
But as a rushing quarterback, tell me what's more important: Converting third and a mile, fourth and a mile, etc. against YOUR team, and then subsequently WINNING the game because of said runs, or a six-yard touchdown scamper versus a high school team?
Drew in his prime was amazing, yes. But is Mark better now? No doubt. I'd take Mark over Drew in a heartbeat.

[THEHEREAFTER]

HOF QB? Ok, now you're just being silly.

All Time leaders in passing yardage. Not out of the relm of possibilities?

RK PLAYER AMT
1 Dan Marino 61,361
2 Brett Favre 53,471
3 John Elway 51,475
4 Warren Moon 49,325
5 Fran Tarkenton 47,003
6 Vinny Testaverde 45,242
7 Drew Bledsoe 43,557
8 Dan Fouts 43,040
9 Joe Montana 40,551
10 Johnny Unitas 40,239
11 Dave Krieg 38,147
12 Boomer Esiason 37,920
13 Jim Kelly 35,467
14 Jim Everett 34,837
15 Jim Hart 34,665
16 Steve DeBerg 34,241
17 Kerry Collins 33,637
18 John Hadl 33,503
19 Phil Simms 33,462
20 Peyton Manning 33,189

[NewCliche21]

All Time leaders in passing yardage. Not out of the relm of possibilities?

RK PLAYER AMT
1 Dan Marino 61,361
2 Brett Favre 53,471
3 John Elway 51,475
4 Warren Moon 49,325
5 Fran Tarkenton 47,003
6 Vinny Testaverde 45,242
7 Drew Bledsoe 43,557
8 Dan Fouts 43,040
9 Joe Montana 40,551
10 Johnny Unitas 40,239
11 Dave Krieg 38,147
12 Boomer Esiason 37,920
13 Jim Kelly 35,467
14 Jim Everett 34,837
15 Jim Hart 34,665
16 Steve DeBerg 34,241
17 Kerry Collins 33,637
18 John Hadl 33,503
19 Phil Simms 33,462
20 Peyton Manning 33,189

Yeah, I'll be sure to take a picture beside Kerry's bust, too. Just because you have a lot of yards doesn't mean that you're a Hall of Famer. (And no, ten spots doesn't make a difference as there are more than the seventeen quarterbacks on that list in the hall). By your logic, Steve Young isn't good enough to be in the Hall. Riiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:

[THEHEREAFTER]

Well, you should. Your entire (tainted) first post was talking about Bledsoe being a better quarterback as a passer. You mention quarterback ratings and completion percentages, which, to my knowledge, have nothing to do with QB sneaks. Running a touchdown from six yards out versus the 2005 49er's? Wow. Why don't you give him a Canton bust for waking up in the morning?
As it has been said before: Mark makes MUCH better decisions. Just because Drew throws stupid passes that sometimes make their mark, but are MUCH more often interecepted, does NOT mean that he's any better.
But as a rushing quarterback, tell me what's more important: Converting third and a mile, fourth and a mile, etc. against YOUR team, and then subsequently WINNING the game because of said runs, or a six-yard touchdown scamper versus a high school team?
Drew in his prime was amazing, yes. But is Mark better now? No doubt. I'd take Mark over Drew in a heartbeat.


When did I say any of this LOL! I think you need to read the entire thread :laugh: I never said Bledsoe was better than anyone or that he was Michael Vick? Just supporting that he accounted for 25 TD's. IMO he's the best pure drop back passer in the NFCE for whatever that's worth. Chill out! If you think Mark is better fine. That's certainly arguable. Think before you post. :doh:

[THEHEREAFTER]

Yeah, I'll be sure to take a picture beside Kerry's bust, too. Just because you have a lot of yards doesn't mean that you're a Hall of Famer. (And no, ten spots doesn't make a difference as there are more than the seventeen quarterbacks on that list in the hall). By your logic, Steve Young isn't good enough to be in the Hall. Riiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:

Man what are you smoking. Why do you put words in my mouth? When did I say yards was the only criteria or anything about Steve Young. I posted those stats because many would be surprised at where Bledsoe is on the all-time list. I know I was. I fully recognize Drew's weaknesses and if you chose to ignore his strengths that's your own ignorance. Another good season or two and were talkin top 5 maybe top 4 all time. To me that's pretty impressive. When you look at his entire career, the HOF is not out of the relm of possibilities.

[NewCliche21]

Man what are you smoking. Why do you put words in my mouth? When did I say yards was the only criteria or anything about Steve Young. I posted those stats because many would be surprised at where Bledsoe is on the all-time list. I know I was. I fully recognize Drew's weaknesses and if you chose to ignore his strengths that's your own ignorance. Another good season or two and were talkin top 5 maybe top 4 all time. To me that's pretty impressive. When you look at his entire career, the HOF is not out of the relm of possibilities.

Did you go to law school or something? All you're doing is presenting skewed evidence. If you just present his place on the all-time list by itself, then what, exactly, are you implying? You recognize Drew's weaknesses? So where have you EVER said what they are? Come on, don't kid yourself.
Another good season or two? Come on, man. That's the same logic as "If only we scored more points, then we would have won the game."
Nobody who knows anything about football would doubt that Drew was (Yes, WAS) a great quarterback, but Hall of Fame? Please. I really doubt that if he weren't wearing a star that you would say that. And yes, if he had stayed with the Pats, then I STILL wouldn't say he's Hall-worthy. Even though Mark is better now, I still wouldn't put him in the Hall. Stop being such a homer.

[tr1]

How'd we get started on qb's? The thread is about OL...the Cowboy's OL...and it looks flimsy. Now, I can see why some 'girl fans might want to talk about Bledsoe simply because he many not end up in one piece by the end of the season.

Football teams are boiled down to the lines. That the Cowboy's have a patch-work means they'll have problems coming together at least for a few weeks at the beginning of the season.

I'd hate to have Brunell play behind that line.

[putartmonkinthehall]

[QUOTE=cnhnyy]Torin Yucker/Rob Pettieee? were girls tackles last year for 10 games and possibly the worst starting tackles in NFL history.

I agree that Torin Tucker is pretty bad but you are mistaken about Pettiti. Cowboy fans are quick to scapegoat him for all their offensive woes. People need to remember that he was a sixth round pick forced to start all sixteen games his rookie year. He didn't have any time to develop before being put out on an island against some of the leagues' premeire pass rushers like Michael Strahan and Jevon Kearse. Pettiti will be a dominant tackle in a couple years. If Dallas hadn't picked him with their sixth round pick, Buges would have taken him with the skins sixth round pick last year. I would have loved to see him develop behind Samuels and Jansen.

[The Animal Trainer]

Back to the Cowboy's OL. They are not good. They are from from average. This just in from ESPN's war room...they suck.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Did you go to law school or something? All you're doing is presenting skewed evidence. If you just present his place on the all-time list by itself, then what, exactly, are you implying? You recognize Drew's weaknesses? So where have you EVER said what they are? Come on, don't kid yourself.
Another good season or two? Come on, man. That's the same logic as "If only we scored more points, then we would have won the game."
Nobody who knows anything about football would doubt that Drew was (Yes, WAS) a great quarterback, but Hall of Fame? Please. I really doubt that if he weren't wearing a star that you would say that. And yes, if he had stayed with the Pats, then I STILL wouldn't say he's Hall-worthy. Even though Mark is better now, I still wouldn't put him in the Hall. Stop being such a homer.

You have to be kidding me. Drew is the starting QB of the Dallas Cowboys. Barring injury, he WILL play. Is is so hard to fathom that with two 3,500 yard seasons he will be top 4? Why are you being so resistant to a simple statement. Drew's #'s speak for itself. Warren Moon entered the HOF without sniffing a SB and Drew has already led a team to one. This has nothing to do with homerism. Just looking at the #'s.

[Joey T]

Ken,

Brunell is one of the most accurate passers there is when it comes to short and intermediate passes. I will admit his long ball isn't as accurate as I would like, but we do have the receivers now to make up for the underthrown ball.

Bledsoe is dangerous when given time, more dangerous than Brunell is. But, when he has pressure in his face, Bledsoe tends to take the sack or throw a pick rather than throw the ball away or create a play with his legs like Brunell.
Does this mean you didn't like the two LONG balls Brunell threw to Santana in stride to score TDs in the first game against Dallas to win the game? :doh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Joey T]

Yeah, I'll be sure to take a picture beside Kerry's bust, too. Just because you have a lot of yards doesn't mean that you're a Hall of Famer. (And no, ten spots doesn't make a difference as there are more than the seventeen quarterbacks on that list in the hall). By your logic, Steve Young isn't good enough to be in the Hall. Riiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:
Ya beat me to the punch about Young. I think he sat 3-4 years behind Montana.

[Stew]

Well, being a better passer doesn't mean he makes better decisions.

I've seen McNabb skip enough balls to know he is not a better passer than Bledsoe.

He is a better overall qb though.


Hey you make a point there. Bledsoe is generally a better passer. Came from the generation of tight, accurate pocket passing, before scrambling QB's came to pass. But if your targets arent open or you dont have time to check down, how much good will a good passing QB do? He will end up making hasty passes for picks. (See last season and Bledsoe) But dont get me wrong, T.O. makes any qb throwing the ball look better, and will make Bledsoe look better, but if the pressure starts coming, he will fling balls out there to avoid being sacked, he has taken too many in his career and I think he's a little scared to be popped a few good times. Either Brunell, or Bledsoe huh??? Its like a choice between drinking motor oil or paint thinner.

[Stew]

One more question. Who was the Dallas QB that played baseball as well??? Parcells wrote him off with Romo like red-headed step children.... The reason Im asking is because I actually liked him as a back up when you guys first signed him. Drafted him i think. I know i know, shows how much I know about QB's, but what was his name???

[Skins4SB]

Does this mean you didn't like the two LONG balls Brunell threw to Santana in stride to score TDs in the first game against Dallas to win the game? :doh: :laugh: :laugh:

Yes, I enjoyed both deep balls a lot. But he overthrew and underthrew receivers many times though. Two good deep balls doesn't automatically make him an accurate deep ball passer.

[Lil Kenzo]

For one season...

McNabb, Bledsoe, Eli, Brunnell.

Factor in how many screens Brunnell threw and had Moss do all of the work for those two points. Its not all about the numbers, sometimes people get wrapped up in the numbers. Bledsoe is just a better QB. Better passer, the best in the division without a doubt.

I will grant you Brunnell's mobility and that 3rd and a mile killed me!

So when you factor in that he is the best pure passer in the division, how does he suck?

Look back at that seattle game you guys lost! Look at it this way, that single throw cost you guys a playoff spot. Brunell never did that to us. Yes he had his fumbles...but which QB led their team to the playoffs??? Exactly!!!

Brunell is not the greatest QB, but I would take him over Bledsoe anyday.

[HeHateMe]

Look back at that seattle game you guys lost! Look at it this way, that single throw cost you guys a playoff spot. Brunell never did that to us. Yes he had his fumbles...but which QB led their team to the playoffs??? Exactly!!!

Brunell is not the greatest QB, but I would take him over Bledsoe anyday.

Come on. In all honesty, you would also take Collins over Bledsoe too. ;)

[gutlead74]

And Brunnell is unreal, right?

Brunnell had a higher Qb rating than Bledsoe by 2 whole points. Are you kiddding me?

Bunnell threw 6000 screen passes and still only had a 57 completion percentage. Meanwhile, Bledsoe had a seive for a line at the T position and managed over 60.

Bledsoe accounted for 25 Tds last year.

While not the centerpiece of our team, he is the 2nd best qb in the division.
http://redskinsvan.com/highlights/Album15.htm
look at all of those screens:rolleyes:

[bulldog]

the bottom line is that in the key game last December, Drew Bledsoe was turned into tenderizer by the Redskins defense, while Brunell threw 4 touchdowns against the Dallas defense :)

there is no way to spin that.

yes, Bledsoe still has a strong arm and if given time can still be effective. the problem for him and Cowboys is that while they are signing all these 30 year old players like Owens and Glenn on the outside they haven't done much to upgrade the offensive line.

Jason Fabini at 32 and Marco Rivera at 33 are over the hill. Allen is gone. The inside players are average.

They don't match up with the Redskins front seven.

And that's the bottom line.

[THEHEREAFTER]

the bottom line is that in the key game last December, Drew Bledsoe was turned into tenderizer by the Redskins defense, while Brunell threw 4 touchdowns against the Dallas defense :)

there is no way to spin that.

yes, Bledsoe still has a strong arm and if given time can still be effective. the problem for him and Cowboys is that while they are signing all these 30 year old players like Owens and Glenn on the outside they haven't done much to upgrade the offensive line.

Jason Fabini at 32 and Marco Rivera at 33 are over the hill. Allen is gone. The inside players are average.

They don't match up with the Redskins front seven.

And that's the bottom line.


Do you think the skins have an intimidating front seven? I wouldn't base everything on our second meeting. What makes the skins effective IMO is the myriad of blitz packages GW cooks up utilizing all 11 players.

[Enter Apotheosis]

IMO he's the best pure drop back passer in the NFCE for whatever that's worth. Chill out! If you think Mark is better fine. That's certainly arguable. Think before you post. :doh:

I'm pretty convinced that Donovan McNabb is still a better drop back passer than Drew Bledsoe when he has a decent set of receivers. Naturally, he doesn't need to stay in the pocket because he is quite mobile... and even then his shiftiness, footwork, and ability to avoid tackles makes him even more effective sliding around within the pocket.

Mark Brunell is without a doubt the smarter QB if you compare him and Bledsoe. Who the better passer (not just in the pocket) is is highly debatable, especially when you assume that Brunell is healthy and has equivalent talent at the WR spot.

Eli Manning probably will be the best pure pocket passer in the next few years... but he'll always be a choker and is nowhere near that point yet.

[Gamebreaker]

Bledsoe had two rushing TD's genius!

Moron. I said that in my post. I see how that is the only thing you're able to comment about, no one wants to talk about the 7 more interceptions he threw.

[Gamebreaker]

Uh, what the hell were you reading? Gamebreaker's UNEDITED post says he knows that 2 of those TDs came from rushing.

Wow. Don't you feel stupid.
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:laugh: Can't you just tell he read about half my post and immediately hit reply. :laugh: :doh: Silly cowboy fans....

[Gamebreaker]

All Time leaders in passing yardage. Not out of the relm of possibilities?

RK PLAYER AMT
1 Dan Marino 61,361
2 Brett Favre 53,471
3 John Elway 51,475
4 Warren Moon 49,325
5 Fran Tarkenton 47,003
6 Vinny Testaverde 45,242
7 Drew Bledsoe 43,557
8 Dan Fouts 43,040
9 Joe Montana 40,551
10 Johnny Unitas 40,239
11 Dave Krieg 38,147
12 Boomer Esiason 37,920
13 Jim Kelly 35,467
14 Jim Everett 34,837
15 Jim Hart 34,665
16 Steve DeBerg 34,241
17 Kerry Collins 33,637
18 John Hadl 33,503
19 Phil Simms 33,462
20 Peyton Manning 33,189

So is Vinny Testerverde a HOF canidate too?

[GSF]

...and Dave Krieg. :laugh:

[GSF]

Do you think the skins have an intimidating front seven? I wouldn't base everything on our second meeting. What makes the skins effective IMO is the myriad of blitz packages GW cooks up utilizing all 11 players.

The Skins front seven is going to make the your oline look like swiss cheese. They shut down Bledsoe last year, and our front seven is better this year, while your oline is looking like it could be worse.

[Goaldeje]

The Skins front seven is going to make the your oline look like swiss cheese. They shut down Bledsoe last year, and our front seven is better this year, while your oline is looking like it could be worse.


Exactly. If you're not a little afraid of Archuleta and Carter coming onthe blitz, well, I want what you're drinking.

[ChrisFul]

This thread is absolute hilarity.

1. Brunell was the worst quarterback in the history of football last year on these boards, and now all of a sudden he's one of the NFL's steadiest passers. LMAO.

2. Bledsoe "sucks". Even though he finished with comparable numbers to the "much better" Brunell, who just a year earlier had a QB rating so low you had to dig to see it.

3. Dallas' line is somehow worse. For most of the season last year, dallas had NOBODIES playing on the OL because everyone was hurt. Add to that a decent Kosier and a pretty good Fabini, a healthy Marco Rivera, a healthy Flozell Adams and take away a pretty good Larry Allen, and the line actually is a lot better than it was for the last 8 games of the year. Its not going to win any awards, mind you, but its certainly not "worse".

[DarrellGreenFan]

Keep in mind when you look at Brunell's performance from last year, he did what he did while having no good Wide Receivers besides Moss. We have yet to see how well he will do when he is throwing to a real WR core.

[AzSkinsFan63]

their "revamped" according to some writers...

[Shotgunner]

Hey Bledsoe, I'd like you to meet Mr. Andre Carter!