Jessie Lumsden?

[Drunken Master III]

Has anyone heard any new news. I did a search and didn't see anything.

[bird_1972]

He was that Canadian phenom that we had tagged for Speacial Teams, right?

[Jethrodsp]

Who the heck is that?

[shallyshal]

well. he sounds like a player... we will see what he looks like once the ota's start.. and into pre season. you can't tell anything until then

[More Complete]

Never heard of him. :whoknows:

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

unfortunately there are no spots for him on the roster. he is the odd man out, but may make it to the practice squad. How have you guys never heard of him?

[Dana87]

I think he will make the team.

http://www.jesselumsden.net/lumsdenautumn2005.wmv

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

I think he will make the team.

http://www.jesselumsden.net/lumsdenautumn2005.wmv

really? what makes you think that? the fact he wasn't on the team last year or that we resigned cartwright. like I said he will only be on the practice squad, at most, and be kept around in case of injury, and maybe then be on the team in 2007 if we lose Betts. otherwise, no.

[spanishomelette]

I haven't seen any recent news...Here are some old threads discussing this subject at length...I found them using the "Search" function..Whaddyaknow?
http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141851
http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142994

[riggz2005]

i live in hamilton ontario canada where lumsden used to play for mcmaster university...he broke every record imagineable there...then he got cut by the seahawks and played for the hamilton tiger cats...i went to watch him once and he had a big game both rushing and recieving...he is a great athlete and could make a good special teams player

[CPstretch]

is he a running back?

[Grimm]

Played for Hamilton of the CFL in 2005 rushing for 307 yards on 60 carries, adding 11 receptions... In 29 career games he finished as the OUA’s all-time leading rusher and third in the CIS with 4,138 yards… Holds the CIS record for most touchdowns in a career with 47... Set the CIS single season record with 1816 yards on 178 carries, averaging 10.2 per carry, and 227 yards per game, winning player of the year honors... Born in Edmonton, Alberta, but raised in Ontario... His father, Neil, won 3 Grey Cups with Edmonton...

[CPstretch]

hmm, and he took gerald riggs' number

[ibrahim]

I think we might be looking at him for the H-Back position. Just a guess. If you watch the video, he has a Cooley-esque feel to him. Only with more speed.

[LaVarGreen2856]

is he a running back?
Yes he is, but I think he is capable of making the team as an H-back.

[Newera]

He looks like a classic Gibbs type of player. His challenge will be Broughton. He's definately a good athlete. Most def could play both running back and H-back.

[Laxpunk2006]

He sounds like a great kid but I just don't see where he fits with our team. Between RB/HB we already have Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Nemo, Cooley, Sellers, and White. I don't even think we'll have all those guys on our roster by September.

[Newera]

really? what makes you think that? the fact he wasn't on the team last year or that we resigned cartwright. like I said he will only be on the practice squad, at most, and be kept around in case of injury, and maybe then be on the team in 2007 if we lose Betts. otherwise, no.


So, you're so sure. There is one spot open. He could make the team as both a back and an h-back. I think he has a good shot.

[Newera]

He also could be viewed as insurance because Betts is in the last year of his contract.

[Stew]

I think this guy makes our team. I was excited to see us sign him, to I believe a 2 year contract. He cant hurt our team and IMHO i think he's better then Nemo. Say what you will, but I think it is a great pick up.

[VaK9Trainer]

You guys stress out too much about whether or not somebodys gonna make it or not. Relax. If he's got what it takes.....he'll be here! Simple as that.

[Cskin]

Looked like a player to me, albeit against subpar competition. Seems to have terrific feet and great vision. Additionally, when he sees a seam... he doesn't waste alot of time getting through it into the second level.

[soljaofjesus]

I think he will will challenge manueal white or nemo..

[Dana87]

really? what makes you think that? the fact he wasn't on the team last year or that we resigned cartwright. like I said he will only be on the practice squad, at most, and be kept around in case of injury, and maybe then be on the team in 2007 if we lose Betts. otherwise, no.

I guess we will see

[Dana87]

I think we might be looking at him for the H-Back position. Just a guess. If you watch the video, he has a Cooley-esque feel to him. Only with more speed.

Exactly

[Dana87]

He also could be viewed as insurance because Betts is in the last year of his contract.

Another very good point

[santanaistheman]

very intriguing prospect. Should be interesting to see whats he got in training camp and preseason.

[mrjoolius]

I see him as a tough practice player who could be used alongside ARE to return kicks. From the limited looks I've seen, he seems to have versatility, good hands and toughness. Great traits for a utility player and backup.

[gowen]

I Don't See It. I Watched The Video He Runs Straight Up. Never Lowers His Head For A Hit. Dosen't Break Any Good Tackles And That Was Cfl. I Don't Think He'll Make The Pros

[SackMachine]

He has quick feet, which means he can change directions quickly. Please remember the highlights are not from a whole season, just the ~6 games he participated in ON THE WORST team in the league.

He needs to add bulk to make it though. The CFL unlike the NFL prefers to have small speedy guys on defense because the field is a little wider and there are only 3 downs and not 4.

[shallyshal]

I think this guy makes our team. I was excited to see us sign him, to I believe a 2 year contract. He cant hurt our team and IMHO i think he's better then Nemo. Say what you will, but I think it is a great pick up.


well, let's see what he does when it is for real...

[shallyshal]

I think he will will challenge manueal white or nemo..

white has his own issues... he has to make it at an entirely different position. he is a receiver, not a runner any more. last year he got a pass because he was injured in pre season.. not this year... if he is lost, he will have to make the nfl on someone else roster.
let us hope he justifies the mid round pick he once was.

[murtceps]

lumsden is already 225 and certainly the fastest player on the team for that size (4.43 time by washington coaches) - if he stays healthy, i think he makes it - his combo of hands, vision, pure speed, toughness and returnability are uncommon, and gibbs should embrace it - and his confidence (didn't just play in his first 6 starts, but was a star at the pro level - yes, the cfl s not the nfl, but it is much better than a div 1 team, for certain - look to the cfl rosters coated w prior div 1 starters/stars) must be quite high versus when he went to seattle and got hurt (no preseason touches) - in his first pro touches, he seems uncertain and tentative, then by his middle to end pro starts, he is a determined stud with zero hesitation - seems like he progressed more as a player than had he been on a practise roster last year

this guy is tough, that is clear - and he fights long odds and always succeeds (what scouts always look for) - he is much younger than most other backs in camp, and cheaper, not that that means much w snyder - and if the coaches like him in preseason, they will find a way to put him on the roster given his clear versatility (his hands, speed and vision are super impressive - that website/tape of him has to excite the skins scouts - his speed, etc are evident to anyone who knows football)

this is not as long a shot as many think - lumsden averaged over 8 yrds/carry in the shrine, (lead his side - easily one of the best players in the game) and many of those players made nfl rosters last year. Plus, for a rookie to do what he did in his first 6 pro games is sick - really. His averages in returning kickoffs, running and catching, for a 23 yr old rookie in his first 6 games after signing a contract, must put him at the top historically in the cfl. (rare for a rookie to get the touches in the first place, in pro games 1-6, let along do what was seen)

If he stays healthy, he has a reasonable shot. If he gets hurt, he will get cut. That is my story, and i am sticking to it :) Cannot wait for the preseason games!! Lumsden always puts up numbers in actual games.

[Grey Cup]

Not many Redskin fans know of Jesse now but soon they will get to see what he can do first hand! At 230, 6'2" and 4.3 speed he is the perfect RB. His father was one of the greatest FB in the history of the CFL and Jesse is a chip of the old block. Top it all off with the fact that he is one of nicest kids you will ever meet and he will play a big part in the community as much as he will on the field. Many NFL teams wanted to sign him (and the Tiger-Cats hated to see him go) but hand it to the Skins who had him put pen to paper before Indy the Bills or any other NFL teams could do it. Get ready Skin's fans Jesse will put on a show!

[Jumbo]

He was that Canadian phenom that we had tagged for Speacial Teams, right?

And for others...there's a lot or responses to a "search" but i remember this thread Die Hard started as a good one..


http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142994&highlight=lumsden

[Newera]

Hmmmmmm . . . . dare I say a young John Riggins! No, I didn't go there.

[UpNorth]

OK, he was cut by the Seahawks before the end of the preseason last year, but he was injured on the 4th day of camp and never got healthy again so they never got to see him in any scrimmages or preseason games. He did say though that while he was in Seattle he was always the last guy that would get reps in the drills and had to keep reminding the coaches that he was there and asking if he could get in. So, basically, he said he didn't think he got a fair shake, certainly not as fair as other RBs.

I read someone on this board saying that he is Cooley-esque. I sort of understand the thinking there, what they look like when they run may be similar, but Jesse is far, far faster than Cooley. Before signing with Washington he has workouts for Buffalo, Green Bay, St. Louis, and Arizona. I am not sure of his times at all those place, but he told me that in Buffalo he ran a 4.42. That's fast. Those CFL highlights show his speed, he covers ground very quickly and gets up to speed in a flash.

In refernce to the criticism I read on this thread saying he is too upright and doesn't get his shoulders low....remember, he is 6'2, and has always run like that. Watch some video of Steven Jackson, another tall back, and you will see that he doesn't get very low either. Or maybe he gets low for his height, but it's not low compared to other RBs. Either way, Jackson and Lumsden have very similar running styles, moreso that Cooley and Lumsden I think.

With all of this said, I too believe he is an underdog coming into camp because he is Canadian and didn't play against NCAA competition (which I think is BS because he obviously has the skill set regardless of who he played against). He will probably be the last RB on the list until he impresses someone and I think he'll have to stand out more than other rookies/FAs if he wants to make the team. Special teams or practice squad is the likely destination if he can manage to stay around, but I will be around these boards alot in the next few months checking up on how things are going for "Lummer", as he is known around these parts.

[Randle Hell Yeah]

Can he stay healthy?

[ChiefPowhatan17]

This guy won the trophy for the best canadian college football player a year ago. He is suppose to be really good, but didn't make the cut last year in Seattle.:logo:

[UpNorth]

Can he stay healthy?

The only injury I remember him having was in the second year at McMaster when he was tackled from behind (horse collar) and screwed up his ankle, missing the most of the season which was about 5 or 6 games but he did come back for the playoffs. The injury he incurred at Seahawks camp apparently happened when he ran through a hole in a drill and an dLB tackled him as a D-lineman fell into his legs, twisting his kneee and jamming his femur up towards his hip joint. So his whole left leg was screwed up for a couple weeks but in the CFL last season he was healthy, as you can tell by the video.

You have to admit that those video clips are impressive, regardless of the level of talent, he undoubtedly has speed and has the power to move a pile.....

[Bangee7]

Jesse look solid to me.

Quick feet...jeesh.

He does take a lot of direct hits tho.
Still he can move the pile.

I'm guessing he will get his fair shot at making the team.
Here's to hoping he can maximize his opportunities.

[GoDannyBoy]

I think they signed him for a reason. If he shows any of the skills he demostrated on that tape he is in.

It should make for some good preseason games.

[Stew]

OK, he was cut by the Seahawks before the end of the preseason last year, but he was injured on the 4th day of camp and never got healthy again so they never got to see him in any scrimmages or preseason games. He did say though that while he was in Seattle he was always the last guy that would get reps in the drills and had to keep reminding the coaches that he was there and asking if he could get in. So, basically, he said he didn't think he got a fair shake, certainly not as fair as other RBs.

I read someone on this board saying that he is Cooley-esque. I sort of understand the thinking there, what they look like when they run may be similar, but Jesse is far, far faster than Cooley. Before signing with Washington he has workouts for Buffalo, Green Bay, St. Louis, and Arizona. I am not sure of his times at all those place, but he told me that in Buffalo he ran a 4.42. That's fast. Those CFL highlights show his speed, he covers ground very quickly and gets up to speed in a flash.

In refernce to the criticism I read on this thread saying he is too upright and doesn't get his shoulders low....remember, he is 6'2, and has always run like that. Watch some video of Steven Jackson, another tall back, and you will see that he doesn't get very low either. Or maybe he gets low for his height, but it's not low compared to other RBs. Either way, Jackson and Lumsden have very similar running styles, moreso that Cooley and Lumsden I think.

With all of this said, I too believe he is an underdog coming into camp because he is Canadian and didn't play against NCAA competition (which I think is BS because he obviously has the skill set regardless of who he played against). He will probably be the last RB on the list until he impresses someone and I think he'll have to stand out more than other rookies/FAs if he wants to make the team. Special teams or practice squad is the likely destination if he can manage to stay around, but I will be around these boards alot in the next few months checking up on how things are going for "Lummer", as he is known around these parts.


I really like the guy actually, and I may be the only one, but I think he takes the place of one of our exhisting RB. Maybe Betts gets traded or something,I dont know, but I dont see us getting rid of Lumsden. I thought we signed him to a two year contract. Im excited about having him here. :2cents:

[BlueTalon]

I liked him when he was with Seattle. It's entirely possible he didn't get a fair shake -- in the end, he was the victim of numbers. I was sorry to see him go, and was glad when you guys picked him up. I hope he works out well for you.

(And who knows -- if he is successful, we might see a few more Canadians down here trying out.)

[UpNorth]

I liked him when he was with Seattle. It's entirely possible he didn't get a fair shake -- in the end, he was the victim of numbers. I was sorry to see him go, and was glad when you guys picked him up. I hope he works out well for you.

(And who knows -- if he is successful, we might see a few more Canadians down here trying out.)

I joined a Seahawks board when he was down there trying out and alot of their fans were critical of him. He certainly has a different style than most backs because of his height and running style, but I think the running style is purely a product of the height. If Jesse gets a truly fair shot and they give him time in a couple preseason games, I think it will be hard to cut him. I really hope he is around for your preseason game against the Jets cuz our D-line is brutal and he can hopefully rack up yards that day.....

[sumodat]

Why are people so facinated with the idea of a new person? We have CP, Betts, and Rock! This guy is not as good as ANY of them. I didn't watch that whole clip because it was too long, but of what I did watch, he never breaks away.

How about imagining what CP, Betts, or Rock would do over there.

If by some chance he makes our roster (doubt it!), he will never see the field.

[kingchris626]

He appears to be a back. Not a receiver

[murtceps]

somodat
if you look at all the video, and still maintain your position re speed and vision, then i think you need glasses
re betts and rock - they are super - but lumsden, younger and faster and more versatile, not to mention larger, might prove very interesting to gibbs
the pre-season games should be lumsden's platform as he is a gamer

[jimster]

I think he will make the team.

http://www.jesselumsden.net/lumsdenautumn2005.wmv


from those highlights I agree that he does look like he could possibley be used in a H-back role. Looks like he can block and catch well, not to mention covers up the ball before contact.

Obviously he'd have to beat someone else out of a roster spot like Nemo or White.

He'll be fun to watch come pre-season.

[Barney B]

In the CFL, he's almost a man among boys. A lot of guys that big are fast but not quick. This guy has a burst.

I could see him making the practice squad, maybe even playing special teams.

Can he block?

[santanaistheman]

I can't wait to see this guy play to see if he's for real. He sure looked good on those highlight tapes but those are against canadian football bums.

[SackMachine]

They wouldn't use him much for blocking because he was the team in University. He was used in the CFL to block a few times and he succeded, although the other team got a sack, because the Hamilton Tiger-Cats were the worst team last year and their O-Line had a lot to be desired.

Infact the other teams didn't even respect their passing game, they covered the #1 receiver and put 8 in the box.

I hope he makes it, great guy, great player, great attitude, great work ethic.

[feeshta]

Just watched the video and I must say I was impressed. Very guick for a guy of that size, especially his first step is great, had decent hands, blocking looked ok. I think he could be a threat to take Manuel White's job. White did not look good at all last year pre-injury. He looked slow and unsure of what to do.

If this kid can learn the system he could be a good H-back, and maybe add a little element that Cooley lacks. The ability to run out of the backfield. He would offer a good deal of versatility, especially as a third down back. Think about it.

With a set where he lines up as a fullback, he could be a wildcard. Keep Cooley on the field, and use a motion to any number of sets presnap. You could line up with Lumsden at FB, CP at RB, Moss and El or Lloyd at receiver, and Cooley as an in line TE. Then you motion any way you want. Go three wide with Cooley in the slot. Split CP out wide, and move Lumsden back to HB. Split Lumsden wide an motion Cooley into position to block, etc. etc. etc. The possibilities are myriad.

This is the same reason I want us to draft Michael Robinson if he falls. It's gives you a player who makes it easier to create mismatches, because opposing defenses can't tell much about how to defense a play based on personnel sets alone. When motion is thrown in it would be too late by the time they figure out what we are doing matchup wise.

[Barney B]

I can't wait to see this guy play to see if he's for real. He sure looked good on those highlight tapes but those are against canadian football bums.

Also, the game is more spread-out. He's running through holes that you could build a bridge across.

Not saying he's an elite runner at the NFL level, but in those clips, at that level of competition, he kind of reminds me of Herschel Walker.

[Joe Sick]

I liked that play fake into a shovel pass play.

[Newera]

I think the fact we signed him to two years say's a lot. Of course, he still has to make the team. I really think the reason we signed him to two years is because it's going to be hard for us to keep Betts after next year. Lumsden can also be viewed as insurance. The Skins have done a good job of signing players in order to protect transitions with players.

Also, the kid looks like he will offer some versatilty in both the running back and h-back role. Guys like Lumsden and El can offer you a lot of versatility.

[Sonny Joe Hog]

He seems to have better hands than any of our current backs. He's a willing blocker. He returns kicks. You've got to like his North-South running style and his ability to move the pile. He has the measurables.

I don't know if he'll make the team or not but I sure do like his style. I'm looking forward to seeing him play.

By the way, if you look at Gibbs' roster history, you'll see that he has no set number of spots for each position. If Lumsden can play RB AND if he's good on Special Teams, he can make the team. If he can do those two things AND backup at H-Back, it would be easy to justify a roster spot for him.

He's NOT going to beat out Ladell or Rock, but guys like Nemo, White, and whoever the third TE might be had better watch out.

[SD Skins fan]

The video clip didn't impress me that much. He seemed slow, even by CFL standards and didn't break any tackles. Instead of Cooley, he reminded me of Kelvin Bryant, which might be what Joe Gibbs sees him as, a third down multi option.

I think it'd be great if he turned out to be the real deal, but I'm not expecting it.
:2cents:

[kingdaddy]

The video clip didn't impress me that much. He seemed slow, even by CFL standards and didn't break any tackles. Instead of Cooley, he reminded me of Kelvin Bryant, which might be what Joe Gibbs sees him as, a third down multi option.

I think it'd be great if he turned out to be the real deal, but I'm not expecting it.
:2cents:

I disagree with your assessment. He looks like he really knows how to follow blocks and has good speed. I really liked what I saw. I know the CFL isn't the greatest league, but, he has good jeans and real good athetic ability. His style looks like it's in the Sean Alexander, Mike Anderson mode where he sets up blocks, runs a little high, but has really good speed. I could definitely see him returning kicks next season.

[UpNorth]

I can't wait to see this guy play to see if he's for real. He sure looked good on those highlight tapes but those are against canadian football bums.

Remember though that most of those guys he played against in the CFL are American NCAA guys that didn't get drafted or tried out for NFL clubs and got cut. Alot of them have made NFL teams and then were released after a couple years of being backups. Travis Claridge, who just passed away sadly, had even started at OT for Atlanta I think it was. These aren't exactly bums, they just didn't make the NFL. Other guys have had long NFL careers but have gotten old and don't want to stop playing. Remember, there are many CFL guys that have come to the NFL and made a significant impact, Flutie, Garcia, Ismail, and Warren Moon to name a few....

To respond to an earlier post about him being a willing blocker and whatnot, I think his mindset is a little bit different than alot of guys that come out of NCAA schools. Now, of course, this is just my opinion, but the attitude I get from alot of young prospects is that they deserve to be on a team right away, like they assume it's just going to happen. If anything I think Jesse realised after the Seahawks thing that he is coming in against the odds. Talking to him about the NFL, he honestly gives off the impression that he will sacrifice himself to make a team, even if it's practice squad. He will block, he will take a huge hit, he'll do anything to make the team, and after that he'll do anything to stay on it. Alot of guys say playing in the NFL is their dream, well Jesse is an example of the guy who totally means it, and has dedicated his life to achieving it.

I think you're going to see a guy who is putting everything he has into every chance he gets, and we just have to hope that's enough....

[Cskin]

Mike Sellers.. he's a former CFLer.... and he seems to be a rather integral part of the Redskins offense. I think this guy is going to suprise us.

[Stew]

I see him as practice squad material at the moment.

Then again it could be because I'm one of the Millions, and Millions Of Rock's fans that want to see him in Burgundy and gold again this upcoming season


Im hoping Rock plays special teams exclusively and it puts Lumsden in RB with some special teams action as well.

[WinSkins]

Even if you can't help find Jessie Lumsden, you can click on link below to vote for Marcus for AOL Fan Choice Award! He deserves our support! :cheers:http://sports.aol.com/nfl/jbawards2006 (http://sports.aol.com/nfl/jbawards2006)

[sumodat]

somodat
if you look at all the video, and still maintain your position re speed and vision, then i think you need glasses
re betts and rock - they are super - but lumsden, younger and faster and more versatile, not to mention larger, might prove very interesting to gibbs
the pre-season games should be lumsden's platform as he is a gamer

I don't agree. I think he is no better than Sultan McCullough.

If he does get any caries in preseason - how would he? He is behind CP, Betts, Rock, Nemo, and the dude that got hurt last year.

He might be able to make a difference on special teams, but I doubt as a RB.

I just think people get facinated with the idea of a new guy.

Remember the basketball player who we brought in last year? He turned out not to be good enough, but people here were facinated. I understand the whole thing with getting excited with a new prospect, but in reality, chances are he is not good enough.

[murtceps]

somodat
there is no way that the washington coaches who worked out lumsden in person, (4.43 at 225lbs - no speed? cmon) watched all his tape from shrine, cfl and college, and then offered him a contract, would agree with a word of what you wrote - it is simply not possible
lumsden seems very talented to the eye (ample evidence) - the skins don't sign people to redskin contracts bc they get kicks out of fresh faces (nor are skins fans generally as unsophisticated as you post might suggest) - clearly some wash coaches projected and liked what they saw and what they see - and some fans, looking at some tape, see something as well

[sumodat]

somodat
there is no way that the washington coaches who worked out lumsden in person, (4.43 at 225lbs - no speed? cmon) watched all his tape from shrine, cfl and college, and then offered him a contract, would agree with a word of what you wrote - it is simply not possible
lumsden seems very talented to the eye (ample evidence) - the skins don't sign people to redskin contracts bc they get kicks out of fresh faces (nor are skins fans generally as unsophisticated as you post might suggest) - clearly some wash coaches projected and liked what they saw and what they see - and some fans, looking at some tape, see something as well

I didn't say he doesn't have speed. I said he never broke away. Listen, he is talented, no doubt. I just don't think he is going to be able to make our squad. I also stand by my statement that people get facinated with the idea of new prospects. That is just my opinion. I have no way to look into the future. But is you asked me to guess, I would say he will not make our team as a RB. I don't know how good he is at special teams, but we have a log jam at RB and I don't think he is as good as any of our current RB's.

I am still excited to see what Nemo can do. I think he can be thunder to CP's lightening.

[murtceps]

somodat - completely separate question
what objective stuff is there on nemo - the pre draft stuff all said (every expert) that he has zero elusivity and that he is not an nfl tb as there is no lateral ability - they were clear too - not little lateral ability, but none whatsoever - i know he is big, and for his size i guess fast (but will easily be the slowest tb in camp) - is he strictly a short yardage pile mover? (a la jacobs - even then, giants fans might disagree) - hback? - TE? - strictly blocking fb? - what is thunderous beyond the fact that he is clearly a great guy? am curious
thx

[sumodat]

somodat - completely separate question
what objective stuff is there on nemo - the pre draft stuff all said (every expert) that he has zero elusivity and that he is not an nfl tb as there is no lateral ability - they were clear too - not little lateral ability, but none whatsoever - i know he is big, and for his size i guess fast (but will easily be the slowest tb in camp) - is he strictly a short yardage pile mover? (a la jacobs - even then, giants fans might disagree) - hback? - TE? - strictly blocking fb? - what is thunderous beyond the fact that he is clearly a great guy? am curious
thx

Well, Nemo made the team first of all. Also, Byner has been big on him. He said he is excited about him and he said the ground moves when he runs.

I view Nemo as a change of pace back opposite CP. I big banger. To me, just like NY's Jacobs.

I think he would be a RB - short yardage type.

We have Betts and Rock behind CP. I am not under the impression we need another RB in the mix. Nemo, I think, would be a situational back. I doubt he would go in to spell CP, or any of the other backs. Strictly situational or change of pace.

[Stew]

Well, Nemo made the team first of all. Also, Byner has been big on him. He said he is excited about him and he said the ground moves when he runs.

I view Nemo as a change of pace back opposite CP. I big banger. To me, just like NY's Jacobs.

I think he would be a RB - short yardage type.

We have Betts and Rock behind CP. I am not under the impression we need another RB in the mix. Nemo, I think, would be a situational back. I doubt he would go in to spell CP, or any of the other backs. Strictly situational or change of pace.


Funny, thats exactly how I view Lumsden. He is a big boy that runs toword contact, can really move a pile. I see him as one of our runningbacks this season. Maybe special teams this season, and since Betts is in the final year of his contract, RB next year. it could easily happen like that. Either way, I cant wait to see him play.

[murtceps]

to me, it doesn't matter if it is lumsden, nemo, or whomever, if you have no projectable upsde in a few areas (from the standard list including hands, elusiveness, on and on) and can only bang in a straight line, then a person's value in the nfl gets diminished quickly unless one's single dimension is as a stud blocking fb, esp in saunders' world

lumsden has many tools, that is clear - preseason will decide (he will get touches despite the pecking order) if he is special enough for the nfl - i wouldn't bet against him. however, even though the odds, logically, are not strongly in his favour - if healthy, he will open eyes - cannot see him rushing for something low in the 2.5 yds/carry range, and/or getting minimal yards in short passing sits - he simply zones in too well on game days - he utterly craves yards w a mental obsession that is his edge, and will do anything to get them

[UpNorth]

he utterly craves yards w a mental obsession that is his edge, and will do anything to get them

Well said. When he gets hit, the concept that the run mught be over doesn't seem to cross his mind. He will run until he is on the ground. The thing about Jesse is that as soon as he gets a little bit of space, he is gonna eat it up quickly so you had better stay in his way. He's not a guy that will step left, make you turn, then cut to the right and break your ankles, he is a runner that will say "I am gonna go left, so try and stop me before I am gone, and if you are able to get your hands on me, then try and take me down..."

And he employs that mentality very well....

[Newera]

I don't agree. I think he is no better than Sultan McCullough.

If he does get any caries in preseason - how would he? He is behind CP, Betts, Rock, Nemo, and the dude that got hurt last year.

He might be able to make a difference on special teams, but I doubt as a RB.

I just think people get facinated with the idea of a new guy.

Remember the basketball player who we brought in last year? He turned out not to be good enough, but people here were facinated. I understand the whole thing with getting excited with a new prospect, but in reality, chances are he is not good enough.

Wanna make a friendly bet.

[Newera]

I'm telling you, the dude is Betts insurance. Bett's will not resign with us next year. He probably wants to start.

[CPstretch]

betts can start and that is reason enough for him to leave. i sure want him to stay but i remember reading in a byner interview earlier this year that he will probably leave after the 2006 season to pursue a starting spot.

[jimster]

betts can start and that is reason enough for him to leave. i sure want him to stay but i remember reading in a byner interview earlier this year that he will probably leave after the 2006 season to pursue a starting spot.


exactly - if Lumsden shows enough in pre-season play to fit into a roster spot, he still may not see the field much, like Nemo this past year (activated only 2 games) but could find a role as a 3rd down guy, like Betts, in the future.

I admit Saunders is the guy he'd probably have to impress the most to make the team though.

...I have a feeling we'll be talking a lot about this when the pre-season games start.

[CPstretch]

i feel like many of us are getting the impression that saunders is running the show on offense. gibbs is an offensive mastermind and while saunders will be calling the plays, you can bet that a lot of the offensive plays we see will be coming from gibbs.

[indaslums]

Remember though that most of those guys he played against in the CFL are American NCAA guys that didn't get drafted or tried out for NFL clubs and got cut. Alot of them have made NFL teams and then were released after a couple years of being backups. Travis Claridge, who just passed away sadly, had even started at OT for Atlanta I think it was. These aren't exactly bums, they just didn't make the NFL. Other guys have had long NFL careers but have gotten old and don't want to stop playing. Remember, there are many CFL guys that have come to the NFL and made a significant impact, Flutie, Garcia, Ismail, and Warren Moon to name a few....

To respond to an earlier post about him being a willing blocker and whatnot, I think his mindset is a little bit different than alot of guys that come out of NCAA schools. Now, of course, this is just my opinion, but the attitude I get from alot of young prospects is that they deserve to be on a team right away, like they assume it's just going to happen. If anything I think Jesse realised after the Seahawks thing that he is coming in against the odds. Talking to him about the NFL, he honestly gives off the impression that he will sacrifice himself to make a team, even if it's practice squad. He will block, he will take a huge hit, he'll do anything to make the team, and after that he'll do anything to stay on it. Alot of guys say playing in the NFL is their dream, well Jesse is an example of the guy who totally means it, and has dedicated his life to achieving it.

I think you're going to see a guy who is putting everything he has into every chance he gets, and we just have to hope that's enough....

He played his college ball in Canada and was signed as a free agent by Seattle for a while.

[murtceps]

indaslums

piont? (keep in mind that lumsden did not get a chance to play in preseason due to injury - in nfl, if injured as an UFA, you get cut - then lights it up in the cfl)

[Dana87]

Louis Riddick The Redskins Head Scout was asked about Lumsden. Riddick said that Jesse was a very fast big running back. Then Larry Michael made the comment that he will have a hard time making a team that is stocked with good running back. You could clearly see by Riddicks body language that he firmly believes that Lumsden will make the team. he also said to make sure you watch him when he gets a chance in the preseason.

[CPstretch]

i'm looking forward to the competition at the RB position

[WinSkins]

Louis Riddick The Redskins Head Scout was asked about Lumsden. Riddick said that Jesse was a very fast big running back. Then Larry Michael made the comment that he will have a hard time making a team that is stocked with good running back. You could clearly see by Riddicks body language that he firmly believes that Lumsden will make the team. he also said to make sure you watch him when he gets a chance in the preseason.

This observation by Louis Riddick certainly makes me curious to see Lumsden play. Riddick comes across as a very knowledgeable and thoughtful football mind...he's not apt to back someone who doesn't have game!

[Jordash]

I see him in most direct competition with ladell betts. Lumsden is of the same mold in terms of being a larger RB/KR that can also make good plays catching out of the backfield. What to do with all this talent is a problem 5 years ago I wouldn't have imagined we would have to face. Ladell, CP, Nemo, Rock, Mike, Jesse, Chris, John, Kerry, Manuel... How many RB's can one team have on a roster? I'm sorry but having half of those is almost too many.

[kylecoursey]

I think we might be looking at him for the H-Back position. Just a guess. If you watch the video, he has a Cooley-esque feel to him. Only with more speed.

I was thinking the same thing

[CPstretch]

i want to see him make the team because we can use him in a lot of different positions and roles

[murtceps]

given saunders' desire to create mismatches, lumsden's multi dimensions must be highly attractive - he can do so many things out of the backfield, and has an odd package of height, size, instincts and speed

[peanut0862]

the part about him not having lateral movement doesn't hold water,if you look at the tape it shows several very good cut backs

[murtceps]

would be cool to see another canadian connection on the skins like lumsden - the skins prior owner, cooke, was canadian (similar to denver's present owner, another canadian)

[peanut0862]

he could turn out to be another Joey T

[Coach Williams]

Just raising the dead:

From a coaches view I will say he has slightly above average nfl speed, average nfl acceleration, good hands and vision with a physical style of running.....

his negitives off those clips are:

the ball is carried too low on some open field runs= more fumbles @ nfl level

he is shifty in the backfield but in the nfl it will get him killed......portis is a good example.....2,2,1,3,21,2,1,4,5,2,2,6,35...ect..... .this is kind as well......

the obvious lack of exp w/ nfl guys will hold him back early but maybe he could make the team but White may have the final vote b/c of the injury......

TB-

Portis, Betts, Cartwright

HB-

Cooley ( maybe a TE now? )
Sellers

____________

Comp. between:

White
Nemo
This guy

[Dana87]

Redskins moving Nemo to FB. More evidence that Lumsden has the coaches attention? I think so. I can see our backfield like this...

Running Backs
#26 PORTIS
#46 BETTS
#37 LUMSDEN
#40 CARTWRIGHT

Fullbacks
#45 SELLERS
#36 BROUGHTON

I think that is all the backs we will have on the active roster. I really think Lumsden will push Betts for playing time. The best thing that Betts has going for him is that Gibbs does not like having Rookies carry the ball.

[murtceps]

that lumsden played so well in half a PRO season must give them some comfort - he is still a rookie, but...

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

The Great White Hype



Its a Merlot Brougham(Bro-ham)


Ohhhh, you mean Brougham(Braum)

[s0crates]

He needs to add bulk to make it though. Man, I don't know. I was watching Redskins.com TV, and he looked like the biggest non-linemen in rookie camp.

[s0crates]

I see him as practice squad material at the moment.

Then again it could be because I'm one of the Millions, and Millions Of Rock's fans that want to see him in Burgundy and gold again this upcoming seasonMe too. I say we keep CP and Rock, but cut Betts. This guy looks like an upgrade over Betts to me.

[s0crates]

The video clip didn't impress me that much. He seemed slow, even by CFL standards and didn't break any tackles. Did you even watch the video?

[s0crates]

I didn't say he doesn't have speed. I said he never broke away. You should watch the whole tape before you make a statement like that, he broke several long runs.