Gibbs Has Cleaned House

[CPstretch]

with the departure of patrick ramsey, the redskins have very very few members left on the roster who are holdovers from the spurrier era.

Of the starters, samuels, dockery, thomas, jansen, wynn and marshall remain. most of the people who gibbs acquired when he took the team over in 2004 are gone.

im not saying this is a bad thing, but what do you guys think of it

[terpfan]

Interesting thing I noticed about the holdovers. Only two of them ARE NOT offensive linemen. Perhaps this speaks on the importance of stability on the offensive line? Either way I'm really excited that these guys have been together 3 years now.

[sydshobob]

Interesting thing I noticed about the holdovers. Only two of them ARE NOT offensive linemen. Perhaps this speaks on the importance of stability on the offensive line? Either way I'm really excited that these guys have been together 3 years now.

What it really demonstrates is just how inept Spurrier really was. Their biggest problem during his reign was protecting the passer. This is solid evidence that it wasn't the players - it was his system.

[Lil Kenzo]

I am glad to has Gibbs' back. Thats all.

[MisterPinstripe]

Spurrior should have never been allowed into the NFL.

[autographcollector]

there is more ladell betts, ade jimoh, I am sure there are others.

[Critz1407]

It just displays how Spurrier should have never had the oppurtunity. It wasn't the players that were in his system. I was his system that screwed the players.

[CPstretch]

yeah there are more, but i decided just to name starters. ethan albright, rock cartwright, taylor jacobs, and john hall. and jimoh and betts like you said but i believe that is it.

[bulldog]

actually it is the departure of Arrington rather than Ramsey that signals the end of the old era. Arrington's stature, demeanor and controversy marked the 2000-2003 period here in Washington much like Seinfeld dominated the TV ratings in the 1990's.

[skinsrule88]

i dun think that spurrier was ready to coach an NFL team he was kinda coachin us like we were a college team and yea i did notice that protecting the pass was a major weakness during the spurrier era i totally agree spurrier should have never taken the job

[skinsrule88]

but one thing i liked were the uniforms that he used in 2002 or was it 2003 they were kinda cool

[skinsrule88]

did anyone else like the uniforms that were used that one year?????????

[CPstretch]

i personally hated them. no joke.

[Stew]

70th anniversay jerseys? Eh, what I really want is them to bring back the yellow helmet with the R on the side. That is the Helmet I am going to buy and take to training camp. All yellow, so the Sharpie shows up well.

[skinsrule88]

i mean they were cool for that year but not to keep forever, the yellow helmet with the R is a classic thatd b cool to bring back, the symbol on the helmets were kinda cool for the 70th anniversay jerseys thats all

[skinsrule88]

so nobody liked them at all huh well everyone has their opinions

[Darth Tater]

Our turnover from the SOS era is just about what you'd expect over three years

[Bhutanibeast]

gibbs is back. spurrier is gone. life is good.

[FootballGuy2677]

with the departure of patrick ramsey, the redskins have very very few members left on the roster who are holdovers from the spurrier era.

Of the starters, samuels, dockery, thomas, jansen, wynn and marshall remain. most of the people who gibbs acquired when he took the team over in 2004 are gone.

im not saying this is a bad thing, but what do you guys think of it


People like Lavar Arrington, Rod Gardner, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, ect are no longer on the team. Then brought people like Santana Moss, Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Clinton Portis, and ________(replacing lavar) to replace them.

[FootballGuy2677]

yeah there are more, but i decided just to name starters. ethan albright, rock cartwright, taylor jacobs, and john hall. and jimoh and betts like you said but i believe that is it.

All thos names you named except Ethan Albright and Rock Cartwright shouldnt be on the team for much more than 2 more seasons.


Hopfully Ade Jimoh can stay and if he cant he can find a job hopfully. The man plays hard! >.<

[CPstretch]

taylor jacobs might not be on the team this year....

[AJ_Skins]

4 coaches in 6 years. 5 if you count Robiskie. That's all there is to say.

[MidPennSkin]

There are 12 players still here, although Jacobs will probably be gone soon:

Ethan Albright, T
Ladell Betts, RB
Rock Cartwright, FB
Derrick Dockery, G
John Hall, K
Taylor Jacobs, WR
Jon Jansen, T
Ade Jimoh, CB
Lemar Marshall, LB
Chris Samuels, T
Randy Thomas, G
Renaldo Wynn, DT

I remember someone saying when Gibbs first came back, that we would be surprised who was eventually let go. Bailey was clearly a short-timer when Gibbs came in, but who would have expected Coles, Arrington, Ramsey and Smoot to be gone in 2 years, along with a bunch of lesser lights? I sure didn't, although after seeing what the team did last year, I'm willing to give the coaches the benefit of the doubt when judging their recent acquisitions and cuts.

[emonroe726]

so nobody liked them at all huh well everyone has their opinions

I loved those unis and "had" big hopes when they wore them.

[the burgundy and gold]

did anyone else like the uniforms that were used that one year?????????

i personally loved those unis, i wish we wore them more often:point2sky

[dfbovey]

with the departure of patrick ramsey, the redskins have very very few members left on the roster who are holdovers from the spurrier era.

Of the starters, samuels, dockery, thomas, jansen, wynn and marshall remain. most of the people who gibbs acquired when he took the team over in 2004 are gone.

im not saying this is a bad thing, but what do you guys think of it

Not all of the guys you listed are Spurrier players... meaning players the team aquired while Spurrier was the head coach.

[mdrun]

What it really demonstrates is just how inept Spurrier really was. Their biggest problem during his reign was protecting the passer. This is solid evidence that it wasn't the players - it was his system.

Actually wouldn't that point to it being the players that were the problem? If Gibbs had succeeded with Spurrier's players, then that would point to the problem with the system.

[CPstretch]

Not all of the guys you listed are Spurrier players... meaning players the team aquired while Spurrier was the head coach.

i meant people who were on the team before gibbs came back...also known as people on the team from the spurrier era

[TheBeast36]

well let's see... we sucked under spurrier and now we are a legit super bowl contender...

you bet i'm ok with it! GIBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBS!

[IBleedBurgundy&Gold]

i personally loved those unis, i wish we wore them more often:point2sky

Alot of people liked them and I am one who did but I think the reason we got rid of them was to show the whole league(including us) that Spurrier's Reign is over. No more funny **** :Timeto get down to business!

[LarryBrownsFan]

Alot of people liked them and I am one who did but I think the reason we got rid of them was to show the whole league(including us) that Spurrier's Reign is over. No more funny **** :Timeto get down to business!

You need an extra *.

There are five letters in the word "stuff". ;)

[Fede]

I have been saying for years to my friends that Ramsey would be good under a system that protects the passer, but Spurrier screwed him up so much, rattled his cage so much, and made it so Ramsey made bad choices. Same thing is happening to David Carr. Hopefully the Jets can reprogram Ramsey, settle him down, and make him into a good contender like he has the potential to be.

[Enter Apotheosis]

I remember someone saying when Gibbs first came back, that we would be surprised who was eventually let go. Bailey was clearly a short-timer when Gibbs came in, but who would have expected Coles, Arrington, Ramsey and Smoot to be gone in 2 years, along with a bunch of lesser lights? I sure didn't, although after seeing what the team did last year, I'm willing to give the coaches the benefit of the doubt when judging their recent acquisitions and cuts.

With the exception of Bailey, none of those guys have really made any sort of a splash elsewhere. Coles is stuck with Jets who played last season worse than we did when he was with us, Smoot was demoted to nickelback with the Vikings, Arrington hasn't been able to find anyone willing to pay him what he wants, and Ramsey found out that he was only worth a 6th round pick years after being taken in the first.

With the exception of Ramsey, these were all guys I thought we'd be seeing in burgundy and gold for years to come... but now I don't miss any of them all that much (it would be nice to still have Champ... but Portis is just that much better).

[E-Dog Night]

This is what coaches do, not just Gibbs. You hear this time and time again.

When Norv came in, in a few years it was "Only Darrell Green is left from the Gibbs era."

Then Shotty got a bunch of new players and the talk was how quickly the roster turned over in 1 year. Then in Spurrier's second year you heard "only so and so are left over from the Norv Turner era."

It's like a broken record with this team. But with 4 coaches in such a short peroid of time, it's what you'd expect.

[ImmortalDragon]

Its extremely hard to watch my childhood favorites go, from Stephen Davis to Lavar. I hate it and I'll never forget it, but in the end its for the best.

[chiefhogskin48]

I have always thought it was important to clean out the 'old guard' of Redskins losers. That actually includes good player like Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey, and to a lesser extent Lavar Arrington. These young players were tainted with the stench of losing, and seemed to make mistakes at the worst possible times (Davis' fumbles, Bailey getting torched by Rocket Ismail, Lavar getting out of position).

The new breed of 'Skins seem to rise to the occasion, defend the home field, and are mentally tough. No longer are the division rivals unbeatable. No longer will mistakes mean a certain defeat.

Gibbs' is having the most effect on HIS guys. Not the guys who were skeptical and thought "here we go again" when the legend came to town.

[scruffylookin]

actually it is the departure of Arrington rather than Ramsey that signals the end of the old era. Arrington's stature, demeanor and controversy marked the 2000-2003 period here in Washington much like Seinfeld dominated the TV ratings in the 1990's.

Yeah riiiiiiiight.

How about the stature, demeanor and controversy swirling around Sean Taylor? That's okay? Does that represent Gibbs Era 2 so far?

So LaVar is now the poster boy for what went wrong in 2000-2003 despite the fact that he was in fact one of if not the only bright spot.

By this logic, Sonny Jurgensen is the poster boy for the losers we fielded in the 1960's right? I mean it must have been Sonny's fault they never developed a running game. It must have been Sonny's fault they never had a defense. Sonny's beer gut clearly demonstrated his lack of discipline and dedication and being the QB, that attitude must have filtered down to the other players......right?

Bottom line, the signal of an end to the "old" era was the hiring of Gibbs himself and giving him the title of President. When Snyder did that and stuck to it (unlike what he pulled with Marty) that was when this franchise got back on it's feet. Marty had this team going in a similar direction as Gibbs and he was doing it WITH LaVar but then had the rug pulled out from under his feet by Snyder.

After the stability that Gibbs has brought, I'd say it's not one player being gone that represents a change, but the fact that they're all gone. Champ,LC,Rod,Patrick and finally LaVar all had opportunities to stay but wanted to leave for whatever reasons. The fact that Gibbs allowed them to leave (even taking a huge cap hit to move LC) signals the shift in philosophy. He only wants players who want to be here and who enjoy being here. But to single out LaVar (or any one player) and to somehow make him a poster child for the ills of this organization is laughable.