Clark's take on the skins offseason

[flash22]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9349733

Sportsline Clark Judge had this to say about the winners and losers of free agency.


Worst free-agent additions

3. Antwaan Randle El, Washington: Here's another one I don't understand. You guarantee $11.5 million for a guy who, essentially, is a return specialist? Wow. What a great country. Yes, he can do a lot of things, but serving as your No. 2 receiver isn't one of them. Randle El's specialty is that he's versatile, but he won't catch more than 35-45 passes a year.


Under the radar

4. Andre Carter, Washington: Once, San Francisco attracted talent; now it drives it away -- and here's the proof. Carter could be a terrific pass rusher ... and was when the 49ers played a 4-3. But he was lost as a linebacker and quickly fell out of favor. Leave it to defensive coordinator Gregg Williams to find the right defense for this guy. Remember, Carter had 12.5 sacks in 2002. That's not that long ago. And he's only 26. I didn't like a lot of what Washington did, but I did like this move. Look for Carter to have a big year.


What I think about ...


2. The Washington Redskins: Daniel Snyder is the George Steinbrenner of football, and if he can't win a championship, he'll buy one. He overpaid to keep defensive coordinator Gregg Williams; he overpaid to hire offensive coordinator Al Saunders. Then he overpaid just about every free agent the club signed, and outside of Andre Carter, I'm not sure the Redskins helped themselves all that much. I remember running into a Pittsburgh assistant at the NFL scouting combine in February, and he told me he didn't think the Steelers could keep Antwaan Randle El because someone would pay him $7 million-$8 million. Then the Redskins laid out $11.5 in guaranteed money. My Steelers guy was floored. Randle El is versatile, but he's a No. 3 receiver who can return punts. Yeah, he can throw. He can run. He can catch. But he's not your second receiver, and last year's numbers prove it: He had 35 catches for Pittsburgh -- or nearly half the total of Hines Ward. I thought Washington was nuts when it handed Laveranues Coles a $13 million signing bonus three years ago, but at least he was their lead receiver. In Randle El, you just spent megabucks for a return specialist.

[forbeskin]

Randle El is versatile, he can throw, he can run, he can catch, he can return punts.

Enough said!

How many other receivers in the league can you say the same for? The dude is a special talent and I'm glad he's on our team.

[RedskinsFan72]

I think the Skins overpaid for him. But then again, I think virtually everyone in the NFL is overpaid.

But Im glad we have him too. He gives us lots of options. And his passes look better than Portis' wounded ducks :laugh:

[MattGeorge85]

Randle-El was not signed to be a complete "go to" guy but merely to supplement to the offense that is being constructed at this time. Anyone who can contribute and make this year's offense less predictable will be a welcome addition. As for the dollars, I think that the front office should worry about that. Defenitely not some blow-hard sportswriter that seems to have a bias against Washington anyways. The genious of the off-season will only be realized when next year's defenders will have no idea where the ball is going to next...much unlike last season (and we know how that turned out).

:logo:

[Stew]

I think the Skins overpaid for him. But then again, I think virtually everyone in the NFL is overpaid.

But Im glad we have him too. He gives us lots of options. And his passes look better than Portis' wounded ducks :laugh:


True that, I wondered about one of his passes, but it made it!

[aussieskin]

I think I saw the same thing written about two weeks ago, is all these people do is rehash last weeks news, I think we should ignore all these mediots, all we do is encourage them.
By the way ARE hasnt been coached by Joe Gibbs yet either, and if Joe thinks he can be a No2 receiver then he will be a number 2 reciever.


Hail all things redskins:especially telling mediots to stick in the pipe and smoke it

[Badgerrocks]

Has it actually been determined that ARE is our number 2? I don't think it has.

[Stew]

Has it actually been determined that ARE is our number 2? I don't think it has.


He wont be, but if any of our recievers get hurt, we have awesome depth.

[mhd24]

Who the heck cares if we overpaid for assistants?

[RoidRage]

Does Al Saunders really care about WR's pecking order and who's #1, #2, #3, #4, etc.. I can see 2,3,4, and 5 receiver sets with numerous combonations !! SM, Loydd, ARE, Patten, Trash, even Cooley .... Of course Santana is #1, but behind that you could have anyone on the other side of the field at any given time !!

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS !!!!

[Burgold]

Snyder overpaid for coaches? What's the problem? If Saunders has been the best OC for several years running and Williams is one of the top DC out there and there's no cap why not lock 'em up. The coaching carosel has hurt the Redskins a lot over the years. Having a new A DC every year isn't good. Getting and keeping the best is.

As for Lloyd, El, Carter, AA, and the rest... we'll find out how well they fit, but for the moment the one place we know they fit is under the salary cap.

[Art McDonough]

If Randall El catches 45 passes this year, we're in the SB.

[Loxley]

So what if ARE was our no. 3 receiver and the plan is to make LLoyd our number 2 opposite Moss. From reading that article it seems like Judge just forgot that we signed Lloyd also.

Everywhere i look i see the media ragging on about how we overpaid for Randle-El and that he wont amount to much more than a number 3 etc, but then i just think to myself. Hey what if that was the plan all along.

[Mister Happy]

So Randle El had 35 catches. Santana Moss only had 45 catches the year before we signed him. That was the year that Coles had 168 passes thrown to him. Everybody thought Santana was overpaid and not a #1 WR, but he said that if he had as many passes as Coles, he would have big numbers, too.

He was right, so be careful about knocking a guy for only not having a lot of catches.

Right now, we have 3 of the top 16 WRs in yards per catch for 2005, and David Patten was 5th in 2004. What we have are playmakers. They may not have had a lot of opportunities, but when they get them, they make something happen. They'll get a lot more opportunities this season.

[bubba9497]

Clark Judge is a football genius






April fools

[Goaldeje]

What I think about ...


2. The Washington Redskins: Daniel Snyder is the George Steinbrenner of football, and if he can't win a championship, he'll buy one. He overpaid to keep defensive coordinator Gregg Williams; he overpaid to hire offensive coordinator Al Saunders. Then he overpaid just about every free agent the club signed, and outside of Andre Carter, I'm not sure the Redskins helped themselves all that much. I remember running into a Pittsburgh assistant at the NFL scouting combine in February, and he told me he didn't think the Steelers could keep Antwaan Randle El because someone would pay him $7 million-$8 million. Then the Redskins laid out $11.5 in guaranteed money. My Steelers guy was floored. Randle El is versatile, but he's a No. 3 receiver who can return punts. Yeah, he can throw. He can run. He can catch. But he's not your second receiver, and last year's numbers prove it: He had 35 catches for Pittsburgh -- or nearly half the total of Hines Ward. I thought Washington was nuts when it handed Laveranues Coles a $13 million signing bonus three years ago, but at least he was their lead receiver. In Randle El, you just spent megabucks for a return specialist.


People don't seem to understand "worth" or "value". There is little or no intrinsic value in a football player. The value placed on him is done so by exterior forces (ie. GMs, other players, agents, etc). Therefore, a player's value may be greater or less for one team when compared with another. I seel advertising. For some of my clients, there's not enough money in their world to pay for what I give them. They wouldn't raise an eyebrow if I doubled or tripled their ad prices. For others, ours is an ancillary market, and doubling or tripling their rates would mean losing them as customers. That's the way it is. ARE was worth more to us than other teams. It really doesn't matter if he was "worth" it to Clark Judge, Pasquerelli or anyone else. He was worth it to our team. The team is in the only position to judge that, not anyone else in the media.

Another example. Do I think the Viking's contract proposal to Steve Hutchinson was a lot? Well, yes. I think if the contract pays out the way they structured it, the Vikes overpaid. But you know what? Apparently, the Skins did not need a LG as much as the Vikes did. Therefore, he was worth more to the Vikes than he was to the Skins, and therefore, to me. So did they overpay for him? I would argue not. You can make the arguement that a front office thinks too much of a player, or conversely, underestimates the impact a player would have on their team. But the over-paying arguement is ignorant at worst, and weak at best.

[FootballGuy2677]

He overpaid? Dude, **** you! Whoever offers the most money gets him. 100 dollars to us is like 50 dollars to dan. Dont hate just becuase you prediction of cap hell, the 2005-2006 redskins 4-12 record, and the prediction joe gibbs wasnt fit for the nfl were all wrong dosnt mean you have to write crap like this up. I can understand Randle El...but please!!!!!!! This guy is a bigger idiot that King or Persquielli.

[CrossWalker]

The thing I don't get is the garage sale mentality of sports writers and so called experts. It's never that "the Redskins picked up a washed out guy that can't do much for them". It's always "I can't believe that they guaranteed this guy so much money". It just shows a total ignorance toward the way the team operates with the salary cap.

This guy's not blasting us for bringing in a game changer that can turn a game with a trick play or explosive speed on offense, but can also win a game with his awesome punt return ability. Instead, it's all about guaranteeing him 11 mil. Last I checked this league was about winning not frugalty. ARE is a guy that can and probably will get us 2 wins a year just with his explosiveness and that's worth the guaranteed 11 mil he'll get for the 4 seasons he'll probably be with the team. To be honest the difference he can make in field position alone is simply huge for a team with this kind of defense.

[Art]

You know, you almost wonder when someone will bother to look beyond just the guarantees and into the actual deal itself.

[CrossWalker]

Right now, we have 3 of the top 16 WRs in yards per catch for 2005, and David Patten was 5th in 2004. What we have are playmakers. They may not have had a lot of opportunities, but when they get them, they make something happen. They'll get a lot more opportunities this season.

Absolutely, that WR screen is even more devastating when you think that we can get it out into the hands of another open field runner like ARE. It's scary to thik of what these recievers can do after the catch.

[bobzmuda]

Daniel Snyder is the George Steinbrenner of football, and if he can't win a championship, he'll buy one.

The thought of an owner spending money to try and win is repulsive. Snyder should take a page out of Jeff Lurie's book on not spending money and trying to win.

[Louie 14]

He is an idiot. If ball is not thrown to you, can you catch it?

[Mister Happy]

Interesting how many excuses he makes for the Cleveland Browns and all of their overpaying while naming them a free agent winner.

[fussels813]

I dont understand all of this buying a superbowl junk. What are teams supposed to do? Maybe we can hover around 20 million under the cap. it seems to be working for the Cards.

[JPM285181]

Im always entertained when these sportswriters spout off. In my opinion If Moss has 80 rec Cooley 40 Randel El 45 Lloyd 40......... then thats much better than Moss getting 100 and everyone else getting 20-30. Having multiple threats is what will define this team.

[the burgundy and gold]

Clark Judge is a football genius






April fools


hahahaha the first good april fools joke i've heard all day

[JPM285181]

I dont understand all of this buying a superbowl junk. What are teams supposed to do? Maybe we can hover around 20 million under the cap. it seems to be working for the Cards. The Redskins LOYAL fan base is what makes the Redskins well of financially and Snyder cant buy that, it just puts him in a position to spend up to the SALARY CAP. Steinbrenner doesnt have to worry about that.

[paintrain]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9349733
2. The Washington Redskins: Daniel Snyder is the George Steinbrenner of football, and if he can't win a championship, he'll buy one. He overpaid to keep defensive coordinator Gregg Williams; he overpaid to hire offensive coordinator Al Saunders. Then he overpaid just about every free agent the club signed, and outside of Andre Carter, I'm not sure the Redskins helped themselves all that much. I remember running into a Pittsburgh assistant at the NFL scouting combine in February, and he told me he didn't think the Steelers could keep Antwaan Randle El because someone would pay him $7 million-$8 million. Then the Redskins laid out $11.5 in guaranteed money. My Steelers guy was floored. Randle El is versatile, but he's a No. 3 receiver who can return punts. Yeah, he can throw. He can run. He can catch. But he's not your second receiver, and last year's numbers prove it: He had 35 catches for Pittsburgh -- or nearly half the total of Hines Ward. I thought Washington was nuts when it handed Laveranues Coles a $13 million signing bonus three years ago, but at least he was their lead receiver. In Randle El, you just spent megabucks for a return specialist.
This is where the mediots really annoy me.. Who are they to say how Snyder spends his money? If Clark Judge, Pastabelly, Dr. Z, Pete Prickso, Peter Queen, Don Banks, any of those clowns wants something and can afford it and goes out and gets it isn't someone going to say they overpaid for it? It's his friggin money!! We still have cap room to boot so I don't want to hear the 'cap hell' garbage either..

The mediots also kill me with the expectation that Randle-El will be the #2 WR. LLoyd is going to be #2, Randle El will be the slot guy but will get 8-10 touches a game with handoffs, reverses, catches, returns. If he changes field position in the return game and can be an improvement over what Thrash gave us last year, he is worth the $$.

Not sure the Redskins helped themselves that much? Randle-El & Lloyd vs. Patten & Thrash-UPGRADE, Carter vs. Wynn-UPGRADE, Archuleta vs. Clark-UPGRADE..

I think we could have done a 53 for 53 trade with the Steelers and they would say 'Well the new Redskins just got a year older and are playing in a tougher division. They're going to be lucky to win 8-9 games.'

[bobzmuda]

Another Clark Gem from last year

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8640686


7. Will Joe Gibbs get it turned around in Washington?

No, and, trust me, it hurts to say it. The classy Gibbs was a great coach who pulled the most out of his clubs in the 1980s. But that was two decades ago, and Gibbs last year seemed out of step with the times. I know, the Redskins changed their offense and blocking schemes, but does anyone really believe this team is better with Santana Moss instead of Laveranues Coles? Without Fred Smoot? Without Antonio Pierce? Plus, what's the deal with Sean Taylor? Then there's this: If the organization doesn't believe it can win with Patrick Ramsey -- as the draft of first-rounder Jason Campbell suggests -- why should we? The problem with Washington is that there hasn't been consistency with the players or the coaching staff since Dan Snyder took over, and that's a recipe for disaster. Fasten your seat belts; it's going to be bumpy ride.

[Zazzaro703]

RE might end up our #3, and guess what? RE as our #3 WR is a matchup nightmare for every team we will play. RE on the field means a smaller, quicker guy on the field to oover him rather than a linebacker or huge safety which in turns gives portis or cooley one more person to run over when that smaller guy is too weak to tackle either of them.

[supafly]

oh comon guys. We thrive on the media saying we suck, our [insert redskins player/coach here] is [overrated, overpaid, too old, etc]. and oh boy do we like to quote them a year later and rub it in. ^^^^ ;)

[PleaseBlitz]

Hmmm... let's think about this. Sure, he only caught 35 or so balls. But what type of offense does Pittsburgh have? Oh, a run first, run second, throw third? That's right. I'm sure if Randle El were in St. Louis or Indy these last few years he'd be putting up much higher reception numbers.



http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9349733

Sportsline Clark Judge had this to say about the winners and losers of free agency.


Worst free-agent additions

3. Antwaan Randle El, Washington: Here's another one I don't understand. You guarantee $11.5 million for a guy who, essentially, is a return specialist? Wow. What a great country. Yes, he can do a lot of things, but serving as your No. 2 receiver isn't one of them. Randle El's specialty is that he's versatile, but he won't catch more than 35-45 passes a year.


Under the radar

4. Andre Carter, Washington: Once, San Francisco attracted talent; now it drives it away -- and here's the proof. Carter could be a terrific pass rusher ... and was when the 49ers played a 4-3. But he was lost as a linebacker and quickly fell out of favor. Leave it to defensive coordinator Gregg Williams to find the right defense for this guy. Remember, Carter had 12.5 sacks in 2002. That's not that long ago. And he's only 26. I didn't like a lot of what Washington did, but I did like this move. Look for Carter to have a big year.


What I think about ...


2. The Washington Redskins: Daniel Snyder is the George Steinbrenner of football, and if he can't win a championship, he'll buy one. He overpaid to keep defensive coordinator Gregg Williams; he overpaid to hire offensive coordinator Al Saunders. Then he overpaid just about every free agent the club signed, and outside of Andre Carter, I'm not sure the Redskins helped themselves all that much. I remember running into a Pittsburgh assistant at the NFL scouting combine in February, and he told me he didn't think the Steelers could keep Antwaan Randle El because someone would pay him $7 million-$8 million. Then the Redskins laid out $11.5 in guaranteed money. My Steelers guy was floored. Randle El is versatile, but he's a No. 3 receiver who can return punts. Yeah, he can throw. He can run. He can catch. But he's not your second receiver, and last year's numbers prove it: He had 35 catches for Pittsburgh -- or nearly half the total of Hines Ward. I thought Washington was nuts when it handed Laveranues Coles a $13 million signing bonus three years ago, but at least he was their lead receiver. In Randle El, you just spent megabucks for a return specialist.

[bulldog]

Perhaps Randle El and Lloyd's numbers will improve in Washington under a better offensive coordinator? :)

No offense to the Steelers and Cowher, but the Pittsburgh attack was based on running the ball more than any other team in the NFL and then throwing what seemed like 70% of its passes to Hines Ward and Heath Miller in the short and intermediate zones.

Not a lot of down the field ability for this team in 2005.

The Redskins are set to attack the middle of the field and deep in 2006. That requires having three receivers with speed and playmaking ability.

I agree that Randle El is probably not going to be a true #1 receiver in the NFL, after all he played quarterback until 4 years ago.

But he definitely has the skills to be to the Skins what Az-Hakim was to the Rams attack, a #3 receiver with the ability to beat anybody's backup corners and linebackers.

[TheLongshot]

I don't disagree that we probably overpaid for Randle El a bit. I also don't disagree with his assessment of Randle El.

That being said, if he fills a need on this team, then he's worth it, even if he continues to just give to us what he has given Pittsburgh. As Art suggests, the signing bonus really only matters to Snyder if he wants to pay that much. It is the cap number that is important, and it is pretty low for 3 seasons. So, if we get 3-4 years for a ST player who can make the occasional big play on the field, so be it.

Also, it makes me scratch my head that he thinks the only place where we helped ourselves is at DE, when we acquired a couple of WRs, which was our weakest position last year. Course, these guys couldn't see New England coming either, so what do they know?

Jason

[whatmeworry]

This is a great example why coaches - esp Hall of Fame coaches - are coaches.

And why writers are generally ---------------- idiots.

[AzSkinsFan63]

Sportsline has way overpaid Clark....but hey he's versatile...he can type, he can read, he can write football articles that talk 90% about how a team spent it's money. whoopeee!!!

These guys play fantasy football way to much...

[HailYeah]

Funny. Not one mention of Brandon Lloyd or the fact that he will be our #2 receiver in all likelihood.

[THEHEREAFTER]

I don't think that Randel-El or Lloyd are really that good and we all know that David Patten is garbage.. basically done. Although you overpaid, the skins still did an excellent job in balancing out their offense. Both Randel-El and Lloyd combined are good enough to provide Saunders with plenty of options. Throw in Moss, Cooley, Portis and the skins should have Gibbs best offense since his return. I'm not quite sold on Brunell though and if you go to Campbell he has to learn.

[GSF]

The link that Bobzmuda posted says all you need to know about this putz.

[PCRoughrider]

First off, let me state that Clark Judge is an ass and an idiot.

Now, for the substance of what he wrote.

It's impossible to "overpay" for coaches. You pay them what you think they're worth. They're Dan Snyder's employees and he can pay them whatever he sees fit. And, I'll ask again what I've posted here time and time again, if we "overpaid" for someone, how much does he (and others) think we should have paid? Give us a figure how much two of the top minds in their area of expertise are worth?

And this "$11.5 million guaranteed money", seems to be just stuck in his craw. Since it's not really $11.5 million guaranteed, does he not know this or does he choose not to know it? It would take him almost no time to figure out how this contract is structured, so he could see that ARE didn't get a check for $11.5 million when he signed his name on the dotted line. The only part of this contract that's guaranteed is the signing bonus because that's all the money he got upon completing the deal. And that signing bonus is substantially less than $11.5 million. All the other "guaranteed" money, he only gets if the team wishes to give it to him.

And ARE will catch more than "35-45" passes this year, easily.

Again, restating, Clark Judge, idiot and ass.

[stat2883]

what follows here are my personal thoughts on our offseason additions and will most likely end up being a summary of what's already been said because I waited till page 3 to post :)

Al Saunders overpaid? Nope...no cap on coaches..pay them what you want.

Overpaid for Randel El? He's only a 35-45 catch guy? Eh..that depends on Al Saunders. Here's what I see:

Portis, Cooley, Moss, Lloyd, Randel El
vs.
Holmes, Gonzales, Kennison, Parker, Hall

Saunders has got to be giddy. Portis has just as much talent as Holmes did pre-injury. I'll give the TE position to KC on this one, but Cooley is no slouch. How can you not like Captain Chaos? Kennison, Parker, and Hall against Moss, Lloyd, and Randel El? Does anything really need to be said? KC had to lean on the TE and RB position. We're balanced all around and will have more/better options. All that's left to see is something that's already been discussed - how well will Brunell and the O-line play? I'd liken Randel El to a Dante Hall type player with a slight trade off. Hall is a better returner, but Randel El is a better receiver...not to mention a QB in disguise.

Andre Carter? Well this article actually liked him, as I'm sure 99% of us here do, so I'll leave that one alone.

oh yeah...add to this a healthy David Patten who is itching to compete and play an integral part of this team.

now to add a little more depth and find a LB and CB.

[IM A REDSKIN FAN]

Hating and Jealousy is all I see...

[Gilgamesh]

Este hombre es un pene flácido.

[Jimbo]

Este hombre es un pene flácido.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Monsieur Judge, what exactly IS a Super Bowl victory worth? Do you consider Randel-El a bad signing simply based on what we paid him. If he, Carter, Archuleta, Gregg Williams and Al Saunders help the Skins win a Super Bowl, did we overpay? It's ALL a gamble but EVERY team that signs a free agent gambles.

Oh, and one more thing Clark, you CAN'T buy a championship in the NFL because there is a salary cap. Learn it, know it, live it.

[drums and skins]

Pissed off?

SEND HIM AN E-MAIL.


Seriously, they don't just hand out their e-mails for typos. Send him a nice, composed e-mail about how much of an asshat he is, and if you do it right, you will have the "upperhand" in the end.

B***ing on a messageboard only shares it with the people that already share your disdain for the article. Send your complaints to a place where they matter more - the source.

[CowboysForLife]

Does Al Saunders really care about WR's pecking order and who's #1, #2, #3, #4, etc.. I can see 2,3,4, and 5 receiver sets with numerous combonations !! SM, Loydd, ARE, Patten, Trash, even Cooley .... Of course Santana is #1, but behind that you could have anyone on the other side of the field at any given time !!

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS !!!!

Lay off the freedom pipe...:doh:

Just kidding....

Or am I?:silly:

[somebody509]

He wont be, but if any of our recievers get hurt, we have awesome depth.

I wouldn't rule him out as it though. Llyod does tend to drop A LOT of passes. and for the person who posted underneath of you don't forget Christain F as well.

[TK]

What I think about ...

http://bodyslamming.com/wwe/pics/rock1.jpg
The Rock says... It doesn't matter... what you think.

[NoCalMike]

Anyone see how much Seattle paid for Nate Burleson? Nuff Said.

[Tarpon75]

What about the intangibles that someone like ARE brings to a team?Just signed by the team and already doing community outreach.Have you guys seen his press conferences on Redskins.com?What a person like that brings to a team is invaluable.I wasn't totally solld on him until I saw those pressers.You can't beat character!

[planter]

Skins should have grabbed Pats' free agent WR David Givens, who led the Pat's in post season TDs. At six feet, 220 lbs. he's a lot bigger than (awesome) Moss and co.

Was Jet's DE Abraham unaffordable?

Now we need a MLB - if Lemar's who's about Givens' size - moves outside.

[Gilgamesh]

I think it's been proven that you don't need a large posession reciever with the current pass interference rules. It's also been proven that size does not say anything about a player's ability to block downfield or make a tough catch over the middle. We went with younger guys with more speed and play making ability. I can't argue with that at all. Besides, we have Cooley, Sellers and Fauria for the tough, in traffic catches.

[skinsfan.uk]

Givens. That's a good shout but Lloyd could be huge over the next couple of years and with ARE at number 3 we have the makings of a very good set of WRs.

No wejust need a QB!

Step up Jason Campbell?

[NVskinsfan]

Idoits are "always" stating Randel El had "only" 35 catches in Pittsburgh...well, they were a primary runing team and Ward was their #1 reeiver.....what would you expect?

If Randel El was Pittsburgh's #1, then we would not have signed him, Pitt would have held on to him.......

Gotta love the mediots..... :doh:

[jrockster21]

But he's not your second receiver, and last year's numbers prove it: He had 35 catches for Pittsburgh -- or nearly half the total of Hines Ward.

I wonder if Clark knows that the past two seasons the Steelers were last in the league in passing attempts per game? Or is the simple task of actually looking up stats too hard for him?

[HOF44]

But he's not your second receiver, and last year's numbers prove it: He had 35 catches for Pittsburgh -- or nearly half the total of Hines Ward.

I wonder what he makes of Moss's numbers from his last year with the jets to his first with us?? I guess from his point of view, what your were you will always be. But wait, Moss proved that wrong!

[speedmike]

Skins should have grabbed Pats' free agent WR David Givens, who led the Pat's in post season TDs. At six feet, 220 lbs. he's a lot bigger than (awesome) Moss and co.

Was Jet's DE Abraham unaffordable?

Now we need a MLB - if Lemar's who's about Givens' size - moves outside.

Oh my lord. I HOPE you were being sarcastic.

[jnhay]

Has it actually been determined that ARE is our number 2? I don't think it has.
Of course Lloyd will be the number 2.

[hueman]

ok, i didn't bother to read this thread, but jesus, i have to say something:

all these "journalists" keep comparing snyder to steinbrenner. they realize that every team has a cap and we can only spend what's allowed. they still bash mr. snyder with these ridiculous accusations of trying to "buy" a championship. that's what every damn team does, right? they pay their players and hope for a championship? or did i miss a memo in which championships are won by sacrificing small children to purple polk-dotted fairies in the back alley of chuck e' cheese?

and yet... somehow... they manage to rag on skins' pickups... saying we overpaid, that the players aren't that good, blah blah blah... so how the hell does that equate to buying a championship if we're overpaying for mediocre players that barely perform?

stupid, stupid, stupid... learn some ****ing logic you ****wads.

[CoachingWinsChampionships]

Take a look at Plaxico Burress coming out of Pittsburgh last year, and then think about what ARE has the potential to do. Burress, although I hate him, was a monster ast year, but his stats with the Steelers weren't great. Its clear to me that Randle El has the talent to create matchup problems and create big plays in many different areas. I'm not even going to talk about price b/c it's not really a 6 yeat deal, nor 11.5 million dollars guaranteed. Those numbers are just published by the media to make the contract sound sensational.

[MossFan89]

Anyone see how much Seattle paid for Nate Burleson? Nuff Said.

yeah was up with that? man guess people can't lay off the skins huh?

[Califan007]

I think the Skins overpaid for him. But then again, I think virtually everyone in the NFL is overpaid.

But Im glad we have him too. He gives us lots of options. And his passes look better than Portis' wounded ducks :laugh:
Portis shot-puts his passes...lol...they look like water balloons... :laugh:

[Califan007]

What about the intangibles that someone like ARE brings to a team?Just signed by the team and already doing community outreach.Have you guys seen his press conferences on Redskins.com?What a person like that brings to a team is invaluable.I wasn't totally solld on him until I saw those pressers.You can't beat character!
Cowher seems to think the world of ARE in terms of intangibles and team leadership...said it's next to impossible to just go out and find those things in a free agent, you don't know what you have until adversity starts to overcome your team. ARE has shown already to a HUGELY respected coach what he has...that sealed the deal in my eyes.

[Goaldeje]

or did i miss a memo in which championships are won by sacrificing small children to purple polk-dotted fairies in the back alley of chuck e' cheese?

I got it ... :paranoid:

[misternicely]

First post...I'm so excited <grin>.

In total agreement that a player's value to a team is far more important than his salary. As we all know, salaries frequently change when you build a solid core of players who believe in the system, and have ready cash available to cut a several million dollar check on a whim. To state that one does not like a free agent pickup because the dollars don't make sense to them is irresponsible sports jounalism.

No one has mentioned that we might have had to pay ARE more money because he was not coming here to be a #1 or maybe even a #2 guy. Perhaps without our offer, he would have accepted less to take on a more significant role on another team. There are always intangibles. I am sure somewhere along the way, Snyder or Vinnie said, "Look, we know being behind Santana, and sharing receptions with Lloyd, Cooley and even Patton probably isn't what a team like Chicago can offer you. But we can offer you more money and the ability to play a unique part of a very special offense".

Regardless, despite what we paid any of our free agents (and what we may end up paying Lloyd), it shouldn't and doesn't diminish the quality improvements that have been made this offseason. When its April, before the draft, and our biggest concern is a little depth here and there....I am one happy man.

Go 'Skins! What a great place this is!

Mike :dallasuck

[ntotoro]

Strange how ARE was regarded as one of the top FA picks until we signed him.

[seanyt]

Uh, yeah, ok, to hell with this guy. Not too concerned with his opinion.
We took the best available players we could get to fill needed hole, should we have added a new STARTING G to our line, of course but theres always the draft...
I recall people mocking the skins for the S. Moss acquisition but come end of the season all the critics were silent...

[hueman]

the only critics i'd be worried about are those that actually make accurate predictions and unbiased analysis that actually has merit.


so yeah, that's nobody.

[OldTownFan]

Clark Judge is a football genius






April fools


I know right?

overpaid for Greg Williams.



idiot....






and no, that is not an April fool's comment.

[FootballGuy2677]

I actually agree with him. I thought Randel El was overrated to begin with.

Same, he still is. But the things he brings to the team is hard to explain but is very usefull.

His Intangibles are great, he can throw good, run good, catch pretty good, and kick/punt return great! Joe Gibbs and Al Saunders is gonna find a way to use this guy and make him a bigger star than he is now. Along with Clinton Portis, Chris Cooley, and Brandon Lloyd.

[hueman]

i agree, i feel dubious about ARE, but i'm not qualified to really pass judgement.

[No_Pressure]

Nobody is overpaid until they under-produce. We will have to wait a season the see if we truely overpaid for anybody.

[ZoEd]

I think KC has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt how important a return man is, Dante Hall. This is an integral part of our game that was lacking last season and as we all know special teams are at the top of JG's list of importance. Not only will ARE fill that void, even though he wasn't the #2 in Pitt. he was still a THREAT. Threat being the key. If a defense want's to smother Moss, Lloyd will hurt you. Cover both of them, Cooley will hurt you. If and when you think you have all three of them covered ARE will make you pay.

Play action, oh no ARE is in motion. Is he going to get a reverse, pull up throw a pass? Who know's? Opposing defenses need to know but the THREAT of him being in there keeps them from commiting 8 men in the box creating room for a whole bunch of possibilities on offense.

People bitching about us overpaying are simply hating. People who want to say we're buying a championship, still hating. If you think that JG's is going to allow Danny boy to bring in a bunch of big name talent just for the sake of doing it you're crazy. I can assure you every addition to this team is part of a bigger picture and this coaching staff will find a way to squeeze every ounce of talent out of them. Sooner or later the mediots and ANALysts will have to recognize that this is team is different than past Dan Snyder teams. Coaching makes all the difference in the world and I hope that SI, Espn and WP have chefs that can make great crow because I have a feeling they'll all be eating some pretty soon.

[GoDannyBoy]

Who the heck cares if we overpaid for assistants?

How can anyone say that we overpaid for coaches?

We have a $100 million dollars pay roll riding on about 8 -10 million in coaching salaries.

Plus a billion dollar sport empire! An extra 2 or 3 million a year to get the best talent possible is money well spent. It just shows what cheap skate NFL owners are that they don't value their coaches more!

[hueman]

How can anyone say that we overpaid for coaches?

We have a $100 million dollars pay roll riding on about 8 -10 million in coaching salaries.

Plus a billion dollar sport empire! An extra 2 or 3 million a year to get the best talent possible is money spent. It just shows what cheap skate NFL owners are that they don't value their coaches more!

not to mention our ass't coaches of off. and def. are head coach caliber, and their assistants are ass't head coach caliber, easy.

[PresidentClinton07]

Clark Judge is a football genius






April fools


HAHAHAHAH..... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I WAS ABOUT TO PERSONALLY FIND YOU AND KILL YOU . :D :D :D :D GREAT APRIL FOOLS JOKE. :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy