The "Which Moss is Better Debate"

[LiveStrongSkins]

At work everyday I am constantly arguing with this Raiders fan about which Moss is better. I am biased, and obviously so is he, so the arguments go no where. :laugh: We all know Randy Moss is gifted but last year when they demonstrated how many plays he takes off, I was convinced that I would pick Santana Moss. Also, Randy cant take the short ball to the house like Santana. All in all... too much baggage. Randy is a far better receiver when it comes to the jump ball, but Santana is more explosive and has the ability to take the 1 yard pass, 90 yards to the house. Santana will also throw a key block and return a punt when needed. Yes I'm a homer... and yes I'm taking Santana.

[CPstretch]

they are both great WRs who do very different things. randy can sprint downfield and outjump everyone for the ball, where santana can be throw that lateral and take it 78 yards to the house. its hard to say which is better since they are so much different. i'd love to have both though!

[Fifty Gut]

R. Moss admits to taking plays off...

nuff said

[darrell1106]

I'm a homer like yourself but no offense to Santana, but I'll take RANDY MOSS hands down:2cents: The guy is fast and can make you miss similar to Santana. Not as fast as Santana but close enough (w/ like 6" over Santana)!

[skinfan2k]

id take randy moss. okay he had 1 bad year. but look at the years before him. Look what he did as a rookie. Santana has had 1 great year, and he was not able to do much in NYJ

[DCsportsfan53]

R. Moss admits to taking plays off...

nuff said

Yep, exactly. All Moss is good for is go route jump balls. He doesn't even try to run a convincing route half the time, he's terrible about going over the middle and he's just got a bad attitude. Santana all the way.

[yazzmode621]

I would have to go with Taylor Jacobs. He is a beast at practice!

[skeenzfan]

Randy has had several great years while santana only had one so right now i will go with Randy moss as the better receiver.

But totally different question as to who you want on your team and no doubt that would be santana.

[TimFolk]

If Randy played his hardest he could be the best WR to ever play the game. Jerry Rice/Chris Carter has said this on numerous occasions. Santana has had one great year since he's been in the league. Randy puts up great numbers every year (this year was a fluke).

Now I love Santana (I wanted him here as a rookie out of the U and I loved the Coles trade before he was popular after week 2.), but Randy Moss is the best WR in the game.

[DCsportsfan53]

If Randy played his hardest he could be the best WR to ever play the game. Jerry Rice/Chris Carter has said this on numerous occasions. Santana has had one great year since he's been in the league. Randy puts up great numbers every year (this year was a fluke).

Now I love Santana (I wanted him here as a rookie out of the U and I loved the Coles trade before he was popular after week 2.), but Randy Moss is the best WR in the game.

So is he the best in the game or would he be if he played his hardest (which he never does)? I'm sorry, I'll take the guy who'll actually play hard every snap. Randy looks completely bored and doesn't even try unless he's running a bomb. He's lazy, won't make catches over the middle and doesn't play with heart.

You're right, if he tried his hardest, he'd be the best but he doesn't, hasn't and probably never will so he's not. There are quite a few recievers I would take before R. Moss, Santana being one of them.

[Santana_Fan]

I'll choose this way, which one I think would be a bigger threat to have, I'll say Santana.

[Santana_Fan]

Santana has had one great year since he's been in the league. Randy puts up great numbers every year (this year was a fluke).

Now I love Santana (I wanted him here as a rookie out of the U and I loved the Coles trade before he was popular after week 2.), but Randy Moss is the best WR in the game.



But you got to remember though, Santana never started in NY. Just as you said, he had one great year, and that's when he started, so just imagine if he started every year.

[Mr. S]

they have different styles, and last year proved that the Steve Smith/Santana Moss style is successful. I would still say Randy Moss is better though, he has proven more consistently, and has been able to get downfield just as well as Santana. As stated, his leaping ability is also tremendous, and his size adds an advantage.

I would still take Santana though, I dont think Randy woulda given us those MNF highlights.

[NFC Beast]

they are both very skilled WRs and you guys are lucky the jets are morons....
with that said its Randy Moss all the way. Randy is just so much morew athletic and if he was on a solid team with a good QB, he would put up record #s. he needs out of Oakland in a bad way now with Brooks their QB.

[GhostOfLamontHollinquest]

Umm, I love Santana Moss, but you gotta be fair.

Randy Moss is one of the best WRs of all time.

Santana Moss had one good year in 2003 and one great year in 2005.

[santana_4_prez]

i think we're addressing two different questions here:

1. Who is better?
At this point in their career, I would think you'd still have to give the nod to Randy.
2. Who would you rather have on your team?
Hands down Santana. Not only is one of the best in the game, but he's a team player, too. How can you not love the guy?

[matt2190]

So is he the best in the game or would he be if he played his hardest (which he never does)? I'm sorry, I'll take the guy who'll actually play hard every snap. Randy looks completely bored and doesn't even try unless he's running a bomb. He's lazy, won't make catches over the middle and doesn't play with heart.

You're right, if he tried his hardest, he'd be the best but he doesn't, hasn't and probably never will so he's not. There are quite a few recievers I would take before R. Moss, Santana being one of them.

People dont be such homers. Moss is one of the ten best receivers of all time. Moss is not in his league. There is only one that can even compare to him playing now T.O. The rest need a few more years of off the chart stats before they can be compared. Now if you don't want him because he takes plays off then thats fine. I can understand that but he is better than Santana and on the way to the Hall of fame. When someone says moss trust me they are thinking of Randy. This comes from a Giant fan who knows Randy is better than Plaxico. Try to be unbiased when posting or admit you have a bias.

[matt2190]

But you got to remember though, Santana never started in NY. Just as you said, he had one great year, and that's when he started, so just imagine if he started every year. He did start in new york. Don't speak unless you know its fact.

[TimFolk]

This isn't a fair thread because everyone loves Santana Moss ( I know I do, but not in that way dude lol). But you all know that Randy is better.

[Santana_Fan]

He did start in new york. Don't speak unless you know its fact.



I did at the end say that he didn't start "every" year. I might have said he never started, but what I meant was not every year, so chill.

[DCsportsfan53]

People dont be such homers. Moss is one of the ten best receivers of all time. Moss is not in his league. There is only one that can even compare to him playing now T.O. The rest need a few more years of off the chart stats before they can be compared. Now if you don't want him because he takes plays off then thats fine. I can understand that but he is better than Santana and on the way to the Hall of fame. When someone says moss trust me they are thinking of Randy. This comes from a Giant fan who knows Randy is better than Plaxico. Try to be unbiased when posting or admit you have a bias.

I didn't say Santana was the better WR. I said I'd rather have the team player who's going to fight his guts out on every play, doesn't complain all the time when he doesn't get the ball and will go over the middle and take a hit to make a catch. If Randy gave the effort Santana gives, he'd be the best WR to ever play the game but he doesn't. Even though Randy is probably the better WR, I'd rather have Santana because I think he's better for team chemistry and while he might not be as good as Randy, I think you're more likely to win with S Moss. Randy plays the game in a selfish way, that's why Gibbs was never interested in him. He's not a Redskin's type of player and that's why, even though Randy is a more talented WR, Santana's the one I want on my team.

[WilberMarshall]

1 good year = better than Randy Moss?

gaddem man! Stop sounding like an Iggles fan!

[Santana_Fan]

I didn't say Santana was the better WR. I said I'd rather have the team player who's going to fight his guts out on every play, doesn't complain all the time when he doesn't get the ball and will go over the middle and take a hit to make a catch. If Randy gave the effort Santana gives, he'd be the best WR to ever play the game but he doesn't. Even though Randy is probably the better WR, I'd rather have Santana because I think he's better for team chemistry and while he might not be as good as Randy, I think you're more likely to win with S Moss. Randy plays the game in a selfish way, that's why Gibbs was never interested in him. He's not a Redskin's type of player and that's why, even though Randy is a more talented WR, Santana's the one I want on my team.



I agree with everything you just said. An example of how Randy is, and plays the game in a selfish way, was the 2004 year, when we played the Vikings, and he walked off the field.

[jnhay]

Don't get me wrong, Randy Moss is a great player and comparing him to Santana when both are healthy is pretty hard, but how many times is Moss injured? If he's not off the field, he's not 100% on the field. Hopefully he can prove that he won't become injury prone.

Santana hasn't really proven himself yet. Another year like last year's will definitely prove something. However, I think Santana played just as well as Randy in his better years.

[Renegade7]

Even while playing half-ass Randy Moss is the best WR in the leauge.

[DiscoBob]

....I'm not sure who I'd rather have.....

how about a compromise....Redskins get both?

[EvilMonkeyBoy]

they are both very skilled WRs and you guys are lucky the jets are morons....
with that said its Randy Moss all the way. Randy is just so much morew athletic and if he was on a solid team with a good QB, he would put up record #s. he needs out of Oakland in a bad way now with Brooks their QB.


Off-Topic a little bit. But Brooks helped Joe Horn have some huge years. He's a huge upgrade over Collins.

[dent19]

At work everyday I am constantly arguing with this Raiders fan about which Moss is better. I am biased, and obviously so is he, so the arguments go no where. :laugh: We all know Randy Moss is gifted but last year when they demonstrated how many plays he takes off, I was convinced that I would pick Santana Moss. Also, Randy cant take the short ball to the house like Santana. All in all... too much baggage. Randy is a far better receiver when it comes to the jump ball, but Santana is more explosive and has the ability to take the 1 yard pass, 90 yards to the house. Santana will also throw a key block and return a punt when needed. Yes I'm a homer... and yes I'm taking Santana.

Randy, Randy, Randy... dont let the B&G vlind you.....

[Thirtyfive2seven]

I agree in that Randy Moss is a better receiver. He's got a lot of speed, when he wants to use it, amazing jump ball abilities, when he wants to use that, great hands with the ability to make circus catches, and he's taller. However, I wouldn't want him on my team. Santana is a TEAM player and that's more important than a guy who takes plays off.

[Laxpunk2006]

Santana Moss isn't in the same league as Randy. Randy could be a HOFer if he learns to suck up to the media instead of pissing them off all the time. Randy might take plays off and "practice when he wants to" but that doesn't mean hes bad. If the question was who would rather have, I could see some people picking Santana for his work ethic and team first attitude. But as far as talent, skill, and measurements go, it's Randy without a doubt.

He had a bad season but it wasn't completely his fault. The Raiders did not use him well and they had QB issues all season long.

[MoeRedskins]

Right now its gotta be Randy Moss. Santana is a warrior and he plays his guts out, but Randy has been one of the top 2 WRs in the league since he got here. It took a bad year with Norval at the helm for his to put up terrible numbers. hell, when Moss was hurt 2 years ago and only played half the year, he still caught I think 8 td on 50 catches. Randy may take plays off, but on the plays he does give full effort he is a touchdown threat every time.

[Fifty Gut]

Randy may be the best WR in the league, but when the game is on the line, and the team needs a big play, Randy does not instill confidence in me like Satana does

[bryceb07]

If Moss can play like he did this year then it's Santana , otherwise .. not many people's career compares to Randy. Sorry !

Still love me some Santana Clause though !

[jnhay]

they are both very skilled WRs and you guys are lucky the jets are morons....
with that said its Randy Moss all the way. Randy is just so much morew athletic and if he was on a solid team with a good QB, he would put up record #s. he needs out of Oakland in a bad way now with Brooks their QB.

Santana Moss is just as athletic as Randy.

[Who Del]

WTF? Santana Moss couldn't hold a candle to Randy Moss. What a bunch of homers.

[matt2190]

Santana Moss is just as athletic as Randy.

Another Homer. How many one hand catches does Santana make or who does he out jump?

[thelarkascend1ng]

Another Homer. How many one hand catches does Santana make or who does he out jump?


The whole question and comparison is total BS because they are two radically different players. Randy Moss has a height and leaping advantage over Santana, who seems to have the advantage in the open field that one would expect with a player with his speed and frame.

This thread inexorably invited a lot of controversy... but i'll still come out and say I'd take Santana any day over Randy simply because of his attitude and team spirit.

[cpnasty]

Randy not having a great season last year was due to the dumbaz Raiders who used him as a decoy, i would still talke him over any other WR.

[Waleo32]

Come on now are you serious. You can't compare Randy Moss to Santana! I love Santana but don't put him in Randy's level after one year now!

[revallenjr]

Randy has had unbelievable expectations coming out of a small college, and other than last year, he has never failed to produce awesome numbers. I personally would pick Marvin Harrison as the best in the business.

[No_Pressure]

Randy Moss has skills but he will never be great or win a suprebowl because of his attitude and mentality, I put him up there with all the other bad team players in the NFL, if I were building a respectable, intelligent and gifted team I would go for Santana over Randy 10 times out of 10

[Baculus]

Well, to be honest, Randy has not been Randy since 2003. In fact, that is the last time that he has had a very good season. (EDIT FOR ACCURACY); his season last year was pedistrian. So, at this time, I'd have to say Santana. That is not to say that Randy has not been great, with six consecutive good seasons. But is that enough to help you win the ultimate goal, which is the Super Bowl? Who will help you win that goal? Who brings more to the team as multifaced player, as a leader, as someone that you know will not only play hard EVERY play, but he is already thinking about the NEXT play.

I'll take Satana, for sure. Maybe Randy will bounch back, but Satana brings more to the table.

For reference Randy Moss's nfl.com stats page: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12576

[Loxley]

I think if Santana continues to play as well as he has this year, then id take him. However the other Moss at this point, despite being lazy and all the other bad points people have mentioned, has some raw natural talent that many receivers can only dream of.

[TheSchwartz]

Randy Moss's down year included 1000 yards and 8 TD.

Santana's CAREER year included 1000 yards and 9 TD. Hmmm...

Also here are some breakdowns...

Randy Moss 2003 his last year fully healthy year:
Pass Thrown Behind Line: 24 rec, 157 yards
Pass Thrown 1-10 yards: 37 rec, 344 yards, 3 TD
Pass Thrown 11-20 yards: 32 rec, 554 yards, 5 TD
Pass Thrown 21-30 yards: 3 rec, 76 yards, 1 TD
Pass Thrown 31-40 yards: 4 rec, 135 yards, 3 TD
Pass Thrown 41 or more: 6 rec, 310 yards, 4 TD

Randy Moss 2005 injury filled season:
Pass Thrown Behind Line: 1 rec, 6 yards
Pass Thrown 1-10 yards: 22 rec, 155 yards, 1 TD
Pass Thrown 11-20 yards: 22 rec, 380 yards
Pass Thrown 21-30 yards: 5 rec, 132 yards, 3 TD
Pass Thrown 31-40 yards: 1 rec, 79 yards, 0 TD
Pass Thrown 41 or more: 2 rec, 137 yards, 2 TD

Santana's career year last year:
Pass Thrown Behind Line: 17 rec, 240 yards, 2 TD
Pass Thrown 1-10 yards: 36 rec, 351 yards, 1 TD
Pass Thrown 11-20 yards: 13 rec, 237 yards
Pass Thrown 21-30 yards: 6 rec, 204 yards, 2 TD
Pass Thrown 31-40 yards: 5 rec, 197 yards, 2 TD
Pass Thrown 41 or more: 3 rec, 171 yards, 2 TD

So, Randy injured is still a damn fine WR. Not sure you can say that about Santana. If Randy is 100% he is the OBVIOUS choice. If he is dinged a little and Santana is 100% then I'd choose Santana.

Randy also has a huge advantage in the Red Zone with is height and leaping ability.

I'm picking Randy

[Califan007]

Last three seasons:

S. Moss:
203 receptions
3,426 yards
16.88 ypc
24 TDs


R. Moss:
220 receptions
3,404 yards
15.47 ypc
38 TDs

[Who Del]

Last three seasons:

S. Moss:
203 receptions
3,426 yards
16.88 ypc
24 TDs


R. Moss:
220 receptions
3,404 yards
15.47 ypc
38 TDs

I see about 14 reasons why I would still choose Randy.

[skinfan2k]

seriously stop being homers, the last 2 season randy has not been healthy, and before that produced hall of fame numbers. Santana has had 1 quality year, ok hes a team palyer. Randy is a automatic 1000 yds each year not the case with santana.

[MossFan89]

i love santana moss as u guys can see im a big fan, but Rmoss is great man serious.

so i would have 2 take randy moss

[cmorina69]

santana is better in my mind, hes younger so he still has time to show us more, and last year did you hear Randy's name at all NO. R. Moss has had better seasons, and numbers but give Santana a few years and he will be up to Randy numbers.

[TheREALJBird]

Santana had the better year and is the more dedicated player, but overall Randy is the better receiver in terms of ability

[Baculus]

Yeah, how useful is all that ability if he quits on you during a playoff game? How useful is all that ability if he is on the sidelines pointing when your team needs you? Do you see Santana pouting, or do you see him on the sidelines being an actual leader?

Guys, ability is great and Randy is great as well. But ability isn't everything I hate to say. That's why there are intangibles at work. No one doubt's Randy's physical ability; it's his mental ability that we doubt. And Santana has both.

[Burgold]

After two injury ridden years and admitted low desire and mj habits, one has to question though whether Randy will ever get it together again and be great.

[Baculus]

After two injury ridden years and admitted low desire and mj habits, one has to question though whether Randy will ever get it together again and be great.

Unfortunately, that is the story of many great players.

[Warhead36]

Randy Moss is oft-injured plus a douchebag of epic proportions.

I'll take the up and coming Santana.

[matt2190]

Randy Moss is oft-injured plus a douchebag of epic proportions.

I'll take the up and coming Santana.

Why does every homer try to read the future and say their player in a couple of years will be great when they compare them to a player who is already great. There is no guarantee that Santana will be better next season. There is no proof to even say he will perform the same as last season. Since there is only one good year he is just as likely to fail as to do well. Wait for him to have a second good year before ever saying he will be better than Randy Moss.

[APBT]

R. Moss admits to taking plays off...

nuff said

You would take plays off too, if the coach had you running streaks the whole game. :laugh:

Guys dont forget Randy is faster than Santana and can out jump him. Randy is proven and has always started because he has been doing Hall of Fame things his whole Pro career.

Santana is up and coming and has a lot to prove in the future years. Will he better in the up coming season? We will have to see. Has Moss been better than Santana's best year? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Randy is better!!!! :laugh: You guys are crazy!!!

[THEHEREAFTER]

The only way we could make this poll interesting is to ask Santana Moss vs. Jerry Rice in his prime. For the younger ES members Jerry Rice was pretty good.

[ciresolstice]

Randy Moss even taking plays off is better imo...maybe not a better guy but as far as football goes.

Santana is closing in on those elite WR's in the league though with his performance last season.

[Neerajk4]

Randy moss WAS a good reciever. He's getting old and its showing. His attitude isn't gonna help either. I don't think he'll have many good years from now, but we'll have to wait and see. so in my oppinion I think santana will be the better reciever cause he's young.

[DCMONEY]

I like Santana but Randy is on another planet.

[MustangSteve]

its hard to say which is better since they are so much different. i'd love to have both though!
You ainta kidding brotha, could you immagine Roy Williams seeing a Moss on each side the O line, I think he would call in sick :laugh:

[JoeSkins]

Randy Moss has failed to put up 1000 yards once in his career, in an injury-riddled season. When motivated, he's the best WR in the game and ranks among the best of all time (note the game he had against the Giants to close the year). When not trying he's still better than all but probably 7 or 8 receivers in the league.

I'm glad Santana had the year he did, but there's really no comparison.

[HittinSkinz]

randy moss is a better WR

[philal0102]

based on size... id pick R Moss. but speed and character... S Moss. They are both great.

[TheSchwartz]

I love the age thing people are bringing up. R. Moss isn't even 30 yet...

[chipper803]

Ok, some of the posters here are being homers, but frankly, a couple of you naysayers are kinda acting like douchebags. Randy's better production vs. Santana (which is a statistical fact) does not automatically validate your other points. For example, to say that Randy Moss is unequivocally a better athlete, is patently false.

Speed: Randy Moss is blistering fast, but he didn't run track in college, so you can't compare times. Santana set a Big East record in the 60 m. I don't know who's faster, but I'm sure you could find plenty of impartial NFL scouts to back either player.

Quickness & agility? Please, no one could make a cogent argument that Randy has Santana beat in this category--I think you'd hard-pressed to argue that Randy is even as quick or agile.

Route running: When Randy Moss "tries", he runs decent routes, but who could say that he's a legitimately excellent route runner? Conversely, most NFL analysts heap great praise on Santana Moss for his routes. The amount of separation he gets on short & intermediate routes is notable. Furthermore, both receivers played in the Big East (Randy left WVU in 1998, Santana from the U in 2001). Randy was a damn spectacle for the Mountaineers, no one denies that. But Santana was regarded as one of the hardest WR to defend that opposing coaches had ever faced, in large part due to his route running.

Vertical leap: Take a wild guess on this one. Who has the edge in ups? Randy posted an outstanding 42" at the combine. Santana? 44".

Randy Moss is 6-7" taller, and in the NFL, that's huge. Much of his success is that he has sublime athleticism for a man his size. But the term athleticism is irrespective of physical dimensions. So don't try to float this crap that Randy Moss is "in another class of athlete". That's an uneducated, foolish standpoint.

I'm not denying that Randy Moss is a more dangerous receiver, just don't come with this illogical garbage. And yes, if you'd like to rebut, please, please, please do.

[cowboyuptx]

Randy moss WAS a good reciever. He's getting old and its showing. His attitude isn't gonna help either. I don't think he'll have many good years from now, but we'll have to wait and see. so in my oppinion I think santana will be the better reciever cause he's young.

Santana Moss - D.O.B. - 06/01/1979

Randy Moss - D.O.B. - 02/13/1977

We're talking about 2 years age difference! You'd better find a better excuse for your homer perspective.

Barring injury, Randy Moss should have at least 5 very good seasons left in him (he's only 29).

In all honesty, I really dont see Santana having another season like 2005. Not that he wont be good in '06, but I'm thinking more like 1100-1200 yards at best.

There really is NO COMPARISON.

[APBT]

Ok, some of the posters here are being homers, but frankly, a couple of you naysayers are kinda acting like douchebags. Randy's better production vs. Santana (which is a statistical fact) does not automatically validate your other points. For example, to say that Randy Moss is unequivocally a better athlete, is patently false.

Speed: Randy Moss is blistering fast, but he didn't run track in college, so you can't compare times. Santana set a Big East record in the 60 m. I don't know who's faster, but I'm sure you could find plenty of impartial NFL scouts to back either player.

Quickness & agility? Please, no one could make a cogent argument that Randy has Santana beat in this category--I think you'd hard-pressed to argue that Randy is even as quick or agile.

Route running: When Randy Moss "tries", he runs decent routes, but who could say that he's a legitimately excellent route runner? Conversely, most NFL analysts heap great praise on Santana Moss for his routes. The amount of separation he gets on short & intermediate routes is notable. Furthermore, both receivers played in the Big East (Randy left WVU in 1998, Santana from the U in 2001). Randy was a damn spectacle for the Mountaineers, no one denies that. But Santana was regarded as one of the hardest WR to defend that opposing coaches had ever faced, in large part due to his route running.

Vertical leap: Take a wild guess on this one. Who has the edge in ups? Randy posted an outstanding 42" at the combine. Santana? 44".

Randy Moss is 6-7" taller, and in the NFL, that's huge. Much of his success is that he has sublime athleticism for a man his size. But the term athleticism is irrespective of physical dimensions. So don't try to float this crap that Randy Moss is "in another class of athlete". That's an uneducated, foolish standpoint.

I'm not denying that Randy Moss is a more dangerous receiver, just don't come with this illogical garbage. And yes, if you'd like to rebut, please, please, please do.

I concur.

[DCMONEY]

Ok, some of the posters here are being homers, but frankly, a couple of you naysayers are kinda acting like douchebags. Randy's better production vs. Santana (which is a statistical fact) does not automatically validate your other points. For example, to say that Randy Moss is unequivocally a better athlete, is patently false.

Speed: Randy Moss is blistering fast, but he didn't run track in college, so you can't compare times. Santana set a Big East record in the 60 m. I don't know who's faster, but I'm sure you could find plenty of impartial NFL scouts to back either player.

Quickness & agility? Please, no one could make a cogent argument that Randy has Santana beat in this category--I think you'd hard-pressed to argue that Randy is even as quick or agile.

Route running: When Randy Moss "tries", he runs decent routes, but who could say that he's a legitimately excellent route runner? Conversely, most NFL analysts heap great praise on Santana Moss for his routes. The amount of separation he gets on short & intermediate routes is notable. Furthermore, both receivers played in the Big East (Randy left WVU in 1998, Santana from the U in 2001). Randy was a damn spectacle for the Mountaineers, no one denies that. But Santana was regarded as one of the hardest WR to defend that opposing coaches had ever faced, in large part due to his route running.

Vertical leap: Take a wild guess on this one. Who has the edge in ups? Randy posted an outstanding 42" at the combine. Santana? 44".

Randy Moss is 6-7" taller, and in the NFL, that's huge. Much of his success is that he has sublime athleticism for a man his size. But the term athleticism is irrespective of physical dimensions. So don't try to float this crap that Randy Moss is "in another class of athlete". That's an uneducated, foolish standpoint.

I'm not denying that Randy Moss is a more dangerous receiver, just don't come with this illogical garbage. And yes, if you'd like to rebut, please, please, please do.

Main man Santana had a great season last season no doubt. Randy has been nicked up the last 2 seasons but I still have to give the nod to Randy Moss. I think from a talent standpoint he's 2nd to none in the NFL. You can't teach what he has.

[Abshir]

Santana Moss is a class act ..... nuff said

[rvan1]

Randy has had several great years while santana only had one so right now i will go with Randy moss as the better receiver.

But totally different question as to who you want on your team and no doubt that would be santana.

yup, completely agree with this--- after what moss has accomplished in his career, you have to put him ahead of santana... BUT... if 06 is like 05, i think the santana argument will be really strong...

[rvan1]

Ok, some of the posters here are being homers, but frankly, a couple of you naysayers are kinda acting like douchebags. Randy's better production vs. Santana (which is a statistical fact) does not automatically validate your other points. For example, to say that Randy Moss is unequivocally a better athlete, is patently false.

Speed: Randy Moss is blistering fast, but he didn't run track in college, so you can't compare times. Santana set a Big East record in the 60 m. I don't know who's faster, but I'm sure you could find plenty of impartial NFL scouts to back either player.

Quickness & agility? Please, no one could make a cogent argument that Randy has Santana beat in this category--I think you'd hard-pressed to argue that Randy is even as quick or agile.

Route running: When Randy Moss "tries", he runs decent routes, but who could say that he's a legitimately excellent route runner? Conversely, most NFL analysts heap great praise on Santana Moss for his routes. The amount of separation he gets on short & intermediate routes is notable. Furthermore, both receivers played in the Big East (Randy left WVU in 1998, Santana from the U in 2001). Randy was a damn spectacle for the Mountaineers, no one denies that. But Santana was regarded as one of the hardest WR to defend that opposing coaches had ever faced, in large part due to his route running.

Vertical leap: Take a wild guess on this one. Who has the edge in ups? Randy posted an outstanding 42" at the combine. Santana? 44".

Randy Moss is 6-7" taller, and in the NFL, that's huge. Much of his success is that he has sublime athleticism for a man his size. But the term athleticism is irrespective of physical dimensions. So don't try to float this crap that Randy Moss is "in another class of athlete". That's an uneducated, foolish standpoint.

I'm not denying that Randy Moss is a more dangerous receiver, just don't come with this illogical garbage. And yes, if you'd like to rebut, please, please, please do.

i think a big area of comparison should be adjustment to the deep ball. santana has AMAZING skills at coming down with it, but when the ball is thrown within 10 yards of randy, hes got it. additionally, how high you can jump is only relevant in regards to your height. santanas 44in vertical is amazing, but, he has to jump 2-3 inches just to match most corners standing. and as moss is 6-7" taller, that makes him an overall +4-5" over moss in terms of jump balls. In terms of speed, its a pick em. In terms of route running, the nod has to go to santana. who would you rather have? santana id say. but whos the better receiver? its hard to go against moss just because of the sheer dominance and athleticism that he brings to the table.

[chipper803]

I'm sorry, I don't see how that added or subtracted to anything I just said.

[RedskinsSuperBowl21]

Randy Moss is has consistenly put up hall of fame numbers...

...but Santana is a hard worker and would never take a play off if he was force....

i have to choose heart over hall of fame

[RedskinsFan06]

Santana has more agility but Randy is a monster so I'll take Randy Moss

[FootballGuy2677]

Whos the better Moss?

Last Season: Santana Moss
Career: Randy Moss


Who would I take? Randy moss obviously...his jumping, speed, and size abilities and gifts are amazing. Shame he has a piss poor attitude about working. Atleast it's not holding him back though.



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[LoudMouth12thMan]

I would have to go with Taylor Jacobs. He is a beast at practice!
Man you are wrong :laugh: :laugh: