CNN.com: White teens accused of brutal racist attack

[Destino]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/27/texas.attack.ap/index.html


SPRING, Texas (AP) -- Two white teenagers severely beat and sodomized a 16-year-old Hispanic boy who they believed had tried to kiss a 12-year-old white girl at a party, authorities said.

The attackers forced the boy out of the house party, beat him and sodomized him with a metal pipe, shouting epithets "associated with being Hispanic," said Lt. John Martin with the Harris County Sheriff's Department.

They then poured bleach over the boy, apparently to destroy DNA evidence and left him for dead, authorities said. He wasn't discovered until Sunday, a day after the attack.

What the hell is wrong with kids these days? I could not imagine doing that to someone even if I hated them and had some serious reason to harm them. The kid tried to "kiss" a girl and for that they brutally assualt him in one of the worst imaginable ways and leave him for dead?

Also the border states really don't need this kind of racial tension right now.

[Redskins Diehard]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/27/texas.attack.ap/index.html



What the hell is wrong with kids these days? I could not imagine doing that to someone even if I hated them and had some serious reason to harm them. The kid tried to "kiss" a gir and for that they brutally assualt him in one of the worst imaginable ways and leave him for dead?

Also the border states really don't need this kind of racial tension right now.

To answer your first question..parents these days. This is an absolutely despicable act where there is no defense.

[seanskins]

Thats unbelieveable, whoever did that should rot in prison for years where they can enjoy being sodomized daily. I have a feeling they will get their just reward, things are always bigger in Texas.

[fight_on_til_you_have_won]

Sickening. Just sickening. It made me think of Emmitt Till.

[RonBurgundy&Gold]

jesus, sodomy with a metal pipe?

[rincewind]

jesus, sod0my with a metal pipe?



Makes a lot of sense huh? You're wrong for trying to kiss a white girl, therefore we're going to sod0mize you. :doh:

[Destino]

What about the other people at the party? I have to think that if you are at a house party more then a few people saw this happen or at least saw them forcing the boy out. Assuming this is true just one of them choosing to act would have prevented a lot of pain.

[Waldo da Magnificent]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/27/texas.attack.ap/index.html



What the hell is wrong with kids these days? I could not imagine doing that to someone even if I hated them and had some serious reason to harm them. The kid tried to "kiss" a girl and for that they brutally assualt him in one of the worst imaginable ways and leave him for dead?

Also the border states really don't need this kind of racial tension right now.

It's not "these days" and is nothing new. Similar incidents happened in the '70s when I was a teen. Racists breed, just like everyone else. Some parents are Ozzie and Harriet, others are aren't. Absolutely nothing new.

[Thiebear]

What about the other people at the party? I have to think that if you are at a house party more then a few people saw this happen or at least saw them forcing the boy out. Assuming this is true just one of them choosing to act would have prevented a lot of pain.

ding ding ding.. no chance this happens if i'm there.. no chance...
bystanders are as bad a perps...

[Leonard Washington]

It's not "these days" and is nothing new. Similar incidents happened in the '70s when I was a teen. Racists breed, just like everyone else. Some parents are Ozzie and Harriet, others are aren't. Absolutely nothing new.


unfortunately :(

that poor kid is f'd up for life.

[Zguy28]

We were just talking about something similar today, sexual predators and such. My coworker asked me what I thought... I said you don't want to know what I think!

Man, this is Bad...with a capital B. These boys should be punished severly to say the least.

[Seabee1973]

Send em to prison and put them in the cell with big Bubba. Anyone know the deals of that beating in South carolina?

[herrmag]

Okay, there is so much wrong with this situation. Number one, why is a 12 year old girl at a party with 16 year olds? Number two, why is a 16 year old trying to kiss a 12 year old? Number three, why is there a Hispanic dude hanging out with a bunch or racists? Number four, why is the first thought that came to the racists' minds after getting angered "let's sodomize him"? I mean seriously. Why would you WANT to do that to someone? Literally, the act itself. Why would you want to do it? If you're angry, I could understand hitting someone, but sodomy? Why is it becoming the "crime of choice" among teens?

[Cdowwe]

Okay, there is so much wrong with this situation. Number one, why is a 12 year old girl at a party with 16 year olds? Number two, why is a 16 year old trying to kiss a 12 year old? Number three, why is there a Hispanic dude hanging out with a bunch or racists? Number four, why is the first thought that came to the racists' minds after getting angered "let's sodomize him"? I mean seriously. Why would you WANT to do that to someone? Literally, the act itself. Why would you want to do it? If you're angry, I could understand hitting someone, but sodomy? Why is it becoming the "crime of choice" among teens?


Exactly my questions. Now I know they just believe he was trying to kiss her, but lets face it. If I saw a 16 year old guy trying to kiss a 12 year girl I knew, Id probably do something about it too. However, I dont think Id go the metal pipe route. Either way, those are some f'ed up guys.

[MissU28]

Sickening. Just sickening. It made me think of Emmitt Till.


exactly what I was thinking

[twa]

Okay, there is so much wrong with this situation. Number one, why is a 12 year old girl at a party with 16 year olds? Number two, why is a 16 year old trying to kiss a 12 year old? Number three, why is there a Hispanic dude hanging out with a bunch or racists? Number four, why is the first thought that came to the racists' minds after getting angered "let's sodomize him"? I mean seriously. Why would you WANT to do that to someone? Literally, the act itself. Why would you want to do it? If you're angry, I could understand hitting someone, but sodomy? Why is it becoming the "crime of choice" among teens?


There are a lot of unanswered questions,of course thier actions(if true) are inexcusable to say the least.

There likely is much more to the story.

Added:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3824402.html
More details about the gruesome assault surfaced today as one of the suspects, David Henry Tuck, 18, appeared in court to answer a charge of aggravated sexual assault.

Although Tuck's bail originally was set at $20,000, state District Judge Michael McSpadden ordered him held without bond.

The other suspect, Keith Robert Turner, 17, also charged with aggravated sexual assault, is being held on $100,000 bond. His probable-cause hearing will be held in McSpadden's court once his case is transferred from another court.

Prosecutors revealed in court today that a third person, a juvenile, may have participated in the assault. That boy, who is believed to have had minimal involvement, is being treated only as a witness and will not be charged, prosecutors said.

[JimboDaMan]

Well, according to that link the kid will probably die, which makes those two punks murderers.

The girl was there because she lived at the house where the party took place. Not sure if it was an older sibling's party or what.

If the 16-yr-old is putting his hands on a 12-yr-old, then you show him the door and the story is over. Except if she lived there then you got no business taking care of anything, its the homeowner's responsibilty. Unless there are no adults at home, in which case NONE of these other kids should have been there. In any event, its horrible for this kid to be maimed and perhaps killed over something so stupid. You can bet these punks will be going to prison, and you can bet they will be well acquainted with all kinds of objects in their rectums for the next 20 years or so.

[scskin]

Send em to prison and put them in the cell with big Bubba. Anyone know the deals of that beating in South carolina?
If you mean the one at Myirtle Beach, I work at the school that the two alleged perpertrators attended.

[AJ_Skins]

Without in any way condoning the actions of these individuals, a 16 year old guy trying to have sex with a 12 year old girl is not any less objectionable than what they did to him. The fact this is characterized (by CNN no surprise) as "white teens accused of brutal racist attack" is a substantial misrepresentation of what apparently occurred.

[TheSteve]

Without in any way condoning the actions of these individuals, a 16 year old guy trying to have sex with a 12 year old girl is not any less objectionable than what they did to him. The fact this is characterized (by CNN no surprise) as "white teens accused of brutal racist attack" is a substantial misrepresentation of what apparently occurred.

Since when is "kissing" sex? Although I agree a sixteen year old shouldn't be anywhere near a 12 year old girl.

[rincewind]

Since when is "kissing" sex? Although I agree a sixteen year old shouldn't be anywhere near a 12 year old girl.




psstt.... http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153642 :paranoid:

[AJ_Skins]

I'm assuming that would have been his plan. The point is, to suggest that race was the primary motivation without taking into account the age of the girl is an act of willfull misrepresentation.

[fight_on_til_you_have_won]

I'm assuming that would have been his plan. The point is, to suggest that race was the primary motivation without taking into account the age of the girl is an act of willfull misrepresentation.
But the fact that they spouted anti-Hispanic crap during the attack leads me to believe that they wouldn't have handled it the same way if the kid were white. :2cents:

[AJ_Skins]

But the fact that they spouted anti-Hispanic crap during the attack leads me to believe that they wouldn't have handled it the same way if the kid were white. :2cents:

All it tells me is that they started yelling whatever insults they could think of at the guy because what he was doing had enraged them to that extent. If he was non-hispanic, maybe they would have done the same while calling him something else. Who knows.

Don't get me wrong, there is no question they should go to jail. I'm just saying the way the story is presented there seems to be dishonest.

[JimboDaMan]

All it tells me is that they started yelling whatever insults they could think of at the guy because what he was doing had enraged them to that extent. If he was non-hispanic, maybe they would have done the same while calling him something else. Who knows.

Don't get me wrong, there is no question they should go to jail. I'm just saying the way the story is presented there seems to be dishonest.Are you kidding?

You imply the kind tried to have sex with her, something you made up.

You pretend that shouting racial epithets while beating someone to death (maybe) is no indication of a racial motive - in fact, its dishonest to say so.

Since there's no mention of force at all, in NO POSSIBLE WAY what this boy did was as bad as what the punks did. If we make up a story that he did try having sex with her, that is wrong. But there's no indication he tried to force her to do anything, to equate this with a near-fatal rectal impalement with a metal pole? Have you lost your mind?

[fight_on_til_you_have_won]

All it tells me is that they started yelling whatever insults they could think of at the guy because what he was doing had enraged them to that extent. If he was non-hispanic, maybe they would have done the same while calling him something else. Who knows.
Hell, we're both speculating. May they rot in jail for a long, long time. :cheers:

[AJ_Skins]

Are you kidding?

You imply the kind tried to have sex with her, something you made up.

You pretend that shouting racial epithets while beating someone to death (maybe) is no indication of a racial motive - in fact, its dishonest to say so.

Since there's no mention of force at all, in NO POSSIBLE WAY what this boy did was as bad as what the punks did. If we make up a story that he did try having sex with her, that is wrong. But there's no indication he tried to force her to do anything, to equate this with a near-fatal rectal impalement with a metal pole? Have you lost your mind?


If he was trying to have sex with her, which is usually the plan of a guy at a party putting the moves on a girl, I would consider that child molestation. In that case, I think they deserve whatever they get. It just shouldn't be administered by private citizens.

[TheSteve]

If he was trying to have sex with her, which is usually the plan of a guy at a party putting the moves on a girl, I would consider that child molestation. In that case, I think they deserve whatever they get. It just shouldn't be administered by private citizens.

Well, sense we're speculating without any proof, let's also assume that the girl might look older than her age, and therefore the guy didn't know he was hitting on a 12 year old girl.

[chomerics]

Man, AJ you are on the wrong side of the argument, seriously the WRONG side.

Here is from twa's link. . .

"I don't mean just a little bit," Trent told McSpadden. "He kicked it in and shoved it so far in that he has caused major internal injuries and organ damage."
That was what they did to the kid with a pvc pipe up his ass, while they kicked him in the head then poured bleach on him and left him for dead in the yard for 10 hours. The kids are 17 & 18 (thank god because they will be tried as adults), but this is a extremely heinous and disturbing act, psychpathic in nature.

[twa]

In Texas they will NOT spend 20 yrs waiting if the kid dies,we have a express lane for murders. ;)

[twa]

I'm assuming that would have been his plan. The point is, to suggest that race was the primary motivation without taking into account the age of the girl is an act of willfull misrepresentation.


I will agree to that,however the crimes committed are horrible enough, whether race was a factor is immaterial .imo

[AJ_Skins]

Man, AJ you are on the wrong side of the argument, seriously the WRONG side.

Here is from twa's link. . .

That was what they did to the kid with a pvc pipe up his ass, while they kicked him in the head then poured bleach on him and left him for dead in the yard for 10 hours. The kids are 17 & 18 (thank god because they will be tried as adults), but this is a extremely heinous and disturbing act, psychpathic in nature.

Like I said, by no means do I excuse what they did. What I was pointing out is that the way the story was presented by CNN, you would think they did it because he was hispanic, when it seems clear they did it because he was attempting to molest a 12 year old girl.

[twa]

Well, after digging race is likely a factor.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/crime/stories/khou060426_cd_teenbeat.7507db10.html

Investigators said this isn't the first run in with the law for Tuck. He's on probation for a cross burning incident in Liberty County.

[Lead Blocker]

Racists breed, just like everyone else. Some parents are Ozzie and Harriet, others are aren't. Absolutely nothing new.

I have a sickening feeling you may have laid out what their defense attorney would try to claim. I can just imagine some defense attorney claiming that a jury should hold them accountable because of their upbringing, if indeed their parents held extreme views.

Not to bring up bad memories for anyone, but it wasn't that long ago that snipers terrorized the MD/DC/VA area. Once it was discovered that the shooter was the 17-year-old the immediate defense was 'upbringing' and brainwashing making the shooter the victim.

[AJ_Skins]

Well, after digging race is likely a factor.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/crime/stories/khou060426_cd_teenbeat.7507db10.html

Investigators said this isn't the first run in with the law for Tuck. He's on probation for a cross burning incident in Liberty County.

OK, nevermind... :D

I just don't trust the media.

[Lead Blocker]

What about the other people at the party?... Assuming this is true just one of them choosing to act would have prevented a lot of pain.

Good point.

I have often questioned the mob mentality. If a group of individuals are acting out of control, it becomes easier for other individuals to act aggressively as well, even if that is out of character for them.

It work the other way as well, if a group is frozen witnessing a brutal act for some reason individuals find it difficult to act at all.

Disturbing, but this phenomenon exist and it is difficult to explain it.

[twa]

OK, nevermind... :D

I just don't trust the media.


Can't blame you,I don't trust em either ;)

They cry wolf so much it is hard to tell when it is truth.

[skinz1972]

If he was trying to have sex with her, which is usually the plan of a guy at a party putting the moves on a girl, I would consider that child molestation. In that case, I think they deserve whatever they get. It just shouldn't be administered by private citizens.would u really charge a child with child molestation?:laugh:

[mboyd784]

Sociopaths use race as an excuse for their brutality...at first.

[Destino]

nm .....

[NASMTrainer]

OMG, I don't even know what to say or how to react to this. This is effed up on so many levels.

[sith lord]

It amazes me to read all the post that in a way, justifies what those two no good punks did to that kid. I don't care if they were having sex right there in the living room, THE TWO CRIMINALS WERE IN THE WRONG!!! How do we even know that he was trying to kiss the girl? The only proof of that is from the mouths of these two criminals.

[Predicto]

Well, after digging race is likely a factor.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/crime/stories/khou060426_cd_teenbeat.7507db10.html

Investigators said this isn't the first run in with the law for Tuck. He's on probation for a cross burning incident in Liberty County.


Liberty County - feels kind of ironic to me for some reason

[twa]

Liberty County - feels kind of ironic to me for some reason

Trust me Liberty county is anything but free.